From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 2 04:17:47 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA22929; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:17:47 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA05288 for linux-list; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:17:42 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA05268 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:17:38 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA13851 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:17:37 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id HAA22284; Fri, 2 May 1997 07:21:18 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705021121.HAA22284@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: linux-2.1.36 To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 07:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 748 Lines: 21 Looks like sgiserial.c needs to be updated to use the new IRQ stuff, etc. (can't find keypress_wait, still using queue_task_irq_off). I'm going to wish I was paying more attention on linux-kernel when people were going over this stuff, I just know it. =) Also, wd33c93.c fails to compile. Probably some simple stuff (I'm getting parse errors), but I won't be able to do much with it until the afternoon. I'll try building without SCSI and serial support, and see how that works. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Linux: because every cycle counts. #> #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com #> "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 2 05:15:50 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA23169; Fri, 2 May 1997 05:15:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA12156 for linux-list; Fri, 2 May 1997 05:15:51 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA12133 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 05:15:48 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA20461 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 05:15:38 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from ozzy (ralf@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13307; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:11:10 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705021211.OAA13307@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id OAA03035; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:11:07 +0200 Subject: Re: linux-2.1.36 To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:11:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, davem@caip.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199705021121.HAA22284@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 2, 97 07:21:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 940 Lines: 26 Hi, > Looks like sgiserial.c needs to be updated to use the new IRQ stuff, > etc. (can't find keypress_wait, still using queue_task_irq_off). Mea culpa. I leave that part to you. > I'm going to wish I was paying more attention on linux-kernel when > people were going over this stuff, I just know it. =) > > Also, wd33c93.c fails to compile. Probably some simple stuff (I'm > getting parse errors), but I won't be able to do much with it until > the afternoon. I messed the wd driver stuff up. I didn't fix the rejects when applying Linus' patch 2.1.36. I fixed that in the meantime and will try to find time to make a pre-patch-2.1.37 before I leave Germany. David did completly reformat the WD driver to make it readable. Downside is that it's difficult to see what he really has changed. Someone should probably do that. David, what are the differences between your version of the WD driver and the stock WD driver? Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat May 3 18:42:17 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA11174; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:42:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA04967 for linux-list; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:39:44 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA04950 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:39:24 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.19.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA22763 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:39:21 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12247; Sat, 3 May 1997 21:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA02925; Sat, 3 May 1997 21:29:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 21:29:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199705040129.VAA02925@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de CC: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705021211.OAA13307@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> (message from Ralf Baechle on Fri, 2 May 1997 14:11:06 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: linux-2.1.36 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1081 Lines: 24 From: Ralf Baechle Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:11:06 +0200 (MET DST) David did completly reformat the WD driver to make it readable. Downside is that it's difficult to see what he really has changed. Someone should probably do that. David, what are the differences between your version of the WD driver and the stock WD driver? If you go and diff my modified version and the stock version in that kernel source tree (probably a 2.0.something, somewhere around there, you can check the top level Makefile in my original tree ;-) it should be easy to tell what I've changed and what is just reformatting. If I recally, I placed new comments in the places where logic/code changes, and not just reformatting. ---------------------------------------------//// Yow! 11.26 MB/s remote host TCP bandwidth & //// 199 usec remote TCP latency over 100Mb/s //// ethernet. Beat that! //// -----------------------------------------////__________ o David S. Miller, davem@caip.rutgers.edu /_____________/ / // /_/ >< From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat May 10 10:41:17 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA04727; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:41:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA06833 for linux-list; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:41:01 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA06814 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:40:59 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA11070 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:40:30 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA31718; Sat, 10 May 1997 13:49:46 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705101749.NAA31718@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: linux-2.1.36 (and update) In-Reply-To: <199705040129.VAA02925@jenolan.caipgeneral> from "David S. Miller" at "May 3, 97 09:29:07 pm" To: davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu (David S. Miller) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1970 Lines: 46 Thus spake David S. Miller: > If you go and diff my modified version and the stock version in that > kernel source tree (probably a 2.0.something, somewhere around there, > you can check the top level Makefile in my original tree ;-) it should > be easy to tell what I've changed and what is just reformatting. I'm going to work from the 2.0.12 stock kernel (that's the version that's running on bogomips right now, so I know it works). I haven't heard anything recently about linux.sgi.com, so I'll just install the CVS tree from private/dm somewhere on neon (my poor box) and try to extract a diff. Time to brush up on my CVS skills. =) My Indy goes away in a week or so, and I want to get the 2.1.36 merge done before it leaves. (I have the option, but not the means, to purchase the Indy in question for $5K CDN. =) ) Hopefully, I'll be able to work off of linux.sgi.com, when it gets deployed somewhere visible to me. Once I get to the point where I can successfully build a kernel and such, I want to start hacking some of the PROM config-extraction stuff, mainly so I can boot from the network without typing in 5 lines of nfs config data. =) One of my cohorts found a book on MIPS assembly in a local store, so I'll probably pick that up as well; should cut down on the number of stupid questions I have to ask. > If I recally, I placed new comments in the places where logic/code > changes, and not just reformatting. Excellent, my liege. (microupdate: just finished unpacking cvs.tar.gz, and I'm going to have to shuffle some stuff around so I have space to actually extract a kernel from the archive... =/ ) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Welcome to the technocracy. #> #> "you'd be so disappointed #> to find out that the magic was not #> really meant for you" - OLP From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat May 10 17:30:43 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA10570; Sat, 10 May 1997 17:30:43 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA17345 for linux-list; Sat, 10 May 1997 17:30:36 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA17340 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 17:30:33 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id RAA24921 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 17:30:26 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id UAA04501 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Sat, 10 May 1997 20:39:45 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705110039.UAA04501@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: .36 progresss To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:39:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2305 Lines: 56 Well, I've "fixed up" (where "fixed up" means that they now compile without error): drivers/scsi/wd33c93.c arch/mips/sgi/setup.c arch/mips/indy_int.c arch/mips/kernel/irixioctl.c arch/mips/kernel/irixelf.c arch/mips/kernel/irixsig.c Left to do are: entry.S head.S sysirix.c (boy, will _that_ be fun... =/) The problems with entry.S are related to the BUILD_HANDLER macro set, it seems, and the errors in question look like: entry.S: Assembler messages: entry.S:207: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored entry.S:207: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored entry.S:208: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored entry.S:208: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored entry.S:215: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored entry.S:215: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored entry.S:217: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored entry.S:217: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored entry.S:218: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored entry.S:218: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored entry.S:219: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored entry.S:219: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored head.S's problem gives an identical error, but the code doesn't seem similar: head.S: Assembler messages: head.S:281: Error: .previous without corresponding .section; ignored 278 LEAF(except_vec2_generic) 279 /* Famous last words: unreached */ 280 mfc0 a1,CP0_ERROREPC 281 PRINT("Cache error exception: c0_errorepc == %08x\n") 282 1: 283 j 1b You all know how good I am with assembly, so I might have to wait for Ralf to return. =) In the meantime, I'll hack away at sysirix.c. (Did it always give piles of "control reaches end of non-void function" warnings?) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Information Warfare Division #> Chief Tactical and Strategic Officer "Saepe fidelis" #> #> "I like your game, but we have to change the rules." -- Anon #> From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 16:00:49 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA17870; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:00:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA07057 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:00:26 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA07042 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:00:20 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.19.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA00761 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:00:16 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA04160; Sun, 11 May 1997 18:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA11246; Sun, 11 May 1997 18:55:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:55:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199705112255.SAA11246@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705112256.SAA11805@neon.ingenia.ca> (message from Mike Shaver on Sun, 11 May 1997 18:56:35 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: irix_times Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 421 Lines: 11 From: Mike Shaver Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:56:35 -0400 (EDT) gcc tells me, quite rightly, that error may be used without initialization, and I'm wondering if the hiding of error in the C block is intentional. I assume not, but I thought I'd make sure it just wasn't davem outsmarting me again. =) Thats just my stupidity, the obvious fix is the intended code. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 15:47:50 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA17640; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:47:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA05418 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:47:13 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA05342 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:47:00 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA29532 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:46:57 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA11805 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Sun, 11 May 1997 18:56:36 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705112256.SAA11805@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: irix_times To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:56:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1182 Lines: 39 >From sysirix.c: asmlinkage int irix_times(struct tms * tbuf) { int error; lock_kernel(); if (tbuf) { int error = verify_area(VERIFY_WRITE,tbuf,sizeof *tbuf); if (error) goto out; __put_user(current->utime,&tbuf->tms_utime); __put_user(current->stime,&tbuf->tms_stime); __put_user(current->cutime,&tbuf->tms_cutime); __put_user(current->cstime,&tbuf->tms_cstime); } error = 0; out: unlock_kernel(); return error; } gcc tells me, quite rightly, that error may be used without initialization, and I'm wondering if the hiding of error in the C block is intentional. I assume not, but I thought I'd make sure it just wasn't davem outsmarting me again. =) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Welcome to the technocracy. #> #> "you'd be so disappointed #> to find out that the magic was not #> really meant for you" - OLP From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 16:49:13 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA16769; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:49:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA11358 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:49:09 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA11353 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:49:07 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA08905 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:49:05 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id TAA12648 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Sun, 11 May 1997 19:59:36 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705112359.TAA12648@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: progress... To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:59:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1071 Lines: 26 OK, it now compiles everything except for the entry.S and head.S problems I described before. I think I'm getting closer to that problem, too. The entry.S bit barfs on all the BUILD_HANDLER(...,verbose) entries, and not on the (...,silent) ones. Looking right above, I see that BUILD_HANDLER(...,verbose) uses the macro BUILD_verbose(), which contains: PRINT(fmt) Aaaaaand....the offending line in head.S is: PRINT("Cache error exception: c0_errorepc == %08x\n") So, I think the issue is that the Indy code for the PRINT() macro/whatever isn't correctly set up. I'm going to cheat and just comment out the PRINT() lines, and see what happens to my box. =) Mike (-D__GOGOGO__) -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Chief System Architect -- will tame sendmail(8) for food #> #> "You are a very perverse individual, and I think I'd like to get to #> know you better." --- eric@reference.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 17:18:54 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA22153; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:18:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA15044 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:17:49 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA15003 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:17:43 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id RAA11766 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:17:42 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id UAA13036 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:19:59 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705120019.UAA13036@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Almost there... To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:19:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1201 Lines: 31 (kinda) Everything compiles now (had to comment out another PRINT() in arch/mips/lib/watch.S), and I just have to chase down the undefined refs that the linker is barfing on. So picky, these binutils are. =) In case anyone else is working on this (Miguel? You get your box yet?), these are the ones that it's complaining about: __mips_bh_counter (arch/mips/kernel/softirq.c:do_bottom_half, among about 8 other places) copy_sigbits32 (kernel/irixelf.c:irix_core_dump) initialize_kbd (sgi/prom/misc.c:prom_*) kh (drivers/char/psaux.c:write_aux_{dev,cmd}) local_irq_count (bunch of places) rs_init (drivers/char/ttyio.c:tty_init) serial_console (sgi/kernel/setup.c:sgi_setup) Mail me if you want patches to my current working set... I'll probably get back on this tomorrow at some point...I have "real work" to do tonight. =( Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Information Warfare Division #> Chief Tactical and Strategic Officer "Saepe fidelis" #> #> "I like your game, but we have to change the rules." -- Anon #> From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 17:28:34 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA17061; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:28:34 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA16562 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:28:33 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA16553 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:28:30 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.19.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id RAA12823 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:28:29 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05453; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA11384; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:23:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:23:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199705120023.UAA11384@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705120019.UAA13036@neon.ingenia.ca> (message from Mike Shaver on Sun, 11 May 1997 20:19:58 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Almost there... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 202 Lines: 6 From: Mike Shaver Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:19:58 -0400 (EDT) (Miguel? You get your box yet?) Nope he didn't, import laws in Mexico got the machine before he did... From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 17:51:21 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA19805; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:51:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA18410 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:51:21 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA18399 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:51:19 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.19.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id RAA15273 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:51:16 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05792; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA11410; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:46:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:46:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199705120046.UAA11410@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705120056.UAA14117@neon.ingenia.ca> (message from Mike Shaver on Sun, 11 May 1997 20:56:15 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Almost there... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 340 Lines: 12 From: Mike Shaver Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Thus spake David S. Miller: > (Miguel? You get your box yet?) > > Nope he didn't, import laws in Mexico got the machine before he did... Is that a permanent failure, or just Yet Another Bureaucratic Delay(tm)? Permanent. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 17:48:16 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA19641; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:48:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA18051 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:47:44 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA18045 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:47:38 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id RAA14970 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:47:35 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id UAA14117; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:56:16 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705120056.UAA14117@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: Almost there... In-Reply-To: <199705120023.UAA11384@jenolan.caipgeneral> from "David S. Miller" at "May 11, 97 08:23:21 pm" To: davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu (David S. Miller) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 624 Lines: 17 Thus spake David S. Miller: > (Miguel? You get your box yet?) > > Nope he didn't, import laws in Mexico got the machine before he did... Is that a permanent failure, or just Yet Another Bureaucratic Delay(tm)? Mike (and I thought our gov't was bad...) -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Paranoid for money. Sarcastic for kicks. #> #> "They already *KNOW* I am a whacko, Karen. #> That doesn't mean I am *WRONG*." -- mjr@clark.net From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 20:30:11 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA05003; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:30:11 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA01383 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:29:49 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com (neteng.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.10]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA01377; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:29:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id UAA00416; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:29:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199705120329.UAA00416@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: "David S. Miller" From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) cc: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Almost there... Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:29:38 -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 492 Lines: 16 : Thus spake David S. Miller: : > (Miguel? You get your box yet?) : > : > Nope he didn't, import laws in Mexico got the machine before he did... : : Is that a permanent failure, or just Yet Another Bureaucratic : Delay(tm)? : : Permanent. Ariel found a diplomat that is going to schlep it through. We don't give up that easy. And Ralf is getting an Indy as soon as he gets back. And David & Inglo are getting shitloads of hardware as soon as they work here. --lm From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 20:39:44 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA05004; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:39:44 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA02100 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:39:44 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA02095; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:39:41 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.19.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id UAA03604; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:39:39 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA08193; Sun, 11 May 1997 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA11599; Sun, 11 May 1997 23:34:30 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 23:34:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199705120334.XAA11599@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com CC: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705120329.UAA00416@neteng.engr.sgi.com> (lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: Almost there... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 385 Lines: 11 From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:29:38 -0700 : Permanent. Ariel found a diplomat that is going to schlep it through. We don't give up that easy. And Ralf is getting an Indy as soon as he gets back. And David & Inglo are getting shitloads of hardware as soon as they work here. *Clap clap clap*, I expected nothing less 8-) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 22:03:19 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA21648; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:03:19 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA09265 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:02:55 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA09259; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:02:54 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id WAA12979; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:02:52 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA16104; Mon, 12 May 1997 01:13:20 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705120513.BAA16104@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: Almost there... In-Reply-To: <199705120329.UAA00416@neteng.engr.sgi.com> from Larry McVoy at "May 11, 97 08:29:38 pm" To: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1408 Lines: 33 Thus spake Larry McVoy: > Ariel found a diplomat that is going to schlep it through. We don't > give up that easy. And Ralf is getting an Indy as soon as he gets back. > And David & Inglo are getting shitloads of hardware as soon as they > work here. Excellent! I'm going to try and con another loaner out of the guys up here (hi, Kev! =) ) when they actually reclaim mine. Currently, I'm trying to get my laptop to talk to the network under Linux (can't see the docking station's ethernet) so I can get the xcompiler on here. Right now, I'm working off of a DX4/100, and it's kinda slow going. I've been putting off a full rebuild of glibc for the Indy until I get a faster setup. (I was tempted to set up the Irix-hosted stuff, but I don't have the machine for long enough to warrant the effort.) Tomorrow, I'm going to try to build the nettools and apache with the xcompiler. I fear I'm at the edge of my abilities with the current kernel stuff, although I may try and track down some of the undefined symbols if I get some time. (David? Inglo?) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Commando Developer - Whatever It Takes #> #> "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like #> Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." - Linus Torvalds From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 22:34:22 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA10918; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:34:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA12889 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:34:18 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA12883 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:34:16 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id WAA16387 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:34:14 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA16316 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Mon, 12 May 1997 01:44:04 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705120544.BAA16316@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: indyIRQ.S vs irq.c To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:44:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 847 Lines: 24 The comments in the mips/kernel Makefile indicate that the SGIs need a different IRQ setup, and so they don't use mips/kernel/irq.c. And yet, in mips/kernel/irq.c, we have things like: #ifdef CONFIG_SGI #include #endif I presume that this stuff is vestigial from davem's early hacking, but I'm wondering whether it's best to try and hack local_irq_count, etc. support into indyIRQ.S, or to try and integrate the Indy support into irq.c. I'm much better with C, so the latter is tempting, but I figure there's a reason Dave decided to keep them separate. Advice? Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Linux: because every cycle counts. #> #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com #> "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 11 23:32:55 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA13944; Sun, 11 May 1997 23:32:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA18532 for linux-list; Sun, 11 May 1997 23:32:42 -0700 Received: from sgiger.munich.sgi.com (sgiger.munich.sgi.com [144.253.192.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA18527 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 23:32:38 -0700 Received: from knobi.munich.sgi.com by sgiger.munich.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI) id IAA14108; Mon, 12 May 1997 08:32:34 +0200 Received: from knobi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobi.munich.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951220.SGI.AUTOCF.knobi) via SMTP id IAA16651; Mon, 12 May 1997 08:32:31 +0200 Message-ID: <3376B97F.167E@munich.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:32:31 +0200 From: Martin Knoblauch Organization: Silicon Graphics GmbH, Am-Hochacker 3, D-85630 Grasbrunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry McVoy CC: "David S. Miller" , shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Almost there... References: <199705120329.UAA00416@neteng.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1262 Lines: 31 Larry McVoy wrote: > > : Thus spake David S. Miller: > : > (Miguel? You get your box yet?) > : > > : > Nope he didn't, import laws in Mexico got the machin > : > before he did... > : > : Is that a permanent failure, or just Yet Another Bureaucratic > : Delay(tm)? > : > : Permanent. > > Ariel found a diplomat that is going to schlep it through. We > don't give up that easy. And Ralf is getting an Indy as soon > as he gets back. And David & Inglo are getting shitloads of Lets be careful. I have to ship the box from Bavaria to Germany. This might need a diplomat to. Martin -- +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |Martin Knoblauch | Silicon Graphics GmbH | |Manager Technical Marketing | Am Hochacker 3 - Technopark | |Silicon Graphics Computer Systems| D-85630 Grasbrunn-Neukeferloh, FRG| |---------------------------------| Phone: (+int) 89 46108-179 or -0 | |http://reality.sgi.com/knobi | Fax: (+int) 89 46107-179 | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |e-mail: | VM: 6-333-8197 | M/S: IDE-3150 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon May 12 09:38:14 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA21192; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:38:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA10244 for linux-list; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:38:06 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA10224 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:38:02 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id JAA19307 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:37:43 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14239; Mon, 12 May 1997 11:23:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:23:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199705121623.LAA14239@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705120019.UAA13036@neon.ingenia.ca> (message from Mike Shaver on Sun, 11 May 1997 20:19:58 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Almost there... X-Windows: You'll envy the dead. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 259 Lines: 8 > In case anyone else is working on this (Miguel? You get your box > yet?), these are the ones that it's complaining about: the machine is now back on Mountain View, and should have been shipped to the american embassy office in the US on friday. Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon May 12 09:31:46 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA20413; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:31:45 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA07833 for linux-list; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:31:08 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA07781 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:31:01 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id JAA17180 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:30:52 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14272; Mon, 12 May 1997 11:25:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:25:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199705121625.LAA14272@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca CC: davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705120056.UAA14117@neon.ingenia.ca> (message from Mike Shaver on Sun, 11 May 1997 20:56:15 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Almost there... X-Unix: is friendly, it is just selective about who its friends are. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 379 Lines: 12 > > Nope he didn't, import laws in Mexico got the machine before he did... > > Is that a permanent failure, or just Yet Another Bureaucratic > Delay(tm)? the machine went back to the US after the customs episode. Now we are now going to bring the machine trough the embassy (no way the customs will ever have a chance to touch it), should be here real soon now :-). Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon May 12 09:33:42 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA20840; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:33:42 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA08747 for linux-list; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:33:30 -0700 Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com (xtp.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.34]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA08734 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:33:28 -0700 Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id JAA23954; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:33:26 -0700 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9705120933.ZM23952@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:33:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: "David S. Miller" "Re: Almost there..." (May 11, 11:34pm) References: <199705120334.XAA11599@jenolan.caipgeneral> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: "David S. Miller" , lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Almost there... Cc: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 76 Lines: 3 restores my faith in the power of the human spirit (over the dark side). g From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon May 12 09:36:32 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA16013; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:36:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA09683 for linux-list; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:36:22 -0700 Received: from morgaine.engr.sgi.com (morgaine.engr.sgi.com [130.62.16.64]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA09675 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:36:20 -0700 Received: (from offer@localhost) by morgaine.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA21638 for linux@cthulhu; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:35:50 -0700 From: offer@sgi.com (richard offer) Message-Id: <9705120935.ZM21644@sgi.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:35:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: Miguel de Icaza "Re: Almost there..." (May 12, 11:25am) References: <199705121625.LAA14272@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> X-Signature: Automatically generated by Richards Own Mail Signer (roms) X-Home-Page: http://reality.sgi.com/offer X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Almost there... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 767 Lines: 28 * $ from miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx at "12-May:11:25am" | sed "1,$s/^/* /" * * * * > > Nope he didn't, import laws in Mexico got the machine before he did... * > * > Is that a permanent failure, or just Yet Another Bureaucratic * > Delay(tm)? * * the machine went back to the US after the customs episode. Now we are * now going to bring the machine trough the embassy (no way the customs * will ever have a chance to touch it), should be here real soon now * :-). I see a whole new story, "SGI smuggles low-end machines to Mexico...." * * Miguel. * richard. ______________________________________________________________________ Life isn't fair, it just happens to be fairer than death. William Goldman: "The Princess Bride". From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 15 05:10:31 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA22823; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:10:31 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA25461 for linux-list; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:09:44 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA25445 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:09:37 -0700 Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de [194.221.49.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id FAA00643 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:06:53 -0700 env-from (ralf@Julia.DE) Received: from pris.intern.julia.de (pris.intern.julia.de [194.221.49.37]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA30316; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:05:42 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by pris.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00312; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:52:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199705151152.NAA00312@pris.intern.julia.de> Subject: Re: .36 progresss To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:52:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705110039.UAA04501@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 10, 97 08:39:45 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 245 Lines: 7 [stuff about too many compilation errors in .36 ...] I've fixed most of the problems in my .37 tree. An Indy kernel will build now. More testing will be done when I receive my Indy. Until then I'll just counting backwards slowly ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 15 05:30:14 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA04340; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:30:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA28593 for linux-list; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:29:31 -0700 Received: from sgiger.munich.sgi.com (sgiger.munich.sgi.com [144.253.192.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA28570 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:29:22 -0700 Received: from knobi.munich.sgi.com by sgiger.munich.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI) id OAA27150; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:29:11 +0200 Received: from knobi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobi.munich.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951220.SGI.AUTOCF.knobi) via SMTP id OAA12588; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:29:06 +0200 Message-ID: <337B0192.63DE@munich.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:29:06 +0200 From: Martin Knoblauch Organization: Silicon Graphics GmbH, Am-Hochacker 3, D-85630 Grasbrunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralf Baechle CC: Mike Shaver , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: .36 progresss References: <199705151152.NAA00312@pris.intern.julia.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 967 Lines: 24 Ralf Baechle wrote: > > [stuff about too many compilation errors in .36 ...] > > I've fixed most of the problems in my .37 tree. An Indy kernel > will build now. More testing will be done when I receive my > Indy. Until then I'll just counting backwards slowly ... > > Ralf you are down to "1". Martin -- +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |Martin Knoblauch | Silicon Graphics GmbH | |Manager Technical Marketing | Am Hochacker 3 - Technopark | |Silicon Graphics Computer Systems| D-85630 Grasbrunn-Neukeferloh, FRG| |---------------------------------| Phone: (+int) 89 46108-179 or -0 | |http://reality.sgi.com/knobi | Fax: (+int) 89 46107-179 | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |e-mail: | VM: 6-333-8197 | M/S: IDE-3150 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 15 05:50:04 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA02491; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:50:04 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA01672 for linux-list; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:49:42 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA01664 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:49:40 -0700 Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de [194.221.49.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id FAA05379 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:46:04 -0700 env-from (ralf@Julia.DE) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA30816; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:45:01 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA06555; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:40:48 +0200 Message-Id: <199705151240.OAA06555@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: .36 progresss To: knobi@munich.sgi.com (Martin Knoblauch) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:40:48 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <337B0192.63DE@munich.sgi.com> from "Martin Knoblauch" at May 15, 97 02:29:06 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 502 Lines: 19 Hi, > > [stuff about too many compilation errors in .36 ...] > > > > I've fixed most of the problems in my .37 tree. An Indy kernel > > will build now. More testing will be done when I receive my > > Indy. Until then I'll just counting backwards slowly ... > > > > Ralf > > > you are down to "1". Sounds like you're delivering by parachute drop ;-) Btw, will anybody on this list (aside of David ...) be on the Linux Kongress in Wuerzburg next week? Would be nice to meet there. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 15 06:11:24 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA22682; Thu, 15 May 1997 06:11:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA04326 for linux-list; Thu, 15 May 1997 06:10:43 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA04321 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 06:10:37 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id GAA08826 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 06:10:36 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA19520; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:21:45 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705151321.JAA19520@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: .36 progresss In-Reply-To: <199705151152.NAA00312@pris.intern.julia.de> from Ralf Baechle at "May 15, 97 01:52:15 pm" To: ralf@Julia.DE (Ralf Baechle) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 598 Lines: 17 Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > I've fixed most of the problems in my .37 tree. An Indy kernel will build > now. More testing will be done when I receive my Indy. Until then I'll > just counting backwards slowly ... Cool! Can I get my hands on a source tree? Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Welcome to the technocracy. #> #> "you'd be so disappointed #> to find out that the magic was not #> really meant for you" - OLP From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 15 07:14:34 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA04888; Thu, 15 May 1997 07:14:34 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA15944 for linux-list; Thu, 15 May 1997 07:13:51 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA15935 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 07:13:49 -0700 Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de [194.221.49.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA20179 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 07:03:29 -0700 env-from (ralf@Julia.DE) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA31686; Thu, 15 May 1997 15:01:59 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA06639; Thu, 15 May 1997 15:57:47 +0200 Message-Id: <199705151357.PAA06639@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: .36 progresss To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:57:47 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ralf@Julia.DE, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705151321.JAA19520@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 15, 97 09:21:45 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 346 Lines: 13 Hi, > Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > > I've fixed most of the problems in my .37 tree. An Indy kernel will build > > now. More testing will be done when I receive my Indy. Until then I'll > > just counting backwards slowly ... > > Cool! > Can I get my hands on a source tree? RSN on a FTP Server near you. Maybe even linux.sgi.com ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 20 19:55:48 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA13020; Tue, 20 May 1997 19:55:47 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA03857 for linux-list; Tue, 20 May 1997 19:55:44 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA03843 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 19:55:38 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id TAA04704 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 19:55:30 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA22462; Wed, 21 May 1997 04:51:41 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705210251.EAA22462@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id EAA13671; Wed, 21 May 1997 04:51:39 +0200 Subject: Binutils for IRIX To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 04:51:38 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 709 Lines: 22 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all, I'm uploading crosscompiler binaries of the GNU binutils 2.7 for little and big endian targets to ftp.fnet.fr and kernel.panic.julia.de. The binaries have been built on IRIX 6.2 for the o32 ABI. Ralf 85ec2b4e9e059c6ba0e0a1bcddc2a5ec mips-sgi-irix6.2/mips-linux/binutils-2.7-4.tar.gz 51ac173c805d82fba82c430f094787ff mips-sgi-irix6.2/mipsel-linux/binutils-2.7-4.tar.gz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAgUBM4JjN0ckbl6vezDBAQEGyAP/dGtICrAiuGfixDtFQaxj2U2Trt7chfEH rMMQhnRI7DQ8Oc8Qa97hrJVTmvLsHns8KiO4RI3am0af0z2MTFV2GCMR46f2+sR5 IwlreIDh+v0l8tm5cDDOV1xg1zI0fVMXnC7w20o7yeJn/SnM6WeA6Fpus/EsJoAa Q8VIAd5qS90= =YKhT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 22 11:58:01 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA12187; Thu, 22 May 1997 11:58:01 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA00866 for linux-list; Thu, 22 May 1997 11:57:24 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA00846 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 11:57:21 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA29173 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 11:57:16 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA15629 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Thu, 22 May 1997 15:13:56 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705221913.PAA15629@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: small world To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:13:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1382 Lines: 28 Just had a sales guy in here sorting out the details on a project we're working on, and it looks like we're going to have a nice plump Origin 200 in here very shortly. Along with that comes a development/scratch box, probably an O2 or a Challenge DM, which might be diverted towards The Cause if I ask nicely enough. Anyway, I recall Larry mentioning way back when that people were interested in organizations that saw Linux availability as an incentive to purchase; It looks like we might be one of those organizations, if this goes through as expected. (SGI Canada has been after us, off and on, for a fair while now, and they're pretty excited about this project.) Is there anything I should be doing specifically to further your internal sales efforts? Put the account exec in touch with Ariel/Larry/whomever? Also, I'm going to be in San Jose the week of the SGI Developers' Forum, and the SGI Canada guys may be sponsoring my attendance. Will any of this list's denizens be around? I'd love to put faces to the names... Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Commando Developer - Whatever It Takes #> #> "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like #> Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." - Linus Torvalds From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat May 24 20:26:41 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA19578; Sat, 24 May 1997 20:26:41 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA24699 for linux-list; Sat, 24 May 1997 20:25:23 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA24692 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 20:25:19 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id UAA26732 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 20:25:04 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA13934; Sun, 25 May 1997 05:21:08 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705250321.FAA13934@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id FAA24010; Sun, 25 May 1997 05:21:07 +0200 Subject: Re: small world To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 05:21:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705221913.PAA15629@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 22, 97 03:13:56 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1350 Lines: 30 Hi, > Just had a sales guy in here sorting out the details on a project > we're working on, and it looks like we're going to have a nice plump > Origin 200 in here very shortly. Along with that comes a > development/scratch box, probably an O2 or a Challenge DM, which might > be diverted towards The Cause if I ask nicely enough. > > Anyway, I recall Larry mentioning way back when that people were > interested in organizations that saw Linux availability as an > incentive to purchase; It looks like we might be one of those > organizations, if this goes through as expected. (SGI Canada has been > after us, off and on, for a fair while now, and they're pretty excited > about this project.) Is there anything I should be doing specifically > to further your internal sales efforts? Put the account exec in touch > with Ariel/Larry/whomever? During the last days I was talking with with Jon "Maddog" Hall, DEC's UNIX systems senior engineer. He also mentioned that Linux helped them to sell more DEC UNIX systems than before. > Also, I'm going to be in San Jose the week of the SGI Developers' > Forum, and the SGI Canada guys may be sponsoring my attendance. Will > any of this list's denizens be around? I'd love to put faces to the > names... Well, I won't be there unless some bird drops a ticket in front of my door ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun May 25 09:18:04 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA16123; Sun, 25 May 1997 09:18:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA18323 for linux-list; Sun, 25 May 1997 09:16:45 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA18309 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 09:16:37 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id JAA10205 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 09:16:31 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24974; Sun, 25 May 1997 18:12:40 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705251612.SAA24974@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id SAA24302; Sun, 25 May 1997 18:12:39 +0200 Subject: Cross-GCC for IRIX 6.2 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 18:12:38 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 562 Lines: 21 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, I've uploaded cross-compiler binaries for IRIX 6.2 to ftp.fnet.fr and kernel.panic.julia.de. Ralf d27482ba58b2543d4bda756b180da1d1 mips-linux/gcc-2.7.2-4.tar.gz ce3e8931cef63ef4c87e2c78acddff2b mipsel-linux/gcc-2.7.2-4.tar.gz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAgUBM4hk9Eckbl6vezDBAQEM6AP+I7SauhXfxrDxXedHht6uAGnIG06e1bbS /6xKlIJl0Hj689LWudZ5/+U4zsC8v/cy0RlKG/A3N/qN7BOViYQMTfB/yqlS1oLE LjAggWgQkQ6jiigCLNW6SSzO7lqtEBKOmUVmdYB4OgyLTcZKpIDIGfMExqsWYEm9 C/Tuz6fuaZ8= =K/nI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon May 26 00:49:39 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA16200; Mon, 26 May 1997 00:49:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA18885 for linux-list; Mon, 26 May 1997 00:48:11 -0700 Received: from sgiger.munich.sgi.com (sgiger.munich.sgi.com [144.253.192.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA18861 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 00:48:07 -0700 Received: from knobi.munich.sgi.com by sgiger.munich.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI) id JAA03869; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:48:04 +0200 Received: from knobi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobi.munich.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951220.SGI.AUTOCF.knobi) via SMTP id JAA11186; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:48:01 +0200 Message-ID: <33894031.446B@munich.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 09:48:01 +0200 From: Martin Knoblauch Organization: Silicon Graphics GmbH, Am-Hochacker 3, D-85630 Grasbrunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Shaver CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: small world References: <199705221913.PAA15629@neon.ingenia.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1125 Lines: 27 Mike Shaver wrote: > > > Also, I'm going to be in San Jose the week of the SGI Developers' > Forum, and the SGI Canada guys may be sponsoring my attendance. Will > any of this list's denizens be around? I'd love to put faces to the > names... > > Mike > I'll definitely be there. Maybe we can have some kind of Linux meeting around the event. Martin -- Check out the DevForum 97 !!!! (http://www.sgi.com/Forum97/) If you miss it, you'll never forgive yourself :-) +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |Martin Knoblauch | Silicon Graphics GmbH | |Manager Technical Marketing | Am Hochacker 3 - Technopark | |Silicon Graphics Computer Systems| D-85630 Grasbrunn-Neukeferloh, FRG| |---------------------------------| Phone: (+int) 89 46108-179 or -0 | |http://reality.sgi.com/knobi | Fax: (+int) 89 46107-179 | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |e-mail: | VM: 6-333-8197 | M/S: IDE-3150 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon May 26 20:02:46 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA10425; Mon, 26 May 1997 20:02:46 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA19001 for linux-list; Mon, 26 May 1997 20:01:36 -0700 Received: from heaven.newport.sgi.com (heaven.newport.sgi.com [169.238.102.134]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA18991 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 20:01:30 -0700 Received: by heaven.newport.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for linux@cthulhu.engr id UAA15286; Mon, 26 May 1997 20:01:29 -0700 From: "Christopher W. Carlson" Message-Id: <9705262001.ZM15284@heaven.newport.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 20:01:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: Ralf Baechle "Re: small world" (May 25, 5:21am) References: <199705250321.FAA13934@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: small world Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1313 Lines: 36 On May 25, 5:21am, Ralf Baechle wrote: > Subject: Re: small world > Hi, > > During the last days I was talking with with Jon "Maddog" Hall, DEC's > UNIX systems senior engineer. He also mentioned that Linux helped them > to sell more DEC UNIX systems than before. > > > Also, I'm going to be in San Jose the week of the SGI Developers' > > Forum, and the SGI Canada guys may be sponsoring my attendance. Will > > any of this list's denizens be around? I'd love to put faces to the > > names... > > Well, I won't be there unless some bird drops a ticket in front of my > door ... > > Ralf >-- End of excerpt from Ralf Baechle Well, I'll be there. I'll be the room meister for the main hall. Also, I'm pretty sure Martin Knoblauch will be there from Germany. -- Chris Carlson +------------------------------------------------------+ | Also, carlson@sgi.com | | Work: (714) 756-5976 SGI vmail: 678-4530 | | FAX: (714) 833-9503 | | | | Trivia fact: an electroencephalogram shows that a | | human brain and a bowl of quivering lime Jell-O have | | the same waves. [Time Magazine, Mar 17, 1997] | +------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 12:30:05 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA09469; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:30:05 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA05915 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:29:47 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA05904 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:29:44 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA26886 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:29:38 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA21206 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:19:29 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705271919.PAA21206@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: strace/truss equiv? To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:19:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 483 Lines: 15 OK, I'll bite. What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX? I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is finding the static libs. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Linux: because every cycle counts. #> #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com #> "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 12:42:02 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA04203; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:42:01 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA08245 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:41:14 -0700 Received: from cat.montreal.sgi.com (cat.montreal.sgi.com [169.238.227.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA08225 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:41:12 -0700 Received: from sax (sax.urbana.sgi.com [169.238.233.5]) by cat.montreal.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA25266; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:41:04 -0400 Message-ID: <338B37E3.6EEA@sgi.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 14:37:07 -0500 From: Luc Chouinard Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Shaver CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: strace/truss equiv? References: <199705271919.PAA21206@neon.ingenia.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 570 Lines: 22 par -ilsSSN open Mike Shaver wrote: > > OK, I'll bite. > What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX? > > I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world > binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is > finding the static libs. > > Mike > > -- > #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation > #> Linux: because every cycle counts. > #> > #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com > #> "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu -- Luc From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 12:42:49 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA11239; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:42:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA08505 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:42:33 -0700 Received: from machine.engr.sgi.com (machine.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.20]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA08496; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:42:31 -0700 Received: (from jes@localhost) by machine.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA11080; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:42:31 -0700 From: jes@machine.engr.sgi.com (John E. Schimmel) Message-Id: <199705271942.MAA11080@machine.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: strace/truss equiv? To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 12:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705271919.PAA21206@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 27, 97 03:19:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1013 Lines: 27 > > OK, I'll bite. > What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX? > > I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world > binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is > finding the static libs. > > Mike > > -- > #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation > #> Linux: because every cycle counts. > #> > #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com > #> "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu > The equivelant is par. You may also want to take a look at elfdump which will tell you what libraries you are linked with, etc. -------------------------------------------------------------- John E. Schimmel Email: jes@sgi.com KD6MNW Voice: (415)933-4116 Silicon Graphics Inc. Fax: (415)933-0513 http://reality.sgi.com/jes Cellular: (209)988-1549 -------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 12:46:03 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA08375; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:46:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA09449 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:45:55 -0700 Received: from heaven.newport.sgi.com (heaven.newport.sgi.com [169.238.102.134]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA09438 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:45:53 -0700 Received: by heaven.newport.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com id MAA17125; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:45:52 -0700 From: "Christopher W. Carlson" Message-Id: <9705271245.ZM17123@heaven.newport.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 12:45:52 -0700 In-Reply-To: Mike Shaver "strace/truss equiv?" (May 27, 3:19pm) References: <199705271919.PAA21206@neon.ingenia.ca> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: strace/truss equiv? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1315 Lines: 37 On May 27, 3:19pm, Mike Shaver wrote: > Subject: strace/truss equiv? > OK, I'll bite. > What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX? > > I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world > binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is > finding the static libs. > > Mike > > -- > #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation > #> Linux: because every cycle counts. > #> > #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com > #> "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu >-- End of excerpt from Mike Shaver You can also do some interesting things with rld (see the man page) which will cause it to print out the libraries it is loading as a program is started. -- Chris Carlson +------------------------------------------------------+ | Also, carlson@sgi.com | | Work: (714) 756-5976 SGI vmail: 678-4530 | | FAX: (714) 833-9503 | | | | Trivia fact: an electroencephalogram shows that a | | human brain and a bowl of quivering lime Jell-O have | | the same waves. [Time Magazine, Mar 17, 1997] | +------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 12:49:08 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA11273; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:49:08 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA09974 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:48:59 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA09964; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:48:58 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA07850; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:48:37 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199705271948.MAA07850@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: strace/truss equiv? To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705271919.PAA21206@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 27, 97 03:19:29 pm Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 828 Lines: 26 : :OK, I'll bite. :What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX? : :I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world :binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is :finding the static libs. : :Mike : As Luc mentioned, you may use 'par' the advantages are that it has many more features and almost no overhead. One notable disadvantage however (especially for userland debugging) is that it uses some special kernel services for async event notifications so its trace output is asynchronous to the traced process. I guess you would prefer 'strace' to 'par' (like I do) you may get a precompiled binary for IRIX at: http://reality.sgi.com/ariel/freeware/ Note that this version doesn't support tracing 64-bit binaries. Thank David Miller for making strace work under 6.x. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 13:10:14 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA08600; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:10:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA14217 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:09:22 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA14193; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:09:15 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA08172; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:09:10 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA21739; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:01:19 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705272001.QAA21739@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: strace/truss equiv? In-Reply-To: <199705271942.MAA11080@machine.engr.sgi.com> from "John E. Schimmel" at "May 27, 97 12:42:30 pm" To: jes@machine.engr.sgi.com (John E. Schimmel) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 750 Lines: 18 Thus spake John E. Schimmel: > The equivelant is par. You may also want to take a look at > elfdump which will tell you what libraries you are linked with, etc. par was what I was looking for. elfdump doesn't seem to tell me anything about the -b mips-linux stuff. Oversight on SGI's part, no doubt. =) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Resident Linux bigot and kernel hacker. (OOPS!) #> `If you get bitten by a bug, tough luck...the one thing I won't do #> is feel sorry for you. In fact, I might ask you to do it all over #> again, just to get more information. I'm a heartless bastard.' #> -- Linus Torvalds (on development kernels) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 13:41:24 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA13731; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:41:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA20943 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:41:10 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA20926 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:41:08 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA17607 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:41:01 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA12797; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:37:12 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705272037.WAA12797@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id WAA07439; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:37:11 +0200 Subject: Re: strace/truss equiv? To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:37:11 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705271919.PAA21206@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 27, 97 03:19:29 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 758 Lines: 21 > OK, I'll bite. > What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX? > > I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world > binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is > finding the static libs. The GNU linker has a verbose option which will make it print all the files as it tries to open them. Check the docs. You should have /mips-linux/lib/libc.so (A linker script) /mips-linux/lib/libc.so.6 (A symlink to the acutal shlib) /mips-linux/lib/libc-.so (The actual shared library image) /mips-linux/lib/libc.a (The static libc) Note that libc.so is an ASCII file containing a short linker script unlike Linux libc. Does that help? Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 13:52:39 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA14062; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:52:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA23563 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:52:21 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA23548 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:52:18 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA22908 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:52:17 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA22211; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:50:38 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705272050.QAA22211@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: strace/truss equiv? In-Reply-To: <199705272037.WAA12797@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from Ralf Baechle at "May 27, 97 10:37:11 pm" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Ralf Baechle) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 979 Lines: 26 Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > The GNU linker has a verbose option which will make it print all the > files as it tries to open them. Check the docs. You should have > > /mips-linux/lib/libc.so (A linker script) This was missing, due to some oh-so-clever things I'd done while transferring the libs onto the Indy. All is better now, and I've built apache. =) Once I find a pristine source archive of the net-tools (proving surprisingly difficult, since I have a memory like a sieve), I'll try and get it serving pages. Does anyone have a penguin-plus-SGI-cube logo yet, or should I get someone here to whip it up? =) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Welcome to the technocracy. #> #> "you'd be so disappointed #> to find out that the magic was not #> really meant for you" - OLP From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 14:04:13 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA14634; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:04:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA27420 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:03:00 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA27400 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:02:58 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA26048 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:02:50 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA16196; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:59:03 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705272059.WAA16196@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id WAA07481; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:59:00 +0200 Subject: Re: strace/truss equiv? To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:58:59 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705272050.QAA22211@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 27, 97 04:50:38 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 396 Lines: 13 Hi, > All is better now, and I've built apache. =) > Once I find a pristine source archive of the net-tools (proving > surprisingly difficult, since I have a memory like a sieve), I'll try > and get it serving pages. > > Does anyone have a penguin-plus-SGI-cube logo yet, or should I get > someone here to whip it up? =) Would be great to have one. Any talented artists on this list? Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 14:07:40 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA14788; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:07:40 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA28763 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:07:32 -0700 Received: from procyon.corp.sgi.com (procyon.corp.sgi.com [150.166.115.120]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA28749 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:07:30 -0700 Received: by procyon.corp.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com id OAA08916; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:07:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 14:07:29 -0700 From: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito) Message-Id: <9705271407.ZM8914@procyon.corp.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: Ralf Baechle "Re: strace/truss equiv?" (May 27, 10:58pm) References: <199705272059.WAA16196@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: strace/truss equiv? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 972 Lines: 32 On May 27, 10:58pm, Ralf Baechle wrote: > Subject: Re: strace/truss equiv? > Hi, > > > All is better now, and I've built apache. =) > > Once I find a pristine source archive of the net-tools (proving > > surprisingly difficult, since I have a memory like a sieve), I'll try > > and get it serving pages. > > > > Does anyone have a penguin-plus-SGI-cube logo yet, or should I get > > someone here to whip it up? =) > > Would be great to have one. Any talented artists on this list? Oooh, cool... If noone objects, I'd like to take a stab at it. Consider it my small, pitiful, insignificant contribution to the SGI-Linux project. -Seth "Not so bad with Photoshop, if I do say so myself" Morabito -- -- Seth Morabito | Silicon Graphics | sethm@corp.sgi.com | (415) 933-7044 "I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Lisp has all the visual appeal of oatmeal with fingernail clippings mixed in. (Other than that, it's quite a nice language.)" -- Larry Wall From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 14:54:06 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA15574; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:54:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA12156 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:53:24 -0700 Received: from procyon.corp.sgi.com (procyon.corp.sgi.com [150.166.115.120]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA12132 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:53:19 -0700 Received: by procyon.corp.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com id OAA09080; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:53:19 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 14:53:19 -0700 From: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito) Message-Id: <9705271453.ZM9078@procyon.corp.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) "Re: strace/truss equiv?" (May 27, 2:09pm) References: <199705272109.OAA15204@neteng.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 570 Lines: 18 Hey folks, Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos. Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html Anyone who'd like to send me their own Logo creation and a quick snippet of text about it, feel free to do so, and I'll add them to this page. -Seth -- -- Seth Morabito | Silicon Graphics | sethm@corp.sgi.com | (415) 933-7044 "I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Lisp has all the visual appeal of oatmeal with fingernail clippings mixed in. (Other than that, it's quite a nice language.)" -- Larry Wall From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 15:15:53 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA18118; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:15:53 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA18452 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:15:12 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA18419 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:15:10 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA22868 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:15:08 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA04329; Tue, 27 May 1997 18:01:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 18:01:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Seth Morabito cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) In-Reply-To: <9705271453.ZM9078@procyon.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 491 Lines: 18 On Tue, 27 May 1997, Seth Morabito wrote: > Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos. > Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html Aw... too bad it's not reachable from the outside. I'd be _happy_ to provide WWW space for it on the outside. - Alex Alex deVries National Capital Marathon _finisher_ System Administrator 4 hours, 43 minutes and 53 seconds The EngSoc Project of pain. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 15:18:22 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA17403; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:18:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA19218 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:18:10 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA19206 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:18:07 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA24200 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:18:03 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA27149; Wed, 28 May 1997 00:14:15 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705272214.AAA27149@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id AAA07650; Wed, 28 May 1997 00:14:13 +0200 Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) To: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:14:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <9705271453.ZM9078@procyon.corp.sgi.com> from "Seth Morabito" at May 27, 97 02:53:19 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 393 Lines: 11 > Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos. > Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html > > Anyone who'd like to send me their own Logo creation and a quick > snippet of text about it, feel free to do so, and I'll add them to > this page. Could you move the pages to a server that can be reached from outside sgi.com? Thanks, Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 15:21:12 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA04722; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:21:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA19967 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:21:02 -0700 Received: from procyon.corp.sgi.com (procyon.corp.sgi.com [150.166.115.120]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA19941 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:20:58 -0700 Received: by procyon.corp.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com id PAA09214; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:20:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:20:57 -0700 From: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito) Message-Id: <9705271520.ZM9212@procyon.corp.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: Alex deVries "Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)" (May 27, 6:01pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 719 Lines: 24 On May 27, 6:01pm, Alex deVries wrote: > Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) > > On Tue, 27 May 1997, Seth Morabito wrote: > > Aw... too bad it's not reachable from the outside. > > I'd be _happy_ to provide WWW space for it on the outside. > > - Alex > Oops... sorry everyone on the outside world! I'll be forwarding the page to Alex so he can put them on his outside server. He'll have more details in a little while! -Seth -- Seth Morabito | Silicon Graphics | sethm@corp.sgi.com | (415) 933-7044 "I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Lisp has all the visual appeal of oatmeal with fingernail clippings mixed in. (Other than that, it's quite a nice language.)" -- Larry Wall From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 15:38:06 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA18980; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:38:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA24652 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:35:58 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA24643 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:35:55 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA29265 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:35:54 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA23292; Tue, 27 May 1997 18:34:11 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705272234.SAA23292@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) In-Reply-To: <199705272214.AAA27149@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from Ralf Baechle at "May 28, 97 00:14:12 am" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Ralf Baechle) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 18:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 817 Lines: 21 Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > > Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos. > > Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html > > > > Anyone who'd like to send me their own Logo creation and a quick > > snippet of text about it, feel free to do so, and I'll add them to > > this page. > > Could you move the pages to a server that can be reached from outside > sgi.com? Thanks, http://neon.ingenia.ca/sgi-linux/logos/ Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Commando Developer - Whatever It Takes #> #> "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like #> Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." - Linus Torvalds From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 19:46:52 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA16185; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:46:52 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA26049 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:46:19 -0700 Received: from refugee.engr.sgi.com (refugee.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.22]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA26044 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:46:18 -0700 Received: from refugee.engr.sgi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by refugee.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/970502.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA08534; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705280245.TAA08534@refugee.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Alistair Lambie" Cc: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) In-reply-to: Message from alambie@wellington.sgi.com of 28 May 1997 11:19:51 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:45:55 -0700 From: Steve Alexander Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 246 Lines: 11 "Alistair Lambie" writes: >The second one should be 'Powered by SGI! Can we get the logo to spin....that >would be cool! I like the first one, myself. Nothing warms a frosted penguin butt like an R10K. -- Steve From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 16:21:24 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA22959; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:21:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA05986 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:20:18 -0700 Received: from soyuz.wellington.sgi.com (soyuz.wellington.sgi.com [134.14.64.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA05915 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:20:12 -0700 Received: from windy.wellington.sgi.com by soyuz.wellington.sgi.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id LAA12125; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:19:52 +1200 Received: (alambie@localhost) by windy.wellington.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA06580; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:19:52 +1200 From: "Alistair Lambie" Message-Id: <9705281119.ZM6589@windy.wellington.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:19:51 +0000 In-Reply-To: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito) "Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)" (May 28, 9:54am) References: <199705272109.OAA15204@neteng.engr.sgi.com> <9705271453.ZM9078@procyon.corp.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 602 Lines: 19 On May 28, 9:54am, Seth Morabito wrote: > Subject: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) > Hey folks, > > Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos. > Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html > The second one should be 'Powered by SGI! Can we get the logo to spin....that would be cool! Cheers, Alistair -- Alistair Lambie alambie@wellington.sgi.com Silicon Graphics New Zealand SGI Voicemail: 56791 Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower, Ph: +64-4-802 1455 94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ Fax: +64-4-802 1459 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 07:29:41 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA01389; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:29:40 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA00021 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:29:24 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA29999 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:29:21 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA04295 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:29:20 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA28006 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:04:46 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705281404.KAA28006@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: gmake? To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:04:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 576 Lines: 15 Anyone got a GNU make binary floating around? I've been unable to find one on /private/dm, /ariel/freeware or billh's anon ftp list. If no-one else has one, I'll build it and stick it somewhere visible. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Chief System Architect -- will tame sendmail(8) for food #> #> "You are a very perverse individual, and I think I'd like to get to #> know you better." --- eric@reference.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 07:44:56 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA01931; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:44:55 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA03500 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:44:07 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA03483 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:44:04 -0700 Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de [194.221.49.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA09130 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:44:01 -0700 env-from (ralf@Julia.DE) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05241; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:39:40 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA31633; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:36:54 +0200 Message-Id: <199705281436.QAA31633@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: gmake? To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:36:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705281404.KAA28006@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 28, 97 10:04:46 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 440 Lines: 14 > Anyone got a GNU make binary floating around? > > I've been unable to find one on /private/dm, /ariel/freeware or > billh's anon ftp list. > > If no-one else has one, I'll build it and stick it somewhere visible. GNU make builds out of the box for IRIX 6.2. I don't have my Indy here, but I can make the binaries available if anyone needs them. Just tell me. Looks you're just about to try to compile the kernel or libc :-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 07:53:43 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA02023; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:53:42 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA06571 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:53:30 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA06553 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:53:28 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA12333 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:53:27 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA28334; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:44:50 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705281444.KAA28334@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: gmake? In-Reply-To: <199705281436.QAA31633@kernel.panic.julia.de> from Ralf Baechle at "May 28, 97 04:36:53 pm" To: ralf@Julia.DE (Ralf Baechle) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 856 Lines: 22 Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > GNU make builds out of the box for IRIX 6.2. I don't have my Indy here, > but I can make the binaries available if anyone needs them. Just tell > me. The lovely Martin K just sent me a gmake 3.75 binary, and it works like a charm. > Looks you're just about to try to compile the kernel or libc :-) glibc, yup. (Still don't have the 2.1.{3[789],4[01]} source tree, hint, hint. =) ) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Resident Linux bigot and kernel hacker. (OOPS!) #> `If you get bitten by a bug, tough luck...the one thing I won't do #> is feel sorry for you. In fact, I might ask you to do it all over #> again, just to get more information. I'm a heartless bastard.' #> -- Linus Torvalds (on development kernels) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 19:49:02 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA15366; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:49:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA26533 for linux-list; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:48:54 -0700 Received: from soyuz.wellington.sgi.com (soyuz.wellington.sgi.com [134.14.64.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA26527 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:48:51 -0700 Received: from windy.wellington.sgi.com by soyuz.wellington.sgi.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id OAA13676; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:48:40 +1200 Received: (alambie@localhost) by windy.wellington.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA06832; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:48:39 +1200 From: "Alistair Lambie" Message-Id: <9705281448.ZM6814@windy.wellington.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:48:38 +0000 In-Reply-To: Steve Alexander "Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)" (May 28, 2:47pm) References: <199705280245.TAA08534@refugee.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: Steve Alexander Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) Cc: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 667 Lines: 21 On May 28, 2:47pm, Steve Alexander wrote: > Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) > "Alistair Lambie" writes: > >The second one should be 'Powered by SGI! Can we get the logo to spin....that > >would be cool! > > I like the first one, myself. > > Nothing warms a frosted penguin butt like an R10K. > Maybe we need a version with the penguin in the cage! 'SGI tames Linux'?? Alistair -- Alistair Lambie alambie@wellington.sgi.com Silicon Graphics New Zealand SGI Voicemail: 56791 Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower, Ph: +64-4-802 1455 94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ Fax: +64-4-802 1459 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 07:49:52 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA01971; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:49:51 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA05057 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:49:41 -0700 Received: from sgiger.munich.sgi.com (sgiger.munich.sgi.com [144.253.192.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA04997 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:49:23 -0700 Received: from knobi.munich.sgi.com by sgiger.munich.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI) id QAA15533; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:49:06 +0200 Received: from knobi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobi.munich.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951220.SGI.AUTOCF.knobi) via SMTP id QAA26411; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:49:03 +0200 Message-ID: <338C45DF.63DE@munich.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:49:03 +0200 From: Martin Knoblauch Organization: Silicon Graphics GmbH, Am-Hochacker 3, D-85630 Grasbrunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralf Baechle CC: Mike Shaver , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: gmake? References: <199705281436.QAA31633@kernel.panic.julia.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1341 Lines: 33 Ralf Baechle wrote: > > > Anyone got a GNU make binary floating around? > > > > I've been unable to find one on /private/dm, /ariel/freeware or > > billh's anon ftp list. > > > > If no-one else has one, I'll build it and stick it > somewhere visible. > > GNU make builds out of the box for IRIX 6.2. I don't have my > Indy here, but I can make the binaries available if anyone needs > them. Just tell me. > > Looks you're just about to try to compile the kernel or libc :-) > > Ralf We already solved the issue :-) Dave has my copy of 3.75. Martin -- Check out the DevForum 97 !!!! (http://www.sgi.com/Forum97/) If you miss it, you'll never forgive yourself. Neither will I :-) +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |Martin Knoblauch | Silicon Graphics GmbH | |Manager Technical Marketing | Am Hochacker 3 - Technopark | |Silicon Graphics Computer Systems| D-85630 Grasbrunn-Neukeferloh, FRG| |---------------------------------| Phone: (+int) 89 46108-179 or -0 | |http://reality.sgi.com/knobi | Fax: (+int) 89 46107-179 | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |e-mail: | VM: 6-333-8197 | M/S: IDE-3150 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 07:54:32 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA02029; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:54:31 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA06790 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:54:04 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA06780 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:54:02 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA12526 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 07:54:02 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA28458; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:52:21 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705281452.KAA28458@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: gmake? In-Reply-To: <338C45DF.63DE@munich.sgi.com> from Martin Knoblauch at "May 28, 97 04:49:03 pm" To: knobi@munich.sgi.com (Martin Knoblauch) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 560 Lines: 17 Thus spake Martin Knoblauch: > We already solved the issue :-) Dave has my copy of 3.75. Psst! I'm Mike! Dave is one of the people who know what they're doing. =) Mike (flattered, though...) -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Paranoid for money. Sarcastic for kicks. #> #> "They already *KNOW* I am a whacko, Karen. #> That doesn't mean I am *WRONG*." -- mjr@clark.net From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 08:14:00 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA02291; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:14:00 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA11714 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:12:57 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA11695 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:12:55 -0700 Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de [194.221.49.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id IAA19929 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:11:58 -0700 env-from (ralf@Julia.DE) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05569; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:07:16 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA31666; Wed, 28 May 1997 17:04:30 +0200 Message-Id: <199705281504.RAA31666@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: gmake? To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:04:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ralf@Julia.DE, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705281444.KAA28334@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 28, 97 10:44:50 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 167 Lines: 8 Hi, > (Still don't have the 2.1.{3[789],4[01]} source tree, hint, hint. =) ) Uhh, ahh... I think I can upload it on Friday. .41? *grmpf* ... One to go ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 08:18:17 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA02309; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:18:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA13282 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:17:48 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA13259 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:17:44 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA10342 for linux; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:17:44 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199705281517.IAA10342@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: hardware independent hinv To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2218 Lines: 61 Just forwarding since it sounds someone hopes that Linux/MIPS will some day have a HW independent hinv... - Ariel ----- Forwarded message from Dave Olson ----- >From olson@anchor Mon May 12 13:50:21 1997 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:50:18 -0700 From: olson@anchor (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199705122050.NAA26767@anchor.engr.sgi.com> To: olson@anchor (Dave Olson), scotth@sgi.com Subject: Re: missing machfile Cc: swmgr@swmgr, breyer@swmgr, ariel@cthulhu References: <199705121525.IAA23143@swmgr.engr.sgi.com> <199705121714.KAA23773@anchor.engr.sgi.com> <199705121854.LAA18312@anchor.engr.sgi.com> | I would assume that hinv is hardware-dependent, because of the | mapping issues? Or is it table driven off of an analogue of the machtab? Still all compiled in. Bug/rfe open for years now about making it table driven. | Unfortunately, nothing better is generally available across | platforms and releases. Yes, and that's something that would be nice to fix. Maybe linux will do it, and we can copy them. | D> Lots, for any non-trivial app. They don't have to, but often want to. | | ??? Non-trivial as in "big and powerful", or as in "gets close to | the hardware"? I would argue that emacs and perl both fit the Both/either. Not all big apps, of course. | I was looking at the options to uname, specifically "-p". Based | upon the man page, shouldn't `uname -p` return "mips3" instead of | "mips" for my IP22? That is one obvious meaning for: Yes, but then you break even more of the configure scripts. Again, a no-win situation. | I was just curious is there was somehow we could make life easier | for configure scripts to port software for IRIX... On the other | hand, we generally only get bad comments about /bin/install, and at | least we *don't* get comments like: | # AIX cpp loses on an empty file, so make sure it contains at least a newline. Using cpp is a horrible solution... | It is hard to add functionality without breaking stuff. A programmer's lament, if I ever heard one! Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics Guru and busybody at large http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com ----- End of forwarded message from Dave Olson ----- -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 08:42:47 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA02534; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:42:47 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA19780 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:42:32 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA19771 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:42:30 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA10497 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:42:29 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA19757 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:42:27 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id IAA01078 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:42:27 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA28810; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:35:27 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705281535.LAA28810@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: hardware independent hinv In-Reply-To: <199705281517.IAA10342@yon.engr.sgi.com> from Ariel Faigon at "May 28, 97 08:17:44 am" To: ariel@sgi.com Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 607 Lines: 17 Thus spake Ariel Faigon: > Just forwarding since it sounds someone hopes that Linux/MIPS > will some day have a HW independent hinv... - Ariel Do they need more than the /proc stuff? Larry has a perl version of hinv that reads from /proc/whatever, I seem to recall. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Welcome to the technocracy. #> #> "you'd be so disappointed #> to find out that the magic was not #> really meant for you" - OLP From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 09:04:04 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA03047; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:04:04 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA24254 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:03:22 -0700 Received: from sgiger.munich.sgi.com (sgiger.munich.sgi.com [144.253.192.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA24172 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:03:01 -0700 Received: from knobi.munich.sgi.com by sgiger.munich.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI) id SAA18407; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:02:46 +0200 Received: from knobi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobi.munich.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951220.SGI.AUTOCF.knobi) via SMTP id SAA29799; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:02:44 +0200 Message-ID: <338C5724.6956@munich.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:02:44 +0200 From: Martin Knoblauch Organization: Silicon Graphics GmbH, Am-Hochacker 3, D-85630 Grasbrunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Shaver CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: gmake? References: <199705281452.KAA28458@neon.ingenia.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1197 Lines: 31 Mike Shaver wrote: > > Thus spake Martin Knoblauch: > > We already solved the issue :-) Dave has my copy of 3.75. > > Psst! > I'm Mike! > > Dave is one of the people who know what they're doing. =) > > Mike > (flattered, though...) > Sorry for having created positive feelings. My deepest apologize. And of course, most of the Daves I know, know what they are doing. Seems to be bound to the name. Martin -- Check out the DevForum 97 !!!! (http://www.sgi.com/Forum97/) If you miss it, you'll never forgive yourself. Neither will I :-) +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |Martin Knoblauch | Silicon Graphics GmbH | |Manager Technical Marketing | Am Hochacker 3 - Technopark | |Silicon Graphics Computer Systems| D-85630 Grasbrunn-Neukeferloh, FRG| |---------------------------------| Phone: (+int) 89 46108-179 or -0 | |http://reality.sgi.com/knobi | Fax: (+int) 89 46107-179 | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |e-mail: | VM: 6-333-8197 | M/S: IDE-3150 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 09:11:08 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA03152; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:11:07 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA26290 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:10:48 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA26282 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:10:45 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA10632 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:10:30 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA26192 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:10:28 -0700 Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de [194.221.49.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id JAA08903 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:10:23 -0700 env-from (ralf@Julia.DE) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06220; Wed, 28 May 1997 17:06:05 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA31716; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:03:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199705281603.SAA31716@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: hardware independent hinv To: ariel@sgi.com Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:03:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705281517.IAA10342@yon.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at May 28, 97 08:17:44 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2786 Lines: 75 > Just forwarding since it sounds someone hopes that Linux/MIPS > will some day have a HW independent hinv... - Ariel Larry has shown me a perl script on his Linux/i386 box which does just this. I intend to supply the information required by such a script via the proc filesystem. Ralf > ----- Forwarded message from Dave Olson ----- > > >From olson@anchor Mon May 12 13:50:21 1997 > Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:50:18 -0700 > From: olson@anchor (Dave Olson) > Message-Id: <199705122050.NAA26767@anchor.engr.sgi.com> > To: olson@anchor (Dave Olson), scotth@sgi.com > Subject: Re: missing machfile > Cc: swmgr@swmgr, breyer@swmgr, ariel@cthulhu > References: <199705121525.IAA23143@swmgr.engr.sgi.com> > <199705121714.KAA23773@anchor.engr.sgi.com> > <199705121854.LAA18312@anchor.engr.sgi.com> > > | I would assume that hinv is hardware-dependent, because of the > | mapping issues? Or is it table driven off of an analogue of the machtab? > > Still all compiled in. Bug/rfe open for years now about making it table > driven. > > | Unfortunately, nothing better is generally available across > | platforms and releases. > > Yes, and that's something that would be nice to fix. Maybe linux will > do it, and we can copy them. > > | D> Lots, for any non-trivial app. They don't have to, but often want to. > | > | ??? Non-trivial as in "big and powerful", or as in "gets close to > | the hardware"? I would argue that emacs and perl both fit the > > Both/either. Not all big apps, of course. > > | I was looking at the options to uname, specifically "-p". Based > | upon the man page, shouldn't `uname -p` return "mips3" instead of > | "mips" for my IP22? That is one obvious meaning for: Q: what exactly does that IP?? notation stand for? Internal model names, CPU modules, ??? > Yes, but then you break even more of the configure scripts. Again, > a no-win situation. You're absolutely right. For just that reason I changed the output for little endian MIPS boxes from mipsel to mips a long time ago though mipsel is logic when thinking of the generic GNU configuration names. > | I was just curious is there was somehow we could make life easier > | for configure scripts to port software for IRIX... On the other > | hand, we generally only get bad comments about /bin/install, and at > | least we *don't* get comments like: After the last few days I can say that porting to IRIX is a quite boring job; most things just work. Only ssh makes problem. Solved by using GCC (snapshot) instead of SGI's cc. > Using cpp is a horrible solution... Tell the people who invented imake ... > | It is hard to add functionality without breaking stuff. > > A programmer's lament, if I ever heard one! Or break what's broken ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 09:24:23 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA03459; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:24:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA29557 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:24:01 -0700 Received: from storm.corp.sgi.com ([150.166.247.79]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA29536 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:23:56 -0700 Received: by storm.corp.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com id JAA09028; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:23:15 -0700 From: "Donna Yobs" Message-Id: <9705280923.ZM9026@storm.corp.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:23:15 -0700 In-Reply-To: Steve Alexander "Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)" (May 27, 7:45pm) References: <199705280245.TAA08534@refugee.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 411 Lines: 15 On May 27, 7:45pm, Steve Alexander wrote: > Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) > > Nothing warms a frosted penguin butt like an R10K. > Gee, and folks say sgi has no marketing slogans -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Donna Derby Yobs yobs@corp.sgi.com WWFS Silicon Graphics/Cray Research 415 933 1083 fax: 415 965 1395 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 11:05:31 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA15694; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:05:30 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA27964 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:04:35 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA27941 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:04:29 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA11207 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:03:53 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA27707 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:03:40 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA15016 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:03:31 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24940; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:42:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:42:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199705281742.MAA24940@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca CC: ariel@sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705281535.LAA28810@neon.ingenia.ca> (message from Mike Shaver on Wed, 28 May 1997 11:35:27 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: hardware independent hinv X-Lost: In case of doubt, make it sound convincing Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1078 Lines: 26 > > Just forwarding since it sounds someone hopes that Linux/MIPS > > will some day have a HW independent hinv... - Ariel > > Do they need more than the /proc stuff? > Larry has a perl version of hinv that reads from /proc/whatever, I > seem to recall. Yesterday I went to see some guy running the University's new Origin machine, and they showed me some monitoring tools on IRIX, very impressive tools. I want them on Linux :-). There was this lovely tool that showed the memory map, with the details on the usage. You could click on say, Emacs, and get a map of where Emacs pages were, and it seemed like it could read the symbol table information from the process as well (it showed: "No symbols for this page"). I also saw some printed slides on some program that seemed to let you move related functions together in the binary to avoid page faults. Can not really tell, as they were flipping trough them really quick. I remember attending a presentation at Usenix where they talked about this very feature. This is something else we want in our binutils. Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 11:24:06 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA21331; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:24:05 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA03252 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:23:49 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA03243 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:23:48 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA11332 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:23:46 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA03233 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:23:45 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA21233 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:23:44 -0700 env-from (davem@caip.rutgers.edu) Received: from darkwing.rutgers.edu (darkwing.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.4]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27325; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (davem@localhost) by darkwing.rutgers.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id OAA02400; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:18:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:18:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199705281818.OAA02400@darkwing.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx CC: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, ariel@sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705281742.MAA24940@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> (message from Miguel de Icaza on Wed, 28 May 1997 12:42:17 -0500) Subject: Re: hardware independent hinv Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 839 Lines: 18 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:42:17 -0500 From: Miguel de Icaza I also saw some printed slides on some program that seemed to let you move related functions together in the binary to avoid page faults. Can not really tell, as they were flipping trough them really quick. I remember attending a presentation at Usenix where they talked about this very feature. This is something else we want in our binutils. The solaris dynamic linker does this at run time, it collapses together only the functions/data which your program could ever reference into one contiguous chunk of pages. I haven't worked out the complete set of details of how this is done completely at run time, and efficiently as well, but I have spoken to Eric Youngdale and other Linux userland experts about this trick. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 11:58:17 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA03926; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:58:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA14111 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:57:58 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA14088 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:57:55 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA11589 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:57:34 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA13880 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:57:32 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA00618 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:53:37 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA25818; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:32:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:32:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199705281832.NAA25818@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Subject: Access to an ACM paper on databases. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 584 Lines: 19 Hello guys, Does anyone in this list have access to the ACM on-line library for the Transaction on Database Systems? If you have a subscription to this publication from ACM, you most likely have access to this. I would like to get my hands on this paper: http://www.acm.org/pubs/articles/journals/tods/1992-17-1/p94-mohan/p94-moha It is for some work I am planning to do on my ext2fs hacks. If anyone have any pointers to write-ahead logging documentation, I would appreciate if you could point me to it or send me a copy of whatever doc you have. Cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 11:46:34 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA02428; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:46:34 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA10466 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:45:54 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA10406 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:45:46 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA27674 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:45:45 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA30899 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:37:01 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705281837.OAA30899@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Dynapenguin! To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:37:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 579 Lines: 16 Yesssssss......! Ralf's new glibc-2.0.1 builds without complaint, and I've now got (trivial) dynamic binaries working on my Indy. We shall now see if the net-tools stuff works as nicely... Mike (much better...) -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Paranoid for money. Sarcastic for kicks. #> #> "They already *KNOW* I am a whacko, Karen. #> That doesn't mean I am *WRONG*." -- mjr@clark.net From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 11:58:19 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA03919; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:58:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA13725 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:56:57 -0700 Received: from procyon.corp.sgi.com (procyon.corp.sgi.com [150.166.115.120]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA13702 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:56:48 -0700 Received: by procyon.corp.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com id LAA10566; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:56:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:56:47 -0700 From: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito) Message-Id: <9705281156.ZM10564@procyon.corp.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: Mike Shaver "Dynapenguin!" (May 28, 2:37pm) References: <199705281837.OAA30899@neon.ingenia.ca> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Dynapenguin! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 776 Lines: 31 On May 28, 2:37pm, Mike Shaver wrote: > Subject: Dynapenguin! ... As in, "Electra Woman and DynaPenguin"? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, scary Sid and Marty Krofft memories! Yikes! > Yesssssss......! > > Ralf's new glibc-2.0.1 builds without complaint, and I've now got > (trivial) dynamic binaries working on my Indy. > > We shall now see if the net-tools stuff works as nicely... > > Mike > (much better...) >-- End of excerpt from Mike Shaver Congrats, Mike!! (Tom Servo voice -->) "We're on our waaaayyy!" -Seth -- Seth Morabito | Silicon Graphics | sethm@corp.sgi.com | (415) 933-7044 "I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Lisp has all the visual appeal of oatmeal with fingernail clippings mixed in. (Other than that, it's quite a nice language.)" -- Larry Wall From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 12:19:26 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA07855; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:19:26 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA20700 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:19:11 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA20685 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:19:08 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA08514 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:19:07 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA31544; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:10:19 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705281910.PAA31544@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: Dynapenguin! In-Reply-To: <9705281156.ZM10564@procyon.corp.sgi.com> from Seth Morabito at "May 28, 97 11:56:47 am" To: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 630 Lines: 27 Thus spake Seth Morabito: > On May 28, 2:37pm, Mike Shaver wrote: > > Subject: Dynapenguin! > > ... As in, "Electra Woman and DynaPenguin"? Nope. (Before my time... =) )) > Congrats, Mike!! No, "congrats, Ralf!!", for getting it all patched up and putting up with my incessant pestering. > (Tom Servo voice -->) "We're on our waaaayyy!" Indeed. Mike (Indy sign!) -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Linux: because every cycle counts. #> #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com #> "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 12:13:04 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA06728; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:13:04 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA18957 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:12:31 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA18945 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:12:29 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com (gate5-neteng.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.33]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA11705 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:12:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA06609; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:12:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199705281912.MAA06609@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) cc: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com, olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com, scotth@sgi.com, swmgr@swmgr.engr.sgi.com, breyer@swmgr.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: hardware independent hinv Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:12:22 -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3947 Lines: 161 : Just forwarding since it sounds someone hopes that Linux/MIPS : will some day have a HW independent hinv... - Ariel Here's my first pass at it. It certainly isn't complete but it is a start. We could evolve Linux' /proc to fully handle this. #!/usr/bin/perl -w # Try and emulate SGI's hinv command # We want to figure out the following: # CPU type, mhz, memory, busses, floppies, disks, tapes, cdroms, ttys, # networks, graphics. # indy ~ hinv # Iris Audio Processor: version A2 revision 4.1.0 # 1 175 MHZ IP22 Processor # FPU: MIPS R4000 Floating Point Coprocessor Revision: 0.0 # CPU: MIPS R4400 Processor Chip Revision: 6.0 # On-board serial ports: 2 # On-board bi-directional parallel port # Data cache size: 16 Kbytes # Instruction cache size: 16 Kbytes # Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte on Processor 0 # Main memory size: 64 Mbytes # Vino video: unit 0, revision 0 # Integral ISDN: Basic Rate Interface unit 0, revision 1.0 # XPI FDDI controller: xpi0, firmware version 9601221233, SAS # Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1 # Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision D # Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 0 # Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 # Graphics board: Indy 24-bit # i586 ~ hinv # Main memory size: 24 Mbytes # 1 GenuineIntel 586 processor # 1 16450 serial port # 2 16550A serial ports # 1 post-1991 82077 floppy controller # 1 1.44M floppy drive # 1 vga+ graphics device # 1 keyboard # 2 ethernet interfaces # eth0: 3Com 3c595 Vortex 100baseTX # eth2: 3c509 # 1 SCSI tape 1 SCSI cdrom 2 SCSI disks # QUANTUM EMPIRE_1080S # HP C3725S # ARCHIVE VIPER 150 21531 # TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-3501TA # PCI bus devices: # SCSI storage controller: NCR 53c810 (rev 2). # Ethernet controller: 3Com 3C595 100bTX (rev 0). # VGA compatible device: S3 Inc. Vision 964-P (rev 0). # IDE interface: Intel 82371 Triton PIIX (rev 2). # ISA bridge: Intel 82371 Triton PIIX (rev 2). # Host bridge: Intel 82437 (rev 2). open(FD, "dmesg|") || die "no dmesg"; while () { @_ = split; if (/^Memory:/) { $_[1] =~ s|.*/||; $_[1] =~ s|k$||; $_[1] /= 1024; $mem = "Main memory size: $_[1] Mbytes\n"; } elsif (/^tty/) { $ttys{$_[$#_]}++; } elsif (/^Floppy/) { $floppy{$_[$#_]}++; } elsif (/^FDC /) { s/.*is a //; chop; $fdc{$_}++; } elsif (/^scsi : detected/) { $scsi = $_; } elsif (/^eth\d.* at /) { s/\s*at .*//; push(@eth, $_); } } open(FD, "/proc/cpuinfo"); while () { @_ = split; if (/cpu/) { $cpu = $_[$#_]; } if (/vendor/) { $cpus{"$_[$#_] $cpu"}++; } } open(FD, "/proc/ioports"); while () { if (/kbd/ || /keyboard/) { $kbd++; } elsif (/vga/) { @_ = split; $graphics{$_[$#_]}++; } } print $mem if (defined $mem); foreach $key (keys %cpus) { print "$cpus{$key} $key processor"; print $cpus{$key} > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } foreach $key (keys %ttys) { print "$ttys{$key} $key serial port"; print $ttys{$key} > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } foreach $key (keys %fdc) { print "$fdc{$key} $key floppy controller"; print $fdc{$key} > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } foreach $key (keys %floppy) { print "$floppy{$key} $key floppy drive"; print $floppy{$key} > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } foreach $key (keys %graphics) { print "$graphics{$key} $key graphics device"; print $graphics{$key} > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } if (defined $kbd) { print "$kbd keyboard"; print $kbd > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } if ($#eth > -1) { $n = $#eth + 1; print "$n ethernet interface"; print $n > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; foreach $eth (@eth) { print " $eth"; } } if (defined $scsi) { $scsi =~ s/.*detected //; $scsi =~ s/ total.//; print $scsi; open(FD, "/proc/scsi/scsi"); $_ = ; while () { next unless /Vendor/; s/.*Vendor:\s*//; s/\s*Rev:.*//; s/Model:\s*//; print " $_"; } } open(FD, "/proc/pci"); $done = 0; while () { if (/^\s*Bus/) { if ($done == 0) { print "PCI bus devices:\n"; $done++; } $_ = ; print; } } From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 12:21:33 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA08773; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:21:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA21327 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:21:22 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA21307 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:21:18 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA11767 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:21:17 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA21271; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:21:15 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA09227; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:21:10 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA31653; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:19:04 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705281919.PAA31653@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: hardware independent hinv In-Reply-To: <199705281912.MAA06609@neteng.engr.sgi.com> from Larry McVoy at "May 28, 97 12:12:22 pm" To: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Cc: ariel@sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com, olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com, scotth@sgi.com, swmgr@swmgr.engr.sgi.com, breyer@swmgr.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 950 Lines: 21 Thus spake Larry McVoy: > : Just forwarding since it sounds someone hopes that Linux/MIPS > : will some day have a HW independent hinv... - Ariel > > Here's my first pass at it. It certainly isn't complete but it is a > start. We could evolve Linux' /proc to fully handle this. What about a perl (SGI::?)Hinv:: module that would get hinv data from the appropriate source? I've been thinking about a clean perl interface to /proc for a while, and I assume the data's there for the taking on the Irixen as well, if you know where to look. (open("hinv|") is all else fails.) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Ignore the man behind the curtain. #> #> "And then I realized that it never should have worked in the first #> place. Thus, it would not work again until rewritten." --- Anon. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 12:25:15 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA09376; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:25:15 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA22396 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:24:53 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA22337 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:24:46 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com (gate5-neteng.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.33]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA11809 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:24:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA09260; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:24:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199705281924.MAA09260@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx, shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Cc: kenmcd@gonzo.melbourne.sgi.com Subject: nifty tools on Linux/IRIX Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:24:36 -0700 From: Larry McVoy Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1476 Lines: 47 Miguel asked about cool tools. Talk to Ken, he's the man. ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 05:20:54 -0500 From: "Ken McDonell" To: ptg@melbourne.sgi.com cc: lm@cthulhu Subject: scary ... irix and linux exchange simple PCP PDUs After minor brain-failure on my part, we have success at exchanging the PDU headers (with no translation for the PDU body). linux -> linux -> linux [guest@linux pcp]$ ./pdu-client -D1 -h linux.engr.sgi.com 12345 pdu-client: PID 12334 pdu-client: connected fd=3 [12334]pmXmitPDU: DATA_X fd=3 len=16 000: 10 700b 302e 12345678 [12334]pmGetPDU: DATA_X fd=3 len=16 from=12329 moreinput? no 000: 10 700b 3029 12345678 linux -> irix -> linux [guest@linux pcp]$ ./pdu-client -D1 -h bozo.melbourne.sgi.com 12345 pdu-client: PID 12333 pdu-client: connected fd=3 [12333]pmXmitPDU: DATA_X fd=3 len=16 000: 10 700b 302d 12345678 [12333]pmGetPDU: DATA_X fd=3 len=16 from=29807 moreinput? no 000: 10 700b 746f 12345678 irix -> linux -> irix bozo 8% ./pdu-client -D1 -h linux.engr.sgi.com 12345 pdu-client: PID 29821 pdu-client: connected fd=3 [29821]pmXmitPDU: DATA_X fd=3 len=16 000: 10 700b 747d 12345678 [29821]pmGetPDU: DATA_X fd=3 len=16 from=12329 moreinput? no 000: 10 700b 3029 12345678 Now moving onto the translation of the PDU body for each PDU type. ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 13:11:38 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA13597; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:11:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA02573 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:11:12 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA02556 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:11:10 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA12023 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:10:53 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA02465 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:10:47 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA25029 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 13:10:44 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA27164; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:49:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:49:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199705281949.OAA27164@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: davem@caip.rutgers.edu CC: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, ariel@sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705281818.OAA02400@darkwing.rutgers.edu> (davem@caip.rutgers.edu) Subject: Re: hardware independent hinv X-Windows: Form follows malfunction. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1117 Lines: 32 > The solaris dynamic linker does this at run time, it collapses > together only the functions/data which your program could ever > reference into one contiguous chunk of pages. Mhm, you mean, it moves the functions and data around? This looks interesting. How does the Solaris linker find this out? On the presentation at Usenix, they used feed the profiling information into this executable-reorganizer program and the output was this "optimized" executable. Actually, I just found the program, from the cord(1) man page: In the example below, a program foo is run through pixie(1) which generates foo.pixie. The instrumented executable is run and prof is used to produce a feedback file from the profiled data. Cord is then used to reorder the procedures in foo, generating a new binary foo.cord. pixie foo foo.pixie prof -pixie -feedback foo cord foo foo.fb Pretty cool. In the paper they presented some other optimizations to dynamically linked programs. Let me see if I can get the paper from the Usenix site. Cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 16:03:34 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA17741; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:03:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA16467 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:02:17 -0700 Received: from dataserv.seattle.sgi.com (dataserv.seattle.sgi.com [169.238.111.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA16403 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:02:11 -0700 Received: from kraken.seattle.sgi.com by dataserv.seattle.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) id QAA13514; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:00:14 -0700 Received: (from fchism@localhost) by kraken.seattle.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA19808; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:48:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:48:36 -0700 From: fchism@kraken.seattle.sgi.com (Frank Chism) Message-Id: <199705282248.PAA19808@kraken.seattle.sgi.com> To: "Alistair Lambie" Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com References: <199705280245.TAA08534@refugee.engr.sgi.com> <199705281638.JAA18907@kraken.seattle.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 231 Lines: 9 > Ahhh...that's it...the penguin pushing the bars of the logo apart and breaking > out. Some sort of symbolism of Linux breaking down barriers?? > > Alistair > Yeah, that's the ticket. Penguin as superhero. I love it! Frank From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 19:27:23 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA09777; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:27:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA03351 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:26:43 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA03332 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:26:40 -0700 Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [130.62.52.47]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA13198 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:26:39 -0700 Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA03967; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:26:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:26:37 -0700 From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199705290226.TAA03967@anchor.engr.sgi.com> To: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy), Mike Shaver Subject: Re: hardware independent hinv Cc: breyer@swmgr.engr.sgi.com, swmgr@swmgr.engr.sgi.com, scotth@sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com, ariel@sgi.com Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 314 Lines: 8 The info definitely isn't in /proc on irix. Doesn't dmesg have the problem on linux that it has on Sun systems; that is, it only works until enough kernel printfs have happened that the circular buffer wraps? Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics Guru and busybody at large http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 22:57:30 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA06204; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:57:30 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA02830 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:56:38 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA02823 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:56:35 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA13504 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:56:07 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA02775 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:56:05 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id WAA24801 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:56:05 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA03659; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:48:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:48:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199705290548.AAA03659@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux ext2fs goes multi-device :-) Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 665 Lines: 21 I was impressed by the extensive XFS feature list (from some comments I read from this mailing list archives, and later from the Usenix paper), so during the past days I coded a little extension to ext2fs that allows a file system to be extended at runtime. Say, you are running out of space in /home, you type: e2extend /home /dev/sdb1 (where /dev/sdb1 is a fresh disk ready to be used as an extension to /home). And poof! instant extra space in /home. This is from my limited understanding of the IRIX man pages describind xlv and xfs. Tonight this code just passed a lot of testing, I will clean it up and post to linux-kernel soonish. Cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 15:08:52 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA08975; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:08:51 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA02119 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:07:35 -0700 Received: from soyuz.wellington.sgi.com (soyuz.wellington.sgi.com [134.14.64.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA02097 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:07:27 -0700 Received: from windy.wellington.sgi.com by soyuz.wellington.sgi.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id KAA20975; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:07:09 +1200 Received: (alambie@localhost) by windy.wellington.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA07966; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:07:09 +1200 From: "Alistair Lambie" Message-Id: <9705291007.ZM7957@windy.wellington.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:07:08 +0000 In-Reply-To: fchism@kraken.seattle.sgi.com (Frank Chism) "Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)" (May 29, 4:51am) References: <199705280245.TAA08534@refugee.engr.sgi.com> <199705281638.JAA18907@kraken.seattle.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: fchism@kraken.seattle.sgi.com (Frank Chism) Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2086 Lines: 65 On May 29, 4:51am, Frank Chism wrote: > Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) > Alistair, > > The point is that it is a 'free' as in unemcumbered, system. > > No cages _please_! > Ahhh...that's it...the penguin pushing the bars of the logo apart and breaking out. Some sort of symbolism of Linux breaking down barriers?? Alistair > Frank > > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue May 27 19:41:19 1997 > > From: "Alistair Lambie" > > Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:48:38 +0000 > > In-Reply-To: Steve Alexander > > "Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)" (May 28, 2:47pm) > > References: <199705280245.TAA08534@refugee.engr.sgi.com> > > To: Steve Alexander > > Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) > > Cc: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com > > Precedence: bulk > > > > On May 28, 2:47pm, Steve Alexander wrote: > > > Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) > > > "Alistair Lambie" writes: > > > >The second one should be 'Powered by SGI! Can we get the logo to > > spin....that > > > >would be cool! > > > > > > I like the first one, myself. > > > > > > Nothing warms a frosted penguin butt like an R10K. > > > > > > > Maybe we need a version with the penguin in the cage! 'SGI tames Linux'?? > > > > Alistair > > > > -- > > Alistair Lambie alambie@wellington.sgi.com > > Silicon Graphics New Zealand SGI Voicemail: 56791 > > Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower, Ph: +64-4-802 1455 > > 94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ Fax: +64-4-802 1459 > > >-- End of excerpt from Frank Chism -- Alistair Lambie alambie@wellington.sgi.com Silicon Graphics New Zealand SGI Voicemail: 56791 Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower, Ph: +64-4-802 1455 94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ Fax: +64-4-802 1459 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 16:07:18 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA21310; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:07:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA17744 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:06:05 -0700 Received: from soyuz.wellington.sgi.com (soyuz.wellington.sgi.com [134.14.64.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA17696 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:05:58 -0700 Received: from windy.wellington.sgi.com by soyuz.wellington.sgi.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id LAA21567; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:05:36 +1200 Received: (alambie@localhost) by windy.wellington.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA08121; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:05:35 +1200 From: "Alistair Lambie" Message-Id: <9705291105.ZM8133@windy.wellington.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:05:35 +0000 In-Reply-To: fchism@kraken.seattle.sgi.com (Frank Chism) "Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)" (May 29, 11:02am) References: <199705280245.TAA08534@refugee.engr.sgi.com> <199705281638.JAA18907@kraken.seattle.sgi.com> <199705282248.PAA19808@kraken.seattle.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: fchism@kraken.seattle.sgi.com (Frank Chism) Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 690 Lines: 23 On May 29, 11:02am, Frank Chism wrote: > Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?) > > Ahhh...that's it...the penguin pushing the bars of the logo apart and breaking > > out. Some sort of symbolism of Linux breaking down barriers?? > > > > Alistair > > > > Yeah, that's the ticket. Penguin as superhero. I love it! > I can see it...a penguin with a cape with a big S flying out of the 'cage'....di we have an artist out there??? Alistair -- Alistair Lambie alambie@wellington.sgi.com Silicon Graphics New Zealand SGI Voicemail: 56791 Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower, Ph: +64-4-802 1455 94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ Fax: +64-4-802 1459 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed May 28 16:03:38 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA16610; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:03:36 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA16568 for linux-list; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:02:36 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA16531 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:02:27 -0700 Received: from larry.melbourne.sgi.com (larry.melbourne.sgi.com [134.14.52.130]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA12605 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:02:14 -0700 Received: from omen.melbourne.sgi.com (omen.melbourne.sgi.com [134.14.55.139]) by larry.melbourne.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA17587; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:02:02 +1000 Received: (from chatz@localhost) by omen.melbourne.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA19530; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:01:48 +1000 From: "David Chatterton" Message-Id: <9705290901.ZM19528@omen.melbourne.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:01:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Larry McVoy "nifty tools on Linux/IRIX" (May 28, 12:24pm) References: <199705281924.MAA09260@neteng.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: Larry McVoy , linux@yon.engr.sgi.com, miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx, shaver@neon.ingenia.ca Subject: Re: nifty tools on Linux/IRIX Cc: ptg@melbourne.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2156 Lines: 45 On May 28, 12:24pm, Larry McVoy wrote: | Subject: nifty tools on Linux/IRIX | Miguel asked about cool tools. Talk to Ken, he's the man. | Miguel, Hi! I work for Ken on the Performance Co-Pilot. Our only external pages are: http://www.sgi.com/Products/hardware/challenge/CoPilot/CoPilot.html http://reality.sgi.com/chatz The first is the marketing page to the real world, the second is my home page which has some snapshots. Our next release will include support for little endian machines, so we have been testing this under linux (of course :). Here is a quick summary of how it all works. We have a daemon on each host you want to monitor. Attached to this daemon (dlopen, pipe, socket etc.) are agents that collect performance metrics from a particular domain (kernel, web server, database). Our client tools connect to the daemon (socket) and request metrics. The daemon requests the metrics from the appropriate agent and forwards the values back to the clients. One client is a logger which generates archives that all the other clients can replay, as if they were connected live to a daemon process. The whole protocol is very light weight, much lighter than SNMP, so the daemon and agents rarely show up in top. Performance Co-Pilot has only been released for IRIX, but bits have been built under linux before, and as several of us have linux boxes at home, this will probably continue. We have talked about making some linux binaries freely available and other similar options, but nothing definate yet. I guess we need to know that such an investment of our time is going to be worthwhile, and that this fits in with our medium-long terms plans for the product. We also have to consider Java, NT (*sigh*) etc., and determine how SGI can start releasing software for other platforms. We are all (quiet) supporters of the linux on SGI project, keep up the good work! David -- David Chatterton (61-3) 9882 8211 (Tel) R&D Software Engineer (61-3) 9882 8030 (Fax) Performance Tools Group http://reality.sgi.com/chatz Silicon Graphics Pty.Ltd., 357 Camberwell Rd, Melbourne, Australia From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 29 07:06:47 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA07762; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:06:47 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA16864 for linux-list; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:05:55 -0700 Received: from sgitpa.tampa.sgi.com (sgitpa.tampa.sgi.com [169.238.151.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA16849 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:05:52 -0700 Received: from akira.tampa.sgi.com by sgitpa.tampa.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/930416.SGI) for <@sgitpa.tampa.sgi.com:linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com> id KAA05475; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:01:32 -0400 Received: by akira.tampa.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com id KAA05499; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:08:24 -0400 From: "Liam Irish" Message-Id: <9705291008.ZM5497@akira.tampa.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:08:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: SuperPenguin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 547 Lines: 20 Someone wrote: > > The point is that it is a 'free' as in unemcumbered, system. > > > > No cages _please_! > > > > Ahhh...that's it...the penguin pushing the bars of the logo apart and breaking > out. Some sort of symbolism of Linux breaking down barriers?? It wouldn't be good to show the SGI symbol bent up either. How about the penguin holding its wing (flipper?) suavely out, with an sgi symbol spinning just above its "palm". -- Liam Irish System Engineer Tampa, FL Silicon Graphics, Inc. (813)281-4620 irish@tampa.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 29 07:25:55 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA09304; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:25:55 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA19639 for linux-list; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:25:06 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA19626 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:25:02 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA08352 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:25:01 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA05190 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:18:20 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705291418.KAA05190@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Indy outage To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:18:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 519 Lines: 13 I've got to send my Indy back today for a little while so the demo pool guys can play clever games with the inventory control. I'll let you know when I'm back in action. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Commando Developer - Whatever It Takes #> #> "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like #> Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." - Linus Torvalds From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 29 08:30:09 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA06027; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:30:09 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA01348 for linux-list; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:29:22 -0700 Received: from heaven.newport.sgi.com (heaven.newport.sgi.com [169.238.102.134]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA01334 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:29:19 -0700 Received: by heaven.newport.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for linux@engr id IAA20852; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:29:18 -0700 From: "Christopher W. Carlson" Message-Id: <9705290829.ZM20850@heaven.newport.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:29:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: Miguel de Icaza "Linux ext2fs goes multi-device :-)" (May 29, 12:48am) References: <199705290548.AAA03659@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Linux ext2fs goes multi-device :-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1412 Lines: 41 On May 29, 12:48am, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Subject: Linux ext2fs goes multi-device :-) > > I was impressed by the extensive XFS feature list (from some comments > I read from this mailing list archives, and later from the Usenix > paper), so during the past days I coded a little extension to ext2fs > that allows a file system to be extended at runtime. > > Say, you are running out of space in /home, you type: > > e2extend /home /dev/sdb1 > > (where /dev/sdb1 is a fresh disk ready to be used as an extension to > /home). And poof! instant extra space in /home. > > This is from my limited understanding of the IRIX man pages describind > xlv and xfs. > > Tonight this code just passed a lot of testing, I will clean it up and > post to linux-kernel soonish. > > Cheers, > Miguel. >-- End of excerpt from Miguel de Icaza That sounds super cool! Good work! -- Chris Carlson +------------------------------------------------------+ | Also, carlson@sgi.com | | Work: (714) 756-5976 SGI vmail: 678-4530 | | FAX: (714) 833-9503 | | | | Trivia fact: an electroencephalogram shows that a | | human brain and a bowl of quivering lime Jell-O have | | the same waves. [Time Magazine, Mar 17, 1997] | +------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 29 10:03:27 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA12425; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:03:27 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA23598 for linux-list; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:02:07 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA23575 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:02:03 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA24632 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:02:00 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA06477 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Thu, 29 May 1997 12:46:42 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705291646.MAA06477@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: textutils working To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:46:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 540 Lines: 14 I had to work around a problem with the glibc-2.0.1 headers, but I've now got dynamically linked versions of the textutils running on Linux/Indy. Next up is net-tools. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Chief System Architect -- Head geek -- System exorcist #> #> "Have you considered a life? I hear they're quite affordable #> these days." --- shields@tembel.org From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 29 11:08:52 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA18189; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:08:51 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA14033 for linux-list; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:07:54 -0700 Received: from sgitpa.tampa.sgi.com (sgitpa.tampa.sgi.com [169.238.151.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA14024 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:07:52 -0700 Received: from akira.tampa.sgi.com by sgitpa.tampa.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/930416.SGI) for <@sgitpa.tampa.sgi.com:linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com> id OAA05945; Thu, 29 May 1997 14:03:38 -0400 Received: by akira.tampa.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com id OAA06208; Thu, 29 May 1997 14:10:42 -0400 From: "Liam Irish" Message-Id: <9705291410.ZM6206@akira.tampa.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:10:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: compiling kernels Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 299 Lines: 11 Where are the other importing things, such as includes for gcc, that are needed to compile a linux kernel for mips besides gcc and binutils, which I retrieved from kernel.panic. Thanks. -- Liam Irish System Engineer Tampa, FL Silicon Graphics, Inc. (813)281-4620 irish@tampa.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 29 11:13:06 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA18084; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:13:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA15244 for linux-list; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:12:53 -0700 Received: from titian.engr.sgi.com (titian.engr.sgi.com [150.166.240.38]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA15238; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:12:51 -0700 Received: from localhost by titian.engr.sgi.com via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) id LAA13879; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:12:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199705291812.LAA13879@titian.engr.sgi.com> To: "Liam Irish" cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: SuperPenguin In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 May 1997 10:08:24 EDT." <9705291008.ZM5497@akira.tampa.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:12:50 -0700 From: Mike McDonald Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 853 Lines: 32 >From: "Liam Irish" >Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:08:24 -0400 >To: linux@cthulhu >Subject: Re: SuperPenguin > >Someone wrote: >> > The point is that it is a 'free' as in unemcumbered, system. >> > >> > No cages _please_! >> > >> >> Ahhh...that's it...the penguin pushing the bars of the logo apart and >breaking >> out. Some sort of symbolism of Linux breaking down barriers?? > > >It wouldn't be good to show the SGI symbol bent up either. How about the >penguin holding its wing (flipper?) suavely out, with an sgi symbol spinning >just above its "palm". > >-- >Liam Irish >System Engineer Tampa, FL >Silicon Graphics, Inc. (813)281-4620 > irish@tampa.sgi.com How about the penguin breaking thru a set of bars and he has the SGI logo on his chest instead of a big S? Mike McDonald mikemac@engr.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 29 11:25:33 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA18825; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:25:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA19041 for linux-list; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:24:59 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA19026; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:24:56 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA19859; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:24:55 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA20291; Thu, 29 May 1997 14:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02767; Thu, 29 May 1997 14:19:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:19:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199705291819.OAA02767@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: mikemac@titian.engr.sgi.com CC: irish@akira.tampa.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705291812.LAA13879@titian.engr.sgi.com> (message from Mike McDonald on Thu, 29 May 1997 11:12:50 -0700) Subject: Re: SuperPenguin Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 953 Lines: 23 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:12:50 -0700 From: Mike McDonald How about the penguin breaking thru a set of bars and he has the SGI logo on his chest instead of a big S? Nah, have him wear a black and white T-shirt that looks like the "my other computer is an SGI // my other computer is a Cray" collectors items (I think 8 were ever made of that gem) but instead it says "my other computer runs IRIX // my other computer runs Linux" The trick is to find some clever way that you can see both the front and the back of the penguin, and thus see both messages on the shirt he wears... 8-) ---------------------------------------------//// Yow! 11.26 MB/s remote host TCP bandwidth & //// 199 usec remote TCP latency over 100Mb/s //// ethernet. Beat that! //// -----------------------------------------////__________ o David S. Miller, davem@caip.rutgers.edu /_____________/ / // /_/ >< From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 29 11:32:22 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA19097; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:32:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA23492 for linux-list; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:32:07 -0700 Received: from sgiott.ottawa.sgi.com (sgiott.ottawa.sgi.com [169.238.227.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA23454 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:32:04 -0700 Received: from k_cop.ottawa.sgi.com by sgiott.ottawa.sgi.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id OAA05531; Thu, 29 May 1997 14:30:38 -0400 Received: from k_cop (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by k_cop.ottawa.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA25722; Thu, 29 May 1997 14:31:35 -0400 Message-ID: <338DCB87.794B@sgi.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:31:35 -0400 From: Kevin Needham Organization: Silicon Graphics Canada X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David S. Miller" CC: mikemac@titian.engr.sgi.com, irish@akira.tampa.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: SuperPenguin References: <199705291819.OAA02767@jenolan.caipgeneral> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 629 Lines: 18 Hi All > The trick is to find some clever way that you can see both the front > and the back of the penguin, and thus see both messages on the shirt > he wears... One of our ID guys is working on it, he's in Hawaii starting tomorrow so it won't be done for a week and a half. He'll be rendering the penguin and animating it with Alias/Wavefront schtuff. I've passed everyone's comments along, hopefully we'll get something cool ;) Kev -- Kevin Needham, Project Manager kneedham@sgi.com Global Web Implementation Services (613) 798-4747 x233 Silicon Graphics Canada (613) 798-4749 FAX http://gwis.sgi.com V-net 675-4333 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 29 22:51:34 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA13472; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:51:34 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA09513 for linux-list; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:50:09 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA09493 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:50:06 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id WAA16815 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:50:04 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA09588 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Fri, 30 May 1997 01:48:34 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705300548.BAA09588@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: userland cometh To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 01:48:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1085 Lines: 29 OK, I think I've got this cross-compiling thing licked. Modulo some bogus interactions between the mostly-hacked 2.1.36 kernel headers and the glibc 2.0.1 stuff (which seems to be a bit off itself, but that's for another day), userland is coming along nicely. I've been rebuilding with the glibc-2.0.1 stuff and all-dynamic linking, and I've got: fileutils-3.16 tar-1.12 sh-utils-1.16 textutils-1.22 ncurses_1.9.9g (just the libncurses.a, ma'am) net-tools' inetd, arp, ifconfig, rarp, route and telnetd I can't get ping or bash to work build just yet (ping was _not_ happy with my headers), but I'll keep at it. Once I'm done here, I'll be making a new root.tar.gz for anyone who wants to play around with it. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Chief System Architect -- will tame sendmail(8) for food #> #> "You are a very perverse individual, and I think I'd like to get to #> know you better." --- eric@reference.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu May 29 23:47:05 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA17397; Thu, 29 May 1997 23:47:05 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA15287 for linux-list; Thu, 29 May 1997 23:46:24 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA15277 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 23:46:21 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id XAA23842 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 23:46:20 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id CAA10358 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Fri, 30 May 1997 02:44:23 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705300644.CAA10358@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: network troubles To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 02:44:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2492 Lines: 66 I'm trying to get some sort of non-ping, non-NFS traffic working on the Indy, and I'm having a lot of trouble doing it. The interface is properly configured (root is NFS mounted, right?), and I can ping the machine just fine. When I start up inetd, though, netstat -an shows the telnet and echo/tcp services as being _UDP_. Telnetting to either port results in a refused connection. My protocols file looks like: # # protocols This file describes the various protocols that are # available from the TCP/IP subsystem. It should be # consulted instead of using the numbers in the ARPA # include files, or, worse, just guessing them. # # Version: @(#)/etc/protocols 2.00 04/30/93 # # Author: Fred N. van Kempen, # ip 0 IP # internet protocol, pseudo protocol number icmp 1 ICMP # internet control message protocol igmp 2 IGMP # internet group multicast protocol ggp 3 GGP # gateway-gateway protocol tcp 6 TCP # transmission control protocol pup 12 PUP # PARC universal packet protocol udp 17 UDP # user datagram protocol idp 22 IDP # WhatsThis? raw 255 RAW # RAW IP interface # End of protocols. inetd.conf is: telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/in.telnetd telnetd echo stream tcp nowait root internal echo stream udp nowait root internal and the netstat output is: Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State udp 0 0 bogomips:600 neon:nfs ESTABLISHED udp 0 0 *:23 *:* UNKNOWN udp 0 0 *:echo *:* UNKNOWN raw 0 0 *:1 *:* Active UNIX domain sockets (including servers) Proto RefCnt Flags Type State I-Node Path When I try to tftp out to neon (which is how I get my kernel, so in theory...), I get: tftp: sendto: Reserved error 136 Any ideas? I'm using davem's 2.0.12 kernel, but I can't imagine why the TCP stuff in the kernel wouldn't work, if the NFS-Root stuff does... Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Information Warfare Division #> Chief Tactical and Strategic Officer "Saepe fidelis" #> #> "I like your game, but we have to change the rules." -- Anon #> From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 00:16:06 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA18343; Fri, 30 May 1997 00:16:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA18312 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 00:15:16 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA18307 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 00:15:13 -0700 Received: from sgiger.munich.sgi.com (sgiger.munich.sgi.com [144.253.192.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA18477 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 00:15:05 -0700 Received: from knobi.munich.sgi.com by sgiger.munich.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI) id JAA13127; Fri, 30 May 1997 09:14:56 +0200 Received: from knobi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobi.munich.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951220.SGI.AUTOCF.knobi) via SMTP id JAA08230; Fri, 30 May 1997 09:14:51 +0200 Message-ID: <338E7E6A.167E@munich.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:14:50 +0200 From: Martin Knoblauch Organization: Silicon Graphics GmbH, Am-Hochacker 3, D-85630 Grasbrunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miguel de Icaza CC: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, ariel@sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: hardware independent hinv References: <199705281742.MAA24940@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1573 Lines: 34 Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > > There was this lovely tool that showed the memory map, with the > details on the usage. You could click on say, Emacs, and get a map of > where Emacs pages were, and it seemed like it could read the symbol > table information from the process as well (it showed: "No symbols for > this page"). > That would be "gmemusage" (in a former life "bloatview", with some really cool desktop icons. Maybe for Linux, we could replace the pigs with a real fat penguin :-). > I also saw some printed slides on some program that seemed to let you > move related functions together in the binary to avoid page faults. > Can not really tell, as they were flipping trough them really quick. > That tool is "cord". It uses feedback from prof/pixie experiments. Martin -- Check out the DevForum 97 !!!! (http://www.sgi.com/Forum97/) If you miss it, you'll never forgive yourself. Neither will I :-) +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |Martin Knoblauch | Silicon Graphics GmbH | |Manager Technical Marketing | Am Hochacker 3 - Technopark | |Silicon Graphics Computer Systems| D-85630 Grasbrunn-Neukeferloh, FRG| |---------------------------------| Phone: (+int) 89 46108-179 or -0 | |http://reality.sgi.com/knobi | Fax: (+int) 89 46107-179 | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |e-mail: | VM: 6-333-8197 | M/S: IDE-3150 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 01:53:06 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA20975; Fri, 30 May 1997 01:53:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA28404 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 01:52:02 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA28399 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 01:51:59 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id BAA09411 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 01:51:53 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA25091; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:47:19 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705300847.KAA25091@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id KAA12360; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:47:19 +0200 Subject: Re: userland cometh To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:47:18 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705300548.BAA09588@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 30, 97 01:48:34 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1072 Lines: 31 Hi, > OK, I think I've got this cross-compiling thing licked. > > Modulo some bogus interactions between the mostly-hacked 2.1.36 kernel > headers and the glibc 2.0.1 stuff (which seems to be a bit off itself, > but that's for another day), userland is coming along nicely. > > I've been rebuilding with the glibc-2.0.1 stuff and all-dynamic > linking, and I've got: > fileutils-3.16 > tar-1.12 > sh-utils-1.16 > textutils-1.22 > ncurses_1.9.9g (just the libncurses.a, ma'am) > net-tools' inetd, arp, ifconfig, rarp, route and telnetd > > I can't get ping or bash to work build just yet (ping was _not_ happy with > my headers), but I'll keep at it. > > Once I'm done here, I'll be making a new root.tar.gz for anyone who > wants to play around with it. Take a look at the little endian RPM packages I've published on kernel.panic.julia.de. All these packages were build from the vanilla SRPM packages on the RedHat 4.1 package. I'd like to keep the number of .tar packages as low as possible; the root.tar.gz package has proven not to be very updateable. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 03:19:02 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA00550; Fri, 30 May 1997 03:19:01 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA06196 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 03:18:18 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA06190 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 03:18:16 -0700 Received: from bhairavi (bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com [134.14.90.52]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA18948 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 03:17:52 -0700 Received: (from raju@localhost) by bhairavi (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA04327; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:26:05 +0530 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:26:05 +0530 Message-Id: <199705300956.PAA04327@bhairavi> From: Raj Mathur To: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Cc: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: hardware independent hinv In-Reply-To: <199705290226.TAA03967@anchor.engr.sgi.com> References: <199705290226.TAA03967@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Reply-To: raju@bhairavi Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.93) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 829 Lines: 18 >>>>> "Dave" == Dave Olson writes: Dave> The info definitely isn't in /proc on irix. Doesn't dmesg Dave> have the problem on linux that it has on Sun systems; that Dave> is, it only works until enough kernel printfs have happened Dave> that the circular buffer wraps? Yes, just define a printer, (don't need to actually connect one) and lpr a file. End Of Dmesg(tm) usable output: all you'll get now is "lp: out of paper" messages. -- Raju -- Raj Mathur / Web Technical Support / Silicon Graphics / New Delhi +91-11-6216324/25, 6211354/55 / raju@sgi.com / 7228 http://reality.sgi.com/raju / It is the Mind that Moves PGP: F2 D4 4A 21 27 B0 63 FF | Not necessarily speaking 15 97 9D AE 9D 40 BC B8 | for Silicon Graphics From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 04:20:22 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA02032; Fri, 30 May 1997 04:20:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA09564 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 04:20:00 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA09558 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 04:19:58 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id EAA28615 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 04:19:45 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17015; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:13:55 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705301113.NAA17015@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id NAA13730; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:13:53 +0200 Subject: Re: compiling kernels To: irish@akira.tampa.sgi.com (Liam Irish) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:13:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <9705291410.ZM6206@akira.tampa.sgi.com> from "Liam Irish" at May 29, 97 02:10:42 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 524 Lines: 15 Hi, > Where are the other importing things, such as includes for gcc, that are needed > to compile a linux kernel for mips besides gcc and binutils, which I retrieved > from kernel.panic. You also need the GNU libc which is also on kernel.panic. You should get the libc binaries even if you want to recompile everything. Bootstrapping just from sources is nice torture due to cyclic dependencies and other traps. Btw, someone at SGI is mirroring kernel.panic daily. So you don't need to wait for our slow pipe. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 07:04:34 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA06006; Fri, 30 May 1997 07:04:34 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA00522 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 07:02:33 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA00509 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 07:02:31 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA19243 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 07:02:25 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA12694; Fri, 30 May 1997 09:46:33 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705301346.JAA12694@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: userland cometh In-Reply-To: <199705300847.KAA25091@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from Ralf Baechle at "May 30, 97 10:47:18 am" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Ralf Baechle) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1244 Lines: 29 Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > Take a look at the little endian RPM packages I've published on > kernel.panic.julia.de. All these packages were build from the vanilla > SRPM packages on the RedHat 4.1 package. Yeah, yeah... =) Once I get a natively-hosted compiler working, I'll be cranking out RPMs[*]. In the meantime, convincing some of those packages to cross-compile is pretty interesting. Lots of post-./configure Makefile munging with perl and the like. Actually, I think it'll be my cohort Alex who'll be building most of them. He likes RPM in a way that's a little frightening (hi, Alex!). =) > I'd like to keep the number of .tar packages as low as possible; the > root.tar.gz package has proven not to be very updateable. I can imagine. I'm not looking to be a distribution (yet). =) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Resident Linux bigot and kernel hacker. (OOPS!) #> `If you get bitten by a bug, tough luck...the one thing I won't do #> is feel sorry for you. In fact, I might ask you to do it all over #> again, just to get more information. I'm a heartless bastard.' #> -- Linus Torvalds (on development kernels) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 07:46:54 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA07664; Fri, 30 May 1997 07:46:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA07602 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 07:43:35 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA07567 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 07:43:25 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA26455 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 07:42:48 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA18776; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:38:52 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705301438.QAA18776@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id QAA14854; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:38:51 +0200 Subject: Re: userland cometh To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:38:49 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705301346.JAA12694@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 30, 97 09:46:33 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 826 Lines: 21 Hi, > Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > > Take a look at the little endian RPM packages I've published on > > kernel.panic.julia.de. All these packages were build from the vanilla > > SRPM packages on the RedHat 4.1 package. > > Yeah, yeah... =) > > Once I get a natively-hosted compiler working, I'll be cranking out > RPMs[*]. In the meantime, convincing some of those packages to > cross-compile is pretty interesting. Lots of post-./configure > Makefile munging with perl and the like. Urgs... Easier solution - in most cases running configure on a Intel or even better Sparc Linux machine does the right thing. Or even better - you can save the generated config.cache files and feed them into future runs of autoconf generated configure scripts. I used these two techniques to get my MIPS stuff crosscompiled. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 10:36:21 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA18460; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:36:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA15090 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 08:31:04 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA14796 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 08:28:57 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id IAA07547 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 08:28:56 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA12688; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:02:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Mike Shaver cc: Ralf Baechle , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: userland cometh In-Reply-To: <199705301346.JAA12694@neon.ingenia.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1294 Lines: 39 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 30 May 1997, Mike Shaver wrote: > Actually, I think it'll be my cohort Alex who'll be building most of > them. He likes RPM in a way that's a little frightening (hi, Alex!). =) I am, yes, sitting on the edge of my seat for Mike to get the network working so I can have access to the machine. Mike's working on the network now to stop my endless pestering. The priority will be getting rpm itself to compile properly, although I don't anticipate any huge problems. I just need to tell it that Linux/mips exists, I suspect. There's a large lump of joy in knowing that gcc/libc etc work properly. The rest is easy. > I can imagine. I'm not looking to be a distribution (yet). =) I suspect if we do a good enough job of porting the bulk of the RPMS that RedHat will take the effort seriously. There'll be a lot of RPMs to port, though... - - Alex Alex deVries "Microsoft, the source of all evil!" System Administrator - C. Theriault The EngSoc Project -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBM47sHO5CP+X51y2VAQE6iAL/ZBVgh6VV7KMFmSd070Uem6RphF3Clq23 bDZC5NQflkYXhkTdrMpfSNwCfTaEJsoU81vsn/MWsbBB87lVkWak1+gwl5pJr7Y8 3cc5+7LvG4QXhiDQEjo6HI/tcyeALTEk =gc9x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 14:01:32 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA22308; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:01:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA13994 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 08:20:29 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA13722 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 08:18:25 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id IAA05371 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 08:18:03 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA23721; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:13:55 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705301513.RAA23721@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id RAA17406; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:13:53 +0200 Subject: Re: userland cometh To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:13:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at May 30, 97 11:02:49 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1308 Lines: 33 Hi, > > Actually, I think it'll be my cohort Alex who'll be building most of > > them. He likes RPM in a way that's a little frightening (hi, Alex!). =) > > I am, yes, sitting on the edge of my seat for Mike to get the network > working so I can have access to the machine. Mike's working on the > network now to stop my endless pestering. > > The priority will be getting rpm itself to compile properly, although I > don't anticipate any huge problems. I just need to tell it that > Linux/mips exists, I suspect. This and another one or two minor patches were required to make rpm build on my machine. > There's a large lump of joy in knowing that gcc/libc etc work properly. > The rest is easy. Trying to build and use a distribution will help us alot to find the bugs. > > I can imagine. I'm not looking to be a distribution (yet). =) > > I suspect if we do a good enough job of porting the bulk of the RPMS that > RedHat will take the effort seriously. There'll be a lot of RPMs to port, > though... Most of the changes we need to do are already covered by some other patch files in the SRPMs. For example many packages already contain GNU libc patches; in some packages the GNU libc patches are disguised as Alpha patches. And GNU libc patches are 90% of what we need to patch. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 10:20:57 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA14329; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:20:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA09235 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:20:38 -0700 Received: from odin.corp.sgi.com (odin.corp.sgi.com [192.26.51.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA09148 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:20:29 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by odin.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/951211.SGI) for id IAA27163; Fri, 30 May 1997 08:31:57 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id IAA08234 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 08:31:55 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA13588 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:17:00 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705301517.LAA13588@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: ah... To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:17:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 614 Lines: 20 I think something's a bit wonky here. if ((fd = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP)) < 0) { perror("nothingserv: socket"); return -1; } # ./bind-indy 2000 nothingserv: socket: Socket type not supported # Perhaps I'll try building a new kernel... Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Commando Developer - Whatever It Takes #> #> "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like #> Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." - Linus Torvalds From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 10:21:43 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA17173; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:21:42 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA09829 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:21:25 -0700 Received: from odin.corp.sgi.com (odin.corp.sgi.com [192.26.51.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA09800 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:21:22 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com by odin.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/951211.SGI) for id JAA05445; Fri, 30 May 1997 09:05:38 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id JAA15727 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 09:05:35 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA16331 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:56:55 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705301556.LAA16331@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: ld error with 2.0.12-davem To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:56:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 972 Lines: 23 Using Ralf's gcc and binutils, and davem's cvs'd linux-2.0.12, I get: mips-linux-ld -static -N -e kernel_entry -mips2 -Ttext 0x88069000 \ arch/mips/kernel/head.o init/main.o init/version.o \ arch/mips/lib/lib.a /export/sgi-linux/kernel/mips-linux/lib/lib.a \ arch/mips/lib/lib.a -o vmlinux mips-linux-ld: vmlinux: Not enough room for program headers \ (allocated 3, need 4) mips-linux-ld: final link failed: Bad value make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 I've patched the Makefiles to use mips-linux instead of mipsel-linux, but that's about it. Anyone know enough about gnu ld to help me with this? Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Ignore the man behind the curtain. #> #> "And then I realized that it never should have worked in the first #> place. Thus, it would not work again until rewritten." --- Anon. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 10:35:33 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA19891; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:35:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA15497 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:35:16 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA15456 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:35:08 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA09677 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:35:03 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA13819; Fri, 30 May 1997 19:31:14 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705301731.TAA13819@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id TAA18902; Fri, 30 May 1997 19:31:13 +0200 Subject: Re: ld error with 2.0.12-davem To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:31:13 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705301556.LAA16331@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 30, 97 11:56:55 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 763 Lines: 16 > Using Ralf's gcc and binutils, and davem's cvs'd linux-2.0.12, I get: > mips-linux-ld -static -N -e kernel_entry -mips2 -Ttext 0x88069000 \ > arch/mips/kernel/head.o init/main.o init/version.o \ > arch/mips/lib/lib.a /export/sgi-linux/kernel/mips-linux/lib/lib.a \ > arch/mips/lib/lib.a -o vmlinux > mips-linux-ld: vmlinux: Not enough room for program headers \ > (allocated 3, need 4) > mips-linux-ld: final link failed: Bad value > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 This is typically caused by an inapropriate mixture of flags to ld, especially -Ttext and a linker script. In your case no linker script has been specified using a -T option, so the buildtin script is being used. Just check the right script in /mips-linux/lib/ldscripts/. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 10:38:08 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA16414; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:38:08 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA16524 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:37:56 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA16500 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:37:53 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA10384 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:37:49 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA14229; Fri, 30 May 1997 19:34:02 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705301734.TAA14229@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id TAA19008; Fri, 30 May 1997 19:34:01 +0200 Subject: Re: ah... To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:34:01 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705301517.LAA13588@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 30, 97 11:17:00 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 391 Lines: 14 > I think something's a bit wonky here. > > if ((fd = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP)) < 0) { > perror("nothingserv: socket"); > return -1; > } > # ./bind-indy 2000 > nothingserv: socket: Socket type not supported > # Hurz... Looks like you either you disabled TCI/IP networking or libc and the kernel use different constants for the arguments of socket(2). Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 11:00:45 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA06986; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:00:45 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA23043 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:00:21 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA23015 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:00:15 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA16041 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:00:14 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA20046; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:43:30 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705301743.NAA20046@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: ah... In-Reply-To: <199705301734.TAA14229@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from Ralf Baechle at "May 30, 97 07:34:01 pm" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Ralf Baechle) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 877 Lines: 21 Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > Hurz... Looks like you either you disabled TCI/IP networking or libc > and the kernel use different constants for the arguments of socket(2). I've added some more verbosity, and the constants are AF_INET=2, SOCK_STREAM=2, IPPROTO_TCP=6. TCP is correct, but SOCK_STREAM in my kernel headers is 1, SOCK_DGRAM being 2. That'd explain the UDP thing, anyway. Yup, my test program works if I force SOCK_STREAM to be 1. I guess I'll try and find the bogosity in the headers, then. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Chief System Architect and Herder of Bits #> #> "Yoda say, `Just slap a little public key crypto into it' does not #> a secure system make." -- Marcus J. Ranum (mjr@clark.net) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 11:08:52 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA11123; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:08:51 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA25770 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:08:36 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA25728 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:08:28 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA18142 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:08:26 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA18639; Fri, 30 May 1997 20:04:39 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199705301804.UAA18639@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id UAA19166; Fri, 30 May 1997 20:04:38 +0200 Subject: Re: ah... To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:04:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705301743.NAA20046@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at May 30, 97 01:43:30 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2168 Lines: 49 > Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > > Hurz... Looks like you either you disabled TCI/IP networking or libc > > and the kernel use different constants for the arguments of socket(2). > > I've added some more verbosity, and the constants are AF_INET=2, > SOCK_STREAM=2, IPPROTO_TCP=6. > > TCP is correct, but SOCK_STREAM in my kernel headers is 1, SOCK_DGRAM being > 2. That'd explain the UDP thing, anyway. One of the fun things with SGI... Long time ago checked two SGI machines running different OS versions for reference. In one of them the values for SOCK_STREAM and SOCK_DGRAM are swapped compared to the other. I wonder why. But anyway, at that time I choose to clone the constants from the newer one. > Yup, my test program works if I force SOCK_STREAM to be 1. > I guess I'll try and find the bogosity in the headers, then. [...] No, the kernel and the kernel use different values: >From asm-mips/socket.h: /* Types of sockets. */ enum __socket_type { SOCK_DGRAM = 1, /* Connectionless, unreliable datagrams of fixed maximum length. */ SOCK_STREAM = 2, /* Sequenced, reliable, connection-based byte streams. */ SOCK_RAW = 3, /* Raw protocol interface. */ SOCK_RDM = 4, /* Reliably-delivered messages. */ SOCK_SEQPACKET = 5, /* Sequenced, reliable, connection-based, datagrams of fixed maximum length. */ SOCK_PACKET = 10, /* linux specific way of getting packets at the dev level. For writing rarp and other similar things on the user level. */ }; Grrr... I somewhen moved the definitions of these constants from the generic header files to the machine specific header files and somehow lost the appropriate change to the library. I did change this with an eye into the future (IRIX / ABI compatibility) so we wouldn't need some stupid conversion routine. Actually I wonder why I was able to use bind, so I'll have to enquire my setup a bit closer. Thanks anyway ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 13:04:17 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA03242; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:04:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA26610 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:04:00 -0700 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.40.41]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA26597; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:03:54 -0700 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA04356; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:03:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:03:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199705302003.NAA04356@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Ralf Baechle Cc: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: ah... In-Reply-To: <199705301804.UAA18639@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> References: <199705301743.NAA20046@neon.ingenia.ca> <199705301804.UAA18639@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1232 Lines: 25 Ralf Baechle writes: > > Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > > > Hurz... Looks like you either you disabled TCI/IP networking or libc > > > and the kernel use different constants for the arguments of socket(2). > > > > I've added some more verbosity, and the constants are AF_INET=2, > > SOCK_STREAM=2, IPPROTO_TCP=6. > > > > TCP is correct, but SOCK_STREAM in my kernel headers is 1, SOCK_DGRAM being > > 2. That'd explain the UDP thing, anyway. > > One of the fun things with SGI... Long time ago checked two SGI machines > running different OS versions for reference. In one of them the values > for SOCK_STREAM and SOCK_DGRAM are swapped compared to the other. I wonder > why. But anyway, at that time I choose to clone the constants from the > newer one. ... The change was for SVR4 compatibility. The older numbering (STREAM==1, DGRAM==2) was the BSD variation; the newer numbering is derived from the TPI (Transport Provider Interface) constants. RISC/os had the same thing, except it supported both (-systype bsd43 for the BSD headers and libraries, -systype svr4 for the SVR4 headers and libraries). (The number conflict was resolved in the system calls, depending on the type of the executable.) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 14:38:06 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA07407; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:38:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA24469 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:37:47 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA24432 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:37:41 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA10556 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:37:39 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA22822; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:25:28 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705302125.RAA22822@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: ah... In-Reply-To: <199705301804.UAA18639@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from Ralf Baechle at "May 30, 97 08:04:37 pm" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Ralf Baechle) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1397 Lines: 29 Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > One of the fun things with SGI... Long time ago checked two SGI machines > running different OS versions for reference. In one of them the values > for SOCK_STREAM and SOCK_DGRAM are swapped compared to the other. I wonder > why. But anyway, at that time I choose to clone the constants from the > newer one. Solaris is the same way...it's probably an SVR thing. (If you're going to use sockets, though, why not use the BSD values?) > Grrr... I somewhen moved the definitions of these constants from the > generic header files to the machine specific header files and somehow > lost the appropriate change to the library. I did change this with an > eye into the future (IRIX / ABI compatibility) so we wouldn't need some > stupid conversion routine. Actually I wonder why I was able to use > bind, so I'll have to enquire my setup a bit closer. FWIW, I'd prefer to keep the Linux constants, well, constant. I don't see a problem with doing value swapping in an ABI routine later on, a la Linux/SPARC<->Solaris. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Commando Developer - Whatever It Takes #> #> "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like #> Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." - Linus Torvalds From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 14:59:31 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA07671; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:59:31 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA29348 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:59:16 -0700 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.40.41]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA29306; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:59:08 -0700 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA04831; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:59:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:59:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199705302159.OAA04831@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Mike Shaver Cc: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Ralf Baechle), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: ah... In-Reply-To: <199705302125.RAA22822@neon.ingenia.ca> References: <199705301804.UAA18639@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> <199705302125.RAA22822@neon.ingenia.ca> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1788 Lines: 34 Mike Shaver writes: > Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > > One of the fun things with SGI... Long time ago checked two SGI machines > > running different OS versions for reference. In one of them the values > > for SOCK_STREAM and SOCK_DGRAM are swapped compared to the other. I wonder > > why. But anyway, at that time I choose to clone the constants from the > > newer one. > > Solaris is the same way...it's probably an SVR thing. > (If you're going to use sockets, though, why not use the BSD values?) SVR4 has sockets, and they are source-compatible with the BSD version, but the detailed values needed to match the TPI values for SVR4 implementation reasons. When we did the MIPS SVR4 ABI, one compromise MIPS and SGI had to make with the other vendors, who used real SVR4 with fake sockets on top of TPI, instead of providing compatibility on top of a non-SVR4 kernel with real BSD sockets, was to agree to the SVR4 values for these constants. > > Grrr... I somewhen moved the definitions of these constants from the > > generic header files to the machine specific header files and somehow > > lost the appropriate change to the library. I did change this with an > > eye into the future (IRIX / ABI compatibility) so we wouldn't need some > > stupid conversion routine. Actually I wonder why I was able to use > > bind, so I'll have to enquire my setup a bit closer. > > FWIW, I'd prefer to keep the Linux constants, well, constant. > I don't see a problem with doing value swapping in an ABI routine > later on, a la Linux/SPARC<->Solaris. For these constants, at least, the value swapping is simple enough, and, as you point out, is probably already done for Linux/SPARC. IRIX 5 and IRIX 6 binaries definitely require the SVR4-style values. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 15:17:14 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA10642; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:17:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA04477 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:16:58 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA04462; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:16:55 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA19362; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:16:54 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13648; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA00360; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:11:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:11:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199705302211.SAA00360@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: wje@fir.engr.sgi.com CC: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705302159.OAA04831@fir.engr.sgi.com> (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: ah... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 135 Lines: 3 How can you tell if you have an IRIX binary which needs the old or new socket constants? Is it at the COFF/ELF file format boundary? From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 15:32:54 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA11218; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:32:53 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA09230 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:32:31 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA09216 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:32:29 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA21736; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:32:28 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199705302232.PAA21736@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Name the external domain To: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: vjs@yon.engr.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver), dmk@yon.engr.sgi.com (David Marc Katinsky) Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 856 Lines: 27 Hi Linuxies, Next Wednesday we are finally going to have our external linux machine online. As it turns out the networking gurus (vernon) require us to use a third level domain for very good reasons, so we cannot call the machine "linux.sgi.com". We want a domain name that's cool, friendly to outside people, entertaining, that doesn't sound too official and that's scalable" (general enough to put more "share with the world" hostnames under it in the future. I hate to start a long thread but this name will last for many years so I cannot have my fascist opinion rule here. Here's what people suggested so far: [linux.] outside.sgi.com [linux.] unchained.sgi.com [linux.] untied.sgi.com [linux.] at.sgi.com [linux.] friends.sgi.com Lets have some more suggestions and then vote on this. We need to give Vernon a name soon. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 15:42:25 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA11448; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:42:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA11763 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:42:16 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA11752 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:42:14 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA21816; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:42:12 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA11723; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:42:11 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA24315; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:42:10 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14130; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA00458; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:36:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:36:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199705302236.SAA00458@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: ariel@sgi.com CC: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com, vjs@yon.engr.sgi.com, dmk@yon.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199705302232.PAA21736@yon.engr.sgi.com> (ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: Name the external domain Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 361 Lines: 9 brft.sgi.com (ie. Big Red FireTruck) ---------------------------------------------//// Yow! 11.26 MB/s remote host TCP bandwidth & //// 199 usec remote TCP latency over 100Mb/s //// ethernet. Beat that! //// -----------------------------------------////__________ o David S. Miller, davem@caip.rutgers.edu /_____________/ / // /_/ >< From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 15:42:14 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA05804; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:42:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA11611 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:41:54 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA11598 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:41:53 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA21813; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:41:51 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA11591; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:41:50 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA24280; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:41:49 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA23787; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:39:18 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705302239.SAA23787@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: Name the external domain In-Reply-To: <199705302232.PAA21736@yon.engr.sgi.com> from Ariel Faigon at "May 30, 97 03:32:28 pm" To: ariel@sgi.com Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com, vjs@yon.engr.sgi.com, dmk@yon.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 631 Lines: 18 Thus spake Ariel Faigon: > [linux.] at.sgi.com I don't like this one very much, if only because it's hard to explain verbally. ('at' vs. '@', etc.) .unchained.sgi.com isn't bad, although I understand that we might be able to get some funding from Marketing if we used .cosmo.sgi.com. =) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Welcome to the technocracy. #> #> "you'd be so disappointed #> to find out that the magic was not #> really meant for you" - OLP From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 15:45:34 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA03257; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:45:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA12715 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:45:15 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA12695 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:45:12 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com (gate5-neteng.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.33]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA21877 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:45:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA11945; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:44:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199705302244.PAA11945@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: "David S. Miller" From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) cc: ariel@sgi.com, linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Name the external domain Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:44:59 -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 291 Lines: 9 OK, I got a better idea. Make the top level domain linux.sgi.com and the machine[s] stuff like linus.linux.sgi.com # because we like him (alias) ftp.linux.sgi.com # because people will remember it (alias) www.linux.sgi.com # alias linux.linux.sgi.com # real machine Watcha all think? From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 15:52:25 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA12830; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:52:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA14839 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:52:11 -0700 Received: from morgaine.engr.sgi.com (morgaine.engr.sgi.com [130.62.16.64]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA14807 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:52:08 -0700 Received: (from offer@localhost) by morgaine.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA07526 for linux; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:51:37 -0700 From: offer@sgi.com (richard offer) Message-Id: <9705301551.ZM7467@sgi.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:51:36 -0700 In-Reply-To: ariel@yon (Ariel Faigon) "Name the external domain" (May 30, 3:32pm) References: <199705302232.PAA21736@yon.engr.sgi.com> X-Signature: Automatically generated by Richards Own Mail Signer (roms) X-Home-Page: http://reality.sgi.com/offer X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@morgaine.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Name the external domain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 643 Lines: 33 * $ from ariel@yon at "30-May: 3:32pm" | sed "1,$s/^/* /" * * * Hi Linuxies, * I like.... * [linux.] friends.sgi.com Or alternativley coffeehouse.sgi.com [probably too long] beach.sgi.com [fill in the appropriate location where you hang out with your friends] * * Lets have some more suggestions and then vote on this. * We need to give Vernon a name soon. * -- * Peace, Ariel * richard. ________________________________________________________________________ Seen on uk.singles Modula 2 is like a locked door in the middle of a field. Charles Bryant From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 16:05:15 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA13655; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:05:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA18134 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:04:54 -0700 Received: from piecomputer.engr.sgi.com (piecomputer.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.28]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA18114 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:04:51 -0700 Received: (from mende@localhost) by piecomputer.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/970502.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA63456; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705302304.QAA63456@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com> From: Bob Mende Pie To: offer@sgi.com CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <9705301551.ZM7467@sgi.com> (offer@sgi.com) Subject: Re: Name the external domain Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 596 Lines: 14 Given that what Vernon is looking for is a domain for those hosts that are outside of the firewall (yet inside of the packet filter) that dont provide well known service names (www.sgi.com, ftp.sgi.com) I was thought of the strip of land around a castle that is between the outer wall and the moat. According to the "Castles on the web glossary" http://fox.nstn.ca/~tmonk/castle/glossary.html this strip of land is called the berm. /Bob... mailto:mende@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/mende/ KF6EID From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri May 30 16:12:59 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA14070; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:12:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA20100 for linux-list; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:12:53 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com (neteng.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.10]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA20091 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:12:50 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA13838; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:12:47 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA22076; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:12:30 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199705302312.QAA22076@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Name the external domain To: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu, ariel@sgi.com, linux@neteng.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199705302244.PAA11945@neteng.engr.sgi.com> from "Larry McVoy" at May 30, 97 03:44:59 pm Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 721 Lines: 27 : :OK, I got a better idea. Make the top level domain linux.sgi.com and :the machine[s] stuff like : : linus.linux.sgi.com # because we like him (alias) linus.youre-hired.sgi.com (well, we tried :-) (*) : ftp.linux.sgi.com # because people will remember it (alias) : www.linux.sgi.com # alias : linux.linux.sgi.com # real machine : :Watcha all think? : Except for the fact that this is not scalable beyond linux stuff I like it. It is certainly the easiest to remember and we can always add entertaining names/aliases at the hostname level. 'friends' was my next favorite. If everyone agrees (and vernon doesn't object) I think we should go with Larry's scheme. (*) and we haven't gave up yet. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat May 31 16:13:11 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA06041; Sat, 31 May 1997 16:13:11 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA25552 for linux-list; Sat, 31 May 1997 16:12:56 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA25546 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 16:12:53 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA20924 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 16:12:47 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA30365; Sat, 31 May 1997 18:57:54 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199705312257.SAA30365@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: ah... In-Reply-To: <199705312209.AAA13044@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from Ralf Baechle at "Jun 1, 97 00:09:15 am" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Ralf Baechle) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 18:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 875 Lines: 23 Thus spake Ralf Baechle: > I checked my own source base at home; both libc and the kernel use the > same values as IRIX 6.2 so there must be something wrong with your libc. No, there's something wrong with my kernel. I'm still using davem's 2.0.12 from the CVS archive, and it uses the "standard Linux" values for SOCK_{STREAM,DGRAM}. I'll wait to get a newer source tree, I guess. (Wednesday?) I think I'd prefer to keep all of the values standard across Linux ports, but it's not really my call. I guess as long as your libc changes and kernel stuff propogate into the mainline trees, it's no big deal. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Linux: because every cycle counts. #> #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com #> "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu