From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 1 04:44:20 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA27456; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 04:44:20 -0800 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id EAA27470; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 04:43:00 -0800 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id EAA27464; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 04:42:45 -0800 Received: from deliverator.sgi.com (deliverator.sgi.com [150.166.91.37]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA26890 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 04:42:26 -0800 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by deliverator.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) id EAA20331; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 04:42:23 -0800 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA07688; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:42:15 -0500 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id HAA00427; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:42:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:42:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199604011242.HAA00427@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: sparclinux@vger.rutgers.edu CC: linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu, lmlinux@neteng.engr.sgi.com, user@host.rutgers.edu Subject: SYMMMMETRRRRIC MULTI PENGUINNNNNNN!!!!!! Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk (yeah, it runs shell and basic programs, I can telnet out etc. but it hard-locks now and then, working on it...) Any questions? And remember kids, Linux is just a "toy operating system." PROMLIB: Sun Boot Prom Version 3 Revision 2 ARCH: SUN4M TYPE: Sun4m SparcStation10 Ethernet address: 8:0:20:12:53:32 Found 4 CPU prom device tree node(s). IOMMU: impl 0 vers 1 page table at f03c0000 of size 65536 bytes sbus0: Clock 20.0 MHz dma0: Revision 2 dma1: Revision 2 cgsix0 at 0x20000000 Console: 16 point font, 864 scans Console: colour SUN 128x54, 1 virtual console (max 63) Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 115.51 BogoMIPS Memory: 175720k available (948k kernel code, 2988k data) Swansea University Computer Society NET3.033 for Linux 1.3.50 NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.12 for Linux NET3.033. Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.033 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP Linux version 1.3.77 (davem@huahaga.rutgers.edu) (gcc version 2.6.3) #15 Mon Apr 1 07:02:51 EST 1996 Entering SparclinuxMultiPenguin(SMP) Mode... Starting CPU 1 at f002a9b8 Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 115.92 BogoMIPS Starting CPU 2 at f002a9d0 Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 104.86 BogoMIPS Starting CPU 3 at f002a9e8 Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 104.86 BogoMIPS Total of 4 Penguins activated (441.14 PenguinMIPS). Sparc Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00 tty00 at 0xffede004 (irq = 44) is a Zilog8530 tty01 at 0xffede000 (irq = 44) is a Zilog8530 tty02 at 0xffedb004 (irq = 44) is a Zilog8530 tty03 at 0xffedb000 (irq = 44) is a Zilog8530 Sun TYPE 4 keyboard detected without keyclick Sun Mouse-Systems mouse driver version 1.00 esp0: IRQ 36 SCSI ID 7 Clock 20 MHz Period 99 NCR53C9x(esp236) detected scsi0 : Sparc ESP236 scsi : 1 host. Started kswapd v 1.5 Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST32430N SUN2.1G Rev: 0444 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 scsi : detected 1 SCSI disk total. SCSI Hardware sector size is 512 bytes on device sda sunlance.c:v1.5 21/Mar/96 Miguel de Icaza (miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx) eth0: LANCE 08:00:20:12:53:32 Partition check: sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 Sending BOOTP and RARP requests.....OK Root-NFS: Got RARP answer from 128.6.155.101, my address is 128.6.155.53 Root-NFS: Got file handle for /caip/u119/davem/SparcLinux/machines/jenolan via RPC VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem). # mount -n -t proc none /proc # cat /proc/cpuinfo cpu : ROSS HyperSparc RT625 fpu : ROSS HyperSparc combined IU/FPU promlib : Version 3 Revision 2 type : sun4m Elf Support : yes Cpu0Bogo : 115.50 Cpu1Bogo : 115.91 Cpu2Bogo : 104.85 Cpu3Bogo : 104.85 MMU type : ROSS HyperSparc invall : 4020 invmm : 0 invrnge : 0 invpg : 0 contexts : 4096 big_chunks : 0 little_chunks : 0 CPU0 CPU1 CPU2 CPU3 State: online online online akp Lock: 2 2 2 2 klock: ff block: 0 alock: 0 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 1 18:08:55 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA12235; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:08:54 -0800 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id SAA09424; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:08:50 -0800 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id SAA09419; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:08:47 -0800 Received: from deliverator.sgi.com (deliverator.sgi.com [150.166.91.37]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA12221 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:08:45 -0800 Received: from mike.netrom.com by deliverator.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id SAA10818; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:08:36 -0800 Received: from mike.netrom.com (john@mike.netrom.com [204.141.216.12]) by mike.netrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA05521; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:01:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:01:44 -0500 (EST) From: John Vozza To: "David S. Miller" cc: sparclinux@vger.rutgers.edu, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu, lmlinux@neteng.engr.sgi.com, user@host.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: SYMMMMETRRRRIC MULTI PENGUINNNNNNN!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <199604011242.HAA00427@huahaga.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Can you say jealous!!!! Just had to reply... plz no flames! Sure beats my 486dx100 =( On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, David S. Miller wrote: > > (yeah, it runs shell and basic programs, I can telnet out etc. > but it hard-locks now and then, working on it...) > > Any questions? And remember kids, Linux is just a "toy operating > system." > > PROMLIB: Sun Boot Prom Version 3 Revision 2 > ARCH: SUN4M > TYPE: Sun4m SparcStation10 > Ethernet address: 8:0:20:12:53:32 > Found 4 CPU prom device tree node(s). > IOMMU: impl 0 vers 1 page table at f03c0000 of size 65536 bytes > sbus0: Clock 20.0 MHz > dma0: Revision 2 > dma1: Revision 2 > cgsix0 at 0x20000000 > Console: 16 point font, 864 scans > Console: colour SUN 128x54, 1 virtual console (max 63) > Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 115.51 BogoMIPS > Memory: 175720k available (948k kernel code, 2988k data) > Swansea University Computer Society NET3.033 for Linux 1.3.50 > NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.12 for Linux NET3.033. > Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.033 > IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP > Linux version 1.3.77 (davem@huahaga.rutgers.edu) (gcc version 2.6.3) #15 Mon Apr 1 07:02:51 EST 1996 > Entering SparclinuxMultiPenguin(SMP) Mode... > Starting CPU 1 at f002a9b8 > Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 115.92 BogoMIPS > Starting CPU 2 at f002a9d0 > Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 104.86 BogoMIPS > Starting CPU 3 at f002a9e8 > Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 104.86 BogoMIPS > Total of 4 Penguins activated (441.14 PenguinMIPS). > Sparc Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00 > tty00 at 0xffede004 (irq = 44) is a Zilog8530 > tty01 at 0xffede000 (irq = 44) is a Zilog8530 > tty02 at 0xffedb004 (irq = 44) is a Zilog8530 > tty03 at 0xffedb000 (irq = 44) is a Zilog8530 > Sun TYPE 4 keyboard detected without keyclick > Sun Mouse-Systems mouse driver version 1.00 > esp0: IRQ 36 SCSI ID 7 Clock 20 MHz Period 99 NCR53C9x(esp236) detected > scsi0 : Sparc ESP236 > scsi : 1 host. > Started kswapd v 1.5 > Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST32430N SUN2.1G Rev: 0444 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > scsi : detected 1 SCSI disk total. > SCSI Hardware sector size is 512 bytes on device sda > sunlance.c:v1.5 21/Mar/96 Miguel de Icaza (miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx) > eth0: LANCE 08:00:20:12:53:32 > Partition check: > sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 > Sending BOOTP and RARP requests.....OK > Root-NFS: Got RARP answer from 128.6.155.101, my address is 128.6.155.53 > Root-NFS: Got file handle for /caip/u119/davem/SparcLinux/machines/jenolan via RPC > VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem). > # mount -n -t proc none /proc > # cat /proc/cpuinfo > cpu : ROSS HyperSparc RT625 > fpu : ROSS HyperSparc combined IU/FPU > promlib : Version 3 Revision 2 > type : sun4m > Elf Support : yes > Cpu0Bogo : 115.50 > Cpu1Bogo : 115.91 > Cpu2Bogo : 104.85 > Cpu3Bogo : 104.85 > MMU type : ROSS HyperSparc > invall : 4020 > invmm : 0 > invrnge : 0 > invpg : 0 > contexts : 4096 > big_chunks : 0 > little_chunks : 0 > CPU0 CPU1 CPU2 CPU3 > State: online online online akp > Lock: 2 2 2 2 > > klock: ff > block: 0 > alock: 0 > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Apr 6 21:36:38 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA24789; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:36:38 -0800 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id VAA22757; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:36:29 -0800 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id VAA22752; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:36:27 -0800 Received: from deliverator.sgi.com (deliverator.sgi.com [150.166.91.37]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA24779 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:36:26 -0800 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by deliverator.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) id VAA14783; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:36:23 -0800 Received: from caip.rutgers.edu (caip.rutgers.edu [128.6.19.83]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA22276; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:36:21 -0500 Received: (davem@localhost) by caip.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id AAA13292; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:36:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:36:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199604070536.AAA13292@caip.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: sparclinux@vger.rutgers.edu CC: lmlinux@neteng.engr.sgi.com, user@host.rutgers.edu Subject: ho hum... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Can your multi-national, client server, multi-threaded, customer ready bloat OS with enhanced interoperability do this? ? ps -auxwww | grep crashme davem 5869 0.0 0.0 148 68 p4 S 05:02 0:00 ./crashme +2000.80 666 100 1:10:30 2 davem 5885 10.0 0.0 152 76 p4 R 05:02 2:47 ./crashme +2000.80 681 100 16 2 subprocess davem 5888 0.0 0.0 148 68 p4 S 05:02 0:00 ./crashme +2000 666 100 1:10:30 2 davem 5915 9.6 0.1 348 268 p4 R 05:03 2:39 ./crashme +2000 686 100 21 2 subprocess davem 5997 7.8 0.0 232 152 p4 R 05:06 1:55 ./crashme +2000 721 100 56 2 subprocess davem 6041 7.0 0.1 348 268 p4 R 05:07 1:36 ./crashme +2000 741 100 76 2 subprocess davem 6062 6.3 0.1 348 268 p4 R 05:08 1:25 ./crashme +2000 750 100 85 2 subprocess davem 6082 6.0 0.0 176 96 p4 R 05:09 1:17 ./crashme +2000 759 100 94 2 subprocess davem 6116 5.4 0.1 256 176 p4 R 05:10 1:05 ./crashme +2000 775 100 110 2 subprocess davem 6130 5.1 0.0 160 84 p4 R 05:11 1:00 ./crashme +2000.80 782 100 117 2 subprocess davem 6137 5.1 0.1 252 176 p4 R 05:11 0:59 ./crashme +2000 784 100 119 2 subprocess davem 6140 5.2 0.1 284 204 p4 R 05:11 1:00 ./crashme +2000 785 100 120 2 subprocess davem 6161 5.0 0.0 196 116 p4 R 05:12 0:56 ./crashme +2000 792 100 127 2 subprocess davem 6276 4.5 0.0 220 144 p4 R 05:15 0:41 ./crashme +2000 833 100 168 2 subprocess davem 6288 4.5 0.0 156 80 p4 R 05:15 0:40 ./crashme +2000.80 839 100 174 2 subprocess davem 6298 4.3 0.0 156 80 p4 R 05:16 0:37 ./crashme +2000.80 844 100 179 2 subprocess davem 6343 4.2 0.0 160 84 p4 R 05:17 0:32 ./crashme +2000.80 860 100 195 2 subprocess davem 6370 4.1 0.0 152 76 p4 R 05:18 0:29 ./crashme +2000.80 871 100 206 2 subprocess davem 6372 4.1 0.1 312 236 p4 R 05:18 0:30 ./crashme +2000 871 100 206 2 subprocess davem 6389 4.0 0.0 160 84 p4 R 05:19 0:27 ./crashme +2000.80 880 100 215 2 subprocess davem 6406 4.0 0.1 256 176 p4 R 05:19 0:26 ./crashme +2000 887 100 222 2 subprocess davem 6481 3.8 0.1 2248 260 p4 R 05:22 0:18 ./crashme +2000 920 100 255 2 subprocess davem 6487 3.8 0.0 228 152 p4 R 05:22 0:17 ./crashme +2000 923 100 258 2 subprocess davem 6519 3.7 0.0 208 128 p4 R 05:24 0:14 ./crashme +2000 939 100 274 2 subprocess davem 6520 3.7 0.0 156 76 p4 R 05:24 0:14 ./crashme +2000.80 940 100 275 2 subprocess davem 6525 3.7 0.1 348 268 p4 R 05:24 0:13 ./crashme +2000 942 100 277 2 subprocess davem 6633 4.1 0.0 232 152 p4 R 05:28 0:05 ./crashme +2000 992 100 327 2 subprocess davem 6646 4.3 0.0 156 76 p4 R 05:29 0:03 ./crashme +2000.80 999 100 334 2 subprocess davem 6661 5.0 0.1 348 268 p4 R 05:29 0:02 ./crashme +2000 1006 100 341 2 subprocess davem 6679 18.8 0.1 332 256 p4 R 05:30 0:01 ./crashme +2000 1015 100 350 2 subprocess davem 6684 0.0 0.1 604 200 p4 S 05:30 0:00 grep crashme ? uname -a Linux huahaga 1.3.83 #5 Sat Apr 6 21:46:09 EST 1996 sparc ? cat /proc/meminfo Mem: 179937280 175955968 3981312 11505664 66658304 93188096 Swap: 67088384 16384 67072000 MemTotal: 175720 kB MemFree: 3888 kB MemShared: 11236 kB Buffers: 65096 kB Cached: 91004 kB SwapTotal: 65516 kB SwapFree: 65500 kB cpuinfo ? cat /proc/cpuinfo cpu : ROSS HyperSparc RT625 fpu : ROSS HyperSparc combined IU/FPU promlib : Version 3 Revision 2 type : sun4m Elf Support : yes BogoMips : 115.91 MMU type : ROSS HyperSparc invall : 197856 invmm : 17135 invrnge : 338517 invpg : 12818739 contexts : 4096 big_chunks : 0 little_chunks : 0 ? uptime 5:34am up 1:54, 3 users, load average: 30.60, 27.64, 19.27 ? I didn't think so... but I get a few of these every once in a while: <4>WARNING: FPU exception from kernel mode. at pc=f00116cc <4> \|/ ____ \|/ <4> "@'/ ,. \`@" <4> /_| \__/ |_\ <4> \__U_/ <4>crashme(6723): Too many Penguin-FPU traps from kernel mode <4>PSR: 1e8010c2 PC: f00116d0 NPC: f00116d4 Y: 9e63031f <4>%g0: f0bc8000 %g1: ffffffef %g2: 00000020 %g3: 000221c4 <4>%g4: f0bc8000 %g5: 00000000 %g6: 00000000 %g7: 00001100 <4>%o0: f0c0f460 %o1: f0c0f560 %o2: f0c0f568 %o3: f0c0f564 <4>%o4: f00fec00 %o5: 0000000f %sp: f0daff08 %ret_pc: f0012a90 <4>Instruction DUMP: It doesn't stop the machine, it's just annoying. But I'll fix that. Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 15 17:02:18 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA19263; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:02:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id RAA29502; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:02:13 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id RAA29493; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:02:12 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA19258 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:02:11 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id RAA29487; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:02:10 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) for id RAA07450; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:02:09 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA01922; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 20:02:04 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id UAA19157; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 20:02:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 20:02:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199604160002.UAA19157@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: lmlinux@neteng.engr.sgi.com CC: torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi Subject: HyperSparc UP numbers Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk The MMap lat. looks bogus but the rest is ok. Larry, if you make another set of results publicly available on your web page for the next release like you do now I'd like this to be in there if thats ok. L M B E N C H 1 . 0 S U M M A R Y ------------------------------------ Processor, Processes - times in microseconds -------------------------------------------- Host OS Mhz Null Null Simple /bin/sh Mmap 2-proc 8-proc Syscall Process Process Process lat ctxsw ctxsw --------- ------------- ---- ------- ------- ------- ------- ---- ------ ------ huahaga Linux 1.3.83 118 3 12.8K 36.4K 52K 1060 25 43 *Local* Communication latencies in microseconds ----------------------------------------------- Host OS Pipe UDP RPC/ TCP RPC/ UDP TCP --------- ------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- huahaga Linux 1.3.83 75 188 628 404 916 *Local* Communication bandwidths in megabytes/second ---------------------------------------------------- Host OS Pipe TCP File Mmap Bcopy Bcopy Mem Mem reread reread (libc) (hand) read write --------- ------------- ---- ---- ------ ------ ------ ------ ---- ----- huahaga Linux 1.3.83 54 9.7 36.4 30.8 21 22 49 37 Memory latencies in nanoseconds (WARNING - may not be correct, check graphs) -------------------------------------------- Host OS Mhz L1 $ L2 $ Main mem TLB Guesses --------- ------------- --- ---- ---- -------- --- ------- huahaga Linux 1.3.83 118 11 11 511 0 No L1 cache? From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 17 15:05:17 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA02166; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:05:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id PAA23029; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:05:13 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id PAA23020; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:05:11 -0700 Received: (from lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA02162 for lmlinux@neteng; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:05:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:05:11 -0700 From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Message-Id: <199604172205.PAA02162@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: lmlinux@neteng.engr.sgi.com Subject: (fwd) USELINUX: Linux Applications Development and Deployment Conference Newsgroups: comp.os.research Reply-To: lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Path: fido.asd.sgi.com!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!osr From: toni@usenix.org (Toni Veglia) Newsgroups: comp.os.research Subject: USELINUX: Linux Applications Development and Deployment Conference Date: 17 Apr 1996 04:07:09 GMT Organization: USENIX Association Lines: 236 Approved: comp-os-research@ftp.cse.ucsc.edu Message-ID: <4l1qpd$ivd@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.cse.ucsc.edu Originator: osr@cse.ucsc.edu USELINUX: Linux Applications Development and Deployment Conference Co-located with the USENIX Annual Technical Conference Co-sponsored by Linux International and the USENIX Association January 6-10, 1997 - Anaheim Marriott Hotel, Anaheim, California Tutorials: January 6-7, 1997 Technical Sessions: January 8-9, 1997 Business Sessions: January 10, 1997 Keynote: Wednesday, January 8, 1997 Birds-of-a-Feather Sessions: January 7-9, 1997 Vendor Exhibits: January 8-9, 1997 Reception: January 8, 1997 Conference Chair Michael K. Johnson, Linux Journal TECHNICAL TRACK COMMITTEE: Michael K. Johnson, Chair, Linux Journal Mark Bolzern, WorkGroup Solutions Alan Cox, 3Com Remote Access Products Jon `maddog' Hall, Esq., Digital Equipment Corporation Lorrie LeJeune, O'Reilly and Associates Dr. Tom Miller, North Carolina State University Erik Troan, Red Hat Software Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center BUSINESS TRACK COMMITTEE: Jon `maddog' Hall, Esq., Chair, Digital Equipment Corporation Jonathan Eunice, President, Founder, Research Director of lluminata, Inc. Michael K. Johnson, Editor, Linux Journal Lorrie LeJeune, Product Manager of Internet and Linux, O'Reilly and Assoc. Bryan Sparks, President , Caldera, Inc. Paul Winbauer, Director of Technical Programs, Avnet Computing Bob Young, President, Red Hat Software, Inc. Suggestions for Topics: June 1, 1996 Submissions Due : Date: July 1, 1996 Materials Due Date: November 13, 1996 OVERVIEW: The Linux Applications Development and Deployment Conference (USELINUX) is aimed at three primary audiences: application developers porting or developing Linux applications, systems administrators charged with maintaining Linux systems, and business people who wish to bring Linux applications to market. Two technical tracks on January 8th and 9th will include separate components for developers and systems administrators. A business track devoted to explaining the dynamics of the Linux marketplace and how to partake of it will take place on January 10. In addition to the three days of presentations and discussions, there will be two days of tutorials, Birds-of-a-Feather sessions, and Vendor Exhibits. TUTORIALS--Monday and Tuesday, January 6-7, 1997 We are actively seeking proposals for half or full day tutorials on practical, technical aspects of using Linux. If you would like to present a tutorial, please contact the USENIX tutorial co-ordinator, Daniel V. Klein. Phone: 412.421.0285 Fax: 412.421.2332 Email: TECHNICAL TRACK TOPICS - Wednesday and Thursday, January 8-9, 1997 The technical track will have three components: - an application developers component focusing on topics helpful in porting and developing Linux applications. These include things like APIs, including both Linux's levels of compliance with industry standard APIs and Linux-specific APIs, and capabilities that give extra functionality and/or convenience. - a system administrators component to help sysadmins apply their skills to Linux administration, and also demonstrate some of the unique and useful features that can make their lives easier. - a component for enthusiasts involved in developing the Linux operating system and environment. BUSINESS TRACK TOPICS - Friday, January 10, 1997 The business track program will focus on obstacles and challenges in integrating Linux into a business. The target audience are software application developers, hardware vendors, service providers, large in-house application developers, and others who would like to know how to make their business more successful using Linux. This track will concentrate on business issues such as: --The Linux Market: Who, What, Where, When and Why? --Application Portfolios: What is available, what can be done? --Marketing to the Linux Marketplace --Channels: Retail, Resellers, Distributors, Integrators, OEMs, Service --Licenses and Licensing: I don't want to give away my application!!! In addition to the meetings, there will be a compendium of information on CD-ROM for conference attendees. This will include copies of the slides, pointers to resources, white papers, lists of current resellers, user groups, etc. HOW TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL Suggestions for additional topics and areas where the topics can be expanded are welcome by June 1, 1996. The program committee will then prioritize the topics and create the final list of topics by July 1st. The program committee will solicit volunteers to work on the program, and will balance volunteers with program needs by that time. An expanded electronic version of this announcement with greater detail, as well as the Call for Papers for the USENIX Annual Technical Conference, is available at the USENIX Web site: http://www.usenix.org. Proposals for invited talks and panels should be received by July 1, 1996. We welcome submissions of a full paper or an extended abstract. Panel proposals should contain a list of names of potential panelists. Please send submissions to the conference program chairs via one of the following methods. All submissions will be acknowledged. Please send comments, suggestions, and volunteering of time for a particular area of expertise (including a small bio of your experience) to the conference program chair via one of the following methods. Email is greatly preferred. PREFERRED METHOD If you are submitting an idea for the technical track, send email to: . For the business program, send your ideas via email to with the subject line: MADDOG, ANOTHER GREAT IDEA FOR THE *FABULOUS* USELINUX BUSINESS TRACK ALTERNATE METHOD: Via postal address or fax to: Michael Johnson or Jon "maddog" Hall, Esq. USENIX Association 2560 Ninth Street, Suite 215 Berkeley CA 94710 Fax: 510-548-5738 VENDOR EXHIBITS Vendors will demonstrate their products in a relaxed environment where attendees can discuss product features and services. Vendors are invited to participate in the Vendor Exhibits. This is an excellent opportunity to receive feedback from our technically astute audience. If your company would like to display its products or services, please contact Cynthia Deno: Phone: 408-335-9445 Email: BIRDS-OF-A-FEATHER SESSIONS (BOFs) BOFs are very informal, attendee-organized sessions held in the evenings by attendees interested in a particular topic. They may be scheduled on-site or in advance by contacting the USENIX Conference Office. Send email to or phone 714-588-8649. ABOUT THE USENIX ASSOCIATION USENIX is the UNIX and Advanced Computing Systems Technical and Professional Association. Since 1975 the USENIX Association has brought together the community of engineers, system administrators, scientists, and technicians working on the cutting edge of the computing world. The USENIX Conferences have become the essential meeting grounds for the presentation and discussion of the most advanced information on new developments in all aspects of advanced computing systems. The USENIX Association and its members are dedicated to: --problem-solving with a practical bias, --fostering innovation and research that works, --communicating rapidly the results of both research and innovation, --providing a neutral forum for the exercise of critical thought and the airing of technical issues. SAGE, a Special Technical Group within the USENIX Association, is dedicated to the recognition and advancement of system administration as a profession. To join SAGE, you must be a member of USENIX. ABOUT LINUX INTERNATIONAL Linux International (LI) is a new organization dedicated to promoting the development and use of the Linux operating system worldwide. LI promotes Linux in various ways: * LI has established a "Development Grant Fund" which is used to help Linux developers afford hardware and software that they need to continue development. The money in the fund is primarily given by Linux users eager to contribute to Linux development. * LI facilitates Linux activities at conferences and trade shows. * LI's Vendor Assistance Program offers vendors various kinds of assistance in porting their products to Linux. * LI's Linux Promotion Project disseminates promotional materials, including press releases, all over the world. What's the point of a world-class operating system if people don't know it exists? See the LI home page at http://www.li.org/linux-int/" or send email to for more information. REGISTRATION INFORMATION The complete program will be available in September 1996. To receive a registration package, please contact: USENIX Conference Office 22672 Lambert Street, Suite 215 Lake Forest, CA 92630 Phone: 714.588.5738 Fax: 714.588.9706 URL: http://www.usenix.org Email: conference@usenix.org Or you can send email to our mailserver at . Your message should contain the line: "send linux conferences" and the program will be sent to you. -- --- Larry McVoy lm@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/lm (415) 933-1804 Copyright 1996, all rights reserved. Microsoft Network is prohibited from redistributing this work in any form, in whole or in part without license. License to distribute this work is available to Microsoft at $500. Transmission without permission constitutes an agreement to these terms. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 18 00:29:12 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA06240; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:29:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id AAA15418; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:29:07 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id AAA15413; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:29:05 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA06237 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:29:04 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id AAA15405; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:29:03 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) for id AAA13189; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:29:02 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA19030; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:28:57 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id DAA00404; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:28:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:28:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199604180728.DAA00404@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: sparclinux@vger.rutgers.edu CC: lmlinux@neteng.engr.sgi.com, alan@cymru.net Subject: SMP wheee... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk SparcLinuxMP just built itself on two processors without a hitch over nfsroot! YIEEE!!! Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 18 03:03:45 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA06462; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:03:45 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id DAA26426; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:03:40 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id DAA26410; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:03:37 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA06459 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:03:36 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id DAA26404; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:03:35 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id DAA22557; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:03:32 -0700 Received: from caip.rutgers.edu (caip.rutgers.edu [128.6.19.83]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA24871; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 06:03:26 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by caip.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id GAA20599; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 06:03:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 06:03:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199604181003.GAA20599@caip.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: sparclinux@vger.rutgers.edu CC: linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, lmlinux@neteng.engr.sgi.com, user@host.rutgers.edu Subject: SMP, yeah it works dude... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk make -j vmlinux in 3 minutes 45 seconds, second time was a little faster because it was all in the cache... and... of course ? ps -auxwww USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND davem 41 0.0 0.2 588 436 1 S 08:52 0:01 -bash davem 1689 0.0 0.0 112 100 1 S 09:08 0:00 sh /usr/local/X11R5/bin/startx davem 1690 0.0 0.2 1140 452 1 S 09:08 0:00 xinit /usr/home/davem/.xinitrc -- davem 1691 1.7 0.8 3760 1476 1 S 09:08 0:56 X :0 davem 1692 0.1 0.4 1292 736 1 S 09:08 0:03 fvwm davem 1714 0.0 0.2 1092 520 1 S 09:08 0:00 /usr/local/X11R5/lib/X11/fvwm/FvwmPager 7 4 /usr/home/davem/.fvwmrc 0 8 0 3 davem 2061 0.0 0.2 596 464 p3 S 09:11 0:01 -bash davem 4336 0.0 0.2 600 468 p0 S 09:50 0:00 -bash davem 4361 0.1 0.0 148 68 p0 S 09:53 0:00 ./crashme +2000 666 100 1:10:30 2 davem 4383 74.4 0.1 348 268 p0 R 09:53 6:12 ./crashme +2000 686 100 21 2 subprocess davem 4430 59.8 0.0 228 148 p0 R 09:56 3:15 ./crashme +2000 721 100 56 2 subprocess davem 4468 43.6 0.0 252 172 p0 R 09:58 1:39 ./crashme +2000 741 100 76 2 subprocess davem 4478 38.1 0.1 344 264 p0 R 09:59 1:09 ./crashme +2000 750 100 85 2 subprocess davem 4488 34.8 0.0 176 96 p0 R 09:59 0:47 ./crashme +2000 759 100 94 2 subprocess davem 4507 31.6 0.0 252 172 p0 R 10:01 0:17 ./crashme +2000 775 100 110 2 subprocess davem 4515 0.2 0.2 696 392 p3 S 10:01 0:00 telnet caip davem 4520 2.0 0.2 588 436 p1 S 10:02 0:00 -bash davem 4526 29.3 0.1 252 176 p0 R 10:02 0:02 ./crashme +2000 784 100 119 2 subprocess davem 4537 0.0 0.0 232 156 p1 R 10:02 0:00 ps -auxwww root 1 0.3 0.0 188 144 ? S 08:51 0:14 init [2] root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:51 0:00 (kflushd) root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW< 08:51 0:00 (kswapd) root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 11 0.2 0.0 116 44 ? S 08:52 0:09 update (bdfluHOME=/ root 27 0.0 0.1 628 268 ? S 08:52 0:00 /usr/etc/inetd root 29 0.0 0.1 636 248 ? S 08:52 0:00 /usr/etc/portmap root 42 0.0 0.0 152 100 2 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty2 root 43 0.0 0.0 152 100 3 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty3 root 44 0.0 0.0 152 100 4 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty4 root 45 0.0 0.0 152 100 5 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty5 root 46 0.0 0.0 152 100 6 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty6 root 2060 0.0 0.6 1996 1220 1 S 09:11 0:01 xterm root 4335 0.0 0.6 1980 1180 1 S 09:50 0:00 xterm root 4519 2.4 0.6 1980 1180 1 S 10:02 0:00 xterm ? uname -a Linux huahaga 1.3.90 #10 Thu Apr 18 04:44:32 EDT 1996 sparc ? cat /proc/cpuinfo cpu : ROSS HyperSparc RT625 fpu : ROSS HyperSparc combined IU/FPU promlib : Version 3 Revision 2 type : sun4m Elf Support : yes Cpu0Bogo : 116.73 Cpu1Bogo : 116.73 Cpu2Bogo : 0.00 Cpu3Bogo : 0.00 MMU type : ROSS HyperSparc invall : 102 invmm : 10509 invrnge : 155469 invpg : 2305064 contexts : 4096 big_chunks : 0 little_chunks : 0 CPU0 CPU1 CPU2 CPU3 State: online akp offline offline Lock: 00000002 00000002 00000000 00000000 klock: ff block: 0 alock: 0 ? uptime 10:04am up 1:12, 2 users, load average: 7.39, 5.20, 3.63 ? It keeps going and going and going.... Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 18 03:23:32 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA06499; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:23:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id DAA27721; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:23:26 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id DAA27716; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:23:25 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA06496 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:23:24 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id DAA27711; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:23:23 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) for id DAA23687; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:23:21 -0700 Received: from caip.rutgers.edu (caip.rutgers.edu [128.6.19.83]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA25790; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 06:23:18 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by caip.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id GAA21132; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 06:23:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 06:23:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199604181023.GAA21132@caip.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: sparclinux@vger.rutgers.edu CC: linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu, lmlinux@neteng.engr.sgi.com Subject: this is sooo much fun... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND davem 41 0.0 0.2 588 436 1 S 08:52 0:01 -bash davem 1689 0.0 0.0 112 100 1 S 09:08 0:00 sh /usr/local/X11R5/bin/startx davem 1690 0.0 0.2 1140 452 1 S 09:08 0:00 xinit /usr/home/davem/.xinitrc -- davem 1691 1.6 0.8 3796 1516 1 S 09:08 1:19 X :0 davem 1692 0.0 0.4 1296 744 1 S 09:08 0:04 fvwm davem 1714 0.0 0.2 1092 520 1 S 09:08 0:00 /usr/local/X11R5/lib/X11/fvwm/FvwmPager 7 4 /usr/home/davem/.fvwmrc 0 8 0 3 davem 2061 0.0 0.2 596 464 p3 S 09:11 0:01 -bash davem 4336 0.0 0.2 600 468 p0 S 09:50 0:00 -bash davem 4361 0.0 0.0 148 68 p0 S 09:53 0:01 ./crashme +2000 666 100 1:10:30 2 davem 4383 30.6 0.1 348 268 p0 R 09:53 10:36 ./crashme +2000 686 100 21 2 subprocess davem 4430 24.0 0.0 228 148 p0 R 09:56 7:38 ./crashme +2000 721 100 56 2 subprocess davem 4468 20.0 0.0 252 172 p0 R 09:58 6:01 ./crashme +2000 741 100 76 2 subprocess davem 4478 18.9 0.1 344 264 p0 R 09:59 5:32 ./crashme +2000 750 100 85 2 subprocess davem 4488 18.1 0.0 176 96 p0 R 09:59 5:09 ./crashme +2000 759 100 94 2 subprocess davem 4507 17.1 0.0 252 172 p0 R 10:01 4:38 ./crashme +2000 775 100 110 2 subprocess davem 4515 0.1 0.2 696 392 p3 S 10:01 0:02 telnet caip davem 4520 0.0 0.2 588 464 p1 S 10:02 0:00 -bash davem 4526 16.6 0.1 252 176 p0 R 10:02 4:23 ./crashme +2000 784 100 119 2 subprocess davem 4589 14.6 0.0 216 140 p0 R 10:06 3:15 ./crashme +2000 833 100 168 2 subprocess davem 4628 12.9 0.1 312 236 p0 R 10:09 2:28 ./crashme +2000 871 100 206 2 subprocess davem 4661 12.3 0.1 256 176 p0 R 10:10 2:11 ./crashme +2000 887 100 222 2 subprocess davem 4736 11.1 0.1 2260 264 p0 R 10:13 1:40 ./crashme +2000 920 100 255 2 subprocess davem 4756 11.0 0.0 228 152 p0 R 10:13 1:37 ./crashme +2000 923 100 258 2 subprocess davem 4815 0.0 0.2 592 444 p2 S 10:14 0:00 -bash davem 4830 2.1 0.6 1872 1188 p2 R 10:14 0:17 xgas davem 4845 10.6 0.0 208 128 p0 R 10:15 1:25 ./crashme +2000 939 100 274 2 subprocess davem 4851 10.5 0.1 348 268 p0 R 10:15 1:22 ./crashme +2000 942 100 277 2 subprocess davem 4852 1.4 0.2 1064 456 p2 S 10:15 0:11 xswarm davem 4896 0.1 0.2 588 448 p4 S 10:16 0:00 -bash davem 4990 9.5 0.0 228 148 p0 R 10:19 0:51 ./crashme +2000 992 100 327 2 subprocess davem 5024 9.2 0.1 348 268 p0 R 10:20 0:43 ./crashme +2000 1006 100 341 2 subprocess davem 5058 9.0 0.1 332 256 p0 R 10:21 0:37 ./crashme +2000 1015 100 350 2 subprocess davem 5143 8.4 0.0 204 124 p0 R 10:23 0:27 ./crashme +2000 1035 100 370 2 subprocess davem 5150 8.4 0.1 340 264 p0 R 10:23 0:26 ./crashme +2000 1037 100 372 2 subprocess davem 5207 0.1 0.2 584 444 p5 S 10:24 0:00 -bash davem 5226 7.2 0.1 320 272 p5 R 10:24 0:16 top davem 5297 7.1 0.0 192 116 p0 R 10:26 0:09 ./crashme +2000 1072 100 407 2 subprocess davem 5473 0.0 0.0 248 172 p4 R 10:28 0:00 ps -auxwww davem 5475 99.9 0.1 264 184 p0 R 10:28 0:00 ./crashme +2000 1100 100 435 2 subprocess root 1 0.2 0.0 188 144 ? S 08:51 0:14 init [2] root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:51 0:00 (kflushd) root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW< 08:51 0:00 (kswapd) root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 11 0.1 0.0 116 44 ? S 08:52 0:10 update (bdfluHOME=/ root 27 0.0 0.1 628 268 ? S 08:52 0:00 /usr/etc/inetd root 29 0.0 0.1 636 248 ? S 08:52 0:00 /usr/etc/portmap root 42 0.0 0.0 152 100 2 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty2 root 43 0.0 0.0 152 100 3 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty3 root 44 0.0 0.0 152 100 4 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty4 root 45 0.0 0.0 152 100 5 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty5 root 46 0.0 0.0 152 100 6 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty6 root 2060 0.0 0.6 1996 1220 1 S 09:11 0:03 xterm root 4335 0.0 0.6 1980 1180 1 S 09:50 0:00 xterm root 4519 0.0 0.6 1980 1204 1 S 10:02 0:01 xterm root 4644 0.0 0.2 592 460 p1 S 10:10 0:00 /bin/bash root 4814 0.0 0.6 1960 1164 1 S 10:14 0:00 xterm root 4894 0.1 0.6 1960 1164 1 S 10:16 0:01 xterm root 5205 0.3 0.2 668 364 ? S 10:24 0:00 /usr/etc/in.telnetd root 5272 0.1 0.2 596 444 p4 T 10:25 0:00 /bin/bash root 5341 1.6 0.3 912 580 p1 S 10:27 0:01 make -j root 5349 0.0 0.1 556 304 p1 S 10:27 0:00 /bin/bash -c set -e; for i in kernel drivers mm fs net ipc lib arch/sparc/kernel arch/sparc/lib arch/sparc/mm arch/sparc/prom; do make -C $i; done root 5351 0.4 0.3 864 540 p1 S 10:27 0:00 make -C kernel root 5365 1.9 0.3 964 636 p1 S 10:27 0:01 make all_targets root 5376 0.3 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:27 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o init/main.o init/main.c root 5381 0.2 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:27 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -fno-omit-frame-pointer -c sched.c root 5382 5.1 2.0 4112 3664 p1 R 10:27 0:02 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase main.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5383 0.1 0.3 1132 552 p1 S 10:27 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o init/main.o root 5392 1.3 0.4 1288 856 p1 S 10:27 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5393 5.2 2.0 4128 3664 p1 R 10:27 0:02 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase sched.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -fno-omit-frame-pointer -o - root 5394 0.2 0.3 1132 560 p1 S 10:27 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o sched.o root 5397 0.2 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:27 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o sys.o sys.c root 5407 0.2 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:27 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o exit.o exit.c root 5417 1.4 0.5 1420 896 p1 S 10:27 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5422 5.2 1.9 3920 3436 p1 R 10:27 0:02 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase sys.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5423 0.3 0.3 1132 552 p1 S 10:27 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o sys.o root 5429 5.6 1.9 3824 3372 p1 R 10:27 0:02 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase exit.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5430 0.4 0.3 1132 556 p1 S 10:27 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o exit.o root 5451 0.3 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:27 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o fork.o fork.c root 5457 0.3 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:27 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o sysctl.o sysctl.c root 5459 5.6 2.0 4168 3668 p1 R 10:27 0:02 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase fork.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5461 0.1 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:27 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o fork.o root 5462 1.6 0.4 1356 876 p1 S 10:27 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5463 5.3 1.9 3912 3432 p1 R 10:27 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase sysctl.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5464 0.3 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:27 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o sysctl.o From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 18 03:26:48 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA06508; 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Thu, 18 Apr 1996 06:26:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 06:26:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199604181026.GAA21229@caip.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: sparclinux@vger.rutgers.edu CC: lmlinux@neteng.engr.sgi.com Subject: you guys really have to try this sometime... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk YOWW! Am I MULTI-PENGUIN yet!!!??? USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND davem 41 0.0 0.2 588 436 1 S 08:52 0:01 -bash davem 1689 0.0 0.0 112 100 1 S 09:08 0:00 sh /usr/local/X11R5/bin/startx davem 1690 0.0 0.2 1140 452 1 S 09:08 0:00 xinit /usr/home/davem/.xinitrc -- davem 1691 1.6 0.8 3796 1516 1 S 09:08 1:23 X :0 davem 1692 0.0 0.4 1296 744 1 S 09:08 0:04 fvwm davem 1714 0.0 0.2 1092 520 1 S 09:08 0:00 /usr/local/X11R5/lib/X11/fvwm/FvwmPager 7 4 /usr/home/davem/.fvwmrc 0 8 0 3 davem 2061 0.0 0.2 596 464 p3 S 09:11 0:01 -bash davem 4336 0.0 0.2 600 468 p0 S 09:50 0:00 -bash davem 4361 0.0 0.0 148 68 p0 S 09:53 0:02 ./crashme +2000 666 100 1:10:30 2 davem 4383 29.0 0.1 348 268 p0 R 09:53 10:49 ./crashme +2000 686 100 21 2 subprocess davem 4430 22.7 0.0 228 148 p0 R 09:56 7:51 ./crashme +2000 721 100 56 2 subprocess davem 4468 19.0 0.0 252 172 p0 R 09:58 6:14 ./crashme +2000 741 100 76 2 subprocess davem 4478 18.0 0.1 344 264 p0 R 09:59 5:45 ./crashme +2000 750 100 85 2 subprocess davem 4488 17.2 0.0 176 96 p0 R 09:59 5:22 ./crashme +2000 759 100 94 2 subprocess davem 4507 16.2 0.0 252 172 p0 R 10:01 4:52 ./crashme +2000 775 100 110 2 subprocess davem 4515 0.1 0.2 696 392 p3 S 10:01 0:02 telnet caip davem 4520 0.0 0.2 588 464 p1 S 10:02 0:00 -bash davem 4526 15.7 0.1 252 176 p0 R 10:02 4:36 ./crashme +2000 784 100 119 2 subprocess davem 4589 13.8 0.0 216 140 p0 R 10:06 3:28 ./crashme +2000 833 100 168 2 subprocess davem 4628 12.3 0.1 312 236 p0 R 10:09 2:41 ./crashme +2000 871 100 206 2 subprocess davem 4661 11.7 0.1 256 176 p0 R 10:10 2:24 ./crashme +2000 887 100 222 2 subprocess davem 4736 10.6 0.1 2260 264 p0 R 10:13 1:52 ./crashme +2000 920 100 255 2 subprocess davem 4756 10.5 0.0 228 152 p0 R 10:13 1:50 ./crashme +2000 923 100 258 2 subprocess davem 4815 0.0 0.2 592 444 p2 S 10:14 0:00 -bash davem 4830 2.2 0.6 1872 1188 p2 S 10:14 0:22 xgas davem 4845 10.1 0.0 208 128 p0 R 10:15 1:38 ./crashme +2000 939 100 274 2 subprocess davem 4851 10.0 0.1 348 268 p0 R 10:15 1:35 ./crashme +2000 942 100 277 2 subprocess davem 4852 1.4 0.2 1064 456 p2 R 10:15 0:13 xswarm davem 4896 0.1 0.2 592 452 p4 S 10:16 0:00 -bash davem 4990 9.1 0.0 228 148 p0 R 10:19 1:04 ./crashme +2000 992 100 327 2 subprocess davem 5024 8.8 0.1 348 268 p0 R 10:20 0:55 ./crashme +2000 1006 100 341 2 subprocess davem 5058 8.6 0.1 332 256 p0 R 10:21 0:50 ./crashme +2000 1015 100 350 2 subprocess davem 5143 8.2 0.0 204 124 p0 R 10:23 0:40 ./crashme +2000 1035 100 370 2 subprocess davem 5150 8.2 0.1 340 264 p0 R 10:23 0:39 ./crashme +2000 1037 100 372 2 subprocess davem 5207 0.0 0.2 584 444 p5 S 10:24 0:00 -bash davem 5226 7.4 0.1 320 272 p5 R 10:24 0:28 top davem 5297 7.6 0.0 192 116 p0 R 10:26 0:22 ./crashme +2000 1072 100 407 2 subprocess davem 5612 0.0 0.1 252 176 p4 R 10:31 0:01 ps -auxwww root 1 0.2 0.0 188 144 ? S 08:51 0:14 init [2] root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:51 0:00 (kflushd) root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW< 08:51 0:00 (kswapd) root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:52 0:00 (nfsiod) root 11 0.1 0.0 116 44 ? S 08:52 0:10 update (bdfluHOME=/ root 27 0.0 0.1 628 268 ? S 08:52 0:00 /usr/etc/inetd root 29 0.0 0.1 636 248 ? S 08:52 0:00 /usr/etc/portmap root 42 0.0 0.0 152 100 2 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty2 root 43 0.0 0.0 152 100 3 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty3 root 44 0.0 0.0 152 100 4 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty4 root 45 0.0 0.0 152 100 5 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty5 root 46 0.0 0.0 152 100 6 S 08:52 0:00 /sbin/getty 9600 tty6 root 2060 0.0 0.6 1996 1220 1 S 09:11 0:04 xterm root 4335 0.0 0.6 1980 1180 1 S 09:50 0:00 xterm root 4519 0.0 0.6 1980 1204 1 S 10:02 0:01 xterm root 4644 0.0 0.2 592 460 p1 S 10:10 0:00 /bin/bash root 4814 0.0 0.6 1960 1164 1 S 10:14 0:00 xterm root 4894 0.1 0.6 1960 1164 1 S 10:16 0:01 xterm root 5205 0.3 0.2 668 364 ? S 10:24 0:01 /usr/etc/in.telnetd root 5272 0.1 0.2 604 448 p4 T 10:25 0:00 /bin/bash root 5341 0.5 0.3 912 580 p1 S 10:27 0:01 make -j root 5349 0.0 0.1 556 304 p1 S 10:27 0:00 /bin/bash -c set -e; for i in kernel drivers mm fs net ipc lib arch/sparc/kernel arch/sparc/lib arch/sparc/mm arch/sparc/prom; do make -C $i; done root 5488 0.2 0.2 844 520 p1 S 10:29 0:00 make -C drivers root 5491 0.0 0.0 116 104 p1 S 10:29 0:00 /bin/sh -c set -e; for i in block char net sbus scsi; do make -C $i; done root 5529 1.0 0.3 900 572 p1 S 10:30 0:00 make -C char root 5532 4.5 0.3 996 668 p1 S 10:30 0:01 make all_targets root 5537 0.6 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:30 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o n_tty.o n_tty.c root 5538 0.6 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:30 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o sparc/keyboard.o sparc/keyboard.c root 5539 0.5 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:30 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o tty_ioctl.o tty_ioctl.c root 5540 0.5 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:30 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o pty.o pty.c root 5541 2.6 0.4 1184 796 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5542 0.8 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:30 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o vt.o vt.c root 5543 3.0 0.4 1260 836 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5544 9.8 2.0 3988 3528 p1 R 10:30 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase keyboard.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5546 10.0 1.8 3780 3272 p1 R 10:30 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase n_tty.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5547 0.5 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o n_tty.o root 5548 3.2 0.4 1220 800 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5549 10.0 1.9 3788 3340 p1 R 10:30 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase tty_ioctl.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5550 0.5 0.3 1132 552 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o tty_ioctl.o root 5552 9.7 1.8 3752 3292 p1 R 10:30 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase pty.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5553 0.5 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o pty.o root 5555 0.6 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o sparc/keyboard.o root 5556 0.9 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:30 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o vc_screen.o vc_screen.c root 5557 0.9 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:30 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o random.o random.c root 5559 3.3 0.4 1236 840 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5560 10.6 1.9 3928 3456 p1 R 10:30 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase vt.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5561 0.6 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o vt.o root 5563 12.8 1.7 3508 3016 p1 R 10:30 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase vc_screen.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5564 0.8 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o vc_screen.o root 5565 3.7 0.4 1184 780 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5566 11.2 1.8 3800 3296 p1 R 10:30 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase random.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5567 0.8 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:30 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o random.o root 5569 1.2 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:30 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o consolemap.o consolemap.c root 5570 1.1 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:30 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o selection.o selection.c root 5571 0.8 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:30 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o sparc/serial.o sparc/serial.c root 5572 1.4 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:30 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o sunmouse.o sunmouse.c root 5574 1.0 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:31 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o suncons.o suncons.c root 5579 15.0 1.8 3752 3232 p1 R 10:31 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase selection.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5580 0.9 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o selection.o root 5581 4.9 0.4 1280 824 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5582 16.0 1.8 3676 3188 p1 R 10:31 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase consolemap.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5583 1.0 0.3 1132 560 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o consolemap.o root 5584 5.3 0.4 1256 872 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5585 16.0 1.9 3952 3484 p1 R 10:31 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase serial.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5586 0.9 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o sparc/serial.o root 5588 18.0 1.8 3740 3220 p1 R 10:31 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase sunmouse.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5589 0.9 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o sunmouse.o root 5590 2.0 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:31 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o misc.o misc.c root 5591 1.5 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:31 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o tty_io.o tty_io.c root 5592 1.7 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:31 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o console.o console.c root 5593 1.1 0.1 660 268 p1 S 10:31 0:00 gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o mem.o mem.c root 5594 8.4 0.6 1728 1108 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5596 21.3 1.9 4136 3340 p1 R 10:31 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase suncons.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5597 0.7 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o suncons.o root 5598 6.7 0.4 1308 848 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5599 21.6 1.9 3928 3436 p1 R 10:31 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase mem.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5600 0.8 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o mem.o root 5602 8.7 0.5 1472 944 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5603 26.1 1.9 3936 3444 p1 R 10:31 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase tty_io.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5604 1.0 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o tty_io.o root 5605 8.4 0.5 1600 1032 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cpp -lang-c -I/usr/src/linux/include -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=6 -Dsparc -Dsun -Dunix -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc__ -D__sun__ -D__unix__ -D__GCC_NEW_VARARGS__ -D__sparc -D__sun -D__unix root 5606 27.1 2.0 4116 3620 p1 R 10:31 0:01 /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/2.6.3/cc1 -quiet -dumpbase console.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -o - root 5607 1.2 0.3 1132 548 p1 S 10:31 0:00 /usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4/bin/as - -o console.o From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 19 11:47:59 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA27236; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:47:58 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id LAA20845; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:47:49 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id LAA20838; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:47:47 -0700 Received: by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for linux id LAA23886; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:47:45 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199604191847.LAA23886@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Linux/MIPS port resources To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1016 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk I was thinking about what should we do to make David Miller come up to speed as fast as possible when he comes for the summer. After all, he may not be familiar with MIPS assembly, IRIX etc. So I set up a *preliminary* Web page with a list of resources for the Linux/MIPS port. Most of the pointers are from Bill Earl, thanks Bill. Please send me suggestions for improvement, what's missing, etc. This is just a quick first shot so you get the idea. The 6.2 freeware gcc is not yet configured to work with GNU-as (so it uses stabs and supports debugging) and our linker. I'll be working on this next week. We also need to make sure that all the equipment, the office, etc. is ready when David lands here. I assume someone is taking care of all this (?). And that someone with intimate knowledge of our low level stuff is really available to assist him on call. I'll leave it to Larry or Greg to announce the details on David Miller's accepting SGI's offer. p l e a s e :-) 6 weeks to go... -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 19 14:52:46 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA00061; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:52:45 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id OAA16120; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:52:30 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id OAA16115; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:52:29 -0700 Received: (from lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA29927 for linux; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:52:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:52:28 -0700 From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Message-Id: <199604192152.OAA29927@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: linux@neteng.engr.sgi.com Subject: Good news Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Hi- as some of you know, we've been negociating to get David Miller, the Sparc/Linux guy, to come out and work on a MIPS/Linux port. He has accepted, he starts on May 25th, and will be here until August 25th. We had to do a lot of work with the laywers, but we have agreement that all of the work that he does here will be a) owned by SGI (we paid for it), and b) distributed under the terms of the GPL. No exceptions. SGI owns the code so we can choose to use anything that turns out to be interesting inside IRIX without the constraints of the GPL (you may or may not be aware that the owner of the code can choose to distribute the code under multiple copyrights - so we can use stuff in IRIX without "polluting" the IRIX kernel with the GPL). I'd like to thank everyone that has been pulling for this, and especially Greg Chesson who did the hard work of getting the contract hammered out to the satisfaction of SGI & David. We are currently in the process of figuring out what code we can use to help with the port; there may be parts of the setup OS that are both appropriate and useful. Ariel and others are working to get a development machine set up in the engr domain. It will be linux.engr.sgi.com, and should be up and running on Monday or Tuesday. I'll keep you posted on new news as it happens. --lm --- Larry McVoy lm@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/lm (415) 933-1804 Copyright 1996, all rights reserved. Microsoft Network is prohibited from redistributing this work in any form, in whole or in part without license. License to distribute this work is available to Microsoft at $500. Transmission without permission constitutes an agreement to these terms. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 19 17:22:44 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA08180; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:22:44 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id RAA15342; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:22:38 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id RAA15337; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:22:37 -0700 Received: by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for linux id RAA24414; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:22:35 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199604200022.RAA24414@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: MIPS port kickoff meeting To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1599 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Hi LinuxMIPSies, This is becoming real. Please mark your calendars. We have Jamaica in B10U, which holds 12 people, from 4-5pm on Wednesday April 24th. I know it may conflict with someone's schedule but p l e a s e try your best to show up. THE MEETING HAS ONE MAIN GOAL: To ensure that when David Miller lands at SGI he wastes zero time on ramping up. We can do a lot until he comes. The idea Jim Barton, Larry and I had is: 1) Office + two Indys (connected via a serial line to support gdb remote protocol) already waiting, phone, email etc. 2) Development tools installed 3) The latest linux sources on the machine. After trying to compile them and see how smoothly this goes. 4) This may require the most work: A 99% stripped down IRIX or set-top box thing that is basically only the device drivers to boot and do: "hello console" "hello network" "hello disk" "hello keyboard" "hello console graphics" Given all this, David can boot Linux in a few days I guess :-) Agenda: 1) Quick round table: introduce everyone 2) Sort out some details: Are we going for a 64-bit kernel? What MIPS instruction set should we support [e.g. 3K is important for the embedded market] What dev tools should we use? elf/coff stabs/dwarf gcc/cc etc. etc. 4) Suggest more ways to accelerate David Miller's ramp up 5) List action items 6) Get volunteers for help on the above Lastly, since David's Acceptance is final. I think it is time to put David himself on this mailing list too, he certainly has some ideas on how to help us help him. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Apr 20 01:17:11 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA06189; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:17:10 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id BAA21621; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:17:05 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id BAA21616; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:17:03 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA06171 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:17:01 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id BAA21608; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:17:00 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id BAA20612; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:16:59 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA18291; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 04:16:32 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id EAA04303; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 04:16:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 04:16:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199604200816.EAA04303@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com CC: torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi, humor@fidelio.rutgers.edu, user@host.rutgers.edu, lmlinux@neteng.engr.sgi.com, adrian@remus.rutgers.edu Subject: SparcLinux humorous comments.. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Check it out: /* There was a great cache from TI * with comfort as much as vi, * 4 pages to flush, * 4 pages, no rush, * since anything else makes him die. */ ;-) Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 18:03:13 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA12880; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:03:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id SAA26604; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:03:07 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id SAA26582; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:03:05 -0700 Received: by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for linux id SAA28441; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:03:04 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199604230103.SAA28441@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: David Miller is on the list To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 304 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Just so you all know. David Miller is now on the linux@engr.sgi.com mailing list on majordomo@engr. Welcome David! If you want to see some history, I believe Larry has been archiving these emails somewhere. I hope this works fine with external addresses. If not, please let me know. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 18:05:02 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA12889; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:05:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id SAA26849; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:04:57 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id SAA26835; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:04:54 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com by yon.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) id SAA28466; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:04:48 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id SAA26821; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:04:48 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id SAA08539; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:04:46 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA01711; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:04:45 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id VAA01747; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:04:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:04:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199604230104.VAA01747@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com CC: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199604230103.SAA28441@yon.engr.sgi.com> (ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Welcome David! If you want to see some history, I believe Larry has been archiving these emails somewhere. Howdy... I hope this works fine with external addresses. If not, please let me know. Read ya loud and clear, as you can see ;) Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 18:40:15 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA13038; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:40:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id SAA02431; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:40:08 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id SAA02421; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:40:06 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id SAA12769; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:40:04 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02115; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:40:02 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id VAA03615; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:40:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:40:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199604230140.VAA03615@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199604230116.SAA28514@yon.engr.sgi.com> (ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Great, now you can tell the list what do you need :-) Oh boy. Seriously, we've been thinking about how we could make you most productive and not waste your time when you arrive here. Here's a recent posting of mine, so you get the idea just in case Simon or Bob or Larry didn't tell you about all this yet... Feel free to bombard us with requests/questions. There are about 20 people on the linux list at SGI (you can query majordomo@engr.sgi.com for the details) Already did that an hour ago ;) (note: I looked back over this mail after composing it and I want to warn people who are not familiar with me yet that I am very sarcastic and am full of ridicule even when discussing important topics. Please don't take it that I lack tact or am not being serious, because that simply isn't the case.) Here is what I need: The following utilities I need for development. 1) CVS/RCS, latest on prep.ai.mit.edu is fine 2) Emacs-19.31 (rms should release within 2 weeks) 3) All GNU smidgen-type utilies as the default binaries (this include fileutils/sh-utils/sharutils/diffutils/ findutils/...) Actually, Let me just stop short and say, if there is a source tarball for it on prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu I would like the latest installed on the machine I develop on. 4) xfishtank (don't laugh) 5) fvwm 6) teco (Must support full teco command set as described in original DEC manuals! TECO is _the_ renaissance editor!) The following would be nice, but if it will give people bladder problems to do these then don't go out of your way: 1) MIPS 4[40]00 manual is some online format (not postscript, something I can cut and paste out of an emacs buffer etc. so maybe info or pure ascii text would be fine, I could care less about the formatting, I just want the words there) 2) Docs on the ethernet/scsi interfaces and I/O bus architecture for the first machine I will be getting this to work on, again text/info format would be nice. Of course I will probably just stuff in the ready drivers you might be getting to me into Linux but I want to write my own from scratch in the near future after that. 3) I know as much as a bum on the street about SGI machines and the various lines, a nice "roadmap to sgi workstations and servers, plus the hardware gook thats inside" type thing would be very useful to me. I will feel more comfortable if: 1) I became very familiar with who the heavy low level MIPS assembly level hackers are who I will be dealing with while I am there. Please tell me who they are, introduce, make us say hello to each other, you get the idea. 2) I know the policy on loud music in the office I'll be in ;-) I've thought it over and to me the best plan for things this summer to me is: a) R4400 32-bit "proof of concept, yeah we can pull it off" port happens first, side effect is that I become intimate enough with the chip that I can do things more efficiently. b) From here we look into the 64-bit stuff and whether that is is even desirable on 64-bit. (this would be my first 64-bit port outside of my initial UltraSparc hacks) c) Also think about the work needed to turn that code into r3000 friendly code. Should not be too much as I've done the "write it on recent architecture design then backport it to older design which had some limitations" already and this didn't end up being so bad. Expect more as I think it up... this should keep you guys busy for now. (Any dead-head tape traders at SGI engineering? Just wondering, may want to start talking to them now ;-) Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 19:15:40 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA13094; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:15:40 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id TAA06483; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:15:34 -0700 Received: from soyuz.wellington.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id TAA06467; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:15:28 -0700 Received: from windy.wellington.sgi.com by soyuz.wellington.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI) for id OAA14551; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:15:25 +1200 Received: (alambie@localhost) by windy.wellington.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA21562 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:15:24 +1200 From: "Alistair Lambie" Message-Id: <9604231415.ZM21560@windy.wellington.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:15:23 +0000 In-Reply-To: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) "MIPS port kickoff meeting" (Apr 19, 5:22pm) References: <199604200022.RAA24414@yon.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: MIPS port kickoff meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk On Apr 19, 5:22pm, Ariel Faigon wrote: > Subject: MIPS port kickoff meeting > Hi LinuxMIPSies, > > This is becoming real. Please mark your calendars. > > We have Jamaica in B10U, which holds 12 people, from 4-5pm > on Wednesday April 24th. > > I know it may conflict with someone's schedule but p l e a s e > try your best to show up. > Umm...could be a problem. It's a holiday here in New Zealand, otherwise :-) > > Agenda: > 1) Quick round table: introduce everyone > 2) Sort out some details: > Are we going for a 64-bit kernel? > What MIPS instruction set should we support > [e.g. 3K is important for the embedded market] > What dev tools should we use? > elf/coff stabs/dwarf gcc/cc etc. etc. My 2c worth: 1. We should definitely do 32bit, probably 64bit as well. There is a big base of R3k machines out there that are going to start getting left behind soon. 2. We need to go for lowest common denominator (MIPS I) and then add conditionals (in the low level bits) later. The c code can of course be compiled as the user wants it. 3. We need to support machines that don't have a graphics head (servers). This requires serial drivers. 4. We should really tie this project in with what is happening at http://lena.fnet.fr/. Their goal has been to get Linux on ARCS systems running little endian, but there is a need for a MIPS port for MIPS (the company) R3k machines which needs to be big endian. 5. Should we use the 'milo' bootloader? 6. > 4) Suggest more ways to accelerate David Miller's ramp up > 5) List action items > 6) Get volunteers for help on the above > Probably not much I can do from here. Maybe some Beta testing a bit further down the track (test for bit inversion in the southern hemisphere :-) ). I still have an interest in getting Linux on to the old MIPS boxes, so maybe with a few quick hacks after David has worked his magic I can get this to happen. I suspect that this would also help CSD out as I know they still get support calls from people who have these machines and are falling all over the place with the development environment (svr3, bsd43, svr4). Often they are little more than people playing and having a Linux offering may be the best way to get them out of our hair. Also, RISC/os is getting a bit long in the tooth now and there are still some nasty little bugs in it, often comms related which more often than not is what the person wanted it for! One thing that would be nice is for someone to minute the meeting to the list so that those of us who can't attend can see what's happening. I guess it is also a good way of documenting the progress as things move along! Cheers, Alistair -- Alistair Lambie alambie@wellington.sgi.com Silicon Graphics New Zealand SGI Voicemail: 56791 Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower, Ph: +64-4-802 1455 94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ Fax: +64-4-802 1459 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 19:16:38 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA13099; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:16:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id TAA06594; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:16:33 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id TAA06589; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:16:32 -0700 Received: by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for linux id TAA28613; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:16:30 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199604230216.TAA28613@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:16:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199604230140.VAA03615@huahaga.rutgers.edu> from "David S. Miller" at Apr 22, 96 09:40:01 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4846 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk > >(note: I looked back over this mail after composing it and I want to > warn people who are not familiar with me yet that I am very > sarcastic and am full of ridicule even when discussing > important topics. Please don't take it that I lack tact > or am not being serious, because that simply isn't the case.) > Feel free to express yourself, my english (colloquial and otherwsie) is bad anyway, and I guess the others don't care :-) >Here is what I need: > > The following utilities I need for development. > 1) CVS/RCS, latest on prep.ai.mit.edu is fine > RCS comes default with IRIX today. But I know it is not the latest. OK, and I'll add cvs. > 2) Emacs-19.31 (rms should release within 2 weeks) > 3) All GNU smidgen-type utilies as the default binaries > (this include fileutils/sh-utils/sharutils/diffutils/ > findutils/...) > Actually, Let me just stop short and say, if there is a > source tarball for it on prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu I would > like the latest installed on the machine I develop on. > Many of these are in our freeware project. Ready to install with the click of a mouse. (Yes, one of the cool things about SGI is a joe-user software installer infinitely better than RPM/glint.) (yon) 84 /var/tmp> which find /usr/freeware/bin/find (yon) 85 /var/tmp> which tar /usr/freeware/bin/tar (yon) 86 /var/tmp> which grep /usr/freeware/bin/grep (yon) 87 /var/tmp> which chmod /usr/freeware/bin/chmod I'll add the missing ones. That's easy. BTW, we called it '/usr/freeware' rather than '/usr/gnu' because many packages are from other sources and because some of our customers asked us to stay away from their /usr/local. > 4) xfishtank (don't laugh) > Bingo. Larry runs this too. You weird people. Is this a conspiracy? :-) > 5) fvwm > > 6) teco (Must support full teco command set as described > in original DEC manuals! TECO is _the_ renaissance editor!) > I'll try to build these too. > The following would be nice, but if it will give people > bladder problems to do these then don't go out of your > way: > 1) MIPS 4[40]00 manual is some online format (not postscript, > something I can cut and paste out of an emacs buffer etc. > so maybe info or pure ascii text would be fine, I could > care less about the formatting, I just want the words > there) For MIPS ABI stuff: try the following web site, http://www.mipsabi.org/ Especially: http://www.mipsabi.org/Tech/Technical.html Tell us what's missing there. As for the MIPS programmer's Assembly manual. There is an excellent one internally on the Web... I'll try to get you a copy soon. > 2) Docs on the ethernet/scsi interfaces and I/O bus > architecture for the first machine I will be getting > this to work on, again text/info format would be nice. > Of course I will probably just stuff in the ready > drivers you might be getting to me into Linux but I want > to write my own from scratch in the near future after > that. > 3) I know as much as a bum on the street about SGI machines > and the various lines, a nice "roadmap to sgi workstations > and servers, plus the hardware gook thats inside" type > thing would be very useful to me. > I'll leave these to some other folks on the list. > I will feel more comfortable if: > 1) I became very familiar with who the heavy low level MIPS > assembly level hackers are who I will be dealing with while > I am there. Please tell me who they are, introduce, make > us say hello to each other, you get the idea. > I believe the most knowledgable low-level gurus on the list are Bill Earl and Jim Barton, I'm sure there are more, I just don't know everyone on the list personally ... > 2) I know the policy on loud music in the office I'll be in > ;-) > I'm trying to get you an office right by mine :-) >I've thought it over and to me the best plan for things this summer to >me is: > a) R4400 32-bit "proof of concept, yeah we can pull it off" > port happens first, side effect is that I become intimate > enough with the chip that I can do things more efficiently. > b) From here we look into the 64-bit stuff and whether that is > is even desirable on 64-bit. (this would be my first > 64-bit port outside of my initial UltraSparc hacks) > c) Also think about the work needed to turn that code into > r3000 friendly code. Should not be too much as I've done > the "write it on recent architecture design then backport > it to older design which had some limitations" already and > this didn't end up being so bad. > Cool. >Expect more as I think it up... this should keep you guys busy for >now. > >(Any dead-head tape traders at SGI engineering? Just wondering, may > want to start talking to them now ;-) > You'll find lots of them here ;-) -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 19:28:14 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA13122; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:28:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id TAA07444; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:28:07 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id TAA07437; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:28:06 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com by yon.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) id TAA28647; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:28:00 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id TAA07428; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:27:59 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id TAA17146; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:27:58 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02819; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:27:57 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id WAA05238; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:27:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:27:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199604230227.WAA05238@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com CC: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199604230216.TAA28613@yon.engr.sgi.com> (ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:16:30 -0700 (PDT) > >(note: I looked back over this mail after composing it and I want to > warn people who are not familiar with me yet that I am very > sarcastic and am full of ridicule even when discussing > important topics. Please don't take it that I lack tact > or am not being serious, because that simply isn't the case.) > Feel free to express yourself, my english (colloquial and otherwsie) is bad anyway, and I guess the others don't care :-) Cool, I feel much more comfortable now ;) > 4) xfishtank (don't laugh) > Bingo. Larry runs this too. You weird people. Is this a conspiracy? :-) Nope, not a conspiracy. Grab a copy of: caip.rutgers.edu:/pub/davem/penguin.gif Then run 'xfishtank -p penguin.gif' after hacking endlessly on down and dirty kernel code for 20 hours straight with no sleep and direct intraveinus coffee keeping you going, and tell me that isn't the damn most funniest thing you've ever seen in your life. (note said description is the state I am in right now, whee... oh yeah, and the penguin picture was found in Linus's home directory on linux.cs.helsinki.fi one late night I was hacking on there :) For MIPS ABI stuff: try the following web site, http://www.mipsabi.org/ Especially: http://www.mipsabi.org/Tech/Technical.html Tell us what's missing there. As for the MIPS programmer's Assembly manual. There is an excellent one internally on the Web... I'll try to get you a copy soon. Noted, I'll check some of that out. Thanks. >(Any dead-head tape traders at SGI engineering? Just wondering, may > want to start talking to them now ;-) > You'll find lots of them here ;-) Oh, yummy, heaven on earth. Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 19:38:02 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA13178; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:38:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id TAA07855; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:36:28 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id TAA07848; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:36:26 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by yon.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id TAA28667; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:36:15 -0700 Received: from localhost (lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA13171; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:35:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199604230235.TAA13171@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: "David S. Miller" From: lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) cc: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:35:59 -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk : > 4) xfishtank (don't laugh) : > : Bingo. Larry runs this too. You weird people. Is this a conspiracy? :-) : : Nope, not a conspiracy. Grab a copy of: : : caip.rutgers.edu:/pub/davem/penguin.gif : : Then run 'xfishtank -p penguin.gif' after hacking endlessly on down Nah, try this: xearth & xfishtank -d Fish in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace! From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 19:50:49 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA13205; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:50:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id TAA09154; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:50:21 -0700 Received: from sgihub.corp.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id TAA09139; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:50:20 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by sgihub.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/911001.SGI) for id TAA23191; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:45:04 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com by yon.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) id TAA28688; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:44:55 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id TAA08459; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:44:37 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id TAA17951; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:44:35 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03061; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:44:15 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id WAA06042; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:44:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:44:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199604230244.WAA06042@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com CC: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199604230235.TAA13171@neteng.engr.sgi.com> (lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Actually, here's an important issue. I get to name my machines right? Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 19:55:55 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA13297; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:55:55 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id TAA09497; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:55:51 -0700 Received: from circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id TAA09490; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:55:49 -0700 Received: by circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) id VAA02353; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:55:34 -0500 From: jm@circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com (jon madison) Message-Id: <199604230255.VAA02353@circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com> Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:55:33 -0500 (EST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199604230216.TAA28613@yon.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at Apr 22, 96 07:16:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 349 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Ariel Faigon quoted, a little while back, #> 5) fvwm ariel, if you can't i'll swing it (i run bowman here...(bowman's a 'better' fvwm (looks like NeXTStep...the GoodStuff is like NeXT's dock) j. -- jon madison, silicon graphics, inc. us: mailto:jm@sgi.com me: From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 20:01:41 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA13325; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:01:41 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id UAA09903; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:01:37 -0700 Received: from circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id UAA09897; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:01:35 -0700 Received: by circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) for linux@engr id WAA02391; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:01:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:01:26 -0500 From: jm@circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com (jon madison) Message-Id: <199604230301.WAA02391@circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: which fvwm? Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk david, which version of fvwm...1.xx or the 2's? thx, j. jon madison, silicon graphics, inc. us: mailto:jm@sgi.com me: From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 20:03:45 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA13331; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:03:44 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id TAA08482; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:44:45 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id TAA08474; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:44:44 -0700 Received: from deliverator.sgi.com by yon.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id TAA28685; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:44:40 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by deliverator.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) id TAA17718; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:44:33 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03052; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:43:12 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id WAA06037; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:43:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:43:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199604230243.WAA06037@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com CC: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199604230235.TAA13171@neteng.engr.sgi.com> (lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk From: lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:35:59 -0700 Fish in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace! YESSSS!!! way cool larry Oh man, in my .xinitrc this goes... Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 22 20:26:32 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA13387; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:26:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id UAA12319; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:26:23 -0700 Received: from deliverator.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id UAA12296; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:26:21 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by deliverator.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) id UAA20071; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:26:06 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03486; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:24:50 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id XAA06446; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:24:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:24:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199604230324.XAA06446@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: jm@circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199604230301.WAA02391@circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com> (jm@circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com) Subject: Re: which fvwm? Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:01:26 -0500 From: jm@circle-slide.indianapolis.sgi.com (jon madison) david, which version of fvwm...1.xx or the 2's? 1.24l Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 09:35:33 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA09379; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id JAA07514; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:28 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id JAA07499; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:26 -0700 Received: from piecomputer.corp.sgi.com by yon.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id JAA29479; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:22 -0700 Received: by piecomputer.corp.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) id JAA11799; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:17 -0700 From: "Bob Mende Pie" Message-Id: <9604230935.ZM11797@piecomputer.corp.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:15 -0700 In-Reply-To: lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) "Re: David Miller is on the list" (Apr 22, 7:35pm) References: <199604230235.TAA13171@neteng.engr.sgi.com> X-URL: http://reality.sgi.com/employees/mende/ X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy), "David S. Miller" Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Cc: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk On Apr 22, 7:35pm, Larry McVoy wrote: > Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list > : > 4) xfishtank (don't laugh) > : > > : Bingo. Larry runs this too. You weird people. Is this a conspiracy? :-) > : > : Nope, not a conspiracy. Grab a copy of: > : > : caip.rutgers.edu:/pub/davem/penguin.gif > : > : Then run 'xfishtank -p penguin.gif' after hacking endlessly on down > > Nah, try this: > > xearth & > xfishtank -d > > Fish in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace! And all of the fish are bubbling the same thing ... "cpu ... more cpu ..." :-) -- /Bob... mende@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/mende/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 09:35:43 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA09397; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:43 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id JAA07561; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:37 -0700 Received: from ares.esd.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id JAA07555; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:36 -0700 Received: from fir.esd.sgi.com by ares.esd.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA15628; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:35 -0700 Received: by fir.esd.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/920502.SGI.AUTO) id JAA13693; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:24 -0700 From: wje@fir.esd.sgi.com (William J. Earl) Message-Id: <199604231635.JAA13693@fir.esd.sgi.com> To: "David S. Miller" Cc: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list In-Reply-To: <199604230140.VAA03615@huahaga.rutgers.edu> References: <199604230116.SAA28514@yon.engr.sgi.com> <199604230140.VAA03615@huahaga.rutgers.edu> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk David S. Miller writes: > From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:16:30 -0700 (PDT) ... > 1) MIPS 4[40]00 manual is some online format (not postscript, > something I can cut and paste out of an emacs buffer etc. > so maybe info or pure ascii text would be fine, I could > care less about the formatting, I just want the words > there) The manuals are online, generally at www,mips.com. For example, http://www.mips.com/r4400/UMan/R4400_UM_cv.html is the latest R4400 manual. Our newer processors for low-end systems are the R4600 and now the R5000. Most Indy systems now ship with R5000 processors, and the Indy should be the target for the initial port, since it is in current production and widely available. The R4600 and R5000 are generally similar, except that the R4600 has 16 KB primary caches and is MIPS III, whereas the R5000 has 32 KB primary caches and is MIPS IV. Both are fairly similar to the R4000PC and R4400PC, in the sense that they do not have a secondary cache which enforces primary cache virtual index coherency. (Many Indy R4600 and R5000 systems do have secondary caches, but they do not supply virtual coherency exceptions.) The R4600 and R5000 are good targets for an initial port, because they have the fewest errata, and hence require the fewest kernel workarounds. The R4000 workarounds, in particular, are pretty messy. The R4600 and R5000 data sheets may be found via http://www.idt.com/risc/Welcome.html (under the 64-bit RISC microprocessors category). The manuals are not online on public servers, but I can track down copies. There is some more R4600 and R5000 information under http://www.qedinc.com/ There is a comparison of the R4400 and the R4600 at http://www.mips.com/r4400/Des_Com/Des_Com_cv.html The MIPS IV architecture document is http://www.mips.com/arch/MIPS4_cv.html This is of relatively minor importance for a basic port, but can be used to good effect to improve graphics and application performance. There are a few minor kernel support issues. Once the basic port is done, extending it to the other common processors, such as the R3000, R4000, R4400, and R10000, will be fairly simple. The R6000 (not common and obsolete for some years now) and the R8000 would be somewhat more work to support, since they differ more from the other processors in the kernel interface. > 2) Docs on the ethernet/scsi interfaces and I/O bus > architecture for the first machine I will be getting > this to work on, again text/info format would be nice. > Of course I will probably just stuff in the ready > drivers you might be getting to me into Linux but I want > to write my own from scratch in the near future after > that. I have the documents for the memory controller for Indy, and I think I can locate most of the others. They are only on paper, however, but I can get copies. > 3) I know as much as a bum on the street about SGI machines > and the various lines, a nice "roadmap to sgi workstations > and servers, plus the hardware gook thats inside" type > thing would be very useful to me. There are tables of the systems under http://ssales.corp.sgi.com/products/html/periodic_table.html Unfortunately, these are inside the firewall. > I will feel more comfortable if: > 1) I became very familiar with who the heavy low level MIPS > assembly level hackers are who I will be dealing with while > I am there. Please tell me who they are, introduce, make > us say hello to each other, you get the idea. I am probably the best initial contact for Indy issues, and I can introduce you to people familiar with the various drivers and so on. ... > I've thought it over and to me the best plan for things this summer to > me is: > a) R4400 32-bit "proof of concept, yeah we can pull it off" > port happens first, side effect is that I become intimate > enough with the chip that I can do things more efficiently. As I mentioned above, the R4600 and R5000 processors are a simpler initial target, and the Indy R4600 is the most common configuration. > b) From here we look into the 64-bit stuff and whether that is > is even desirable on 64-bit. (this would be my first > 64-bit port outside of my initial UltraSparc hacks) This is mainly interesting on the larger systems. 64-bit kernels do take more space and time (due to extra cache misses, if nothing else), and most applications don't need more than 32-bit addresses. The 32-bit kernel should, however, support using 64-bit arithmetic (MIPS III and IV) even in 32-bit programs, since there are substantial performance gains available for certain applications. The kernel itself can use 64-bit arithmetic to good effect as well. (This is how IRIX works.) > c) Also think about the work needed to turn that code into > r3000 friendly code. Should not be too much as I've done > the "write it on recent architecture design then backport > it to older design which had some limitations" already and > this didn't end up being so bad. The R3000 is not drastically different from the R4600. The main differences are somewhat different TLB and cache control routines, and, of course, the MIPS I instruction set. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 09:39:44 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA09621; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:39:44 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id JAA08004; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:39:39 -0700 Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id JAA07999; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:39:38 -0700 Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) id JAA27799; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:39:30 -0700 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9604230939.ZM27797@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:39:29 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Alistair Lambie" "Re: MIPS port kickoff meeting" (Apr 23, 2:15pm) References: <199604200022.RAA24414@yon.engr.sgi.com> <9604231415.ZM21560@windy.wellington.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: "Alistair Lambie" , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: MIPS port kickoff meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk There are US Gov't customers for Linux on SGI boxes who require 64-bit OS. So, let's support tho 32-bit ARCS boxes without compromising opportunities to sell new boxes (with 64-bit Linux). g From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 09:56:58 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA09755; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:56:58 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id JAA12326; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:56:47 -0700 Received: from piecomputer.corp.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id JAA12320; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:56:46 -0700 Received: by piecomputer.corp.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) id JAA12075; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:56:43 -0700 From: "Bob Mende Pie" Message-Id: <9604230956.ZM12073@piecomputer.corp.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:56:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: "David S. Miller" "Re: David Miller is on the list" (Apr 22, 9:40pm) References: <199604230140.VAA03615@huahaga.rutgers.edu> X-URL: http://reality.sgi.com/employees/mende/ X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: "David S. Miller" , ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk On Apr 22, 9:40pm, David S. Miller wrote: > 5) fvwm I've got 2.0.42 compiled and running ... But if dave wants to live in the dark ages of fvwm 1.x thats fine with me. > 6) teco (Must support full teco command set as described > in original DEC manuals! TECO is _the_ renaissance editor!) I've got it compiled, but beats the hell out of me if it works :-) Ill make you a deal, if I see you edit a file with it I bring you my honest to god DEC PDP-11 teco manual. -- /Bob... mende@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/mende/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 10:06:25 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA10051; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:06:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id KAA14640; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:06:19 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id KAA14628; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:06:17 -0700 Received: from patton.engr.sgi.com by yon.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id KAA29620; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:06:13 -0700 Received: by patton.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id KAA21770; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:06:11 -0700 From: "Jim Barton" Message-Id: <9604231006.ZM21768@patton.engr.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:06:11 -0700 In-Reply-To: Ariel Faigon: message of Apr 22, 19:16 References: <199604230216.TAA28613@yon.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk The purpose for basing the port on R3000 is *not* to support obsolete workstations and servers; our time and effort need to be directed to the future, not the past. If the guys in OZ want to port it, fine. Basing on an R3000 is important because of it's exploding use as an embedded processor; it's showing up in your laser printers, phone switches, robots, airplanes, satellite receivers, and so on. One thing Larry and I are interested in is seeing if Linux is really suitable as an embedded OS to support these (and more) applications. What you typically find is an r3k core surrounded by various application- specific peripherals, e.g, MPEG decoders, sound chips, DMA controllers, serial controllers. The OS is usually in ROM, and the device manufacturer adds special drivers to the mix. Real-time constraints come into play; in particular, it would be interesting to consider what additions to Linux make it work well for real-time applications. Posix 1003.4 is pretty heavy-weight, but perhaps we can have a light-weight implementation. In the workstation/server world, the R4000 is the processor to aim at. It is significantly different than the r3k in TLB layout, but little else in 32-bit mode, so the same code should basically work both places. I believe different binaries should be built for the r4k and r3k - certain pieces of MIPS II ISA can accelerate performance, and the compilers take advantage of that. Given that the workstation/server world is moving to 64 bit, I believe we need a 64-bit version of Linux as well. The design of the MIPS III ISA is actually pretty clean for keeping the same source between 32-bit and 64-bit kernels, as long as you are careful about your types. The r4k is also interesting because it is at the heart of the Nintendo Ultra-64 game, and the R4300i processor it uses is starting to show up in various Japanese computer products. The volumes of this device are projected in the 10s of millions of units, so it is significant. Linux in your Ultra-64 box? Hmmmm. Might actually be interesting ... So, we need to be able to build three versions from the same source. I think the R10K can be ignored for now, and it *only* runs in 64-bit kernel mode. 64-bit user mode can also be ignored for now - there are few applications for 64-bit programs except in the high-end scientific markets. The R8K is obsolete. -- jmb From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 10:23:08 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA14045; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:23:08 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id KAA17325; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:23:04 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id KAA17320; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:23:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA13743; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:22:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199604231722.KAA13743@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: "Greg Chesson" From: lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) cc: "Alistair Lambie" , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: MIPS port kickoff meeting Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:22:54 -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Greg said: : There are US Gov't customers for Linux on SGI boxes who require : 64-bit OS. So, let's support tho 32-bit ARCS boxes without compromising : opportunities to sell new boxes (with 64-bit Linux). We definitely want to do this. And I don't want to do anything to derail this because I want this badly. And what I'm about to say does not imply that we don't do 64bit - I want both. And it should be easy to do both. One reason for thinking small, however, is that we could finesse the whole Linux vs IRIX issue by raising awareness that Linux on MIPs could be a really nice solution for the embedded market. I personally would love to see a full page in IEEE times in which MIPS announces the availablity of embedded Linux for MIPs chips. This may be the quickest path to getting Linux embraced internally. I'm pretty sure that Cygnus would be interested in signing up for support for such a platform - that is a big part of their business. And I think that R3K is still the volume chip in the embedded market, so we want that to work. Thoughts? From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 10:25:40 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA14994; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:25:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id KAA17787; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:25:33 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id KAA17782; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:25:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA14858; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:25:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199604231725.KAA14858@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com From: lm@gate1-neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) cc: "Greg Chesson" , "Alistair Lambie" , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: MIPS port kickoff meeting Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:25:26 -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Arrg, ignore my message and read Jim's - he said it better. I gotta learn to read all my mail before firing off replies. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 12:51:31 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA28420; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:51:31 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id MAA11081; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:51:26 -0700 Received: from titian by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id MAA11070; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:51:25 -0700 Received: from localhost by titian via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) id MAA01292; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:51:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199604231951.MAA01292@titian> To: "David S. Miller" cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:51:24 -0700 From: Mike McDonald Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk A dumb question, what exactly is the purpose of porting Linux to SGI/Mips boxes? At one time, it was proposed as a way that all of the people how just got dropped from support to maintain there machine's usefull life. Now, people are talking about embedding linux in printers and Nintendo boxes! Or as an alternative to Irix on our current machines. Personally, I think the port should concentrate on R3K boxes with/without graphics. (It'd be nice if we could release the info so that X11R6 could be built on the old boxes.) The port should be a 32 bit port. (Does gcc even support 64 bit MIPS 27 ISA?) It also be nice if the R3K port would also work on the R4K machines that are fading away, ie. Indy's, Indigo2's. Mike McDonald mikemac@engr.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 13:20:59 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA03811; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:20:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id NAA15112; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:20:53 -0700 Received: from ares.esd.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id NAA15105; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:20:52 -0700 Received: from fir.esd.sgi.com by ares.esd.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA24196; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:20:51 -0700 Received: by fir.esd.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/920502.SGI.AUTO) id NAA20245; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:20:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:20:50 -0700 From: wje@fir.esd.sgi.com (William J. Earl) Message-Id: <199604232020.NAA20245@fir.esd.sgi.com> To: Mike McDonald CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list In-Reply-To: <199604231951.MAA01292@titian> References: <199604231951.MAA01292@titian> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Mike McDonald writes: > > > A dumb question, what exactly is the purpose of porting Linux to > SGI/Mips boxes? At one time, it was proposed as a way that all of the > people how just got dropped from support to maintain there machine's > usefull life. Now, people are talking about embedding linux in > printers and Nintendo boxes! Or as an alternative to Irix on our > current machines. Personally, I think the port should concentrate on > R3K boxes with/without graphics. (It'd be nice if we could release the > info so that X11R6 could be built on the old boxes.) The port should > be a 32 bit port. (Does gcc even support 64 bit MIPS 27 ISA?) It also > be nice if the R3K port would also work on the R4K machines that are > fading away, ie. Indy's, Indigo2's. Different people have different motivations, and you have heard some of them. My main interest is in two parts. First, on current-production low-end workstations, I would like to compare linux performance to IRIX performance. If linux is much better on most measures, in ways which matter to end users, then we would need to consider it as a choice for low-end systems. If it is better only in some dimensions, then we can use it as an existence proof that there are ways to improve IRIX in those dimensions. It is hard to compare software running on different hardware, but software running on identical hardware is directly comparable. Second, I believe that UNIX-based systems are gratuitously incompatible, compared to NT, and that this is an impediment to competing against NT in low-end servers and workstations. Since most efforts to standardize interfaces and administration for UNIX systems have been very slow and incomplete, due to conflicting interests of the vendors involved, I would like to try using linux as a vehicle for creating a de facto standard. Where appropriate, we should give away some enabling technology, such as Web-based administration scripts. We really compete on application performance. Trying compete in areas such as administrative commands, which are peripheral to the user's main interests, is, on balance, almost certainly counterproductive. This will be even more the case as we begin selling into larger installations (with a large number of units, not the odd one or two systems we often sell at present). linux for older boxes is a fine thing, and not unduly difficult to do, at least on the workstations, but there are a lot more R4000-and-better boxes out there now. As for embedded systems, there are actually pretty decent real time systems, some with POSIX compliance, which support MIPS processors. I doubt that the success of MIPS processors in embedded systems is much limited by software availability. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 13:27:03 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA06606; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:27:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id NAA16317; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:26:58 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id NAA16308; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:26:56 -0700 Received: by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for linux id NAA00059; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:26:54 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199604232026.NAA00059@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: What target (was David ...) To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:26:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199604231951.MAA01292@titian> from "Mike McDonald" at Apr 23, 96 12:51:24 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1313 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Mike asked (not a dumb Q, BTW): > > A dumb question, what exactly is the purpose of porting Linux to >SGI/Mips boxes? > Looks like there are many opinions. I don't care as long as we manage to do this port. Whatever we port it to (and the wider the port is) SGI is going to benefit tremendously. You may read my Linux pages (http://info.engr/~ariel/linux) to understand why my personal conviction (and others) is so strong. Some of the nice things about Linux are: 1) It can work from RAM (virtual disk), So it follows that it is easily ROMable and embeddable (much more so than IRIX) I have developed embedded apps for several years in my past and I can tell you that my life would have been infinitely easier had I been able to develop in a Linux env. Only the thought of having the same env on the host and the target is revolutionary by itself (and possible!) 2) It has a small footprint so naturally it is a good candidate for embedded market. 3) It has a common single source code for 32-bit and 64-bit machines (Alpha). So we shouldn't think of this as an "either/or" proposition. P.S. gcc doesn't have support for 64 bit MIPS 27 ISA, I guess, but nobody is stopping us from using our compilers (as well as gcc at our convenience). -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 13:54:38 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA09136; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:54:37 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id NAA22502; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:54:31 -0700 Received: from titian by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id NAA22492; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:54:30 -0700 Received: from localhost by titian via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) id NAA01434; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:54:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199604232054.NAA01434@titian> To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: What target (was David ...) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:26:53 PDT." <199604232026.NAA00059@yon.engr.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:54:29 -0700 From: Mike McDonald Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk >From: ariel@yon (Ariel Faigon) >Subject: What target (was David ...) >To: linux@yon >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:26:53 -0700 (PDT) >P.S. >gcc doesn't have support for 64 bit MIPS 27 ISA, I guess, but >nobody is stopping us from using our compilers (as well as gcc >at our convenience). >-- >Peace, Ariel I strongly believe that using our compilers would be a "bad" thing for the initial port. Requiring someone to buy IDO inorder to compile a free OS seems like the "wrong" thing to me. Now, if we (SGI) decide to ship a Linux version, then yes, using our compilers is OK. Let's just make sure that the port is dependant on our compilers in any way at this point. (I doubt that's what you were suggesting. I just want to make it clear before we get started.) Mike McDonald mikemac@engr.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 15:27:46 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA02388; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:27:46 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id PAA09787; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:27:40 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id PAA09782; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:27:39 -0700 Received: by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) id PAA00323; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:27:36 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199604232227.PAA00323@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: What target (was David ...) To: mikemac@titian.engr.sgi.com (Mike McDonald) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199604232054.NAA01434@titian> from "Mike McDonald" at Apr 23, 96 01:54:29 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1481 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk >Mike dijo: >>yo dijo: >> >>P.S. >>gcc doesn't have support for 64 bit MIPS 27 ISA, I guess, but >>nobody is stopping us from using our compilers (as well as gcc >>at our convenience). > > I strongly believe that using our compilers would be a "bad" thing >for the initial port. Requiring someone to buy IDO inorder to compile >a free OS seems like the "wrong" thing to me. Now, if we (SGI) decide >to ship a Linux version, then yes, using our compilers is OK. Let's >just make sure that the port is dependant on our compilers in any way >at this point. (I doubt that's what you were suggesting. I just want >to make it clear before we get started.) > > Bob and I are working separately on making our compilers (actually only the C one, not Ada :-) be bundled with Irix (and possibly licence enabled for a nominal fee, which can be done automatically without human intervention -- surprisingly this may increase revenues because the cost of handling goes to zero and the potential upside due to lowering barriers is large). I think we have a very good chance of acheiving this as soon as our upcoming big software release. Also, I agree, we should make sure that whatever we do is buildable by gcc. And we should also be paying Cygnus to do a real supported full port (including ld), but this is harder to achieve (need $$$ from management) at this point. However, after we have Linux and it takes off, everything related to free software would be possible :-) -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 15:39:46 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA03288; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:39:46 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id PAA12490; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:39:40 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id PAA12479; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:39:39 -0700 Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com by yon.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id PAA00404; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:39:34 -0700 Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) id PAA29068; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:39:32 -0700 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9604231539.ZM29066@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:39:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: ariel@yon (Ariel Faigon) "What target (was David ...)" (Apr 23, 1:26pm) References: <199604232026.NAA00059@yon.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: What target (was David ...) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk I'm pleased that we are getting a Linux port started and that there is an incredible degree of interest and enthusiasm. This is independent of which hardware configurations will or should be supported. I see good reasons for doing all of them. I hope that the self-selected "steering committee" will generate some consensus tomorrow as to priorities. If there is no consensus, then Larry McVoy and I will make an "executive decision" based on available hardware resources and a shortest-path approach to getting a first port. greg From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 15:44:02 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA03564; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:44:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id PAA13339; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:43:55 -0700 Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id PAA13334; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:43:54 -0700 Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) id PAA29190; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:43:53 -0700 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9604231543.ZM29188@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:43:51 -0700 In-Reply-To: ariel@yon (Ariel Faigon) "Re: What target (was David ...)" (Apr 23, 3:27pm) References: <199604232227.PAA00323@yon.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mikemac@titian.engr.sgi.com (Mike McDonald) Subject: Re: What target (was David ...) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Right. The objective with bringing David in has been to get something started.... a first port as an "enabling technology". I believe that many good things will happen as a result. greg From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 18:56:39 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA15166; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:56:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id SAA10702; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:56:34 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id SAA10695; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:56:32 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id SAA08149; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:56:29 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA23190; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:56:28 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id VAA10149; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:56:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:56:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199604240156.VAA10149@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: wje@fir.esd.sgi.com CC: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199604231635.JAA13693@fir.esd.sgi.com> (wje@fir.esd.sgi.com) Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:24 -0700 From: wje@fir.esd.sgi.com (William J. Earl) There are tables of the systems under http://ssales.corp.sgi.com/products/html/periodic_table.html Unfortunately, these are inside the firewall. This having been noted, is my account at sgi going to be setup soon so that perhaps I could telnet in using the firewall and look at the docs mentioned from an internal machine? Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 18:58:36 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA15272; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:58:36 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id SAA10822; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:58:31 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id SAA10816; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:58:29 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id SAA08307; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:58:27 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA23225; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:58:26 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id VAA10177; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:58:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:58:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199604240158.VAA10177@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: mende@piecomputer.corp.sgi.com CC: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <9604230956.ZM12073@piecomputer.corp.sgi.com> (mende@piecomputer.corp.sgi.com) Subject: Re: David Miller is on the list Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk From: "Bob Mende Pie" Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:56:42 -0700 On Apr 22, 9:40pm, David S. Miller wrote: > 5) fvwm I've got 2.0.42 compiled and running ... But if dave wants to live in the dark ages of fvwm 1.x thats fine with me. Someone else is building 1.24l for me right now methinks... better check this out before bucking heads ;) > 6) teco (Must support full teco command set as described > in original DEC manuals! TECO is _the_ renaissance editor!) I've got it compiled, but beats the hell out of me if it works :-) Ill make you a deal, if I see you edit a file with it I bring you my honest to god DEC PDP-11 teco manual. [1 J^P$L$$ J <.-Z; .,(S,$ -D .)FX1 @F^B $K :L I $ G1 L>$$ Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 19:05:50 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA15754; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:05:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id TAA11371; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:05:45 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id TAA11362; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:05:43 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id TAA09132; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:05:42 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA23379; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:05:40 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id WAA10247; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:05:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:05:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199604240205.WAA10247@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com CC: alambie@wellington.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <9604230939.ZM27797@xtp.engr.sgi.com> (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: MIPS port kickoff meeting Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk From: "Greg Chesson" Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:39:29 -0700 There are US Gov't customers for Linux on SGI boxes who require 64-bit OS. So, let's support tho 32-bit ARCS boxes without compromising opportunities to sell new boxes (with 64-bit Linux). Like I said I'll do the 32-bit port and work from there based upon how I feel after that. Remember I've got one kernel here which works on every 32-bit CPU type Sun has every put into a box with almost no performance loss. I can do it too for MIPS and I will. The goal being that some day I will be able to slap the same kernel image into an INDY as I can for an ONYX and a LEGO. And also, I will design it such that, as in the traditional Linux kernel model, you can config all this shit out and get the streamlined minimal kernel which only works with a certain configuation. (MM code, config it out because this is for an embedded system) Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 19:11:22 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA16016; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:11:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id TAA11690; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:11:16 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id TAA11684; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:11:14 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id TAA09708; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:11:13 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA23504; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:11:12 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id WAA10272; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:11:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:11:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199604240211.WAA10272@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199604230609.XAA28946@yon.engr.sgi.com> (ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: Naming your machines Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:09:23 -0700 (PDT) >Actually, here's an important issue. I get to name my machines right? > Sure. Do you have some names to ask for? Unless they are taken (in the engr.sgi.com domain), you got them. Actually I've been thinking, it's a toss up between five sets of names right now: 1) "Jarry" and "Garcia" 2) "ccpenguin" and "feathers_mcgraw" 3) "tanya" and "stacy" 4) "filmore-east" and "filmore-west" 5) "ru-east" and "ru-west" bwahahahaha If anyone likes one in particular, say so. Hey thats it, I'll let everyone vote on the pair they like and thats the one I'll use ;-) Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 21:31:58 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA23220; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:31:58 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id VAA20791; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:31:53 -0700 Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id VAA20778; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:31:51 -0700 Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) id VAA00295; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:31:40 -0700 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9604232131.ZM293@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:31:38 -0700 In-Reply-To: "David S. Miller" "Re: MIPS port kickoff meeting" (Apr 23, 10:05pm) References: <199604240205.WAA10247@huahaga.rutgers.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: "David S. Miller" Subject: Re: MIPS port kickoff meeting Cc: alambie@wellington.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk agreed. we should begin with the version of Linux that is the most natural port for you. The other versions can come later. Note however that Lego may prefer a 64-bit kernel. g From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 23 22:33:11 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA26251; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:33:11 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id WAA24028; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:33:00 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id WAA24022; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:32:59 -0700 Received: by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) id WAA01149; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:32:55 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199604240532.WAA01149@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Periodic Tables outside firewall To: davem@caip.rutgers.edu (David S. Miller) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199604240156.VAA10149@huahaga.rutgers.edu> from "David S. Miller" at Apr 23, 96 09:56:27 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 838 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk > > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:24 -0700 > From: wje@fir.esd.sgi.com (William J. Earl) > > There are tables of the systems under > > http://ssales.corp.sgi.com/products/html/periodic_table.html > > Unfortunately, these are inside the firewall. > http://www.sgi.com/Technology/index.html Is outside the firewall and has similar content (click on "Periodic Tables") I also found some MIPS Assembly guides under Silicon Surf (they actually are pointers to www.mips.com) for example: http://www.mips.com/r4400/UMan/R4000.book_5.html Includes the R4K instruction set and much more. (I believe Bill mentioned this) I tried to mirror what's in our technical library, but it turns out it is all generated from SGML by DynaWeb using gci scripts so its too hairy to deal with. Anyway, the above is just as good. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 24 14:05:45 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA13215; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:05:44 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id OAA22985; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:05:37 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id OAA22933; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:05:35 -0700 Received: by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for linux id OAA02155; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:05:31 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199604242105.OAA02155@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Reminder: meeting in 2 hours To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 133 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Just a reminder: MIPS-Linux kickoff Meeting today at 16:00 Jamaica conf. room Buliding 10 Upper See you there. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 24 18:17:57 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA20217; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:17:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id SAA27569; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:17:28 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id SAA27559; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:17:24 -0700 Received: by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for linux id SAA02535; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:17:22 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199604250117.SAA02535@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Linux allocated machines To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1397 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Some announcements: 1) The two Indy's allocated for David are in Jeff Thomas old office in Building 9 Upper, across from the Matisse conf room. One is 6.2 MR and one 5.3 and they're both on the network. They both have empty root passwords in order to help you be as productive as possible. (info) 522 ~> rlogin root@co-op-test.engr IRIX Release 5.3 IP22 co-op Copyright 1987-1994 Silicon Graphics, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Last login: Wed Apr 24 17:50:23 PDT 1996 by UNKNOWN@unhinged.engr.sgi.com co-op 1# (info) 523 ~> rlogin root@divot.engr IRIX Release 6.2 IP22 divot Copyright 1987-1996 Silicon Graphics, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Last login: Wed Apr 24 17:45:36 PDT 1996 by ariel@co-op.engr.sgi.com divot 1# We plan to upgrade both to 200MHz CPUs so they won't slow us down (Thanks Bill). The names are historic. We are waiting for David to come up with the names he likes best (or whatever you vote for from his list) 2) I marked the room and the machines with big signs so no one comes to take these apart. I mailed 'sa@engr' regarding these being on a loan from John Loveall to Greg Chesson. 3) I'll be flying to Israel tomorrow, but I'l try to stay in touch via email, I'll be back on May 10th. Please do lots of good things while I'm gone. A summary of today's meeting will follow. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 24 18:35:35 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA21250; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:35:35 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id SAA01105; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:35:29 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id SAA01099; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:35:27 -0700 Received: by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for linux id SAA02579; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:35:24 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199604250135.SAA02579@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Kickoff meeting minutes To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 814 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk To make a long story short. Here are our Action Items + volunteers: Skeletal Kernel / sash boot: Jim Barton, Simon Cooper, Bob Mende Sandeep Cariapa expressed his wish to learn and help here. Drivers, VM questions, low-level focal point: Bill Earl 200MHz CPU upgrades Bill Earl Graphics drivers, MIT-stuff->Newport, check other options Jim, Simon Setup, serial cable, add disk space Larry gcc, binutils, gdb Ariel Office coordination Greg <-> John Loveall Simon is going back to England for a while, but he'll be with us virtually. Some interesting developments: Alan Cox, Linus (Oops...can we really talk about this?) Request: please keep this low key. Don't talk too much with your friends about all this at this point. Boy, are we excited yet :-) -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 24 18:48:48 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA21388; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:48:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id SAA03063; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:48:43 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id SAA03052; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:48:41 -0700 Received: from soyuz.wellington.sgi.com by yon.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id SAA01052; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:48:35 -0700 Received: by soyuz.wellington.sgi.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI) id NAA02386; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:48:28 +1200 From: alambie@wellington.sgi.com (Alistair Lambie) Message-Id: <199604250148.NAA02386@soyuz.wellington.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Kickoff meeting minutes To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:48:28 +1200 (NZT) Cc: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199604250135.SAA02579@yon.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at Apr 24, 96 06:35:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 249 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk > Some interesting developments: Alan Cox, Linus (Oops...can we really > talk about this?) > That's evil....of course it allows the imagination to run rife!! > Boy, are we excited yet :-) You bet...even if I can't be there :-( Cheers, Alistair From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 24 19:23:11 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA21453; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:23:10 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id TAA07095; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:23:02 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id TAA07087; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:23:01 -0700 Received: from surfdog.csd.sgi.com by yon.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id TAA01082; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:22:46 -0700 Received: by surfdog.csd.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) for linux@yon.engr.sgi.com id TAA03886; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:22:45 -0700 From: "Sandeep Cariapa" Message-Id: <9604241922.ZM3884@surfdog.csd.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:22:44 -0700 In-Reply-To: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) "Kickoff meeting minutes" (Apr 24, 6:35pm) References: <199604250135.SAA02579@yon.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Kickoff meeting minutes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk At the meeting there was some talk about hooking up with the folks in Germany who're porting to MIPS boxes. If there is any interest, the email address is: linux@informatik.uni-koblenz.de Sandeep From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 24 19:38:56 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA21477; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:38:56 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id TAA08394; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:38:51 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id TAA08384; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:38:50 -0700 Received: from soyuz.wellington.sgi.com by yon.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id TAA01096; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:38:46 -0700 Received: by soyuz.wellington.sgi.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI) id OAA02669; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:38:30 +1200 From: alambie@wellington.sgi.com (Alistair Lambie) Message-Id: <199604250238.OAA02669@soyuz.wellington.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Kickoff meeting minutes To: cariapa@surfdog.csd.sgi.com (Sandeep Cariapa) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:38:29 +1200 (NZT) Cc: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <9604241922.ZM3884@surfdog.csd.sgi.com> from "Sandeep Cariapa" at Apr 24, 96 07:22:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 680 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk > > At the meeting there was some talk about hooking up with the folks > in Germany who're porting to MIPS boxes. If there is any interest, the > email address is: linux@informatik.uni-koblenz.de > Sandeep > Another contact is: andy@waldorf-gmbh.de He was the one driving the porting group when I was last talking with them...when asked about SGI boxes he always complained that the reason they didn't work on them was that they couldn't get the info they needed! I'm sure they would be interested in what is happening here. As far as I know they have an ARCS machine up and running, and have all the crossdev stuff done (but I guess we don't need that). Cheers, Alistair From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 26 14:59:44 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA02510; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:59:44 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id OAA02310; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:59:36 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id OAA02303; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:59:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA02500 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:59:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199604262159.OAA02500@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux/MIPS status on non-SGI boxes Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:59:33 -0700 From: Larry McVoy Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Looks like we may have help... ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:14:24 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle To: lm, davem@caip.rutgers.edu, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Linux/SGI coming Hi all, > So, can someone provide a quick summary of the current status? All the > usual stuff, like what compilers are used, what linker, what are you > doing for userland, etc. OK. There is a bootloader available for ARC conformant systems. This implies little endian byte order. Some time ago we redesigned the interface to pass bootinformation to the kernel. The new interface uses a tagged list and can also be used to pass big information like ramdisks or fonts from the bootloader to the kernel. Due to the byteorder Milo isn't really of interest. Furthermore the Milo distribution is crippled due to (C) problems. Since you, Larry, probably have signed an NDA with SGI ;-) you can however get the complete sources, it you wish. Otherwise the crippled distribution is available via ftp.fnet.fr. What is missing are the lowlevel interfaces between the pseudo libc implementation that Milo uses and the ARC BIOS. This was required due to M$ holding the (C) for the information Milo is based on. The crosscompiler environment is based on GCC 2.7.2 and Binutils 2.6. The required patches that fix lots of bugs and add Linux/MIPS support for a.out, ELF little/big endian byte order are available on ftp.fnet.fr. Their installation isn't easy but Dave shouldn't have to much trouble with this. There are some binary packages on ftp.fnet.fr for Linux/i386 host. I'd like to have packages for more hosts, so if someone sends me binaries we'll put the online. (I could create packages for Stun's OSes if someone wants them) The libc implementation is based on the GNU libc which is available only as ELF. My home sources are based on snapshot 960210; upgrading to the newest libc will be the next thing for me to do when I sent my kernel patches to Linus. There is an older Linux libc port available - don't use it! I changed the low level kernel interfaces for 1.3 so that they should now look much more like IRIX 5.3 / RISC/os 5.01 which breaks this old (a.out ...) port completly. The distribution is still available via ftp to help building the a.out crosscompiler. The quality of the libc port to Linux is good enough to build most user stuff. GNU libc is however very aggresive to bad code; quite some packages need to be patched to compile. I'll put patches online as soon as I can. Most of the userland stuff available via ftp is based on the GNU or Debian source distributions. The kernel itself runs pretty solid for me. It currently supports the PC versions of R4000 and R4400 CPUs but probably doesn't work for SC and MC versions. I tried to support R2000/R3000/R6000/R8000/R10000 as good as possible without having hardware, so a port shouldn't be too hard. For R4000 and better many of the lowlevel functions have been written to be SMP proof but again without SMP hardware and at this point of the project SMP is nothing really invest my time in. One of the kernel features that are still missing is the special kernel code to handle denormalized numbers - not of interest for you - FPU emulation, branch delay emulation. Also there is no support for ptrace(2), therefore no debugger. The supported machines are the Mips Magnum 4000, Olivetti M700-10 (a OEM Magnum version) and Acer Pica 61, which is a kind of a successor type for the Magnum built by Acer. All these machines have a similar DMA engine, Floppy, NCR53C94 SCSI and Sonic Ethernet onboard. This SCSI/Ethernet hardware is currently not supported. I thought it would be better to use (E)ISA hardware where drivers are very easy to port and to put my time on the other parts of the system. Paul Antoine is working on DECstation/R3000 support. > Also, the handhold on information has loosened quite a bit. If there is > specific information you are looking for, let me know. In particular, > I have access to all the chip errata, something that our internal people > use a lot. I think it would be great to have all this stuff on our ftp server as it could especially help peoples with ancient CPUs. Andy's R4000 2.2 was driving me crazy ... This should answer many of your questions but probably not all, so feel free to mail me. Ralf ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 26 15:24:28 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA02934; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:24:27 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id PAA05014; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:24:21 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id PAA05009; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:24:20 -0700 Received: (from lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA02924 for linux; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:24:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:24:15 -0700 From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Message-Id: <199604262224.PAA02924@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: linux@neteng.engr.sgi.com Subject: machine resource? Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Hi- I've been talking to one of the Linux/MIPs guys in Europe and a couple of things came up: 1. We should get a box up outside the firewall to act as a source repository. We have space (a small amount) and a drop in my lab here in B9. 2. This guy offered to get a cross development environment set up if we gave him a login on a machine. I'd like to kill two birds here and stick something like a challenge/s or an indy or whatever the new R5000 is called out there. Does anyone have access to some hardware that we could use for this? If you come up with the hardware, I'll get it installed on the net (linux.sgi.com?), and help maintain it. Any ideas? Thanks, --lm --- Larry McVoy lm@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/lm (415) 933-1804 Copyright 1996, all rights reserved. Microsoft Network is prohibited from redistributing this work in any form, in whole or in part without license. 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From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 26 17:03:21 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA04933; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:03:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id RAA15651; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:03:06 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id RAA15638; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:03:05 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA04910 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:02:58 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id RAA15614; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:02:57 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) for id RAA14141; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:02:54 -0700 Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA21442 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:02:52 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id UAA25342; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:02:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:02:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199604270002.UAA25342@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: lmlinux@neteng.engr.sgi.com Subject: command line typo of the day... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk ? egrep SGISEGV *.c ? whoops whoops: command not found ? egrep SIGSEGV *.c Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 29 16:28:09 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA18473; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:28:09 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id QAA15965; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:27:56 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id QAA15952; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:27:54 -0700 Received: (from lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA18469 for linux; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:27:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:27:54 -0700 From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Message-Id: <199604292327.QAA18469@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: linux@neteng.engr.sgi.com Subject: scope of this mailing list Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Hi SGIers, There are people from the outside that are interested in the progress of the Linux/MIPs effort. So I'm adding them to the list if they look like reasonable sorts. For example, a guy from Red Hat, the company that produces a distribution for DEC Alphas and for Intel, is now on the list. I suspect that we might be able to work with them to get a Linux/MIPs distribution. Furthermore, givem that Linux/MIPs will run IRIX elf binaries, we might be able to merge the Freeware and Linux/MIPs efforts - they have a lot of overlap. Something to think about. --lm --- Larry McVoy lm@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/lm (415) 933-1804 Copyright 1996, all rights reserved. Microsoft Network is prohibited from redistributing this work in any form, in whole or in part without license. License to distribute this work is available to Microsoft at $500. Transmission without permission constitutes an agreement to these terms. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 29 17:07:01 1996 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA25775; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:07:01 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for linux-list id RAA20673; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:06:56 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id RAA20665; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:06:55 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA25770 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:06:54 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id RAA20661; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:06:53 -0700 Received: from relay.redhat.com by sgi.sgi.com via SMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) for id RAA22314; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:06:51 -0700 Received: (qmail-queue invoked from smtpd); 30 Apr 1996 00:08:48 -0000 Received: from redhat.com (199.183.24.1) by relay.redhat.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 1996 00:08:47 -0000 Received: (from ewt@localhost) by redhat.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA03823; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:06:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:06:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Troan To: Larry McVoy cc: linux@neteng.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: scope of this mailing list In-Reply-To: <199604292327.QAA18469@neteng.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, Larry McVoy wrote: > to get a Linux/MIPs distribution. Furthermore, givem that Linux/MIPs > will run IRIX elf binaries, we might be able to merge the Freeware and > Linux/MIPs efforts - they have a lot of overlap. Something to think > about. This raises a good question - what is the relationship between the SGI port, a port to Digital MIPS/TurboChannel machines, and the MIPS/PC port (that works on MIPS machines with PCI/EISA buses)? Will they all be the same endian? Should binarises be comaptible? What about sources such as libc and the kernel syscall interface? Erik ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Always hoped that I'd be an apostle. Knew that I would make it if I tried. Then when we retire we can write the gospels so they'll all talk about us when we die. - "The Last Supper" from Jesus Christ Superstar | Erik Troan = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt/ = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu |