From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 1 03:31:45 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA11523; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 03:31:45 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA24607 for linux-list; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 03:29:59 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA24601 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 03:29:57 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id DAA03301 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 03:27:31 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13129 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:27:02 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707011027.MAA13129@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id MAA04407; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:27:00 +0200 Subject: Snapshots on ftp.linux.sgi.com To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:26:59 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 218 Lines: 8 Hi, I've placed some snapshots and diffs of libc and the kernel in ftp.linux.sgi.com:/pub/linux/mips/testing/. The bug fixes in the newest version are really important, apply them or switch your Indy off ;-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 1 09:28:58 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA22939; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:28:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA03255 for linux-list; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:28:32 -0700 Received: from sgifra.paris.sgi.com (sgifra.paris.sgi.com [144.253.160.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA03233 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:28:22 -0700 Received: from indigo.paris.sgi.com by sgifra.paris.sgi.com via SMTP (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com id AA23898; Tue, 1 Jul 97 18:28:09 +0200 Received: from indigo (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by indigo.paris.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA14519 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 18:28:06 +0200 Message-Id: <33B93015.41C6@paris.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 18:28:05 +0200 From: Thierry FAUCK Organization: SGI/CRAY FRANCE X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP12) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: subscribe thierry@paris.sgi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 33 Lines: 2 subscribe thierry@paris.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 1 10:13:36 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA15729; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 10:13:36 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAB11166 for linux-list; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 10:12:49 -0700 Received: from rabelais.paris.sgi.com (rabelais.paris.sgi.com [144.253.165.202]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA11154 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 10:12:44 -0700 Received: by rabelais.paris.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) id TAA09932; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 19:12:29 +0200 From: "Nicolas Bertolus" Message-Id: <9707011912.ZM9930@rabelais.paris.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 19:12:28 -0600 In-Reply-To: Thierry FAUCK "subscribe thierry@paris.sgi.com" (Jul 1, 6:28pm) References: <33B93015.41C6@paris.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: Thierry FAUCK , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: subscribe thierry@paris.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 700 Lines: 31 On Jul 1, 6:28pm, Thierry FAUCK wrote: > Subject: subscribe thierry@paris.sgi.com >subscribe thierry@paris.sgi.com > > > >-- End of excerpt from Thierry FAUCK Thierry, majordomo est relativement efficace pour s'inscrire dans les mailling lists. Pour Linux, il me semble qu'il s'agit de majordomo@corp To: majordomo@corp Subjet: subscribe linux thierry@paris.sgi.com end And that all, Nicolas -- ========================================== = Nicolas BERTOLUS M/S : IFR-3400 = = SiliconGraphics / Cray Research = = Tel : (33) 1 69 29 33 00 VM#521-8092 = = Fax : (33) 1 64 46 38 62 = = E-Mail : nbertolus@paris.sgi.com = ========================================== From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 2 19:22:13 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA04899; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:22:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA05749 for linux-list; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:21:56 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA05745 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:21:54 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id TAA28615 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:21:52 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09901; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:06:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:06:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199707030206.VAA09901@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: IRIX include file definitions copyrights. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 521 Lines: 17 Hello guys, I am a little worried that probably it is not a good idea to just copy shamelessly the structures and contant definitions from the /usr/include/sys files for implementing the Linux GFX/RRM. Right now I have included a "----BEGIN-COPY-PASTE----" and a "----END-COPY-PASTE----" comments to my asm/gfx.h and my asm/rmm.h noting explicitly where the stuff has just been copy and pasted and not massaged, but I wonder if it is ok to merge this into the GPLed Linux kernel. Comments? cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 4 03:45:03 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA01307; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 03:45:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA20735 for linux-list; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 03:44:39 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA20730 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 03:44:36 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id DAA03941 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 03:38:55 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA08613; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:33:23 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707041033.MAA08613@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id MAA18563; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:33:21 +0200 Subject: Status ... Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:33:20 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1394 Lines: 30 Hi all, with my recent bug fixes the kernel/libc becomes again stable enough to carry a reasonable userland. I spent last night rebuilding alot of RPM packages from RedBat 4.2. Many of them built fine without changes. Top problems which prevented rebuilding I found are - bugs in the new VFS layer of 2.1.43 - patch + glibc don't seem to work too well (These two are the most annoying) - We don't have yet a (reliable) port of X. Miguel de Icaza is working on that, especially on a X server for the Indy. - Neither RedHat nor any of the other availble distributions has a concept of bootstrapping out on a system where almost nothing is installed. So it's an annoying game to find out which packages to build in which order ... - Static linking is currently broken. Still many people use it as part of some kind of safety concept not noticing that a large fraction of userland programs will pull in the shared libraries vi the NSS mechanism anyway ... - On some configurations we still have problems with bad UDP/IP packets. This though I fixed a couple of endian bugs in the checksum code during the last days. Right now it seems that the Indy and M700 (using NE2000) are not affected by the problem, while P4032 and RM200 spit a good number of bad packets. Right now I guess we've got some other problem, maybe memory corruption. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 4 12:55:24 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA12370; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:55:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA05002 for linux-list; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:55:08 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA04989 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:55:04 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA18289 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:55:00 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA24276; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 15:52:46 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199707041952.PAA24276@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Native! To: adevries@neon.ingenia.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 15:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 595 Lines: 15 I've grabbed Ralf's cpio'd super-root and now I have a native compiler. Some day, I'll figure you what was wrong with mine. In the meantime, I'm going to try to get the Indy booting off local disk, because the NFS stuff is a little sloooooooow. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Commando Developer - Whatever It Takes #> #> "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like #> Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." - Linus Torvalds From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 5 14:18:32 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA02981; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 14:18:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA23570 for linux-list; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 14:09:48 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA23564 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 14:09:45 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA10872 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 14:09:35 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from flake (ralf@flake.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.37]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA12388; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 23:09:28 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707052109.XAA12388@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by flake (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id XAA04475; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 23:09:22 +0200 Subject: GCC bug Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 23:09:21 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 630 Lines: 15 Hi, the most current GCC package installs the header file assert.h although it shouldn't. The problem is that the GCC version of assert.h will not include but autoconf generated configure scripts rely on that. If you ever wondered why loading programs caused warnings like 'the function lchown is not implemented and will always fail', this is caused by the wrong assert.h. Quick fix: rm //include/assert.h, for example. rm /usr/local/mipsel-linux/include/assert.h. Note that this applies to both native and crosscompilers. None of them will install the assert.h file in /usr/include/. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 7 09:12:37 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA12002; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA20151 for linux-list; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:12:02 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA20138 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:11:58 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id JAA26428 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:11:28 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA28936; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:10:27 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707071610.SAA28936@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id SAA26501; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:10:25 +0200 Subject: MIPS Distribution status (Was: Status ...) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:10:24 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1192 Lines: 36 Hi all, Just to a status report about the packages Miguel mentioned. This is from memory, so neither complete nor 100% accurate. I've tried more than just these ... - Programs work, not even tried to packaged into RPMs yet: binutils gcc glibc util-linux procps sh-utils MAKEDEV bash - Packaging failed but otherwise working: apache, ncurses, dev - Works as far as tested: bison byacc flex make patch texinfo NetKit-A cpio crontabs diffutils dialog etcskel file findutils grep gzip ncrompress perl rpm textutils less sed initscripts mtools tar adduser textutils time fileutils rootfiles (Since Perl now builds shrink wrapped and passes almost the entire test suite someone could try starting with Debian as well) - Didn't try to build RPM package yet: NetKit-B tcp_wrapper termcap vim psmisc npasswd sysklogd net-tools setup - RPM package available but buggy: SysvInit statnet - Package doesn't build for unknown reasons: Emacs getty_ps e2fsprogs bdflush Since I'm developping offline I'm a bit lazy about merging other stuff into my kernel. With the VFS bug fixes a good couple more of packages would build and work. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 7 09:21:54 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA12311; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA23017 for linux-list; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:21:41 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA23012 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:21:39 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id JAA00729 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:21:37 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29746; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA20927; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:19:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:19:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199707071619.MAA20927@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199707071610.SAA28936@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> (message from Ralf Baechle on Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:10:24 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: MIPS Distribution status (Was: Status ...) Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 541 Lines: 13 From: Ralf Baechle Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:10:24 +0200 (MET DST) - Package doesn't build for unknown reasons: Emacs getty_ps e2fsprogs bdflush Emacs should build strictly out of the box in an of itself, I know because I specifically sent RMS patches for linux-mips support the moment I got it working last summer with GLIBC. (I even then logged in to the gnu project machines and made sure those changes made it into his tree ;-) If it isn't compiling at all, tell me how it is failing. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 7 10:56:05 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA17077; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA21671 for linux-list; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:55:49 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA21648 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:55:45 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA00342 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:55:42 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA11889; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:55:40 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707071755.TAA11889@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id TAA26876; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:55:39 +0200 Subject: Re: MIPS Distribution status (Was: Status ...) To: davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu (David S. Miller) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:55:39 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199707071619.MAA20927@jenolan.caipgeneral> from "David S. Miller" at Jul 7, 97 12:19:28 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 758 Lines: 19 > From: Ralf Baechle > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:10:24 +0200 (MET DST) > > - Package doesn't build for unknown reasons: > Emacs getty_ps e2fsprogs bdflush > > Emacs should build strictly out of the box in an of itself, I know > because I specifically sent RMS patches for linux-mips support the > moment I got it working last summer with GLIBC. (I even then logged > in to the gnu project machines and made sure those changes made it > into his tree ;-) > > If it isn't compiling at all, tell me how it is failing. Ok, special service for the Emacs people. I'll check out why the RPM didn't build. I didn't care about that yet because my favourite editor still is the prophet of Rock'n'Roll ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 8 03:19:09 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id DAA15918; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 03:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA14226 for linux-list; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 03:18:39 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA14221 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 03:18:36 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id DAA06747 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 03:17:48 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA21226; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:17:16 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707081017.MAA21226@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id MAA00606; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:17:13 +0200 Subject: Re: MIPS Distribution status (Was: Status ...) To: davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu (David S. Miller) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:17:11 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199707071619.MAA20927@jenolan.caipgeneral> from "David S. Miller" at Jul 7, 97 12:19:28 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 623 Lines: 16 > Emacs should build strictly out of the box in an of itself, I know > because I specifically sent RMS patches for linux-mips support the > moment I got it working last summer with GLIBC. (I even then logged > in to the gnu project machines and made sure those changes made it > into his tree ;-) > > If it isn't compiling at all, tell me how it is failing. Ok, I took a look at it. The Emacs 19.34b does not contain the least bit of support for mips{el}-linux, so no wonder why it doesn't build. Can you send me your patches? I assume RMS won't like it if we take the Emacs snapshot from the FSF ... Thanks, Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 8 06:27:40 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA22234; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA01923 for linux-list; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:27:21 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA01918 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:27:18 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id GAA12080 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:27:16 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00160; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01009; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:25:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:25:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199707081325.JAA01009@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199707081017.MAA21226@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> (message from Ralf Baechle on Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:17:11 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: MIPS Distribution status (Was: Status ...) Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 422 Lines: 9 From: Ralf Baechle Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:17:11 +0200 (MET DST) Ok, I took a look at it. The Emacs 19.34b does not contain the least bit of support for mips{el}-linux, so no wonder why it doesn't build. Can you send me your patches? I assume RMS won't like it if we take the Emacs snapshot from the FSF ... Go into src/m/mips.h and grep for __linux__ it's in there. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 8 06:32:17 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA22412; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA02447 for linux-list; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:32:07 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA02428 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:32:04 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id GAA13065 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:32:03 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00491; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01013; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:29:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:29:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199707081329.JAA01013@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de CC: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199707081017.MAA21226@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> (message from Ralf Baechle on Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:17:11 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: MIPS Distribution status (Was: Status ...) Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 178 Lines: 5 Ok, looks like the mips-*-linux entry never made it into the top level configure, the rest of the support code is in there though as indicated by the __linux__ tests in mips.h From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 9 04:02:30 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id EAA22755; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 04:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA07942 for linux-list; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 04:01:44 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA07935 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 04:01:41 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id DAA18258 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 03:59:54 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from schlegel (ralf@schlegel.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.59]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA11503 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:59:29 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707091059.MAA11503@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by schlegel (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id MAA26120; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:59:26 +0200 Subject: Emacs & e2fsutils To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:59:26 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 473 Lines: 10 Yesterday I digged David's patches out of the FSF's Emacs archive. It builds and seems run without problems with these patches. I just had to hack 'em a bit to add support of little endian machines. The problem with the e2fstutils not compiling out of the box turned out to be a problem in the autoconf generated configure script. Including results in a warning and that again makes the script assumes that we don't have at all ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 9 16:28:45 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA75166; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA15089 for linux-list; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:28:24 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA15072 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:28:21 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA14672 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:28:18 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id TAA14250 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:24:59 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199707092324.TAA14250@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: The Cathedral and the Bazaar To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:24:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 559 Lines: 16 A friend sent this to me, and I thought it was excellent. I suspect that many people on this list will have read it already, but those that haven't probably should. =) http://www.ccil.org/~esr/writings/cathedral.html Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Welcome to the technocracy. #> #> "you'd be so disappointed #> to find out that the magic was not #> really meant for you" - OLP From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 9 16:40:01 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA75313; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA19963 for linux-list; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:39:40 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA19953 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:39:38 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA18982 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:39:37 -0700 env-from (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu) Received: from jenolan.caipgeneral (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24324; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jenolan.caipgeneral (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA02741; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:37:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:37:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199707092337.TAA02741@jenolan.caipgeneral> From: "David S. Miller" To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199707092324.TAA14250@neon.ingenia.ca> (message from Mike Shaver on Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:24:59 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: The Cathedral and the Bazaar Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 214 Lines: 6 From: Mike Shaver Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:24:59 -0400 (EDT) A friend sent this to me, and I thought it was excellent. I bet he saw it on the gcc2 developers list... from me ;-) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 9 16:50:18 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA75421; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA24294 for linux-list; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:49:35 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA24275; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:49:32 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA21705; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:47:16 -0700 From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199707092347.QAA21705@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: The Cathedral and the Bazaar To: davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu (David S. Miller) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199707092337.TAA02741@jenolan.caipgeneral> from "David S. Miller" at Jul 9, 97 07:37:30 pm Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1380 Lines: 36 : : From: Mike Shaver : Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:24:59 -0400 (EDT) : : A friend sent this to me, and I thought it was excellent. : :I bet he saw it on the gcc2 developers list... from me ;-) : It is an excellent piece. The problem is that many will not have the patience to read it since it is so long. My internal "Why Linux/Freeware" web page at SGI has a pointer to Eric Raymond's treatise (since David pointed it to me for which I'm grateful). To make it easier for more people to grasp I use to send this short excerpt from the last part: No commercial developer can match the pool of talent the Linux community can bring to bear on a problem. Very few could afford even to hire the more than two hundred people who have contributed to fetchmail! [A freeware program maintained by Eric -- Ed] Perhaps in the end the free-software culture will triumph not because cooperation is morally right or software "hoarding" is morally wrong (assuming you believe the latter, which neither Linus nor I do), but simply because the commercial world cannot win an evolutionary arms race with free-software communities that can put orders of magnitude more skilled time into a problem. We know this of course, now the big question is how to open the eyes of our CEOs and high level managers (we're working on it). -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 10 14:39:05 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA251321; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA25600 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:38:52 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA25593 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:38:50 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA23929 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:38:50 -0700 From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199707102138.OAA23929@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: How to get the masses (IRIX<->Linux) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1078 Lines: 33 To get a critical mass of SGI users installing/running linux I believe we should aim at a setup where any non-guru could: 1) Install a full Linux distribution over the net (e.g. from linus.linux) from a running IRIX system On a virgin (separate) SCSI disk. 2) Once it is there, hot-start Linux from IRIX If we do it this way, users will be able to keep IRIX and it'll cost just an additional disk (a few hundred dollars) to get Linux running on the systems they are already used to work with. Since they have little to lose or to risk this way we have a much higher chance to get many users on board. Tangentially related: For those who don't know this, you may do a scheduled auto power-off / power-on on IRIX: % su # at 5am July 3 /usr/sbin/wakeupat 6pm Thursday /etc/shutdown -y (control - d) This will submit the job. # exit If we could rewrite wakeupat or reboot to take some extra boot options or alternatively run some Linux loader (SILO/MILO) from IRIX then 2) should be easy. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 10 15:03:52 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA260340; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA04361 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:03:26 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA03975 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:02:05 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA24075 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:02:03 -0700 From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199707102202.PAA24075@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: How to get the masses (IRIX<->Linux) (fwd) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1605 Lines: 55 [I'm forwarding this very helpful hint from Christian to the list not sure if all our audience, especially those outside SGI are aware of all these options.] Now since after setting nvram it'll always boot Linux ;-) the question is how to toggle two different (Linux/IRIX) nvram settings in a friendly trivial way... Looks like a SILO option after the wakup/reboot would be the best. Press 1 to boot IRIX [default] Press 2 to boot Linux ----- Forwarded message from Christian Reisch ----- >From creisch@esd.sgi.com Thu Jul 10 14:52:45 1997 Sender: creisch@esd.sgi.com Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:52:39 -0700 From: Christian Reisch To: Ariel Faigon Subject: Re: How to get the masses (IRIX<->Linux) Ariel Faigon wrote: > % su > # at 5am July 3 > /usr/sbin/wakeupat 6pm Thursday > /etc/shutdown -y > (control - d) This will submit the job. > # exit > > If we could rewrite wakeupat or reboot to take some > extra boot options or alternatively run some Linux loader > (SILO/MILO) from IRIX then 2) should be easy. > > I think irix decides where to boot from from these nvram variable... SystemPartition=pci(0)scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(8) OSLoadPartition=pci(0)scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(0) OSLoader=sash OSLoadFilename=/unix OSLoadOptions=auto You could write a script to fudge them with the nvram command then shutdown and wake up. Unfortunately I don't have the disk/time to play with it at the moment 6 ----- End of forwarded message from Christian Reisch ----- -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 10 15:05:56 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA260433; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA04867 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:05:10 -0700 Received: from sgibos.boston.sgi.com (sgibos.boston.sgi.com [169.238.33.4]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA04495 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:03:53 -0700 Received: from tvp.boston.sgi.com by sgibos.boston.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI) id SAA19614; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:03:45 -0400 Received: (from wmesard@localhost) by tvp.boston.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA19714; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:08:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:08:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199707102208.SAA19714@tvp.boston.sgi.com> From: Wayne Mesard To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Subject: How to get the masses (IRIX<->Linux) In-Reply-To: Ariel Faigon's message of 10 July 1997 14:38:49 References: <199707102138.OAA23929@oz.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 350 Lines: 10 Ariel Faigon writes: > If we could rewrite wakeupat or reboot to take some > extra boot options or alternatively run some Linux loader > (SILO/MILO) from IRIX then 2) should be easy. Not necessary. Use nvram to set SystemPartition (and maybe one or two other prom variables?) to point at the Linux disk and then just init 6. Wayne(); 617-489-7864 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 10 21:29:37 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id VAA285058; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 21:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA23990 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 21:29:18 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA23983 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 21:29:14 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id VAA02879 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 21:29:13 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA24748; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 23:28:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 23:28:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199707110428.XAA24748@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Quick shmiq question. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 534 Lines: 17 Hello guys, I have a new question for all of you lucky STREAMS experts. Ok, the thing is, I am not familiar with STREAMS at all, so I am not quite sure at what to do next. What is the ioctl (fd, I_STR, XXXX) thing supposed to do with a STREAM file handle? I just can't find any documentation on what this is for. Is this I_STR thingie done by some higher-level routine (I see there is a getmsg and putmsg routines declared, is this the way those routines are implemented, or I am missing the point?). cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 10 22:09:12 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA285042; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA27197 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:09:01 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA27192 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:08:58 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id WAA08566 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:08:56 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA24990; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:08:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:08:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199707110508.AAA24990@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Quick shmiq question. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1749 Lines: 75 Hello guys, Ok, now I need some advice here: I have this piece of code which is not cooperating very much. You can help me to figure out what is going wrong by taking a quick look at the Xsgi source code. On the directory programs/Xserver/hw/sgi, you have to grep for shmiqInit, once you find it, quickly figure what I am doing wrong. And if you have a chance to tell me what the thing with XXX is, I will be even more happy :-) cheers, Miguel. #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include int mopen (char *file, int flags, int x) { int fd; fd = open (file, flags, x); if (fd == -1){ fprintf (stderr, "can't open %s\n", file); exit (1); } } int main () { struct shmiqreq s; int shmiq, kbd, zero, qcntl; int v; void *shaddr; zero = mopen ("/dev/zero", O_RDWR,0); shaddr = mmap(0, 16384, PROT_WRITE|PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, zero, 0); shmiq = mopen ("/dev/shmiq", O_RDWR|O_EXCL|O_NOCTTY, 3); qcntl = mopen("/dev/qcntl0", O_RDWR|O_EXCL|O_NOCTTY, 0); fcntl(qcntl, F_SETFD, 1); s.user_vaddr = shaddr; s.arg = 0x00000553; /* XXX, this ought to be sizeof(shmiqSOMETHING) */ /* XXX, figure what this one is */ /* 0x80085101 is QIOCATTACH */ v = ioctl (qcntl, 0x80085101, (void *) &s); if (v == -1) v = errno; printf ("map regs: %d/%d\n", v, errno); kbd = mopen ("/dev/input/keyboard", O_RDWR|O_NDELAY|O_EXCL|O_NOCTTY, 0); v = ioctl (kbd, I_PUSH, "keyboard"); printf ("I_PUSH: %d\n", v); v = ioctl (shmiq, I_LINK, kbd); printf ("I_LINK: %d\n", v); printf ("shmqevent is: %d", sizeof (struct shmqevent)); while (0){ } return 0; } From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 11 00:57:53 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id AAA294485; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA13583 for linux-list; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:57:41 -0700 Received: from refugee.engr.sgi.com (fddi-refugee.engr.sgi.com [192.26.75.26]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA13578; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:57:38 -0700 Received: from refugee.engr.sgi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by refugee.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/970502.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA21125; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707110757.AAA21125@refugee.engr.sgi.com> To: Miguel de Icaza Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: Message from miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx of 10 Jul 1997 23:28:17 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:57:37 -0700 From: Steve Alexander Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2689 Lines: 78 Miguel de Icaza writes: > I have a new question for all of you lucky STREAMS experts. Ok, >the thing is, I am not familiar with STREAMS at all, so I am not quite >sure at what to do next. To paraphrase Michael Stipe, "STREAMS, they complicate my life." > What is the ioctl (fd, I_STR, XXXX) thing supposed to do with a >STREAM file handle? I just can't find any documentation on what this >is for. I_STR is the catch-all ioctl. What it means is that some random, device- specific ioctl is being sent down. The way that this works is that the app. fills in a structure, and then magic happens. The third argument to ioctl() is a 'strioctl' structure, which is defined in . For example, suppose my STREAMS driver supported a "panic the system" ioctl. Suppose, too, that this ioctl took an argument which was the message to print out, e.g., "eat me." The app would have code which did something like: #define SYS_PANIC 0xbadd0g struct strioctl si; char *foo = "eat me"; int fd, r; si.ic_cmd = SYS_PANIC; si.ic_dp = foo; si.ic_len = strlen(foo); si.ic_timout = INFTIM; /* infinite time out */ fd = open("/dev/strcrash", O_RDWR); r = ioctl(fd, I_STR, (char *)&si); Meanwhile, in the kernel... The data area pointed to by si gets converted into a two-part STREAMS message: The first part is a block containing an 'iocblk' structure, which has the command and a length, etc... The continuation pointer (b_cont) of the first block points to the data portion (i.e. ic_dp), which in this case is the string pointed to by 'foo'. The length of the first block is sizeof(struct iocblk) and the length of the second block is strlen(foo). The data is pointed to by the 'read pointer' (b_rptr) field of the message block structure. This leads to code similar to the following: /* write put procedure for STREAMS crash driver */ stc_wput(queue_t *q, mblk_t *bp) { struct iocblk *ioc; /* determine message type */ switch (bp->b_type) { case ... case M_IOCTL: /* it's an ioctl message */ ioc = (struct iocblk *)bp->b_rptr; /* what command */ switch (ioc->ioc_cmd) { case SYS_PANIC: ASSERT(bp->b_cont); cmn_err(CE_PANIC, bp->b_cont->b_rptr); } default: ioc->ioc_error = ENOTTY; freemsg(bp->b_cont); /* safe to call with NULL*/ bp->b_cont = 0; qreply(q, bp); } ... } So, basically, without cracking the M_IOCTL message, you can't figure out what to do with an I_STR; it's completely driver-specific. (streamio(7) gives some info; the USL manual called "Programmer's Guide: STREAMS" has way more than you want to know). STREAMS sucks. Trust me; I did STREAMS TCP/IP for 8 years. -- Steve From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 11 11:04:19 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA312045; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA04384 for linux-list; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:03:50 -0700 Received: from heaven.newport.sgi.com (heaven.newport.sgi.com [169.238.102.134]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA04322 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:03:40 -0700 Received: by heaven.newport.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for linux@engr id LAA08601; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:02:58 -0700 From: "Christopher W. Carlson" Message-Id: <9707111102.ZM8599@heaven.newport.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:02:58 -0700 In-Reply-To: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) "Re: How to get the masses (IRIX<->Linux) (fwd)" (Jul 10, 3:02pm) References: <199707102202.PAA24075@oz.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: How to get the masses (IRIX<->Linux) (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2025 Lines: 63 On Jul 10, 3:02pm, Ariel Faigon wrote: > Subject: Re: How to get the masses (IRIX<->Linux) (fwd) > [I'm forwarding this very helpful hint from Christian to the list > not sure if all our audience, especially those outside SGI are aware > of all these options.] > > Now since after setting nvram it'll always boot Linux ;-) > the question is how to toggle two different (Linux/IRIX) > nvram settings in a friendly trivial way... > > Looks like a SILO option after the wakup/reboot would be the best. > > Press 1 to boot IRIX [default] > Press 2 to boot Linux > >-- End of excerpt from Ariel Faigon Actually, we frequently have two versions of IRIX that we need to boot each from a different disk drive. We have a shell script which root can run which sets up nvram so that the next time we reboot, it will come up in the other OS. Here's the script below: #!/bin/sh # # Usage: switch_os 6.2 switches to 6.2 # switch_os 6.5 switches to 6.5 if [ $# -lt 1 ] ; then echo "Usage: switch_os <6.2|6.5>" exit fi if [ $1 != "6.2" -a $1 != "6.5" ] ; then echo "Usage: switch_os <6.2|6.5>" exit fi if [ $1 = "6.2" ] ; then sys_part="scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(8)" os_load="scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(0)" else sys_part="scsi(0)disk(3)rdisk(0)partition(8)" os_load="scsi(0)disk(3)rdisk(0)partition(0)" fi echo "rebooting venus to use $1 in 5 seconds..." sleep 5 /sbin/nvram SystemPartition $sys_part /sbin/nvram OSLoadPartition $os_load /etc/reboot -- Chris Carlson +------------------------------------------------------+ | Also, carlson@sgi.com | | Work: (714) 224-4530 | | Vnet: 6-678-4530 FAX: (714) 833-9503 | | | | Trivia fact: an electroencephalogram shows that a | | human brain and a bowl of quivering lime Jell-O have | | the same waves. [Time Magazine, Mar 17, 1997] | +------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 14 18:57:57 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA04302; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA20023 for linux-list; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:57:12 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA19951 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:56:58 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id SAA21748 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:04:04 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA31135; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:02:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:02:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199707150102.UAA31135@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux/SGI Questions for Monday. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1936 Lines: 68 Hello guys, Ok, I got my copy of the SGI documentation, and here I come with lots of questions, so take a deep breath: * Extra documentation It seems to me that some information on how the Newport works is decribed in a manual called 'Indy Graphics', Indy (TM) Technical Report, Ver 1.0, 1993. I would love to get a copy of this document if at all possible. The 'Display Control Bus Specification' would also be handy. The VC2 documentation suggests the later may be available on: nexus:/d/newport/asics * Colors and the newport. ** Using 24-bit mode For some reason, I am not getting the colors I want on the screen. I have tried to use the RGBA (32 bit) mode instead of loading the palette and using the color-indexed colors for drawing simple things on the screen without much success. Here is what I am doing: Set RGMMODE to 1 in the DRAWMODE1 register (this is supposed to use the colors loaded in COLORI). Set the PLANES to R/W RGBA planes Set the DRAWDEPTH to 24 bits. It still seems to be using the color pallette that IRIX loaded for me. ** Slope Red/Green/Blue. I could not find any reference to the use of these registers. Nor what are they supposed to do in the documentation. ** PUP What in the world is a PUP? It is some kind of plane * Clipping and Masking Could someone transcribe me the last paragraph from page 26 of the "Preliminary REX3 sepecification". The copy I got is offseted in this region, and thus did not make into my copy. * Context switching the graphics context. Is there any way to stop the currently executing REX3 command so that I can save the graphics context. Or should I just assume that saving the context and letting the REX3 finish the command even if we jump and do some other stuff that restoring the context will do the right thing? Ok, I am now going to keep playing with the newport now :-) Cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 15 16:35:27 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA02146; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA03476 for linux-list; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:35:06 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA03445 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:35:02 -0700 Received: from alpha.uni-koblenz.de (alpha.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.8.10]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA29597 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:34:56 -0700 env-from (ralf@alpha.uni-koblenz.de) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by alpha.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.3/8.8.3) id OAA24586; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:02:57 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707151202.OAA24586@alpha.uni-koblenz.de> Subject: Binutils 2.8.1.0.15 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:02:56 +0200 (MEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 941 Lines: 21 Hi all, after having found a couple of bugs in binutils 2.7 during the last time I decided it'd about time to go for 2.8 instead of putting more time into 2.7. Out of the frying pan into the fire ... - binutils 2.8.0.13 still need the special patches to gas/config/tc-mips.c to be applied. Otherwise they will reject the %HI, %hi and %lo operators. - since some pre-2.8 version binutils do optimize the case of the -N. This helps to reduce the output filesize but somehow ld layouts the segments wrong which results in a unuseable kernel. Removing -N from the LDFLAGS in arch/mips/Makefile is a workaround. - The %gp_rel() operator is not implemented in GAS. This means that we cannot assemble PIC code with GAS that is produced by current snapshots. - GAS still doesn't deal with _huge_ loops. The only program I know of which is affected is lmbench, but that alone is reason enough to fix it. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 15 12:42:54 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA21748; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA09622 for linux-list; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:42:26 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA09508 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:42:07 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA08603 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:42:03 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00342; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:35:40 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707151935.VAA00342@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id VAA03345; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:35:54 +0200 Subject: Fun with binutils ... Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:35:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1057 Lines: 22 Hi all, after having found a couple of bugs in binutils 2.7 during the last time I decided it'd about time to go for 2.8 instead of putting more time into 2.7. Out of the frying pan into the fire ... - binutils 2.8.0.13 still need the special patches to gas/config/tc-mips.c to be applied. Otherwise they will reject the %HI, %hi and %lo operators. Good so far, we never needed as few patches. - since some pre-2.8 version binutils do optimize the case of the -N. This helps to reduce the output filesize but somehow ld layouts the segments wrong which results in a unuseable kernel. Removing -N from the LDFLAGS in arch/mips/Makefile is a workaround. - The %gp_rel() operator is not implemented in GAS. This means that we cannot assemble PIC code with GAS that is produced by current snapshots. - ld spits messages about _gp_disp changing type. Dunno why yet. - GAS still doesn't deal with _huge_ loops. The only program I know of which is affected is lmbench, but that alone is reason enough to fix it :-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 15 12:50:43 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA22068; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA12623 for linux-list; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:50:06 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA12393 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:49:28 -0700 Received: from jenolan.rutgers.edu (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA10521 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:49:24 -0700 env-from (davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu) Received: (from davem@localhost) by jenolan.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08407; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:48:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:48:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199707151948.PAA08407@jenolan.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr In-reply-to: <199707151935.VAA00342@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> (message from Ralf Baechle on Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:35:53 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: Fun with binutils ... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 448 Lines: 10 From: Ralf Baechle Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:35:53 +0200 (MET DST) - GAS still doesn't deal with _huge_ loops. The only program I know of which is affected is lmbench, but that alone is reason enough to fix it :-) It is not a bug, just that we have the local label semantics specified for linux-mips differently in gcc and gas. I fixed this ages ago and it made lat_ctx.c compile just fine. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 15 15:17:46 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA35408; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA07478 for linux-list; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:17:18 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA07386 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:17:02 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA05718 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:16:57 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA20071; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:15:04 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707152215.AAA20071@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id AAA03529; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:15:16 +0200 Subject: Re: Fun with binutils ... To: davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu (David S. Miller) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:15:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199707151948.PAA08407@jenolan.rutgers.edu> from "David S. Miller" at Jul 15, 97 03:48:12 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1600 Lines: 46 > - GAS still doesn't deal with _huge_ loops. The only program I know > of which is affected is lmbench, but that alone is reason enough > to fix it :-) > > It is not a bug, just that we have the local label semantics specified > for linux-mips differently in gcc and gas. I fixed this ages ago and > it made lat_ctx.c compile just fine. It has nothing to do with local label semantics of GCC; I can easily trigger the problem in plain assembler using local or nonlocal labels. Maybe you were still using a non-PIC lat_ctx at that time? The problem only affects PIC. Another explanation would be that the size of the cacheflushing loop in lmbench was somewhen increased or the GCC variant you used generates different branches. The problematic GAS code from: binutils/gas/config/tc-mips.c: [...] 3439 case M_BGTL_I: 3440 likely = 1; 3441 case M_BGT_I: [...] 3470 if (imm_expr.X_op != O_constant) 3471 as_bad ("Unsupported large constant"); [...] 3536 case M_BGTUL_I: 3537 likely = 1; 3538 case M_BGTU_I: [...] 3544 if (imm_expr.X_op != O_constant) 3545 as_bad ("Unsupported large constant"); [...] 3632 case M_BLEL_I: 3633 likely = 1; 3634 case M_BLE_I: [...] 3647 if (imm_expr.X_op != O_constant) 3648 as_bad ("Unsupported large constant"); [...] 3694 case M_BLEUL_I: 3695 likely = 1; 3696 case M_BLEU_I: [...] 3702 if (imm_expr.X_op != O_constant) 3703 as_bad ("Unsupported large constant"); Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 15 11:26:32 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA18082; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA14337 for linux-list; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:25:58 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA14295 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:25:52 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA05242 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:08:02 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA15866; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:05:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:05:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199707152305.SAA15866@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux/SGI questions for tuesday. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 565 Lines: 17 Another question for all of you having access to the Xsgi X server sources. I am reading the Virtual DMA specification, and it occurs to me that this is the only way I can dma from the graphics card and to the graphics card. Can someone confirm this? According to the document I have, to be able to use the VDMA, a least for R4000 machines, I need support from the kernel, can somebody tell me what this kernel support looks like? I can't find anything in the par output I have from running the X server that looks like VDMA setup. Have a nice day, miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 16 15:07:16 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA36687; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA20454 for linux-list; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:07:02 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA20439 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:07:00 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA08262 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:06:59 -0700 From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199707162206.PAA08262@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Wellcome, Alan To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1515 Lines: 46 Hi All, I'd like to wellcome (note the spelling) Alan Cox to the linux mailing list. To those who don't know Alan, he is almost as famous as Linus himself in the Linux community :-) Alan played the leading role in major Linux areas including The Linux TCP/IP implementation and Linux/SMP as well as being involved on the Linux International Technical board and helping Linux happen and succeed. Alan lives in Wales, The United Kingdom and he is interested in contributing to the SGI/Linux efffort. I have put Alan on the first-comes and qualifies first-serverd waiting list for hardware. Right now, Alan in #4 on the list with machine #1 expected to be shipped this Friday. [our main bottleneck is lack of dual disk config Indys] To Alan: the linux@engr.sgi.com list has about 50 subscribers mostly SGI employees (and a few managers :-) who either like Linux so much or have some other interest in seeing it running on SGI hardware. It also includes all our core developers which you probably know. -- Peace, Ariel ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@cthulhu ----- >From Majordomo-Owner@cthulhu Wed Jul 16 14:13:16 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:13:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199707162113.OAA02588@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com> To: linux-approval@cthulhu From: Majordomo@cthulhu Subject: SUBSCRIBE linux alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Reply-To: Majordomo@cthulhu -- alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk has been added to linux. No action is required on your part. ----- End of forwarded message from Majordomo@cthulhu ----- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 16 15:25:37 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA37465; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA24486 for linux-list; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:25:22 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA24476 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:25:20 -0700 Received: from swan.ml.org (eerandy.swan.ac.uk [137.44.4.77]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA09907 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:25:18 -0700 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (surd [137.44.10.205]) by swan.ml.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA28708; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:24:43 +0100 Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wodMS-0005FiC; Thu, 17 Jul 97 00:19 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Wellcome, Alan To: ariel@sgi.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:19:55 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199707162206.PAA08262@oz.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at Jul 16, 97 03:06:59 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 287 Lines: 10 > mailing list. To those who don't know Alan, he is almost as > famous as Linus himself in the Linux community :-) Umm.. not convinced Anyway my target is basically to make Red Hat occur on an SGI, including hacking up the RH installer as needed to make it do the right thing. Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 17 10:34:14 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA05008; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA09528 for linux-list; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:33:44 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA09509 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:33:42 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA03667 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:33:38 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA08651 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:28:44 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199707171728.NAA08651@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: strace To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Linux/SGI list) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:28:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 712 Lines: 18 Anyone know what state the strace stuff in the CVS tree is in? I'm seeing some weird behaviour with rpm right now (can't find user/group) and I'd like to see what it's actually doing. (Also, remind me to work on fdisk when I get back[*] -- I don't like fx very much.) [*] in Sunnyvale Sunday-Wednesday, Mountain View Thursday until 2200. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Chief System Architect -- Head geek -- System exorcist #> #> "Have you considered a life? I hear they're quite affordable #> these days." --- shields@tembel.org From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 17 12:13:54 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA08769; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA14470 for linux-list; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:13:36 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA14430 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:13:30 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA08446 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:13:22 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA29648; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:12:57 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707171912.VAA29648@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id VAA12319; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:12:55 +0200 Subject: Re: strace To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca (Mike Shaver) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:12:55 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199707171728.NAA08651@neon.ingenia.ca> from "Mike Shaver" at Jul 17, 97 01:28:43 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 483 Lines: 15 > Anyone know what state the strace stuff in the CVS tree is in? The strace is the strace as left by David Miller plus some modifications by Miguel. Those add some IRIX bits he needs to reverse engineer what the X server is doing. > I'm seeing some weird behaviour with rpm right now (can't find > user/group) and I'd like to see what it's actually doing. > > (Also, remind me to work on fdisk when I get back[*] -- I don't like > fx very much.) Set up an at(1) job ;-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 17 13:56:39 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA12273; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA21983 for linux-list; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:55:51 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA21932 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:55:45 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA06073 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:55:44 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA11880 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:50:54 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199707172050.QAA11880@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: strace 'LOOP' for MIPS To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Linux/SGI list) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:50:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 818 Lines: 31 >From strace/util.c: #ifdef I386 #define LOOP 0x0000feeb #else /* !I386 */ #ifdef M68K #define LOOP 0x60fe0000 #else /* !M68K */ #ifdef ALPHA #define LOOP 0xc3ffffff #endif /* ALPHA */ #endif /* !M68K */ #endif /* !I386 */ What should LOOP be for the MIPS? It appears to be the address of the breakpoint handler, but I'm not sure: ptrace(PTRACE_POKETEXT, tcp->pid, (char *) tcp->baddr, LOOP); if (errno) { perror("setbpt: ptrace(PTRACE_POKETEXT, ...)"); return -1; } Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Welcome to the technocracy. #> #> "you'd be so disappointed #> to find out that the magic was not #> really meant for you" - OLP From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 17 22:08:47 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com ([192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA41524; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 22:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA00569 for linux-list; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 22:08:33 -0700 Received: from motown.detroit.sgi.com (motown.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.3]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA00557 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 22:08:30 -0700 Received: from cx1 by motown.detroit.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) id BAA10576; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 01:08:26 -0400 Message-ID: <33CEF9F7.7ECEE92D@cx1.detroit.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 01:07:03 -0400 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01b6C [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ariel Faigon CC: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: Wellcome, Alan X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199707162206.PAA08262@oz.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 718 Lines: 21 Wellcome Alan! Ariel Faigon wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'd like to wellcome (note the spelling) Alan Cox to the linux > mailing list. To those who don't know Alan, he is almost as > famous as Linus himself in the Linux community :-) -- Eric Kimminau System Engineer eak@detroit.sgi.com Silicon Graphics, Inc Vox:(810) 848-4455 39001 West 12mile Road Fax:(810)848-5600 Farmington, MI 48331-2903 "I speak my mind and no one else's." http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/perl-rsa-sig.html -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- http://bs.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=Eric+A.+Kimminau&fingerprint=on From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 18 08:24:58 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA54031; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA20868 for linux-list; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:24:40 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA20856 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:24:37 -0700 Received: from mir. (mir.aero.gla.ac.uk [130.209.27.68]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id IAA12729 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:24:29 -0700 env-from (angus@aero.gla.ac.uk) Message-Id: <7883.199707181520@mir.> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:20:09 +0100 From: Angus MacCuish Received: (from angus@localhost sender angus) by mir. (950413.SGI.8.6.12/UK-2.2a/aero-mips) id QAA07883; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:20:09 +0100 To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Fun with binutils ... Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 56 Lines: 4 Please remove me from this mailing list. Thanks, Angus From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 18 10:12:06 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA57974; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA18720 for linux-list; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:11:36 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA18708 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:11:33 -0700 Received: from multi11.netcomi.com ([204.58.155.211]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA12935 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:11:32 -0700 env-from (mgix@nothingreal.com) Received: from void (lax-ca18-20.ix.netcom.com [204.31.111.212]) by multi11.netcomi.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15415 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:11:26 -0500 Message-ID: <33CF9FCA.41C6@nothingreal.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:54:34 -0700 From: Emmanuel Mogenet Organization: Nothing Real, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Pointers on how to get started Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 921 Lines: 25 Hi, I have this 2gig drive sitting on my desk next to my Indy and doing nothing, so I figured I should try to install sgi-linux, see if the thing boots, and maybe put togehter a few RPM's on my own Unfortunately, at this point in the project, the "How to get started" part is kind of not written anywhere. I think if someone could whip together a quick 5 steps to booting an Indy under Linux and post them on http://www.linux.sgi.com, it'd be great, especially for people like me who are more the userland type. I have access to a i586-SCSI Linux system on the same network as my Indy, so I guess it should make things easier (booting diskless and/or making an efs filesystem on my SCSI disk on the PC) Thanks, - Mgix (Hi ariel, I'm still around :) ) ________________________________________________________________________________ Emmanuel Mogenet PGP Key on Request From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 18 10:32:57 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA58986; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA26971 for linux-list; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:32:37 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA26947; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:32:34 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA12824; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:32:33 -0700 From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199707181732.KAA12824@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Pointers on how to get started To: mgix@nothingreal.com (Emmanuel Mogenet) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <33CF9FCA.41C6@nothingreal.com> from "Emmanuel Mogenet" at Jul 18, 97 09:54:34 am Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1488 Lines: 49 Mgix, Glad to see you're still with us in a way! How to get started: Yes, this is *the* most important missing piece on www.linux.sgi.com It should be the first item in the 'HOWTO' section. I believe we used to have at least two volunteers to write this a few weeks ago. I hope they are listening, (no names :-) If anyone else who has Linux running today would like to write this, please do. Make sure you make it short, accurate, reproducible and as simple as possible. If you need shell access to administer the linus web site from where Miguel and I left it, just let me know and I'll give it to you (you'll need ssh and email me your public key generated with ssh-keygen) : :Hi, : :I have this 2gig drive sitting on my desk next to my Indy and :doing nothing, so I figured I should try to install sgi-linux, :see if the thing boots, and maybe put togehter a few RPM's :on my own : :Unfortunately, at this point in the project, the "How to get :started" part is kind of not written anywhere. : :I think if someone could whip together a quick 5 steps to booting an :Indy under Linux and post them on http://www.linux.sgi.com, it'd :be great, especially for people like me who are more the userland type. : :I have access to a i586-SCSI Linux system on the same network as :my Indy, so I guess it should make things easier (booting diskless :and/or making an efs filesystem on my SCSI disk on the PC) : :Thanks, : : - Mgix (Hi ariel, I'm still around :) ) : -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 18 10:33:44 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA39717; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA27349 for linux-list; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:33:32 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA27335 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:33:30 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA18799 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:33:29 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA03745; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:32:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:32:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Emmanuel Mogenet cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Pointers on how to get started In-Reply-To: <33CF9FCA.41C6@nothingreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 924 Lines: 29 On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Emmanuel Mogenet wrote: > Unfortunately, at this point in the project, the "How to get > started" part is kind of not written anywhere. I had said that I would write this, and I will. It will be written from the stance of a relative newbie. As it stands, I have some ideas on how to do this. What I'm missing is the actual hardware to do it on. As I get my system booting, I will document every step. The *REAL* fun for me starts when my Indy arrives, hopefully next week. Thanks, Ariel! > I have access to a i586-SCSI Linux system on the same network as > my Indy, so I guess it should make things easier (booting diskless > and/or making an efs filesystem on my SCSI disk on the PC) Yes, it will help. How are things on the native booting front? I had mailed Erik Troan a couple of days ago w.r.t. getting the RH install code for Alan and myself, but I haven't heard anything yet. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 18 11:18:59 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA60754; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA14564 for linux-list; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:18:32 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA14493 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:18:22 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA04097 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:18:20 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA20228; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:13:13 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199707181813.OAA20228@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: Pointers on how to get started In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jul 18, 97 01:32:57 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Linux/SGI list) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 779 Lines: 19 Thus spake Alex deVries: > How are things on the native booting front? I can boot bogomips off of local disk, but I'm seeing some wierdness with users and groups that I can't explain (via NFS and ext2). I'd like to get strace working so I can debug it more. There are also some moderately serious VFS bugs in 2.1.4[35] that are blocking some stuff right now. (Can't boot diskless with .45, for example.) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Information Warfare Division #> Chief Tactical and Strategic Officer "Saepe fidelis" #> #> "I like your game, but we have to change the rules." -- Anon #> From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 18 11:44:13 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA61752; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA23194 for linux-list; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:43:56 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA23180 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:43:54 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA12218 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:43:53 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA07214; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:43:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:43:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Mike Shaver cc: Linux/SGI list Subject: Re: Pointers on how to get started In-Reply-To: <199707181813.OAA20228@neon.ingenia.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1127 Lines: 30 On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Mike Shaver wrote: > Thus spake Alex deVries: > > How are things on the native booting front? > > I can boot bogomips off of local disk, but I'm seeing some wierdness > with users and groups that I can't explain (via NFS and ext2). I'd > like to get strace working so I can debug it more. Further questions: 1. What's a good kernel to use for this, and can someone tell me where I can find a pre-compiled version of it? I suspect until the problems on 2.1.45 are fixed, newbies should be using something older. 2. Could someone either produce an RPM for an xcompiling gcc host=i386 target=mips-linux, or send me a tarball? I'd be happy to make it into an RPM. Same goes for binutils. 3. Exactly what hardware will this run on? All I've heard thus far is work on SGI Indy's. Has there been any expereience on anything else? I know Ralf has run Linux on a lot of different MIPS machines, but for the sake of SGI Linux I think we should restrict ourselves to SGI only hardware. 4. Can someone tell me about how to configure an Indy to boot via bootp? I don't yet have access to manuals. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 18 11:52:27 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA63452; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA25998 for linux-list; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:52:09 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA25992 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:52:06 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA14600 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:52:05 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA20686; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:46:39 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199707181846.OAA20686@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: Pointers on how to get started In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jul 18, 97 02:43:30 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1440 Lines: 39 Thus spake Alex deVries: > 1. What's a good kernel to use for this, and can someone tell me where I > can find a pre-compiled version of it? I suspect until the problems on > 2.1.45 are fixed, newbies should be using something older. I use a slightly-out-of-date version of 2.1.43 from the CVS tree. > 2. Could someone either produce an RPM for an xcompiling gcc host=i386 > target=mips-linux, or send me a tarball? I'd be happy to make it into an > RPM. Same goes for binutils. Grab the stuff off of neon or linus from the crossdev directory. > 3. Exactly what hardware will this run on? All I've heard thus far is > work on SGI Indy's. I think that's it. Whatever Ariel ships you should work, though. > 4. Can someone tell me about how to configure an Indy to boot via bootp? I > don't yet have access to manuals. Configure your bootp server (see the config on neon for details) correctly, and then: Hit ESC for maintenance (heh) 5 for boot prompt. boot -f bootp()blahblah ("blahblah" can be any string...it figures everything out from the bootp server) Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Paranoid for money. Sarcastic for kicks. #> #> "They already *KNOW* I am a whacko, Karen. #> That doesn't mean I am *WRONG*." -- mjr@clark.net From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 18 12:02:08 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA64077; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA28916 for linux-list; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:01:30 -0700 Received: from morgaine.engr.sgi.com (morgaine.engr.sgi.com [130.62.16.64]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA28906 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:01:27 -0700 Received: (from offer@localhost) by morgaine.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA13805 for linux@cthulhu; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:00:57 -0700 From: offer@sgi.com (richard offer) Message-Id: <9707181200.ZM13791@sgi.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:00:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: Mike Shaver "Re: Pointers on how to get started" (Jul 18, 2:46pm) References: <199707181846.OAA20686@neon.ingenia.ca> X-Signature: Automatically generated by Richards Own Mail Signer (roms) X-Home-Page: http://reality.sgi.com/offer X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Pointers on how to get started Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1967 Lines: 58 * $ from shaver@neon.ingenia.ca at "18-Jul: 2:46pm" | sed "1,$s/^/* /" * * > 3. Exactly what hardware will this run on? All I've heard thus far is * > work on SGI Indy's. * * I think that's it. Whatever Ariel ships you should work, though. Does this mean it won't work on an R4k Indigo ? Bugger, there goes my idea of sticking a second disk into changeling.... [ changeling 240 ] hinv CPU: MIPS R4000 Processor Chip Revision: 3.0 FPU: MIPS R4000 Floating Point Coprocessor Revision: 0.0 1 100 MHZ IP20 Processor Main memory size: 32 Mbytes Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte on Processor 0 Instruction cache size: 8 Kbytes Data cache size: 8 Kbytes Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision C Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 On-board serial ports: 2 On-board bi-directional parallel port Graphics board: GR2-XZ Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1 * * * Mike * * -- * #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation * #> Paranoid for money. Sarcastic for kicks. * #> * #> "They already *KNOW* I am a whacko, Karen. * #> That doesn't mean I am *WRONG*." -- mjr@clark.net * richard. _________________________________________________________________________ 5 | # The graph shows the number of glasses | # of wine it takes for a woman to 4 | # # believe all men are bastards. | # # 3 | # # # Original: R.Llewellyn | # # # "The Reconstructed Heart" 2 | # # # # Figures for 1995 suggested | # # # # by my friend Annette. 1 | # # # # | # # # # # (none) +------------------------------------------ 1952 1962 1972 1982 1992 1995 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 18 12:57:49 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA66403; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA14367 for linux-list; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:57:34 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA14356 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:57:31 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA13402 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:57:30 -0700 From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199707181957.MAA13402@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: SGI docs To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 930 Lines: 33 [Since this is being asked frequently:] All SGI public books and documents (end user, sysadmin, and developer) are online at: http://www.sgi.com/techpubs/ (should RSN be obsoleted by http://techpubs.sgi.com) You may download as postscript and print locally or search/view the HTML files online. For example: 1) The MIPS assembly programmer's guide [got there after a short search] http://www.sgi.com/techpubs/lib/makepage.cgi?007-2418-001 2) The bootp/PROM documentation which is part of the IRIX admin guide: [got there by some clicking] http://www.sgi.com/techpubs/dynaweb_bin/0640/bin/nph-dynaweb.cgi/dynaweb/SGI_Admin/IA_ConfigOps/@Generic__BookTextView/9538 Also: IRIX man pages (may be a bit old but mostly good) can be browsed and searched online with a really friendly interface at: http://reality.sgi.com/cgi-bin/uman/ This should go into a FAQ and put on linus. Volunteers ? -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 18 12:50:09 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA65997; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA12125 for linux-list; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:49:36 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA12110 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:49:32 -0700 Received: from swan.ml.org (eerandy.swan.ac.uk [137.44.4.77]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA00554 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:49:30 -0700 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (surd [137.44.10.205]) by swan.ml.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08074; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:49:06 +0100 Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wpJu1-0005FiC; Fri, 18 Jul 97 21:45 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Pointers on how to get started To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 21:45:24 +0100 (BST) Cc: mgix@nothingreal.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at Jul 18, 97 01:32:57 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 458 Lines: 10 > I had mailed Erik Troan a couple of days ago w.r.t. getting the RH install > code for Alan and myself, but I haven't heard anything yet. Last time I checked the SRPM files for it where on CD#2. They arent the most recent but are 4.2. I was thus somewhat suprised you mailed Erik. - BTW the best person to mail in Red Hat isnt Erik he's generally far far too busy. Try the support people. I normally ask Clarence Smith if I need to check something. Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 19 11:50:01 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA288097; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA06972 for linux-list; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:49:45 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA06962 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:49:42 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA03448 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:49:40 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA02539 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 14:49:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 14:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Some updates... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1801 Lines: 53 1. The SGI-linux FAQ I've compiled version 0.01 of the FAQ, and it is at http://www.linux.sgi.com/faq.html . I fully realize that this document is filled with errors, and has some pretty large holes in it. Rather than mail me saying "Alex, why do you even bother?", it'd be _very_ helpful if you'd mail me telling me what's wrong. No correction is too small. The goal here is to have an accurate FAQ. Understand that I haven't touched SGI hardware in more than a year, which brings up item #2... 2. My Indy Yay! I got a call from David Kascht from SGI minutes before I left work yesterday. Apparantly, my Indy is leaving either yesterday or Monday, and should be in Boston at the latest on Wednesday. I've decided that the best thing is to leave it at work until it boots a little better. That means it's behind the firewall (which I could, but won't circumvent). My first project is to properly document the newbie-installation part of the FAQ. 3. Installation methods Right now, as documented in the FAQ, the only way to install it I think is to boot off a remote system using bootp/tftp/nfs-root, setup your disks, then install RPMs like crazy. But, what we want to do is move towards a network-less install. I can see a few ways to do this: 1. Floppy a la PC/Mac Can you actually boot an Indy off of a floppy? This would work well because we could then allow traditional RH FTP and NFS installs. 2. Bootable CDROM If so, we'd actually need someone to press bootable CD's. Are there any other ways? Perhaps creating a boot image from Irix? I did look in the documentation library, but I came across nothing when searching for 'boot'. - Alex Alex deVries Success is realizing System Administrator attainable dreams. The EngSoc Project From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 20 15:19:15 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA363729; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA09413 for linux-list; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:18:59 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA09409 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:18:56 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA23854 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:18:54 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25613; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:22:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:22:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199707210222.VAA25613@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199707171728.NAA08651@neon.ingenia.ca> (message from Mike Shaver on Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:28:43 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: strace X-Mexico: Este es un pais de orates, un pais amateur. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 377 Lines: 14 > Anyone know what state the strace stuff in the CVS tree is in? It compiles and works just fine on IRIX. > (Also, remind me to work on fdisk when I get back[*] -- I don't like > fx very much.) Actually -as I mentioned in a previous mail- we should probably add some of fx's features into fdisk. The Red Hat people are working on a newt-bassed fdisk as of now. Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 20 15:41:00 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA364379; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA10880 for linux-list; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:40:34 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA10875 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:40:31 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA25975 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:40:28 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA26037; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:36:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:36:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199707210336.WAA26037@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca CC: mgix@nothingreal.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: (message from Alex deVries on Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:32:57 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Pointers on how to get started X-Unix: is friendly, it is just selective about who its friends are. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 304 Lines: 11 > How are things on the native booting front? > > I had mailed Erik Troan a couple of days ago w.r.t. getting the RH install > code for Alan and myself, but I haven't heard anything yet. The source code for the Red Hat install program is included in every mirror of the distribution. Cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 21 00:10:53 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id AAA369847; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 00:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA20803 for linux-list; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 00:10:23 -0700 Received: from sgiger.munich.sgi.com (sgiger.munich.sgi.com [144.253.192.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA20786 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 00:10:19 -0700 Received: from knobi.munich.sgi.com by sgiger.munich.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI) id JAA24557; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:10:14 +0200 Received: from knobi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobi.munich.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951220.SGI.AUTOCF.knobi) via SMTP id JAA04940; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:10:13 +0200 Message-ID: <33D30B54.2781@munich.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:10:12 +0200 From: Martin Knoblauch Organization: Silicon Graphics GmbH, Am-Hochacker 3, D-85630 Grasbrunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard offer CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Pointers on how to get started References: <199707181846.OAA20686@neon.ingenia.ca> <9707181200.ZM13791@sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1722 Lines: 43 richard offer wrote: > > * $ from shaver@neon.ingenia.ca at "18-Jul: 2:46pm" | sed "1,$s/^/* /" > * > * > 3. Exactly what hardware will this run on? All I've heard thus far is > * > work on SGI Indy's. > * > * I think that's it. Whatever Ariel ships you should work, though. > > Does this mean it won't work on an R4k Indigo ? > > Bugger, there goes my idea of sticking a second disk into changeling.... > > [ changeling 240 ] hinv > CPU: MIPS R4000 Processor Chip Revision: 3.0 > FPU: MIPS R4000 Floating Point Coprocessor Revision: 0.0 > 1 100 MHZ IP20 Processor > Main memory size: 32 Mbytes > Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte on Processor 0 > Instruction cache size: 8 Kbytes > Data cache size: 8 Kbytes > Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision C > Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 > On-board serial ports: 2 > On-board bi-directional parallel port > Graphics board: GR2-XZ > Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1 > Hmm. Can you downgrade to "Starter" GFX? That might be suffiently compatibel to Newport. Martin -- +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |Martin Knoblauch | Silicon Graphics GmbH | |Manager Technical Marketing | Am Hochacker 3 - Technopark | |Silicon Graphics Computer Systems| D-85630 Grasbrunn-Neukeferloh, FRG| |---------------------------------| Phone: (+int) 89 46108-179 or -0 | |http://reality.sgi.com/knobi | Fax: (+int) 89 46107-179 | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |e-mail: | VM: 6-333-8197 | M/S: IDE-3150 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 22 12:15:13 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA89238; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA18829 for linux-list; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:14:56 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA18821 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:14:54 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA20682 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:14:53 -0700 From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199707221914.MAA20682@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Interest in SGI/Linux To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 10145 Lines: 358 The external SGI/Linux site is not yet widely advertised as we're trying to avoid visibility and a barrage of questions before we have something stable to show the world and a good HOWTO. Yet I see pretty impressive interest. First: we have quite a few ftp connections coming in. For example in the last two days we got FTP connections from the following sites: UNKNOWN@194.177.3.16 UNKNOWN@204.155.73.18 UNKNOWN@Bongo.HGS.SE UNKNOWN@SGI.COM UNKNOWN@aegir.ifi.uio.no UNKNOWN@alex2.med.iacnet.com UNKNOWN@alpha.franken.de UNKNOWN@click3west.com UNKNOWN@dasc12-94.flash.net UNKNOWN@dial06.c3.hu UNKNOWN@evil.aec.at UNKNOWN@fep3-orange.clear.net.nz UNKNOWN@gatekeeper.qms.com UNKNOWN@ip158.tol04.interbusiness.it UNKNOWN@ip197.sjc.primenet.com UNKNOWN@lager.engsoc.carleton.ca UNKNOWN@pir2cache.utc.fr UNKNOWN@rorschach.cec.jyu.fi UNKNOWN@sigma.utc.fr UNKNOWN@sj-cse112-sun.cisco.com UNKNOWN@unknown-151-212.segasoft.com athena.nuclecu.unam.mx lager.engsoc.carleton.ca portmaster-ppp-slip-term-10.uni-koblenz.de portmaster-ppp-slip-term-25.uni-koblenz.de portmaster-ppp-slip-term-30.uni-koblenz.de sgi.com thoma.uni-koblenz.de vulcan.ko.bnc.net Not to mention web hits. Since our web server (linus) went on air We got web hits from the following (note the interest from some interesting .com sites) some IP addresses are unresolved. uniq'ed sorted visitor sites: 051.msy4.communique.net 128.175.116.205 133.1.127.36 138.245.179.28 148.206.32.143 148.206.32.99 150.186.92.3 159.153.51.164 166.82.237.41 167.114.28.18 184.msya.communique.net 192.100.200.98 193.77.166.67 194.122.208.197 194.140.166.2 194.140.166.6 194.177.3.16 194.233.182.101 194.74.32.53 198.68.106.97 198.68.106.98 199.78.39.201 200.23.36.9 200.247.23.1 204.101.225.170 204.101.225.7 205.179.228.26 205.205.145.247 206.102.1.34 206.16.230.9 206.210.75.105 206.228.168.202 206.228.168.206 206.235.82.200 206.6.58.134 207.103.93.121 207.219.36.2 207.227.165.200 207.66.214.245 209.21.31.7 38.168.90.30 ALEPH0.MIT.EDU Bongo.HGS.SE Breughel.ufsia.ac.be C58.reach.net CACHE1.TC.CORNELL.EDU CDEMPSEY.PHAR.LSUMC.EDU DeathStar.destru.com Firenze7-49.tin.it Gandalf.HGS.SE Gtn2-net0-s9.eci.com OPTIC.NEURO.BCM.TMC.EDU PG024.hatelecom.or.jp S16-cs1-alhambra.datadepot.com SGI.COM WS-Fra1.win-ip.dfn.de WS-Koe1.win-ip.dfn.de abyss.kolej.mff.cuni.cz admin3.calweb.com alan.mobile.cymru.net alaska-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se alex2.med.iacnet.com amazonas.borak.es amor.comwell.se arctis-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se athena.nuclecu.unam.mx avery.uiah.fi bacchus.comwell.se bananoid.nuclecu.unam.mx bassin.feut.utoronto.ca blackstone.cs.brown.edu blanc.cisco.com blit.nuclecu.unam.mx blondie.uni-mb.si boojum.cs.brown.edu brewmaster.engsoc.carleton.ca bugatte.nmt.edu cache-1.www.demon.net cache-2.www.demon.net cagw1.att.com cahor.cintibelltv.com cajal.ucsd.edu calli.matem.unam.mx canna.physics.ox.ac.uk capatida.whoi.edu cassia.hensa.ac.uk cave.slip.wg.saar.de celt.network1.net cerbere.bruyeres.cea.fr chaos.wasteland.org chico.franken.de cinesite1.sohonet.co.uk click3west.com cosmic.ssc.com cust119.max3.dial.tor2.uunet.ca cww-proxy1.cww.de cyprus.cryst.bbk.ac.uk dalet.belnet.be darling.cs.ucsb.edu dasc12-94.flash.net davinci.hut.fi dbath-home-pc.cisco.com debug.cs.brown.edu demdwu19.mediaways.net deneb.its.deakin.edu.au dhcp-o-44-253.cisco.com dial06.c3.hu dial10.c3.hu dial211.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de dialup-17-ascend.athens.net dialup90-3-4.swipnet.se diamondage.cymru.net dj.whoi.edu dog.nordnet.fi dreamworks.com drson.ms.mff.cuni.cz du232-7.ppp.algonet.se eagle.plsys.co.uk eins.siemens.at enigma.tec.ufl.edu entropy.UCSC.EDU evil.aec.at extern.adnc.com falcon.destru.com faui45o.informatik.uni-erlangen.de fep3-orange.clear.net.nz fire-nyc.viacom.com firewall.edstone.com firewall.lego.com fourier.sva.edu.154.35.199.IN-ADDR.ARPA gars.gar.no gatekeep.cv.ruu.nl gatekeeper.qms.com gatekeeper.viewpoint.com gateway.cam-ani.co.uk gazoo.eecs.wsu.edu gimli.elemental.net goalkeeper.d2.com grmn-105ppp63.epix.net gw1.vtr.co.uk harvey.cyclic.com hcmason.vip.best.com heme.chem.wsu.edu host38.ocean.u-net.com host51.kset.com huey.pixar.com i115.ztm.euronet.nl i120.ztm.euronet.nl icon32.iconnet.com idnewt.idsoftware.com if-home.uk.stratus.com ikluft-ss20.cisco.com imhotep.uoregon.edu indy05.cs.monash.edu.au inet-gateway.CO.Santa-Clara.CA.US ip197.sjc.primenet.com ip57-129.tol.primenet.com iriquois.eel.ufl.edu jens.metrix.de joysun2.office.planet.nl jt11-163-1.tky.hut.fi kc1-14.kc-primary.net kcgw1.att.com kcgw2.att.com kgb.emn.fr kheops.cray.com knisdn-105.planetc.com knox35.static.usit.net korsoft.com krpan.uni-mb.si krusty.taoslab.com kwilson-pc.cisco.com laerche-atm.cs.uni-magdeburg.de lax-ca18-20.ix.netcom.com lax-ca38-59.ix.netcom.com lax-ca56-01.ix.netcom.com leia.ethz.ch liberty.dd.co.za lippitt.cs.brown.edu lo-pan.ridgecrest.ca.us lonsf24317.mle.co.uk lrdpf.spacetec.no mail.mdli.com marmoset.loc201.tandem.com max-sf2-7.iway.aimnet.com mean.netppl.fi metra-rnd.metra.com metro16.metro-online.com mg131-114.ricochet.net millennium.falcon.org monitor.mips4.com morsan.nrm.se mpc2.sohonet.co.uk myangup.connect.com.au myeah.connect.com.au myponga.connect.com.au nat-26.avanticorp.com neon.ingenia.ca neurogen.nimh.nih.gov newshost.uni-koblenz.de nextstat1.physics.ox.ac.uk nic.uakom.sk nile.informatik.uni-freiburg.de nina.pagesz.net njl2.materials.ox.ac.uk nmho05u.rohmhaas.com noho.demon.co.uk nueva.nuclecu.unam.mx odin.appliedtheory.com oz.cableview-online.com panic.lut.ac.uk pb.cache.nlanr.net pc-9202.on.rogers.wave.ca pearl.ge.com perplex.eagle.y.se persephone.tippett.com phaedrus.uchicago.edu pir2cache.utc.fr pm3-tor-17.passport.ca pm55-18.magicnet.net pol1.phy.cam.ac.uk poplar.cs.brown.edu poppy.hensa.ac.uk ppp-101.starnet.com.eg ppp-18.sierranet.net ppp033-sf2.sirius.com ppp213.Ins-CoIn.DE ppp24.cuug.ab.ca ppp31-ts2.pdnt.com proxy.camelot.de proxy00.TokyoNet.AD.JP proxy1.disney.com red2.sqla.com reddy.rhythm.com rira.ucsd.edu rorschach.cec.jyu.fi rtio-ss20.cisco.com rulcmc.LeidenUniv.nl s.sh.shr.shro.shroo.shroom.shrooms.com s10-pm01.clemson.campus.mci.net sammyman.digop.com santos.pentacom.co.uk schullin.co.at sdn-ts-021txfwoRP13.dialsprint.net sea-ts4-p32.wolfenet.com sentinel.sonalysts.com sesmith-ultra.cisco.com sextans124.wco.com sf-pm5-30-94.dialup.slip.net sf-pm8-25-185.dialup.slip.net shell3.ba.best.com shiva2-n4-ip218-toronto.ica.net sierra.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com sj-cse112-sun.cisco.com sjx-ca13-24.ix.netcom.com sjx-ca36-15.ix.netcom.com sjx-ca86-13.ix.netcom.com skennedy-sun.cisco.com skoda2.skoda-auto.cz sl05.pc.chemie.th-darmstadt.de slave.sci.co.uk sn44h64.next.com snafu.rutgers.edu sp052.cern.ch speak.atc.missouri.edu sqcisco.squeep.prado.com ss9-16.inre.asu.edu sunsite.ms.mff.cuni.cz sunsrv8.lrz-muenchen.de supernova.madcoyote.com theskye.uoregon.edu tidal.tessier.com tide09.microsoft.com tide11.microsoft.com tide14.microsoft.com tide22.microsoft.com tide26.microsoft.com tide27.microsoft.com toaster.cac.psu.edu toutatis.xs4all.nl ts006d03.cht-ma.concentric.net ts015d06.cht-ma.concentric.net ts060d05.lax-ca.concentric.net ts3310.SLIP.ColoState.EDU tvinput.materials.ox.ac.uk uc.cache.nlanr.net unknown-151-212.segasoft.com unknown-151-248.segasoft.com unknown-23-144.mattel.com urns.kerner.com usr21-95.dial.roc.frontiernet.net verdi.et.tudelft.nl vl22.pi.net vl41.pi.net vl48.pi.net vl57.pi.net vl63.pi.net vladimir-pc.cisco.com vortex.engr.ucdavis.edu wahoo.eecs.wsu.edu webcache.manawatu.gen.nz wi1p.pr.mcs.net wot.cisco.com www-cache.funet.fi www-proxy.ingenia.com www-proxy01.germany.eu.net www.xlink.net www2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de wwwdec.cern.ch yodo.uam.mx zeus.stjohns.co.uk -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 22 19:50:11 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA187211; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA18362 for linux-list; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:49:48 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA18355 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:49:45 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id TAA27437 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:49:40 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA22451; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 04:49:34 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707230249.EAA22451@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id EAA26619; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 04:49:11 +0200 Subject: Re: Interest in SGI/Linux To: ariel@sgi.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 04:49:10 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199707221914.MAA20682@oz.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at Jul 22, 97 12:14:53 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 559 Lines: 14 > The external SGI/Linux site is not yet widely advertised > as we're trying to avoid visibility and a barrage of questions > before we have something stable to show the world and a good HOWTO. > > Yet I see pretty impressive interest. > First: we have quite a few ftp connections coming in. > For example in the last two days we got FTP connections > from the following sites: I'm also surprised, especially because a search on Altavista found just one single reference to *.linux.sgi.com in a German newgroup, Dejanews didn't find any references. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 22 21:50:00 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id VAA209023; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA28770 for linux-list; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:49:47 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA28763 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:49:44 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id VAA25855 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:49:43 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id AAA03531; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:48:45 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199707230448.AAA03531@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: Interest in SGI/Linux In-Reply-To: <199707221914.MAA20682@oz.engr.sgi.com> from Ariel Faigon at "Jul 22, 97 12:14:53 pm" To: ariel@sgi.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 788 Lines: 22 Thus spake Ariel Faigon: > idnewt.idsoftware.com Ah, yes. I was talking to John Carmack about Quake 2, Linux, GL hardware and such, and while the Indy's not suitable (only gouraud, and Q2 needs texture mapping), the O2 would be. If we can get Linux ported to the O2 as well, we can very likely get a Quake II port. > snafu.rutgers.edu This is suspicious. Should we be controlling access to linus? Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Chief System Architect -- Head geek -- System exorcist #> #> "Have you considered a life? I hear they're quite affordable #> these days." --- shields@tembel.org From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 22 22:21:33 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA208574; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA02033 for linux-list; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:21:22 -0700 Received: from piecomputer.engr.sgi.com (piecomputer.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.28]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA02024; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:21:20 -0700 Received: (from mende@localhost) by piecomputer.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/970502.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA04735; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707230518.WAA04735@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com> From: Bob Mende Pie To: shaver@neon.ingenia.ca CC: ariel@sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199707230448.AAA03531@neon.ingenia.ca> (message from Mike Shaver on Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:48:45 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Interest in SGI/Linux Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 335 Lines: 13 > > snafu.rutgers.edu > > This is suspicious. > Should we be controlling access to linus? > This is most likely davem ... snafu is a system at the caip center, where he does most of his work. /Bob... mailto:mende@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/mende KF6EID From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 22 22:45:05 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA210944; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA03857 for linux-list; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:44:53 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA03848; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:44:49 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id WAA03948; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:44:47 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA03684; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 01:43:51 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199707230543.BAA03684@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: Interest in SGI/Linux In-Reply-To: <199707230518.WAA04735@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com> from Bob Mende Pie at "Jul 22, 97 10:18:04 pm" To: mende@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com (Bob Mende Pie) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 01:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Linux/SGI list) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 558 Lines: 18 Thus spake Bob Mende Pie: > > > snafu.rutgers.edu > > > > This is suspicious. > > Should we be controlling access to linus? > > This is most likely davem ... My point exactly. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Chief System Architect and Herder of Bits #> #> "Yoda say, `Just slap a little public key crypto into it' does not #> a secure system make." -- Marcus J. Ranum (mjr@clark.net) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 23 11:37:26 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA257309; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA23101 for linux-list; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:37:13 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA23069 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:37:09 -0700 Received: from swan.ml.org (eerandy.swan.ac.uk [137.44.4.77]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA16381 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:36:12 -0700 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (surd [137.44.10.205]) by swan.ml.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA13865; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:34:48 +0100 Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wr7AY-0005FiC; Wed, 23 Jul 97 20:33 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Interest in SGI/Linux To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Ralf Baechle) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:33:53 +0100 (BST) Cc: ariel@sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199707230249.EAA22451@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from "Ralf Baechle" at Jul 23, 97 04:49:10 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 226 Lines: 8 > I'm also surprised, especially because a search on Altavista found just > one single reference to *.linux.sgi.com in a German newgroup, Dejanews > didn't find any references. Altavista doesnt archive linuxnet:#linux Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 23 19:05:43 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA417287; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA13190 for linux-list; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:04:05 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA13170 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:04:01 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id TAA26831 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:04:00 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00423 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:03:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:03:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Yay! It boots! It boots! In-Reply-To: <199707230249.EAA22451@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1859 Lines: 43 Good news from the east coast of the US! To begin with, I was happy to see two very large boxes getting dropped off at my cubicle around 2pm this afternoon from SGI. Had I not been in the middle of fighting a million other fires this afternoon (multiple billings, crashed hard disks, etc) I would have opened it sooner. I know that Ariel has gone through a lot to get the volunteers hardware, and it says a lot about his hard work and determination that I have an Indy on my desk right now. SGI Linux would be very difficult to get running without the input of him and SGI. This _is_ going to work well. A few beers are owed to David Kascht for setting up my system properly, and for getting the machine out the door in Mountainview. His efforts are greatly appreciated. But, at 7:30pm I started unpacking, and by 8:15 I had Irix functional. Setting up bootp, tftpd, nfs, etc was easy (note to self: remember to restart inetd, remember to restart inetd...), and the whole thing booted as of about 9:15. The cleaners are still looking at me funny from my loud cheers. I'm using Mike's vmlinux version 2.1.43 (11MB!), and the root-be-0.0.cpio.gz (thanks, Ralf!) root file system. I'm now sorting out why I can't write to the fs, I think it's because I had forgotten to modify it's /etc/mtab or such. No problem, I expect. So, all I need is fdisk, and we're really rocking... I've been documenting more specifically, and I will be creating the HOWTO installation parts tomorrow night. The plan for my machine (Red) is to host it here at work (as alex3.med.iacnet.com) behind a firewall until SGI Linux is a bit further ahead, or until I get an ISDN line (which I will for certain, once I move). Red is an Indy with 2 1GB drives, 64MB and ISDN. Again, huge thanks to SGI. I promise to contribute in order to make it worth their while. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 23 19:17:56 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA423104; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA15942 for linux-list; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:17:40 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA15936 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:17:38 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id TAA01596 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:17:35 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA23045; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 04:17:28 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707240217.EAA23045@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id EAA29992; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 04:17:27 +0200 Subject: Re: Yay! It boots! It boots! To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 04:17:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at Jul 23, 97 10:03:44 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 186 Lines: 9 Hi, > I'm using Mike's vmlinux version 2.1.43 (11MB!), and the *Brrr* why are you using a kernel with debugging info? > root-be-0.0.cpio.gz (thanks, Ralf!) root file system. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 24 05:39:27 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id FAA341868; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 05:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA28414 for linux-list; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 05:39:12 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA28396 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 05:39:08 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id FAA02698 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 05:38:46 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA09513 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:38:35 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707241238.OAA09513@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id OAA02736; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:38:33 +0200 Subject: SGI 68k machines? To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:38:32 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 231 Lines: 8 Hi all, over the time I received several requests of Linux for m68k based SGI machines. First of all, did SGI build m68k based machines at all? If so these machines must be from latest the mid-eighties, probably earlier? Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 24 05:49:00 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id FAA485585; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 05:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA29341 for linux-list; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 05:48:50 -0700 Received: from sgiger.munich.sgi.com (sgiger.munich.sgi.com [144.253.192.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA29329 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 05:48:46 -0700 Received: from knobi.munich.sgi.com by sgiger.munich.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI) id OAA12184; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:48:43 +0200 Received: from knobi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobi.munich.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951220.SGI.AUTOCF.knobi) via SMTP id OAA02891; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:48:42 +0200 Message-ID: <33D74F2A.794B@munich.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:48:42 +0200 From: Martin Knoblauch Organization: Silicon Graphics GmbH, Am-Hochacker 3, D-85630 Grasbrunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralf Baechle CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: SGI 68k machines? References: <199707241238.OAA09513@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1376 Lines: 37 Ralf Baechle wrote: > > Hi all, > > over the time I received several requests of Linux for m68k based SGI > machines. First of all, did SGI build m68k based machines at all? > If so these machines must be from latest the mid-eighties, probably > earlier? > > Ralf Ralf, those were the first SGI products. The IRIS-1x00, -2x00 and -3x00 series. CPU board based on the 68020. No 68881 FPU, but you could get a FPU accellerator board based on multiple Weitek chips. Up to 8 MB (or was it 16 MB, maybe only 4), IRIS-GL based GFX, MEX window manager. Bus system was Multibus. Disks ESDI, SMD and IPI. Don't know what the SCSI story was. Build from 83/84 until probably 88. Not a bad system for that time. Martin -- +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |Martin Knoblauch | Silicon Graphics GmbH | |Manager Technical Marketing | Am Hochacker 3 - Technopark | |Silicon Graphics Computer Systems| D-85630 Grasbrunn-Neukeferloh, FRG| |---------------------------------| Phone: (+int) 89 46108-179 or -0 | |http://reality.sgi.com/knobi | Fax: (+int) 89 46107-179 | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |e-mail: | VM: 6-333-8197 | M/S: IDE-3150 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 24 06:04:52 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA491008; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA01045 for linux-list; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:04:34 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA01038 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:04:32 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id GAA06361 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:01:15 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12689; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:00:25 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707241300.PAA12689@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id PAA02905; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:00:22 +0200 Subject: Re: SGI 68k machines? To: knobi@munich.sgi.com (Martin Knoblauch) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:00:21 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <33D74F2A.794B@munich.sgi.com> from "Martin Knoblauch" at Jul 24, 97 02:48:42 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 667 Lines: 21 > CPU board based on the 68020. No 68881 FPU, but you could > get a FPU accellerator board based on multiple Weitek chips. Sounds as if this beast might be similar to the Weitek based FPA available for the 68k based Suns. > Up to 8 MB (or was it 16 MB, maybe only 4), IRIS-GL based GFX, > MEX window manager. > > Bus system was Multibus. Disks ESDI, SMD and IPI. Don't > know what the SCSI story was. SCSI to ESDI converter cards were popular at that time ... > Build from 83/84 until probably 88. Not a bad system for > that time. I wonder if there is still documentation for these beasts around such that some dino freak can hack Linux for them? Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 24 07:10:07 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA492328; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA11803 for linux-list; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:09:48 -0700 Received: from sgiger.munich.sgi.com (sgiger.munich.sgi.com [144.253.192.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA11784 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:09:37 -0700 Received: from sgihan.hannover.sgi.com by sgiger.munich.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI) id QAA15654; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:09:14 +0200 Received: from luca.hannover.sgi.com by sgihan.hannover.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id QAA03953; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:06:59 +0200 Received: by luca.hannover.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) id QAA16195; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:04:57 +0200 From: "Axel Sammet" Message-Id: <9707241604.ZM16193@luca.hannover.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:04:57 +0000 In-Reply-To: Martin Knoblauch "Re: SGI 68k machines?" (Jul 24, 14:48) References: <199707241238.OAA09513@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> <33D74F2A.794B@munich.sgi.com> X-Face: +.n!QKG7O5w\:2hJh%S}+iu)$t[N^n/eh9w-}^>U?i6]!O|,ubP5E$:C05Wot=|3?_N&bjk 4w%$@iFnNm&KCFms>NC]uX!T)xVcoM32jd`qO\VWkG6zc(!H)d`?1>CNrT:HOyT2mtxJ$(*M,QBe4d LYJVuvh!kn}3M}wqP6}cd(b0%+q9$.{+kIFC3ECFnZ3/ok|NqVgtG0^/{+9-6i52'n,H::f|!_du_e Gd*A~4xUbln#@ Organization: Silicon Graphics GmbH Reply-To: axel@hannover.sgi.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: Martin Knoblauch , Ralf Baechle Subject: Re: SGI 68k machines? Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2299 Lines: 63 Yeh, I remember working on the SGI 3130/3120 in 1987/88 . they were equipped with 68020s and the ido was included, the os fit on a 60MB QIC tape ... Axel On Jul 24, 14:48, Martin Knoblauch wrote: > Subject: Re: SGI 68k machines? > Ralf Baechle wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > over the time I received several requests of Linux for m68k based SGI > > machines. First of all, did SGI build m68k based machines at all? > > If so these machines must be from latest the mid-eighties, probably > > earlier? > > > > Ralf > Ralf, > > those were the first SGI products. The IRIS-1x00, -2x00 and > -3x00 series. > > CPU board based on the 68020. No 68881 FPU, but you could > get a FPU accellerator board based on multiple Weitek chips. > Up to 8 MB (or was it 16 MB, maybe only 4), IRIS-GL based GFX, > MEX window manager. > > Bus system was Multibus. Disks ESDI, SMD and IPI. Don't > know what the SCSI story was. > > Build from 83/84 until probably 88. Not a bad system for > that time. > > Martin > -- > +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ > |Martin Knoblauch | Silicon Graphics GmbH | > |Manager Technical Marketing | Am Hochacker 3 - Technopark | > |Silicon Graphics Computer Systems| D-85630 Grasbrunn-Neukeferloh, FRG| > |---------------------------------| Phone: (+int) 89 46108-179 or -0 | > |http://reality.sgi.com/knobi | Fax: (+int) 89 46107-179 | > +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ > |e-mail: | VM: 6-333-8197 | M/S: IDE-3150 | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >-- End of excerpt from Martin Knoblauch -- ___________________________________________________________________ Axel Sammet | HNV Office: +49 511 9017229 Projektmanager | Home Office: +49 40 60679230 <---- Visual Simulation | Fax: +49 511 6138115 Silicon Graphics GmbH | Fax Home: +49 40 6047117 <---- Ahrensburger Strasse 3 | Mobil: +49 171 3583206 30659 Hannover | E-Mail: axel@hannover.sgi.com Germany | V-Mail: 331-8629 ___________________________________________________________________ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 24 10:43:45 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA476413; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA26695 for linux-list; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:42:55 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA26657 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:42:52 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA26102 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:42:52 -0700 From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199707241742.KAA26102@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: one more Indy running Linux To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1936 Lines: 54 Hi, Mark Salter just joined the list. I hope that having Linux run on an Indy will soon be very common. At this point it is rare enough to be worth posting. What is nice about this case is that Mark just grabbed whatever we have on the ftp site currently (which is not yet ready) and without being involved before, managed to get it to run in short order. Whoever can fix this: Please note the hiccups and problems in the process. Maybe we should just update the precompiled binaries we give to people :-) ----- Forwarded message from Mark Salter ----- >From marks@sun470.rd.qms.com Thu Jul 24 08:20:01 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:19:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199707241519.KAA16443@speedy.qms.com.rd.qms.com> From: Mark Salter To: ariel@sgi.com Cc: lm@cthulhu, davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9707178691.AA869165377@internet-mail.it.qms.com> (ariel@sgi.com) Subject: Re: [marks@sun470.rd.qms.com: mips linux] [ pointers deleted ] Thanks for the pointers, guys. I had relatively little trouble booting linux on my Indy. I put the "root-be-0.00.cpio.gz" filesystem on my PPro linux machine and built the kernel from the sources there. The only problems were: * The ".previous" bug in the crossdev binutils binary. This problem got some mention in the mailing list, but no resolution was mentioned. I got the sources and a patch from ftp.linux.sgi.com, rebuilt binutils and that fixed that. * I wasn't sure how (or if it is even possible) to get "root=" options to the kernel from the Indy ARC PROM, so I changed NFS_ROOT in include/linux/nfs_fs.h to point to the right place where I placed the root filesystem. So, you can now add me to the list of folks with Indys running linux. I guess I'll start working on fixing up a second disk so I don't have to boot off the network... --Mark ----- End of forwarded message from Mark Salter ----- -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 31 00:25:46 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id AAA18785; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA03893 for linux-list; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:09:27 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA03459 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:07:06 -0700 Received: from swan.ml.org (eerandy.swan.ac.uk [137.44.4.77]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA07224 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:07:03 -0700 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (surd [137.44.10.205]) by swan.ml.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA21402; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:06:35 +0100 Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wrT66-0005FxC; Thu, 24 Jul 97 19:58 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: SGI 68k machines? To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Ralf Baechle) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:58:46 +0100 (BST) Cc: knobi@munich.sgi.com, ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199707241300.PAA12689@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from "Ralf Baechle" at Jul 24, 97 03:00:21 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 429 Lines: 12 > > Build from 83/84 until probably 88. Not a bad system for > > that time. > > I wonder if there is still documentation for these beasts around such > that some dino freak can hack Linux for them? Linux 68K current has an absolute need for an FPU. Thats one of the big macintrash problems we are facing as the 68LC040 not only has no FPU but for many motorola broke the exception handling so you can't even emulate it Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 24 14:10:53 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA525808; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA18261 for linux-list; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:06:53 -0700 Received: from blammo.engr.sgi.com (blammo.engr.sgi.com [130.62.15.51]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA17760 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:05:02 -0700 Received: (from jwiede@localhost) by blammo.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA03536 for linux@cthulhu; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:56:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:56:34 -0700 From: jwiede@blammo.engr.sgi.com (John Wiederhirn) Message-Id: <9707241356.ZM3565@blammo.engr.sgi.com> X-Face: 'rEN+vrv,h:"?|h{Q,A@Is5T#VUFb=Kp>c]5sK@![sLA$9^UoAtgryPHsqEOv5p&09H\E:p )h:LCq-vz/dWH?Kn#A334hP4mM/**@..@TF($8<2LyeDSJqsnEnZ~O{>`EWm]QQ\>aSm9j,J_t0NF` Rt`td=N-r1R~c2}l+Q^q[bYP0d_bzVWox>.pWNi$75*m,BlJ4-X"Q`x`OUCkz/gg>pIUf|KWs6{r=J zE7[.14o:oq9Du"#C`^(MM_`?#!k:5%P4:Pfpy)5X7@fE|gq0XV(s/jUG?[>#ldY_4tG(Ng$:DRC X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Possible X solutions. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 768 Lines: 23 Has anyone considered perhaps partnering with either Metrolink or Xi Graphics (makers of Accelerated-X) and having _them_ be the providers of the X server for SGI? It would seem to provide some benefits... A. Allows us to keep gfx security. Neither Metrolink nor Xi Graphics releases the source code to their servers, and we should be able to get them into some form of a confidentiality agreement. B. Gives us a venue by which SGI can provide optimized versions of OpenGL for Linux/Intel. This is what we could bring to the table. C. Lends additional credibility to the Linux/SGI port. Just an idea. -- John Wiederhirn (DSD, Graphics Kernel MTS) jwiede@engr.sgi.com "Smithers, unleash the human insight and creativity." From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 24 20:20:01 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id UAA594958; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA10041 for linux-list; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:16:48 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA09861 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:15:47 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id UAA05430 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:15:44 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA28096 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:15:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: An update... In-Reply-To: <199707241742.KAA26102@oz.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1606 Lines: 48 Okay, I spent some time on my Indy today, and ran into some things: - somehow, booting with: boot -f boopt()bootserver:vmlinux nfsaddrs:my.ip.add.ress:bo.ot.ip.addr doesn't work. It gives me the error ": can't open". Odd. But: boot -f boopt()bootserver:vmlinux does work. - My root partition isn't being mounted read/write. I can't figure it out. /proc/mounts does indicate that it's rw, and I'm sure the NFS export is setup correctly. - I have two disks on the system, sda has Irix on it, and sdb is empty. I didn't have fdisk compiled (alhtough I tried), but mke2fs /dev/sdb worked. It mounted, but... I got a tonne of ext2 errors when rebooting and remounting. Irix tells me the disk is good. - While doing a lot of NFS stuff, I got a the following panic: Got a bus error IRQ, shouldn't happen yet ... Cause: 00004000 Spinning and then the whole thing locks. I'm using Mike Shaver's 2.1.43. Should anyone have a brand new 2.1.47, I'd love to try it. (actually, I should probably sort out how to cross compile my own kernels... I'd be doing a good thing to package the cross compile utilities that Ralf's made into an RPM... never mind the .src.rpm for now) - Is there anyway to get rid of that jazzy sound startup thing? Sure, it puts all the Mac's in my office to shame, but after about the twentieth time it's a little bothering... - Binaries I'm looking for: fdisk, ps, network tools... Anyway, things are looking better and better... - Alex Alex deVries Success is realizing System Administrator attainable dreams. The EngSoc Project From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 25 02:01:29 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id CAA710654; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA11901 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:01:08 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA11888; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:01:02 -0700 Received: from swan.ml.org (eerandy.swan.ac.uk [137.44.4.77]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id CAA23315; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:01:00 -0700 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (surd [137.44.10.205]) by swan.ml.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24061; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:00:26 +0100 Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wrgCw-0005FlC; Fri, 25 Jul 97 09:58 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Possible X solutions. To: jwiede@blammo.engr.sgi.com (John Wiederhirn) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:58:42 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <9707241356.ZM3565@blammo.engr.sgi.com> from "John Wiederhirn" at Jul 24, 97 01:56:34 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 602 Lines: 18 > Has anyone considered perhaps partnering with either Metrolink > or Xi Graphics (makers of Accelerated-X) and having _them_ be > the providers of the X server for SGI? If there's not going to be a free X server for the SGI then Ariel can keep the machine... > B. Gives us a venue by which SGI can provide optimized > versions of OpenGL for Linux/Intel. This is what we > could bring to the table. > > C. Lends additional credibility to the Linux/SGI port. These two are probably good reasons for having a valued added option. However crippling a required system component isnt. Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 25 11:35:09 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA918152; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA18422 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:33:44 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA18404 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:33:38 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA28683 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:33:33 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA25237; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:32:00 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707251832.UAA25237@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id UAA06233; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:31:58 +0200 Subject: Modutils 2.1.42 for MIPS Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:31:57 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1443 Lines: 30 Hi all, I've copied my home CVS repository of modutils to Linus. There are still two one line fixes to the kernel required to make modules work. I'll check them in asap. Many modules are working reliable while other don't work at all. I suppose there is still some bug in the relocation code. Try 'en and check if they work for you. When modutils are finally debugged I'll release normal tar.gz source packages and binaries on the usual FTP sites. Another note about modules affects the performance. Modules are allocated in kernel virtual memory which starts from 0xc0000000 upward. This exceeds the range of the R_MIPS_16 relocation for j and jal instructions. Therefore modules have to be compiled using the option -mlong-jumps which replaces j and jal instructions by la jr/jalr sequences. These take twelve instead for four bytes and are a bit slower. There are more efficient way to solve this problem but these are also more complex. Simple rules to optimize module code when using -mlong-jump: - Try to call as view external functions as possible. Only calls to external functins are affected by -mlong-jumps. - Taking the address of a function and calling it via a function pointer is advantageous for repeated calls. This is a problematic specific to MIPS. The other considerations that apply to modules on Intel machines apply unchanged to MIPS. Probably not worth to write that much about ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 25 12:19:36 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA939388; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA01663 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:18:44 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA01515; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:18:03 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA13798; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:17:59 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11145; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:16:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:16:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199707251916.OAA11145@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk CC: jwiede@blammo.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Subject: Re: Possible X solutions. X-Unix: is friendly, it is just selective about who its friends are. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2324 Lines: 55 > > Has anyone considered perhaps partnering with either Metrolink > > or Xi Graphics (makers of Accelerated-X) and having _them_ be > > the providers of the X server for SGI? > > If there's not going to be a free X server for the SGI then Ariel > can keep the machine... No need for that. I got the time to read all of the documentation on the newport graphics. I am da-newport-man now :-). There is only *one* thing I have not figured out and which is rather important: How can I DMA from the video card to the host memory? I know I can set the bit that does the DMA, but I have not found how to setup the DMA transfer to the host memory, so if a SGI graphics hacker is reading this, I would appreciate a little hint with this. We will have a kick-ass X server once I start coding it (I am just finishing the shared memory input queue driver now which is making me suffer a bit). When I was reading the X11R6 porting guide there were a lot of hooks that did not make sense. Then I read the Mark Kilgard's paper on direct-rendering and got the newport specs, now everything makes sense. I am possitively convinced that all the X speed improvements in the IRIX server are cleanly separated and do not require changes to the main X sample server from MIT. So, we can get an X server pretty easily that will match the power in Xsgi (including direct rendering, I have most of this code written, just the actual context-switch for the rex3 is missing, will get to rex3 context switch once I get shmiq finished :-) > B. Gives us a venue by which SGI can provide optimized > versions of OpenGL for Linux/Intel. This is what we > could bring to the table. Well, the optimizations in SGI's OpenGL require some hardware support: starting with the direct graphics kernel support, continuing with the kernel rendering resource manager and then having hardware acceleration in their video cards and all kind of graphic tricks to improve performance. I strongly recomend reading Mark Kilgard's papers on how they use the hardware features of the SGI machines to make graphics scream. > C. Lends additional credibility to the Linux/SGI port. Commercial applications for Linux/SGI will appear at some point, but rememeber, the ideal world is made up of machines running free systems. Cheers, Miguel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 25 18:11:07 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA1041382; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA15366 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:10:39 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA15349 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:10:35 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id SAA15312 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:10:34 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA15877 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:10:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Kernel compile problems... In-Reply-To: <199707251916.OAA11145@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2702 Lines: 64 I cvs'd out the kernel this evening, and I tried compiling it. The compiling tools I'm using are the same ones in the crossdev directory on linus.linux.sgi.com (and I've converted _those_ to RPM's, for your installation convenience). I got the following problems with compiling it: - in scripts/mkdep.c, in the mmap() function, references MAP_AUTOGROW, which is unknown. I just removed it out for my compile. - in Ariel's instructiosn on how to cross compile a kernel, it says to use make CROSS_COMPILE=mips-linux CONFIG_SHELL=/usr/freeware/bin/bash But, the compile then can't find mips-linuxgcc . Apparantly, using: make CROSS_COMPILE=mips-linux- CONFIG_SHELL=/usr/freeware/bin/bash ^^^ works. (I'd like to absorb this in to the HOWTO, incidentally). - I get the following compile error: make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/adevries/linux/drivers/sgi/char' make all_targets make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/adevries/linux/drivers/sgi/char' mips-linux-gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/adevries/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -G 0 -mno-abicalls -fno-pic -mcpu=r4600 -mips2 -pipe -c -o graphics.o graphics.c graphics.c:33: asm/rrm.h: No such file or directory graphics.c: In function `sgi_graphics_ioctl': graphics.c:56: `RRM_BASE' undeclared (first use this function) graphics.c:56: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once graphics.c:56: for each function it appears in.) graphics.c:56: `RRM_CMD_LIMIT' undeclared (first use this function) graphics.c:57: warning: implicit declaration of function `rrm_command' graphics.c: In function `sgi_graphics_close': graphics.c:151: warning: implicit declaration of function `rrm_close' graphics.c: In function `sgi_graphics_nopage': graphics.c:168: structure has no member named `vm_inode' graphics.c: In function `sgi_graphics_mmap': graphics.c:225: structure has no member named `vm_inode' graphics.c:226: warning: passing arg 2 of `atomic_add' from incompatible pointer type graphics.c: In function `gfx_init': graphics.c:282: warning: implicit declaration of function `prom_halt' make[4]: *** [graphics.o] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/adevries/linux/drivers/sgi/char' make[3]: *** [first_rule] Error 2 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/adevries/linux/drivers/sgi/char' make[2]: *** [sub_dirs] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/adevries/linux/drivers/sgi' make[1]: *** [sub_dirs] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/adevries/linux/drivers' make: *** [linuxsubdirs] Error 2 lager 9:07pm {2} - Alex Alex deVries Success is realizing System Administrator attainable dreams. The EngSoc Project From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 25 19:47:56 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA1108904; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA01867 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:47:36 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA01859 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:47:31 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id TAA01455 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:47:30 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA14779; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:45:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:45:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199707260245.VAA14779@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: (message from Alex deVries on Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:10:15 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Kernel compile problems... X-Windows: Sometimes you fill a vacuum and it still sucks. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 731 Lines: 19 > (I'd like to absorb this in to the HOWTO, incidentally). > > - I get the following compile error: > > make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/adevries/linux/drivers/sgi/char' > make all_targets > make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/adevries/linux/drivers/sgi/char' > mips-linux-gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/adevries/linux/include -Wall > -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -G 0 -mno-abicalls -fno-pic > -mcpu=r4600 -mips2 -pipe -c -o graphics.o graphics.c > graphics.c:33: asm/rrm.h: No such file or directory > graphics.c: In function `sgi_graphics_ioctl': Ok. This is my fault, do not compile this module and you should be fine. I will try to commit all of my changes tomorrow (with my shmiq code :-). Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 25 22:40:22 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA857030; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA29129 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:39:18 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA29120 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:39:15 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id WAA22459 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:39:13 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id BAA30858 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 01:38:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 01:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Tips on making yourself unpopular In-Reply-To: <199707260245.VAA14779@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1253 Lines: 36 I waited carefully until I was sure that everybody would be asleep, and rearranged the FTP server. This may not be a popular decision with some of you, but I think this structure makes a lot more sense. The first major change is that I've configured wu-ftpd instead of the prepackaged ftpd that comes with Irix. The next change is that I've moved everything to /src/ftp, so that people aren't puzzled why we're distributing our web logs via FTP. Also, I've shuffled some of the stuff under the former /pub/linux down one, and put some source code (such as ktrace) where it belongs. I've also uploaded my .rpm versions of Ralf's crossdev tools for i486 hosts. If I had sources I could compile for binutils and gcc, I'd generate ones for sparc-sun-linux hosted as well. Anyway, if you don't like the FTP server structure, feel free to complain to me. In other news... - the HOWTO will be seperated from the FAQ tomorrow, bringing both versions to 0.03. Plenty of technical details have been added - I'm working on creating a smaller root.tar.gz package. Having ps and fdisk would be very cool... - Alex Alex deVries Success is realizing System Administrator attainable dreams. The EngSoc Project From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 26 10:13:55 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA1393662; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA09135 for linux-list; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:13:32 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA09125 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:13:30 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA03387 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:13:29 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA29347 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:13:25 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707261713.TAA29347@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id TAA07046; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:13:23 +0200 Subject: Linus To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:13:22 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 222 Lines: 7 Hi all, I've created a new group "ftpadmin" on Linus. All files in the pub tree on the web server now have this groups, the directories are SETGID. For now all members of the vip group are also ftpadmin members. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 26 10:27:30 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA1388512; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA11931 for linux-list; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:27:07 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA11912 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:27:02 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA04967 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:27:01 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA00825 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:26:57 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707261726.TAA00825@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id TAA07058; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:26:56 +0200 Subject: Modules To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:26:55 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 718 Lines: 17 Hi, I tracked the modules bug down. Turned out that it was an I/D cache coherency problem; the modutils work fine as they are in the CVS on Linus. Right now I really wonder why modules work at all on any architecture with split I/D caches. I've built a Indy kernel with 40 modules configured. Of these 35 seem to be working. Not that I have taken myself the time to create the test setups for testing them all ... Those that don't work on a Indy are psaux, sgiwd33, ipv6, msdos and binfmt_java. I'd also use this occasion to introduce Thomas Bogendoerfer on this list. Thomas is currently as far as time permits _the_ Olivetti M700 hacker. Means that he will also get live back into your Magnums :-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 26 10:43:03 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA1400297; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA15958 for linux-list; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:42:41 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA15939 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:42:37 -0700 Received: from jenolan.rutgers.edu (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA06648 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:42:36 -0700 env-from (davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu) Received: (from davem@localhost) by jenolan.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03940; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 13:41:29 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 13:41:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199707261741.NAA03940@jenolan.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199707261726.TAA00825@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> (message from Ralf Baechle on Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:26:55 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: Modules Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 362 Lines: 9 From: Ralf Baechle Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:26:55 +0200 (MET DST) Right now I really wonder why modules work at all on any architecture with split I/D caches. On most sparc32's with split I/D, the Icache fully snoops the L2 and even the store buffer. On sparc64, I flush the icache when a module mapping is made... From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 29 13:13:38 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA13463; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA04832 for linux-list; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:12:56 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA04680 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:12:36 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA04137 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 12:37:01 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11767; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:34:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:34:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199707291934.OAA11767@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: /dev/usema and /dev/usemaclone device drivers Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 689 Lines: 19 Hello guys, I am trying to figure out how the /dev/usema and /dev/usemaclone devices work on IRIX. These devices are used by the IRIX Xsgi server, so, well, we need to support them. I have read the manual page for the devices, but they suggest that people should not be using this device directly, so it does not go into any detail about the inner working of it. So, I would appreciate information on what this device is supposed to do and how the libc uses this to provide the spinlocks and semaphores. Should be pretty easy to figure out how part of the interface by looking at the libc implementation for the usinit, usnewlock and usnewsema functions. Cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 29 13:16:49 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA13327; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA06460 for linux-list; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:16:17 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA06402 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:16:10 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA15961 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:16:08 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12170; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:13:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:13:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199707292013.PAA12170@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199707181957.MAA13402@oz.engr.sgi.com> (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Pending project and status page on www.linux.sgi.com Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 154 Lines: 7 I have placed a pending project and status information page on www.linux.sgi.com, please feel free to add further entries to the list. Cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 30 11:24:42 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA57580; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA09915 for linux-list; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:23:27 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA09593 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:22:04 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA28865 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:21:59 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA07944 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:21:44 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199707301821.UAA07944@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id UAA04625; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:21:42 +0200 Subject: CVS commits To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:21:41 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 296 Lines: 8 Hi all, what do you think, should we open a new mailing list where everybody is allowed to subscribe. Only the CVS commits and other important announcements are being posted? This would help making the development more transparent by showing interested non-developers what's going on. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 30 11:50:10 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA67346; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA14517 for linux-list; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:48:24 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA14188; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:46:43 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA12371; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:36:43 -0700 From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199707301836.LAA12371@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: CVS commits To: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Ralf Baechle) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199707301821.UAA07944@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from "Ralf Baechle" at Jul 30, 97 08:21:41 pm Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 689 Lines: 25 : :Hi all, : :what do you think, should we open a new mailing list where everybody :is allowed to subscribe. Only the CVS commits and other important :announcements are being posted? This would help making the development :more transparent by showing interested non-developers what's going on. : : Ralf : Ralf, I believe we already have one, it was created by me when David Miller was working here in the summer of 96: To: majordomo@engr.sgi.com subscribe linux-progress your@preferred.email.address So just add linux-progress@engr.sgi.com to the CVS commit alias [This should work for all the SGI internal interested parties not sure about external people...] -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 30 22:14:30 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA14911; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA13416 for linux-list; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:14:09 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA13372; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:14:03 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA15496; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:14:03 -0700 From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199707310514.WAA15496@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: CVS commits To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at Jul 30, 97 06:30:55 pm Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 404 Lines: 17 : : :On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Ariel Faigon wrote: :> To: majordomo@engr.sgi.com :> subscribe linux-progress your@preferred.email.address :> :> [This should work for all the SGI internal interested parties :> not sure about external people...] : :Actually, that isn't available externally. : [just ccing the rest of the list] I believe I now tamed the majordomo config into submission. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 31 06:30:36 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA28802; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 06:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA21420 for linux-list; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 06:30:13 -0700 Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA21392 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 06:30:09 -0700 Received: from cygnus by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id JAA25662; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:30:03 -0400 Message-ID: <33E0935A.1C5DC1D3@cygnus.detroit.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:30:02 -0400 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01b6C [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ariel Faigon CC: Alex deVries , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: CVS commits X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199707310514.WAA15496@oz.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1136 Lines: 35 Ariel Faigon wrote: > > : > : > :On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Ariel Faigon wrote: > :> To: majordomo@engr.sgi.com > :> subscribe linux-progress your@preferred.email.address > :> > :> [This should work for all the SGI internal interested parties > :> not sure about external people...] > : > :Actually, that isn't available externally. > : > [just ccing the rest of the list] > > I believe I now tamed the majordomo config into submission. > > -- > Peace, Ariel Just a quick note. The new internet gateway distribution (now available on dist.engr I think) will include GUI majordomo config. -- Eric Kimminau System Engineer eak@detroit.sgi.com Silicon Graphics, Inc Voice: (248) 848-4455 39001 West 12 Mile Rd. Fax: (248) 848-5600 Farmington, MI 48331-2903 VNet Extension - 6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/perl-rsa-sig.html When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 31 11:22:29 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA121714; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA04656 for linux-list; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:19:12 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA04319 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:15:27 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA07828 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:36:07 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00548; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:32:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:32:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199707311732.MAA00548@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: (message from Alex deVries on Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:15:26 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: An update... X-Mexico: Este es un pais de orates, un pais amateur. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 262 Lines: 8 > - Is there anyway to get rid of that jazzy sound startup thing? Sure, it > puts all the Mac's in my office to shame, but after about the twentieth > time it's a little bothering... Co-workers get the felling you are doing something interesting :-) Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 31 22:03:49 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com ([192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA10450; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA11565 for linux-list; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:40:20 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA11407 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:39:38 -0700 Received: from multi11.netcomi.com (multi11.netcomi.com [204.58.155.211]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA27339 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:28:32 -0700 env-from (mgix@nothingreal.com) Received: from void (lax-ca55-13.ix.netcom.com [206.217.142.109]) by multi11.netcomi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17877; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:27:31 -0500 Message-ID: <33E0D88D.167E@nothingreal.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:25:17 -0700 From: Emmanuel Mogenet Organization: Nothing Real, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miguel de Icaza CC: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: An update... References: <199707311732.MAA00548@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 447 Lines: 14 Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > > - Is there anyway to get rid of that jazzy sound startup thing? Sure, it > > puts all the Mac's in my office to shame, but after about the twentieth > > time it's a little bothering... There's a parameter in the nvram to set the volume to 0. - Mgix ________________________________________________________________________________ Emmanuel Mogenet PGP Key on Request From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 31 20:29:59 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id UAA03392; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA10669 for linux-list; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:29:21 -0700 Received: from odin.corp.sgi.com (odin.corp.sgi.com [192.26.51.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA19016 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:54:56 -0700 Received: from jibe.esd.sgi.com by odin.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/951211.SGI) for id LAA01541; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:28:26 -0700 Received: by jibe.esd.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA29521; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:28:20 -0700 From: kyriazis@jibe.esd.sgi.com (George Kyriazis) Message-Id: <199707311828.LAA29521@jibe.esd.sgi.com> Subject: Re: An update... In-Reply-To: <199707311732.MAA00548@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> from Miguel de Icaza at "Jul 31, 97 12:32:21 pm" To: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx (Miguel de Icaza) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 698 Lines: 22 > > - Is there anyway to get rid of that jazzy sound startup thing? Sure, it > > puts all the Mac's in my office to shame, but after about the twentieth > > time it's a little bothering... > > Co-workers get the felling you are doing something interesting :-) > > Miguel. > Yes... Go into the prom monitor and set the volume to be 0. --george -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Kyriazis | Silicon Graphics, Inc., 1L-945 | kyriazis@sgi.com | 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd. | 415-933-2828 | Mt. View, CA 94043 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 31 11:53:37 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA128763; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA15433 for linux-list; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:52:54 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA15386 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:52:48 -0700 Received: from aec.at (web.aec.at [193.170.192.5]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA28430 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:31:37 -0700 env-from (oliver@aec.at) Received: (from oliver@localhost) by aec.at (8.8.3/8.7) id UAA05024; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:31:26 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:31:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: Oliver Frommel To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: An update... In-Reply-To: <199707311732.MAA00548@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 298 Lines: 13 On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > > - Is there anyway to get rid of that jazzy sound startup thing? Sure, it > > puts all the Mac's in my office to shame, but after about the twentieth > > time it's a little bothering... > > in the boot monitor enter "setenv volume 0" oliver From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 31 22:02:05 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com ([192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA10399; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA26122 for linux-list; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:22:16 -0700 Received: from odin.corp.sgi.com (odin.corp.sgi.com [192.26.51.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA25574 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:19:37 -0700 Received: from sgibos.boston.sgi.com by odin.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/951211.SGI) for id LAA04423; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:38:50 -0700 Received: from tvp.boston.sgi.com by sgibos.boston.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI) id OAA18526; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:38:45 -0400 Received: (from wmesard@localhost) by tvp.boston.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA09712; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:44:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:44:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199707311844.OAA09712@tvp.boston.sgi.com> From: Wayne Mesard To: Alex deVries Cc: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: startup tune In-Reply-To: Alex deVries's message of 24 July 1997 23:15:26 References: <199707241742.KAA26102@oz.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 304 Lines: 10 Alex deVries writes: > - Is there anyway to get rid of that jazzy sound startup thing? Sure, it > puts all the Mac's in my office to shame, but after about the twentieth > time it's a little bothering... From the prom: setenv volume 0 From an Irix shell: nvram volume 0 Wayne(); 617-489-7864 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 31 12:17:02 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA135586; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA21405 for linux-list; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:13:39 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA20877; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:10:48 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA17852; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:09:26 -0700 From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199707311909.MAA17852@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: An update... To: oliver@aec.at (Oliver Frommel) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Oliver Frommel" at Jul 31, 97 08:31:26 pm Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 425 Lines: 19 : :On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Miguel de Icaza wrote: : :> :> > - Is there anyway to get rid of that jazzy sound startup thing? Sure, it :> > puts all the Mac's in my office to shame, but after about the twentieth :> > time it's a little bothering... :> :> : :in the boot monitor enter "setenv volume 0" : :oliver : It can also be done from the shell with "nvram volume 10" or a similar low value (man nvram). -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 31 11:35:11 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA126590; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA09700 for linux-list; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:34:28 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA09637 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:34:17 -0700 Received: from swan.ml.org (eerandy.swan.ac.uk [137.44.4.77]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA29185 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:34:14 -0700 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (surd [137.44.10.205]) by swan.ml.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07149; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:31:51 +0100 Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wu104-0005FiC; Thu, 31 Jul 97 20:35 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: An update... To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:35:04 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at Jul 24, 97 11:15:26 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 310 Lines: 12 > - My root partition isn't being mounted read/write. I can't figure it > out. /proc/mounts does indicate that it's rw, and I'm sure the NFS export > is setup correctly. Are you remounting root after startup and do you have our export set not to map root to nobody ? (try mount -o remount,rw -n /) Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 31 22:06:23 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com ([192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA10481; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA15446 for linux-list; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:42:11 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA15209 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:40:57 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA10929 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:54:06 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04021; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:51:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:51:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199707312351.SAA04021@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux/SGI: SHMIQ Cache aliasing problems. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1150 Lines: 28 Hello guys, I am running into a strange problem with the SHMIQ driver. I am allocating a set of pages in the kernel space with vmalloc and then mapping those pages into the user address space by loading the page tables for the process with pointers to this region. This is needed, since the kernel should be able to put new values into the shmiq and the userland process can just be busy-waiting for changes to the head/tail pointers in the SHMIQ. Now, I marked the pages as being non-cachable for both the kernel and the userland, but still, some changes made by the kernel to the shared region are not picked up by the userland program. Note that the userland program always detects when the kernel has moved the tail of the shmiq, but when actually accessing the event, sometimes I get zeros on an event that should have other values). According to a book I got here, the r4000 uses a direct mapped virtual cache and I was concerned that the aliasing problems may come up in this case, so the question is: do I have to flush the caches even if my pages have the non-cacheable bits turned on for both sides? Cheers, Miguel.