From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 1 04:01:47 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id EAA970278 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA19540 for linux-list; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:01:08 -0700 Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA19530 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:01:04 -0700 Received: from cygnus.detroit.sgi.com by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id GAA02065; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:59:43 -0400 Message-ID: <34322D1F.8AEDE04@cygnus.detroit.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 06:59:43 -0400 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralf Baechle CC: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: For stability freaks ... References: <199710010102.SAA22736@dns.cobaltmicro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1247 Lines: 34 Ralf Baechle wrote: > > Ok, I said I'd touch 2.0.x for MIPS again when hell freezes. It was > damn cold weather the last days and hell has froozen ... > > [root@(none) /]# uname -a > Linux (none) 2.0.30 #389 Tue Sep 30 17:47:39 PDT 1997 mips unknown > [root@(none) /]# cat /proc/cpuinfo > cpu : MIPS > cpu model : Nevada V1.0 > system type : Cray YMP [just kidding ...] > BogoMIPS : 131.89 > byteorder : little endian > unaligned accesses : 0 > wait instruction : yes > microsecond timers : yes > extra interrupt vector : yes > > Ralf Thats quite an impressive BogoMips number for a machine that old... -- Eric Kimminau System Engineer/RSA eak@detroit.sgi.com Silicon Graphics, Inc Voice: (248) 848-4455 39001 West 12 Mile Rd. Fax: (248) 848-5600 Farmington, MI 48331-2903 VNet Extension - 6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/perl-rsa-sig.html When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 1 08:56:58 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA996531 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA10344 for linux-list; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:56:38 -0700 Received: from heaven.newport.sgi.com (heaven.newport.sgi.com [169.238.102.134]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA10338 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:56:35 -0700 Received: (from carlson@localhost) by heaven.newport.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA13078 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:56:30 -0700 From: "Christopher W. Carlson" Message-Id: <9710010856.ZM13076@heaven.newport.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:56:30 -0700 In-Reply-To: "William J. Earl" "Re: IRIX ELF docs" (Sep 30, 4:42pm) References: <199709302336.QAA22417@dns.cobaltmicro.com> <199709302342.QAA14355@fir.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: IRIX ELF docs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1706 Lines: 40 On Sep 30, 4:42pm, William J. Earl wrote: > Subject: Re: IRIX ELF docs > Ralf Baechle writes: > > Hi all, > > > > our current linker is producing IRIX flavored ELF binaries, not MIPS > > ABI. We still seem to have some bugs in the dynamic linker and these > > are now pretty close to the top on my to do list. However I've got > > not documentation about the IRIX binary format, so I'm pretty much > > relying on reverse engineering for fixing them. Does anybody have > > a pointer to documentation or documentation about IRIX ELF flavoured > > o32 bit object file format? > > IRIX ELF O32 (dynamic) object files are MIPS ABI object files. > There are optional extra sections, to support features such as "quickstart" > (which allows RLD to skip some of the fixups at startup time), but the > required parts are as defined by the MIPS ABI. >-- End of excerpt from William J. Earl I recently went to the local technical bookstore and found that AT&T no longer publishes the ABI books (the blue covered books describing the ELF format). The bookstore was, thus, unable to even order them for me. Does anybody know where to buy these books? -- Chris Carlson +------------------------------------------------------+ | Also, carlson@sgi.com | | Work: (714) 224-4530 | | Vnet: 6-678-4530 FAX: (714) 833-9503 | | | | Trivia fact: an electroencephalogram shows that a | | human brain and a bowl of quivering lime Jell-O have | | the same waves. [Time Magazine, Mar 17, 1997] | +------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 1 10:21:23 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA874063 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA24384 for linux-list; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:20:58 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA24353 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:20:57 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA13138; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199710011720.KAA13138@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: IRIX ELF docs To: carlson@heaven.newport.sgi.com (Christopher W. Carlson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <9710010856.ZM13076@heaven.newport.sgi.com> from "Christopher W. Carlson" at Oct 1, 97 08:56:30 am Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1274 Lines: 41 Chris wrote: : :I recently went to the local technical bookstore and found that AT&T :no longer publishes the ABI books (the blue covered books describing :the ELF format). The bookstore was, thus, unable to even order them :for me. : :Does anybody know where to buy these books? : Not specifically on the ABI, but a search for "MIPS" on www.amazon.com gives only 4 hits, two of which are out-of-print/hard-to-find and probably irrelevant, and two that on the architecture only: Mips R4000 User's Manual Joseph Heinrich / Paperback / Published 1993 Our Price: $44.00 Mips Risc Architecture ~ Ships in 2-3 days Gerry Kane, Joe Heinrich / Paperback / Published 1991 Our Price: $46.00 Read more about this title... Mips-X Risc Microprocessor (Kluwer International Series in Engineering and Computer Science) Paul Chow / Hardcover / Published 1989 (Publisher Out Of Stock) Mips Risc Architecture Published 1991 (Hard to Find) The canonical place to look for MIPS ABI stuff is: www.mipsabi.org The SGI specific quickstart stuff and whatever is not published on www.mipsabi.org is probably not publicly documented and I suspect not even documented much beyond the (rld etc.) source itself. I'll be glad to be proven wrong on this. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 1 16:32:14 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA1048498 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA01512 for linux-list; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:31:21 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA01499; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:31:16 -0700 Received: from dns.cobaltmicro.com ([209.19.61.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA19787; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:31:03 -0700 env-from (ralf@mail2.cobaltmicro.com) Received: from dull.cobaltmicro.com (dull.cobaltmicro.com [209.19.61.35]) by dns.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27575; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:31:04 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by dull.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17090; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:28:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199710012328.QAA17090@dull.cobaltmicro.com> Subject: Re: IRIX ELF docs To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: carlson@heaven.newport.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199710011720.KAA13138@oz.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at Oct 1, 97 10:20:38 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 423 Lines: 10 > The SGI specific quickstart stuff and whatever is not published > on www.mipsabi.org is probably not publicly documented and > I suspect not even documented much beyond the (rld etc.) source itself. > I'll be glad to be proven wrong on this. Apropos quickstart, I recently had a discussion with someone about quickstart & performance. Does anybody have hard numbers about how much the speedup by quickstart is? Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 1 18:04:34 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA557106 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA18178 for linux-list; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:02:47 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA18174 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:02:45 -0700 Received: from emout32.mail.aol.com (emout32.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.15]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id SAA11962 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:02:40 -0700 env-from (LetherGlov@aol.com) From: LetherGlov@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout32.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA26020 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001203242_614253298@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Indy Auto power Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 173 Lines: 5 Does anyone know what chip provides the power features for:"wakeupat" and "shutdown -p"? The kernel doesn't yet seem to support these features................ Robbie Stone From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 2 02:39:16 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id CAA1172537 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA28393 for linux-list; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:38:17 -0700 Received: from sgiger.munich.sgi.com (sgiger.munich.sgi.com [144.253.192.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA28389; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:38:13 -0700 Received: from knobi.munich.sgi.com by sgiger.munich.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI) id LAA07348; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:38:05 +0200 Received: from munich.sgi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobi.munich.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951220.SGI.AUTOCF.knobi) via ESMTP id LAA06377; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:38:01 +0200 Message-ID: <34336B79.C800020F@munich.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:38:01 +0200 From: Martin Knoblauch Organization: Silicon Graphics GmbH, Am-Hochacker 3, D-85630 Grasbrunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralf Baechle CC: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, carlson@heaven.newport.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: IRIX ELF docs References: <199710012328.QAA17090@dull.cobaltmicro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1463 Lines: 33 Ralf Baechle wrote: > > > Apropos quickstart, I recently had a discussion with someone about > quickstart & performance. Does anybody have hard numbers about how > much the speedup by quickstart is? > > Ralf Ralf, one of these typical "it depends" questions :-) If your application has only a short list of DSOs to load and if it runs for hours, the effect of quickstart is pretty low. If your app loads a lot of DSOs, which may in turn load other DSOs, the effect on the startup time maybe pretty big (50%). And if the ratio between startup-time and real-work-time is in favour of startup, you better put some effort in quickstarting your DSOs. The major problem is, that the more DSOs you have, the more difficult it is to get all of the quickstarting. So a lot of people never do the work. Martin -- +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |Martin Knoblauch | Silicon Graphics GmbH | |Manager Technical Marketing | Am Hochacker 3 - Technopark | |Silicon Graphics Computer Systems| D-85630 Grasbrunn-Neukeferloh, FRG| |---------------------------------| Phone: (+int) 89 46108-179 or -0 | |http://reality.sgi.com/knobi | Fax: (+int) 89 46107-179 | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ |e-mail: | VM: 6-333-8179 | M/S: IDE-3150 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 2 10:41:48 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA1192801 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA13080 for linux-list; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:41:03 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA13073; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:41:01 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA02997; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199710021741.KAA02997@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Indy Auto power To: LetherGlov@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <971001203242_614253298@emout20.mail.aol.com> from "LetherGlov@aol.com" at Oct 1, 97 09:02:38 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 725 Lines: 22 : :Does anyone know what chip provides the power features for:"wakeupat" and :"shutdown -p"? The kernel doesn't yet seem to support these :features................ : :Robbie Stone : Robbie, The current SGI/Linux kenel doesn't support many more features of the Indy hardware (e.g. sound, video). We got management permission to give the unpublished internal Indy hardware specs to a limited number of developers. I think there are four or five copies out there and that the needed information is there too. It can also be done by tracing reverse-engineering etc. Of course, we'll be glad to see it supported and specific questions would be gladly answered provided someone on the list knows the answer. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 2 18:24:45 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA1246357 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA13739 for linux-list; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:24:07 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA13719 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:24:04 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA14828 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:02:50 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from erbse (ralf@erbse.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.44]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA04831; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:01:08 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199710022301.BAA04831@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by erbse (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id BAA05365; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:01:06 +0200 Subject: Guess it's getting stable ... To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:01:05 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 524 Lines: 12 That's the best scene from the movie I'm just enjoying: 3:44pm up 1:02, 2 users, load average: 137.09, 95.96, 57.83 276 processes: 188 sleeping, 86 running, 2 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 52.9% user, 35.3% system, 66.5% nice, 18.2% idle Mem: 63636K av, 62388K used, 1248K free, 72900K shrd, 440K buff Swap: 130748K av, 95288K used, 35460K free 4412K cached That's compiling two kernels, glibc, gcc, binutils and CVS with make -j. I think I forgot to run a couple of crashmes ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Oct 6 10:54:06 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA1406410 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA29240 for linux-list; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:53:22 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA29231; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:53:21 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA11279; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:52:12 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA14055; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:46:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:46:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199710061746.MAA14055@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com CC: LetherGlov@aol.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199710021741.KAA02997@oz.engr.sgi.com> (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: Indy Auto power X-Windows: Flawed beyond belief. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 342 Lines: 11 > The current SGI/Linux kenel doesn't support many more features > of the Indy hardware (e.g. sound, video). I will get to the sound soon, since I got this nice collection of mp3 files, and the only machine with audio capabilities that I have access is the Indy and it has been days since I last booted IRIX on the Indy. Cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Oct 6 17:20:38 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA1576145 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA13479 for linux-list; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:20:07 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA13465 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:20:05 -0700 Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com (emout20.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.46]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id RAA15801 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:20:01 -0700 env-from (LetherGlov@aol.com) From: LetherGlov@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA05828 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006201727_-762768341@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Indy Specs Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 636 Lines: 15 Hey, Listen...I don't mind you not telling me, I'm sure you like your job at SGI(pooltables, Nintendo64s...capicuino machines) :-) As for the specs, could you talk to mgmt. and see if I could get a copy:-D But for the autopower, all I really want to know is the chip on the motherboard that controls the automatic power on/off. I have no troubles with hunting down the specs for it and figuring it out. Miguel, as for the sound stuff, great, I would comment that although you'll just be starting, but in the end it would be better if it was API compatible with SGI's libaudio.a(can somebody send me libaudio.a?) Good Luck, Robbie From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 7 13:12:05 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA70168 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA05658 for linux-list; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:10:24 -0700 Received: from heaven.newport.sgi.com (heaven.newport.sgi.com [169.238.102.134]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA05652 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:10:22 -0700 Received: (from carlson@localhost) by heaven.newport.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA04418 for linux@engr; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:10:22 -0700 From: "Christopher W. Carlson" Message-Id: <9710071310.ZM4416@heaven.newport.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:10:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: LetherGlov@aol.com "Indy Specs" (Oct 6, 8:19pm) References: <971006201727_-762768341@emout20.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Indy Specs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1380 Lines: 37 On Oct 6, 8:19pm, LetherGlov@aol.com wrote: > Subject: Indy Specs > Hey, > Listen...I don't mind you not telling me, I'm sure you like your job at > SGI(pooltables, Nintendo64s...capicuino machines) :-) > As for the specs, could you talk to mgmt. and see if I could get a copy:-D > > But for the autopower, all I really want to know is the chip on the > motherboard that controls the automatic power on/off. I have no troubles with > hunting down the specs for it and figuring it out. > > Miguel, as for the sound stuff, great, I would comment that although you'll > just be starting, but in the end it would be better if it was API compatible > with SGI's libaudio.a(can somebody send me libaudio.a?) > > Good Luck, > Robbie >-- End of excerpt from LetherGlov@aol.com You could always open the box and look! :-) Just kidding. -- Chris Carlson +------------------------------------------------------+ | Also, carlson@sgi.com | | Work: (714) 224-4530 | | Vnet: 6-678-4530 FAX: (714) 833-9503 | | | | Trivia fact: an electroencephalogram shows that a | | human brain and a bowl of quivering lime Jell-O have | | the same waves. [Time Magazine, Mar 17, 1997] | +------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 7 15:35:53 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA78706 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA22285 for linux-list; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:34:44 -0700 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA22271 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:34:42 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA22563 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:34:41 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA22259 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:34:40 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA06101 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:34:38 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00575; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:02:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:02:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199710072202.RAA00575@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@fir.engr.sgi.com Subject: quick status on linux/sgi Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1050 Lines: 29 Hello guys, Things are looking pretty nice. The kernel that is on the CVS repository as of now, is pretty stable. I have used that to compile my libc natively for the first time as well as compiling the X tree without the X server (because, well, we don't have a X server yet, I have some bits written, but I did not merge them into this specific tree). There are a number of bugs on the dynamic linker that Ralf and I are investigating now. Happilly we have come up with very simple test cases that we can reproduce, so it should take little to fix this (one of the problems prevent Xt applications from running) and the other bug is related to PAM. I have had 5 days uptimes on a loaded machine (compiling lots of code, as well as testing the direct graphic drivers) without having seen a single system crash so far. I had to reboot the machine to test a new kernel. Anyways, it looks pretty good. We now just need to port Red Hat's Mustang distribution to the SGI. What is the status of this port? cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 7 15:56:40 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA92404 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA01030 for linux-list; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:55:31 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA00616 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:54:04 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA16614 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:53:15 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01259; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:41:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:41:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199710072241.RAA01259@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: More Linux/SGI status Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 708 Lines: 26 Hello guys, Ralf's fixes to the dynamic linker fixed the Xt applications. Now, only the PAM remains to be fixed. So, where do we stand now? So, the only bits missing now are: 1. me finishing the support for the X server. just a hack here and there. 1.b. Getting the other important bits of the RRM code in the kernel. 2. me fixing the mouse. 3. Would it be possible to negotiate with SGI management the posibility of shipping the IRIX runtime libraries and the X server as found on IRIX with a Linux disrtibution? 4. A nice, easy-to use install program. Taking the existing Red Hat/Mustand install program and port it should be pretty easy. Cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 7 16:17:26 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA97558 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA11423 for linux-list; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:16:38 -0700 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA11407; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:16:33 -0700 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA22742; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:16:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:16:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199710072316.QAA22742@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: LetherGlov@aol.com Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Indy Specs In-Reply-To: <971006201727_-762768341@emout20.mail.aol.com> References: <971006201727_-762768341@emout20.mail.aol.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1238 Lines: 25 LetherGlov@aol.com writes: ... > But for the autopower, all I really want to know is the chip on the > motherboard that controls the automatic power on/off. I have no troubles with > hunting down the specs for it and figuring it out. ... The autopower feature is controlled by the Dallas DS1286 clock/calendar/ battery-backed-RAM part. This is addressed via the HPC3, and the physical base address of the register block for the part is 0x1fbe0000. If the time-of-day alarm on the INTA pin is configured (bit mask 0x40 set in the command register) and the time of day interrupt is off (bit mask 0x04 turned off in the command register), and the machine is powered off, it will power on when the alarm goes off. You must, of course, configure the time-of-day alarm comparison registers for the time and date when you want the machine to power on. To power off the machine, disable any AC power failure interrupt handling (just ignore the interrupt), turn off the time-of-day interrupt in the DS1286, turn off the watchdog interrupt in the DS1286 (bit mask 0x08 in the command register), and turn off the power supply inhibit bit (bit mask 0x01) in the HPC3 power management register (physical address 0x1fbd9850). From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 7 16:31:51 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA97432 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA17417 for linux-list; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:30:51 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA17386 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:30:49 -0700 Received: from dns.cobaltmicro.com ([209.19.61.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA06151 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:30:33 -0700 env-from (ralf@mail2.cobaltmicro.com) Received: from dull.cobaltmicro.com (dull.cobaltmicro.com [209.19.61.35]) by dns.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24302; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:30:14 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by dull.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17826; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:28:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199710072328.QAA17826@dull.cobaltmicro.com> Subject: Re: More Linux/SGI status To: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx (Miguel de Icaza) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199710072241.RAA01259@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> from "Miguel de Icaza" at Oct 7, 97 05:41:38 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1715 Lines: 44 Hi, > Ralf's fixes to the dynamic linker fixed the Xt applications. Now, > only the PAM remains to be fixed. The PAM problem is also a dynamic linker problem. It's (I hope) one the last major showstopper class bugs that prevent just building a Linux/MIPS distribution from 95% unchanged source packages - and fullfilling all the promises to those loading hardware to me ... Btw, I stopped the mega load test (Running many compilers and tools in parallel) I posted recently after some more hours because the machine ran out of swap, some processes died therefore and load < 100 isn't that interesting ... System call latencies were pretty lousy bad for MIPS kernel because we were using a syscall handler written in C. I rewrote the entire thing in assembler and now we're as fast as a MMX Pentium accounting for the different clock rates. Pretty nice, because we actually have to save/restore many more registers and deal with a more complex system call convention. Seven nops left to eleminate ... > So, where do we stand now? So, the only bits missing now are: > > 1. me finishing the support for the X server. just a hack > here and there. > > 1.b. Getting the other important bits of the RRM code in the > kernel. > > 2. me fixing the mouse. > > 3. Would it be possible to negotiate with SGI management > the posibility of shipping the IRIX runtime libraries and > the X server as found on IRIX with a Linux disrtibution? Bad point in time, it has been pointed out to me that SGI's stock was doing pretty bad ;-) > 4. A nice, easy-to use install program. Taking the existing > Red Hat/Mustand install program and port it should be > pretty easy. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 7 16:57:05 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA97532 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA25306 for linux-list; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:56:42 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA25295; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:56:40 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA23399; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:56:35 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199710072356.QAA23399@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: More Linux/SGI status To: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx (Miguel de Icaza) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199710072241.RAA01259@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> from "Miguel de Icaza" at Oct 7, 97 05:41:38 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 578 Lines: 18 : : : 3. Would it be possible to negotiate with SGI management : the posibility of shipping the IRIX runtime libraries and : the X server as found on IRIX with a Linux disrtibution? : My take on this is that since whoever bought that Indy already paid for the OS including the X server and other binaries there should be no reason why not to allow them to run it on top of linux. Putting it in a distribution that anyone can download however is different and would require management approval could someone on the list ask their directors about this? -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 7 17:31:08 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA107281 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA04199 for linux-list; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:30:45 -0700 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA04183 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:30:43 -0700 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA22931; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:30:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:30:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199710080030.RAA22931@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Miguel de Icaza Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: More Linux/SGI status In-Reply-To: <199710072241.RAA01259@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> References: <199710072241.RAA01259@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1467 Lines: 26 Miguel de Icaza writes: ... > 3. Would it be possible to negotiate with SGI management > the posibility of shipping the IRIX runtime libraries and > the X server as found on IRIX with a Linux disrtibution? ... Perhaps Ariel can check on this, but I suspect that there are licensing problems. Each SGI system comes with a license to use one copy of the software, where the fees which SGI must pay for each copy are bundled in the cost of the system. That is, if you have a system, the system includes the license. The licenses involved include more than just the basic UNIX and NFS licenses. For example, the X server includes optional Display Postscript support licensed from Adobe. You could consider a scheme for automatically extracting the parts you need from an IRIX distribution CD. That is, the system normally comes with the CD for the software (although that may be lost for an older system), and the user has the right to use the CD on that system. If the linux installation were willing to mount that CD and pull out the components, the user model would not be too awkward (although obviously not as nice as having one distribution). If you were able to run the IRIX inst on linux, you could extract it from the CD and ask it to pull the files from the distribution. (There is a miniroot EFS file system image on the CD, and inst is on that image; the rest of the distribution is in packed data files decoded by inst.) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 7 20:08:57 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id UAA123544 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA03025 for linux-list; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:08:20 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA03021 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:08:17 -0700 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.96]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id UAA25828 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:08:16 -0700 env-from (LetherGlov@aol.com) From: LetherGlov@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA14058 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971007230709_979759870@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Wrong Dallas Timekeeper Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 534 Lines: 15 Well, On the advice of a certain unnamed person I opened my Indy. I found among other things a BIG heatsink and one Dallas model _1386_ timekeeper. David Miller on the other has in arch/mips/sgi/kernel/indy_timer.c that it's a Dallas 1286. The difference between the 1286 and the 1386 is the NVRAM(8k)+(150ns access time) and that magical thing called automatic power on and off. I would suggest that anyone who wants to know more about the 1386 get the PDF from: www.dalsemi.com/DocControl/PDFs/1386.pdf Have Fun, Robbie From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 8 00:39:43 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id AAA134789 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA06760 for linux-list; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:39:15 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA06728 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:39:11 -0700 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id AAA13108 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:39:06 -0700 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (centre.swanlink.ukuu.org.uk [137.44.10.205]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA15255; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:35:12 +0100 Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xIqbs-0005FiC; Wed, 8 Oct 97 08:32 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: More Linux/SGI status To: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx (Miguel de Icaza) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:32:43 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199710072241.RAA01259@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> from "Miguel de Icaza" at Oct 7, 97 05:41:38 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 375 Lines: 12 > 4. A nice, easy-to use install program. Taking the existing > Red Hat/Mustand install program and port it should be > pretty easy. The big install problem is repartitioning an EFS system without damaging the EFS. There seem to be tools to do it via tape from reading the CD's. Once my SGI appears cranking out a distribution set is still my first goal Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 8 00:43:46 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id AAA133661 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA07636 for linux-list; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:43:33 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA07629; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:43:31 -0700 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id AAA13714; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:43:30 -0700 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (centre.swanlink.ukuu.org.uk [137.44.10.205]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA15276; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:41:52 +0100 Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xIqiF-0005FiC; Wed, 8 Oct 97 08:39 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: More Linux/SGI status To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:39:19 +0100 (BST) Cc: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199710072356.QAA23399@oz.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at Oct 7, 97 04:56:35 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 504 Lines: 11 > My take on this is that since whoever bought that Indy > already paid for the OS including the X server and other > binaries there should be no reason why not to allow > them to run it on top of linux. Thats simple until someone builds a clone SGI box. RedHat rpms actually have some provision for a tool called rhmask which requires you have some "original" to generate the new rpm. Anyway we don't want to encourage folks not to make the Linux version kick the backside of any SGI original item.. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 8 10:47:32 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970321.SGI.8.8.5/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA150110 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA12351 for linux-list; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:46:33 -0700 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA12327; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:46:30 -0700 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA23629; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:46:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:46:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199710081746.KAA23629@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Cc: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: More Linux/SGI status In-Reply-To: References: <199710072356.QAA23399@oz.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1090 Lines: 21 Alan Cox writes: > > My take on this is that since whoever bought that Indy > > already paid for the OS including the X server and other > > binaries there should be no reason why not to allow > > them to run it on top of linux. > > Thats simple until someone builds a clone SGI box. RedHat rpms > actually have some provision for a tool called rhmask which > requires you have some "original" to generate the new rpm. Anyway > we don't want to encourage folks not to make the Linux version > kick the backside of any SGI original item.. It makes no sense to clone an SGI box, since there is no long-term standard hardware profile. That is, the combination of hardware and system software provides a consistent model, but the hardware/software interface changes each generation, both in graphics and in I/O. For people building MIPS-based linux boxes, starting with the XFree86 source base, and adding good OpenGL support, is a better model than trying to use Xsgi. Using Xsgi (and libGL.so) is simply an expedient way to get graphics support for linux on an SGI box. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 9 15:57:56 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA114406 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA29653 for linux-list; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:57:25 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA29643 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:57:24 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA06752 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:57:19 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA21831 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:57:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:57:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Arch specific initramdisk? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 540 Lines: 17 I'm trying to do kernel modifications so that initrd is supported, which will make installations easier. I was a bit surprised that these weren't architecture neutral to begin with. Why is this dependant on the arch? The code I've found for other archs is in arch/*/kernel/setup.c. How safe is it for me to replicate the code from, say, the sparc port? Is there anything I should be aware of? - Alex Alex deVries Success is realizing System Administrator attainable dreams. The EngSoc Project From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 9 18:29:49 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA02475 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA11772 for linux-list; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:29:23 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA11763 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:29:22 -0700 Received: from dns.cobaltmicro.com ([209.19.61.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id SAA11593 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:29:17 -0700 env-from (ralf@mail2.cobaltmicro.com) Received: from dull.cobaltmicro.com (dull.cobaltmicro.com [209.19.61.35]) by dns.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10173; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:30:20 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by dull.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10165; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:27:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199710100127.SAA10165@dull.cobaltmicro.com> Subject: Re: Arch specific initramdisk? To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at Oct 9, 97 06:57:29 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 687 Lines: 18 Hi, > I'm trying to do kernel modifications so that initrd is supported, which > will make installations easier. > > I was a bit surprised that these weren't architecture neutral to begin > with. Why is this dependant on the arch? The code I've found for other > archs is in arch/*/kernel/setup.c. > > How safe is it for me to replicate the code from, say, the sparc port? Is > there anything I should be aware of? The only difference between the architectures is where in memory the initrd is being stored. I haven't check how things work on a Sparc but basically what we need should be at least very similar to for example the i386 code - as far as setup.c is affected. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 10 06:31:24 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA25651 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA28552 for linux-list; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:30:58 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA28547 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:30:57 -0700 Received: from matka.mtl.pl (matka.mtl.pl [195.116.4.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id GAA06127 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:28:16 -0700 env-from (maciek@cadsys.com.pl) Received: from cadsys.com.pl (uucp@localhost) by matka.mtl.pl (8.8.6/8.6.12) with UUCP id QAA17988 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:19:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cadsys.com.pl by cadsys.com.pl via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI) for id PAA12594; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:17:14 +0200 Message-ID: <343E2AD9.2984F854@cadsys.com.pl> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:17:14 +0200 From: Maciek Dyczkowski Reply-To: maciek@cadsys.com.pl Organization: CADsystem MIASTOPROJEKT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) References: <199710070831.BAA21140@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 597 Lines: 20 I was able to get my new OS running over the net. Kernel loads, NFS mounts root filesystem and .... this is all I can do. The next step should be : 1. Mount your local disks.... how can I do that? How can I mount disks on SGI/Linux? Do I need to format my drive? What tools should I use? 2. Download all RPMS .... done 3. use command ' rpm --root=/mnt -Uvh *rpm ' ..... even I couldn't mount my drive I checked, whether I could use rpm command - it just doesn't exist in my root filesystem. Anybody has any experiences with installing SGI/Linux? Thank you for ANY help! -- Maciek Dyczkowski From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 10 16:41:38 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA64639 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA16314 for linux-list; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:41:04 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA16307 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:41:02 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA14271 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:41:00 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA20332 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:41:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:41:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: make zImage, and initrd... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 681 Lines: 23 I'm working on adding the ramdisk and initrd features to the kernel. It compiles, which is pretty good for my first kernel patch. But, I have no way to actually test it. The kernel needs to find the offset of the ramdisk in the first 11 bits of one of the boot headers, so the kernel needs to be less than 2047k. This wouldn't normally be a problem, but doing a 'make zImage' tells me that: ./mkboot zImage.tmp zImage Input file isn't a little endian ELF file make[1]: *** [zImage] Error 1 What would be required to make mkboot handle zImage, or bzImage? In the meantime, I will try to strip down a kernel to below 2047k. My current one is 2347. Any other ideas? - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 10 18:03:36 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA71031 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA03539 for linux-list; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:01:28 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA03490 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:01:10 -0700 Received: from dns.cobaltmicro.com ([209.19.61.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id SAA02071 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:01:07 -0700 env-from (ralf@mail2.cobaltmicro.com) Received: from dull.cobaltmicro.com (dull.cobaltmicro.com [209.19.61.35]) by dns.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00551; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:02:11 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by dull.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14665; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:58:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199710110058.RAA14665@dull.cobaltmicro.com> Subject: Re: make zImage, and initrd... To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at Oct 10, 97 07:41:19 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1439 Lines: 37 > I'm working on adding the ramdisk and initrd features to the kernel. It > compiles, which is pretty good for my first kernel patch. > > But, I have no way to actually test it. The kernel needs to find the > offset of the ramdisk in the first 11 bits of one of the boot headers, so > the kernel needs to be less than 2047k. Dunno what you're trying to do, but it sounds extremly weired ... > This wouldn't normally be a problem, but doing a 'make zImage' tells me > that: > ./mkboot zImage.tmp zImage > Input file isn't a little endian ELF file > make[1]: *** [zImage] Error 1 > > What would be required to make mkboot handle zImage, or bzImage? Don't do it. mkboot is used for the boxes that use Milo for booting to convert the ELF executable into an a.out file that Milo accepts. Milo again is necessary because the ARC firmware is so incredibly buggy and I don't want to have more ARC stuff in the kernel than absolutly necessary. What I suggest instead is to load the ramdisk file using the ARCS Open, Read, Write, Close and Seek functions from any ARC supported media. That includes tapes, CDROM, EFS, XFS and even tftp. Take the information what file to read from the ARC command line. > In the meantime, I will try to strip down a kernel to below 2047k. My > current one is 2347. Why limiting the kernel size? 640kb are enough for everybody? > Any other ideas? Yes, time to leave for Sushi with Miguel :-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 10 23:12:10 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id XAA80343 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA09540 for linux-list; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:11:43 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA09535 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:11:41 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via SMTP id XAA22607 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:11:39 -0700 env-from (imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xJum1-0005ew-00; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:11:37 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.7/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA24902; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710110611.AAA24902@harmony.village.org> To: Ralf Baechle Subject: Re: make zImage, and initrd... Cc: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:58:48 PDT." <199710110058.RAA14665@dull.cobaltmicro.com> References: <199710110058.RAA14665@dull.cobaltmicro.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:11:55 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 440 Lines: 10 In message <199710110058.RAA14665@dull.cobaltmicro.com> Ralf Baechle writes: : What I suggest instead is to load the ramdisk file using the ARCS : Open, Read, Write, Close and Seek functions from any ARC supported media. : That includes tapes, CDROM, EFS, XFS and even tftp. Take the information : what file to read from the ARC command line. These can include ... Not all ARC machines support all these types of file systems... Warner From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Oct 11 00:27:11 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id AAA82637 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA16402 for linux-list; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:26:44 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA16397; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:26:40 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA34328; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199710110726.AAA34328@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: booted, what's next... To: maciek@cadsys.com.pl Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) In-Reply-To: <343E2AD9.2984F854@cadsys.com.pl> from "Maciek Dyczkowski" at Oct 10, 97 03:17:14 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1247 Lines: 39 : :I was able to get my new OS running over the net. Kernel loads, NFS :mounts root filesystem and .... this is all I can :do. The next step should be : : :1. Mount your local disks.... how can I do that? How can I mount disks :on SGI/Linux? Do I need to format my :drive? What tools should I use? : :2. Download all RPMS .... done : :3. use command ' rpm --root=/mnt -Uvh *rpm ' ..... even I couldn't mount :my drive I checked, whether I could use rpm :command - it just doesn't exist in my root filesystem. Anybody has any :experiences with installing SGI/Linux? : :Thank you for ANY help! : :-- :Maciek Dyczkowski : I believe that with your current setting that's what you can do. You may mount additional remote disks via NFS but not local ones as is. The local disks are probably in formats that the current snapshot of the port doesn't recognize (EFS or XFS). Mike Shaver was working in his spare time (he also needs to make a living :-) on read-only EFS support. To mount a local disk you need to go through a pretty complex sequence that was discussed on this list before. For a full archive of the list check-out: http://reality.sgi.com/ariel/linux.gz (~0.5 Mb) We are working on a better installation and setup. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 14 16:28:08 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA01109 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA06419 for linux-list; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:25:02 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA06395 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:24:57 -0700 Received: from dns.cobaltmicro.com ([209.19.61.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA25161 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:24:55 -0700 env-from (ralf@mail2.cobaltmicro.com) Received: from dull.cobaltmicro.com (dull.cobaltmicro.com [209.19.61.35]) by dns.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06487; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:25:55 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by dull.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA32612; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:22:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199710142322.QAA32612@dull.cobaltmicro.com> Subject: Ancient files Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Apparently-To: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 664 Lines: 17 Hi all, from a time long ago many systems probably still have the directory /usr/include/bsd/ existing on their disk. I guess most people got them as a part of the root-0.01.tar.gz package. That directory contains a include files that originate from Linux libc which we're not using. This files are not usefull for anything and may cause problems building certain software, especially RedHat RPM packages from the tbird/mustang releases that still pass the option -I/usr/include/bsd to the compiler. The bug fix is simple: rm -rf /usr/include/bsd You have to remove these packages manually; upgrading the installed RPMs will not remove these files. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 14 16:59:18 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA09090 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA14822 for linux-list; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:58:34 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA14810 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:58:31 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA03601 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:58:29 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from erbse (ralf@erbse.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.44]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA08226; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:58:21 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199710142358.BAA08226@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by erbse (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id BAA25872; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:58:19 +0200 Subject: static rpm bug, dynamic linker To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:58:18 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 647 Lines: 15 Hi all, I spent a lot of time on fixing the dynamic linker. The bugs Miguel found by building native X libraries are fixed by now. The only one that still is still giving me a miracle to solve is the fact that certain statically linked executables, most prominently rpm, are failing. I'm about to fix that one also and that long want to remind people that static linking is a dead concept anyway. rpm for example will load a dynamic libc when using the nss services, so all you get is bloat while the knowledge about the kernel interfaces embedded into the statically linked libc makes it very difficult to improve system interfaces. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 15 21:55:49 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id VAA16373 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA07523 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:54:25 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA07507 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:54:15 -0700 Received: from tbird.cobaltmicro.com ([209.19.61.36]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id VAA23409 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:54:12 -0700 env-from (ralf@tbird.cobaltmicro.com) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by tbird.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA13781; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:48:27 -0700 Message-ID: <19971015214825.01081@tbird.cobaltmicro.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:48:25 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle To: Alan Cox Cc: Miguel de Icaza , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: More Linux/SGI status References: <199710072241.RAA01259@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Alan Cox on Wed, Oct 08, 1997 at 08:32:43AM +0100 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 6515 Lines: 107 On Wed, Oct 08, 1997 at 08:32:43AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > 4. A nice, easy-to use install program. Taking the existing > > Red Hat/Mustand install program and port it should be > > pretty easy. > > The big install problem is repartitioning an EFS system without damaging > the EFS. There seem to be tools to do it via tape from reading the CD's. > > Once my SGI appears cranking out a distribution set is still my first goal I asked Ariel, your box is on it's way. I hope the transport guys hurry as I'm getting pretty close to a useable distribution. Appended is a list of the RPMs which I'm currently using. They're mostly from the RedHat 4.9 aka Mustang distribution. There are just a few things left to fix to build the entire distribution: - rpm just returns to the shell prompt after short time for some packages. Haven't yet tried to figure out what's the problem. - some packages containing shared libraries link them against libc. While this is the right thing to do it will break with the binutils 2.7 we're still using. Fix: finally upgrade to binutils 2.7. - some other packages depend on the presence of X11 for at least building. Among them for example tcsh. Should be fixed rsn as Miguel had some X clients up. - A couple of other packages contain real bugs, usually pretty trivial things. - yet other package don't build because they depend on other packages that don't build, need to be ported to MIPS (Kaffee, eg.) or that are just useless on a MIPS box like for example Lilo. I'll start to upload the SRPM packages listed below plus little endian binaries. All in all that's over 150mb, so don't hold the breath. Ralf MAKEDEV-2.2-10.src.rpm SysVinit-2.71-3.src.rpm TheNextLevel-1.1-3.src.rpm adduser-1.7-2.src.rpm amd-920824upl102-8.src.rpm apache-1.1.3-4.src.rpm ash-0.2-9.src.rpm at-2.9b-3.src.rpm autoconf-2.12-2.src.rpm automake-1.2-1.src.rpm bash-1.14.7-2.src.rpm bc-1.03-6.src.rpm bc-1.04-1.src.rpm bdflush-1.5-6.src.rpm biff-0.10-1.src.rpm bind-4.9.5p1-3.src.rpm bison-1.25-1.src.rpm bison-1.25-2.src.rpm bm2font-3.0-6.src.rpm bm2font-3.0-7.src.rpm bootp-2.4.3-3.src.rpm bootparamd-0.10-1.src.rpm bootpc-061-3.src.rpm byacc-1.9-4.src.rpm byacc-1.9-5.src.rpm caching-nameserver-1.1-1.src.rpm cdecl-2.5-4.src.rpm cdp-0.33-7.src.rpm christminster-3-3.src.rpm colour-yahtzee-1.0-4.src.rpm control-panel-2.6-1.src.rpm cpio-2.4.2-5.src.rpm cproto-4.4-5.src.rpm cracklib-2.5-2.src.rpm crontabs-1.5-1.src.rpm ctags-1.5-2.src.rpm cvs-1.9-2.src.rpm dev-2.5.2-1.src.rpm dhcpcd-0.65-1.src.rpm dialog-0.6-8.src.rpm diffstat-1.25-2.src.rpm diffutils-2.7-7.src.rpm e2fsprogs-1.10-0.src.rpm ed-0.2-6.src.rpm efax-0.8a-4.src.rpm eject-1.4-4.src.rpm etcskel-1.3-2.src.rpm ext2ed-0.1-9.src.rpm f2c-19960205-9.src.rpm faq-4.0-1.src.rpm fetchmail-2.2-3.src.rpm file-3.22-6.src.rpm filesystem-1.3-1.src.rpm fileutils-3.16-3.src.rpm findutils-4.1-13.src.rpm finger-0.10-2.src.rpm flex-2.5.4-2.src.rpm fort77-1.14a-2.src.rpm fortune-mod-1.0-4.src.rpm fstool-2.5-1.src.rpm ftp-0.10-1.src.rpm fwhois-1.00-6.src.rpm gawk-3.0.2-2.src.rpm gencat-022591-4.src.rpm gettext-0.10-2.src.rpm gettext-0.10-5.src.rpm getty_ps-2.0.7h-5.src.rpm giftrans-1.11.1-5.src.rpm git-4.3.16-2.src.rpm gnuchess-4.0.pl77-2.src.rpm grail-0.3b2-1.src.rpm grep-2.0-6.src.rpm groff-1.10-9.src.rpm gzip-1.2.4-9.src.rpm hdparm-3.1-3.src.rpm helptool-2.3-1.src.rpm howto-4.2-3.src.rpm imap-4.1.BETA-6.src.rpm indent-1.9.1-6.src.rpm indexhtml-4.2-1.src.rpm initscripts-3.16-1.src.rpm intimed-1.10-3.src.rpm intimed-1.10-4.src.rpm ircii-2.8.2-7.src.rpm ircii-2.8.2-8.src.rpm jdk-1.0.2.2-3.src.rpm joe-2.8-8.src.rpm kbd-0.91-10.src.rpm ldp-4.2-1.src.rpm less-321-4.src.rpm lha-1.00-5.src.rpm linuxdoc-sgml-1.5-7.src.rpm logrotate-2.3-4.src.rpm lout-3.08-1.src.rpm lout-3.08-2.src.rpm lpr-0.19-1.src.rpm lrzsz-0.12.14-2.src.rpm lynx-2.6-3.src.rpm m4-1.4-7.src.rpm macutils-2.0b3-5.src.rpm mailcap-1.0-3.src.rpm mailx-5.5.kw-7.src.rpm make-3.75-2.src.rpm man-1.4j-2.src.rpm man-pages-1.15-1.src.rpm mb-5.0-7.src.rpm mgetty-1.1.5-3.src.rpm mingetty-0.9.4-4.src.rpm minicom-1.75-3.src.rpm mkdosfs-ygg-0.3b-5.src.rpm mkisofs-1.10rel-1.src.rpm mkisofs-1.10rel-2.src.rpm mktemp-1.4-2.src.rpm modemtool-1.1-2.src.rpm modutils-2.1.55-1.src.rpm mount-2.6h-1.src.rpm mpage-2.4-2.src.rpm mt-st-0.4-3.src.rpm mtools-3.6-2.src.rpm mtools-3.6-3.src.rpm mutt-0.81e-3.src.rpm mysterious-1.0-2.src.rpm ncftp-2.3.0-6.src.rpm ncompress-4.2.4-7.src.rpm ncurses-1.9.9e-4.src.rpm nenscript-1.13++-9.src.rpm net-tools-1.32.alpha-2.src.rpm netkit-base-0.10-2.src.rpm nls-1.0-2.src.rpm ntalk-0.10-1.src.rpm open-1.3-5.src.rpm open-1.3-6.src.rpm p2c-1.20-8.src.rpm pam-0.57-3.src.rpm pamconfig-0.51-2.src.rpm pamconfig-0.51-3.src.rpm passwd-0.50-8.src.rpm patch-2.1-5.src.rpm pdksh-5.2.12-2.src.rpm perl-5.003-9.src.rpm pidentd-2.5.1-6.src.rpm pine-3.96-1.src.rpm pinfocom-3.0-4.src.rpm pmake-1.0-5.src.rpm popt-1.0-1.src.rpm portmap-4.0-4.src.rpm ppp-2.2.0f-4.src.rpm procinfo-0.9-2.src.rpm procmail-3.10-11.src.rpm psacct-6.2-2.src.rpm psmisc-11-5.src.rpm pwdb-0.54-5.src.rpm rcs-5.7-5.src.rpm rdate-0.960923-2.src.rpm rdist-1.0-6.src.rpm readline-2.1-1.src.rpm redhat-release-4.8-1.src.rpm rhmask-1.0-2.src.rpm rootfiles-1.5-1.src.rpm routed-0.10-1.src.rpm rpm-2.4.7-1glibc.src.rpm rsh-0.10-1.src.rpm rusers-0.10-1.src.rpm rwall-0.10-1.src.rpm rwho-0.10-1.src.rpm samba-1.9.16p11-4rh.src.rpm scottfree-1.14-3.src.rpm screen-3.7.2-3.src.rpm sed-2.05-7.src.rpm setconsole-1.0-1.src.rpm sh-utils-1.16-6.src.rpm shadow-utils-970616-4.src.rpm sharutils-4.2-7.src.rpm slang-0.99.37-2.src.rpm slang-0.99.38-1.src.rpm sliplogin-2.1.0-7.src.rpm slrn-0.9.3.2-2.src.rpm sox-11g-5.src.rpm stat-1.5-6.src.rpm statnet-2.00-4.src.rpm statserial-1.1-8.src.rpm symlinks-1.0-6.src.rpm sysklogd-1.3-16.src.rpm taper-6.7.4-3.src.rpm tcp_wrappers-7.5-2.src.rpm tcpdump-3.3-2.src.rpm telnet-0.10-1.src.rpm tetex-0.4pl8-5.src.rpm textutils-1.22-2.src.rpm tftp-0.10-2.src.rpm time-1.7-2.src.rpm timed-0.10-1.src.rpm timetool-2.3-1.src.rpm tin-1.22-7.src.rpm tmpwatch-1.2-2.src.rpm traceroute-1.4a5-2.src.rpm tracker-4.3-5.src.rpm tree-1.0-4.src.rpm trojka-1.1-8.src.rpm ttcp-1.4-1.src.rpm tunelp-1.3-6.src.rpm umb-scheme-3.2-3.src.rpm unarj-2.41a-4.src.rpm units-1.0-6.src.rpm unzip-5.12-6.src.rpm uucp-1.06.1-11.src.rpm vixie-cron-3.0.1-15.src.rpm vlock-1.0-6.src.rpm which-1.0-6.src.rpm words-2-3.src.rpm wu-ftpd-2.4.2b15-2.src.rpm ypbind-3.0-2.src.rpm yppasswd-0.9-1.src.rpm zip-2.1-2.src.rpm zlib-1.0.4-1.src.rpm zsh-3.0.2-2.src.rpm From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 16 06:08:11 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA62643 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA26400 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:07:38 -0700 Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA26392 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:07:36 -0700 Received: from cygnus.detroit.sgi.com by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id JAA21327; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:07:02 -0400 Message-ID: <34461176.55EF32BE@cygnus.detroit.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:07:02 -0400 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralf Baechle CC: Alan Cox , Miguel de Icaza , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: More Linux/SGI status References: <199710072241.RAA01259@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> <19971015214825.01081@tbird.cobaltmicro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 7904 Lines: 139 I am still having problems just getting our Indy to boot linux. I am in a completely SGI environment with no PC already running linux to boot from. Is there anyone else using this type of environment that has done a basic HOWTO for getting up and running? If you have the basics, I PROMISE to document it fully with graphics, images, etc. Ill do it in an HTML form which will immediately be placed on linus.linux. Thanks, Eric. P.S. I haven't made much progress because I haven't spent much time on it. I hoping this is going to dramatically change over the next several days. Ralf Baechle wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 08, 1997 at 08:32:43AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > > 4. A nice, easy-to use install program. Taking the existing > > > Red Hat/Mustand install program and port it should be > > > pretty easy. > > > > The big install problem is repartitioning an EFS system without damaging > > the EFS. There seem to be tools to do it via tape from reading the CD's. > > > > Once my SGI appears cranking out a distribution set is still my first goal > > I asked Ariel, your box is on it's way. I hope the transport guys > hurry as I'm getting pretty close to a useable distribution. Appended > is a list of the RPMs which I'm currently using. They're mostly from > the RedHat 4.9 aka Mustang distribution. There are just a few things > left to fix to build the entire distribution: > > - rpm just returns to the shell prompt after short time for some packages. > Haven't yet tried to figure out what's the problem. > - some packages containing shared libraries link them against libc. While > this is the right thing to do it will break with the binutils 2.7 we're > still using. Fix: finally upgrade to binutils 2.7. > - some other packages depend on the presence of X11 for at least building. > Among them for example tcsh. Should be fixed rsn as Miguel had some > X clients up. > - A couple of other packages contain real bugs, usually pretty trivial > things. > - yet other package don't build because they depend on other packages that > don't build, need to be ported to MIPS (Kaffee, eg.) or that are just > useless on a MIPS box like for example Lilo. > > I'll start to upload the SRPM packages listed below plus little endian > binaries. All in all that's over 150mb, so don't hold the breath. > > Ralf > > MAKEDEV-2.2-10.src.rpm SysVinit-2.71-3.src.rpm TheNextLevel-1.1-3.src.rpm > adduser-1.7-2.src.rpm amd-920824upl102-8.src.rpm apache-1.1.3-4.src.rpm > ash-0.2-9.src.rpm at-2.9b-3.src.rpm autoconf-2.12-2.src.rpm > automake-1.2-1.src.rpm bash-1.14.7-2.src.rpm bc-1.03-6.src.rpm > bc-1.04-1.src.rpm bdflush-1.5-6.src.rpm biff-0.10-1.src.rpm > bind-4.9.5p1-3.src.rpm bison-1.25-1.src.rpm bison-1.25-2.src.rpm > bm2font-3.0-6.src.rpm bm2font-3.0-7.src.rpm bootp-2.4.3-3.src.rpm > bootparamd-0.10-1.src.rpm bootpc-061-3.src.rpm byacc-1.9-4.src.rpm > byacc-1.9-5.src.rpm caching-nameserver-1.1-1.src.rpm cdecl-2.5-4.src.rpm > cdp-0.33-7.src.rpm christminster-3-3.src.rpm colour-yahtzee-1.0-4.src.rpm > control-panel-2.6-1.src.rpm cpio-2.4.2-5.src.rpm cproto-4.4-5.src.rpm > cracklib-2.5-2.src.rpm crontabs-1.5-1.src.rpm ctags-1.5-2.src.rpm > cvs-1.9-2.src.rpm dev-2.5.2-1.src.rpm dhcpcd-0.65-1.src.rpm > dialog-0.6-8.src.rpm diffstat-1.25-2.src.rpm diffutils-2.7-7.src.rpm > e2fsprogs-1.10-0.src.rpm ed-0.2-6.src.rpm efax-0.8a-4.src.rpm > eject-1.4-4.src.rpm etcskel-1.3-2.src.rpm ext2ed-0.1-9.src.rpm > f2c-19960205-9.src.rpm faq-4.0-1.src.rpm fetchmail-2.2-3.src.rpm > file-3.22-6.src.rpm filesystem-1.3-1.src.rpm fileutils-3.16-3.src.rpm > findutils-4.1-13.src.rpm finger-0.10-2.src.rpm flex-2.5.4-2.src.rpm > fort77-1.14a-2.src.rpm fortune-mod-1.0-4.src.rpm fstool-2.5-1.src.rpm > ftp-0.10-1.src.rpm fwhois-1.00-6.src.rpm gawk-3.0.2-2.src.rpm > gencat-022591-4.src.rpm gettext-0.10-2.src.rpm gettext-0.10-5.src.rpm > getty_ps-2.0.7h-5.src.rpm giftrans-1.11.1-5.src.rpm git-4.3.16-2.src.rpm > gnuchess-4.0.pl77-2.src.rpm grail-0.3b2-1.src.rpm grep-2.0-6.src.rpm > groff-1.10-9.src.rpm gzip-1.2.4-9.src.rpm hdparm-3.1-3.src.rpm > helptool-2.3-1.src.rpm howto-4.2-3.src.rpm imap-4.1.BETA-6.src.rpm > indent-1.9.1-6.src.rpm indexhtml-4.2-1.src.rpm initscripts-3.16-1.src.rpm > intimed-1.10-3.src.rpm intimed-1.10-4.src.rpm ircii-2.8.2-7.src.rpm > ircii-2.8.2-8.src.rpm jdk-1.0.2.2-3.src.rpm joe-2.8-8.src.rpm > kbd-0.91-10.src.rpm ldp-4.2-1.src.rpm less-321-4.src.rpm > lha-1.00-5.src.rpm linuxdoc-sgml-1.5-7.src.rpm logrotate-2.3-4.src.rpm > lout-3.08-1.src.rpm lout-3.08-2.src.rpm lpr-0.19-1.src.rpm > lrzsz-0.12.14-2.src.rpm lynx-2.6-3.src.rpm m4-1.4-7.src.rpm > macutils-2.0b3-5.src.rpm mailcap-1.0-3.src.rpm mailx-5.5.kw-7.src.rpm > make-3.75-2.src.rpm man-1.4j-2.src.rpm man-pages-1.15-1.src.rpm > mb-5.0-7.src.rpm mgetty-1.1.5-3.src.rpm mingetty-0.9.4-4.src.rpm > minicom-1.75-3.src.rpm mkdosfs-ygg-0.3b-5.src.rpm mkisofs-1.10rel-1.src.rpm > mkisofs-1.10rel-2.src.rpm mktemp-1.4-2.src.rpm modemtool-1.1-2.src.rpm > modutils-2.1.55-1.src.rpm mount-2.6h-1.src.rpm mpage-2.4-2.src.rpm > mt-st-0.4-3.src.rpm mtools-3.6-2.src.rpm mtools-3.6-3.src.rpm > mutt-0.81e-3.src.rpm mysterious-1.0-2.src.rpm ncftp-2.3.0-6.src.rpm > ncompress-4.2.4-7.src.rpm ncurses-1.9.9e-4.src.rpm nenscript-1.13++-9.src.rpm > net-tools-1.32.alpha-2.src.rpm netkit-base-0.10-2.src.rpm nls-1.0-2.src.rpm > ntalk-0.10-1.src.rpm open-1.3-5.src.rpm open-1.3-6.src.rpm > p2c-1.20-8.src.rpm pam-0.57-3.src.rpm pamconfig-0.51-2.src.rpm > pamconfig-0.51-3.src.rpm passwd-0.50-8.src.rpm patch-2.1-5.src.rpm > pdksh-5.2.12-2.src.rpm perl-5.003-9.src.rpm pidentd-2.5.1-6.src.rpm > pine-3.96-1.src.rpm pinfocom-3.0-4.src.rpm pmake-1.0-5.src.rpm > popt-1.0-1.src.rpm portmap-4.0-4.src.rpm ppp-2.2.0f-4.src.rpm > procinfo-0.9-2.src.rpm procmail-3.10-11.src.rpm psacct-6.2-2.src.rpm > psmisc-11-5.src.rpm pwdb-0.54-5.src.rpm rcs-5.7-5.src.rpm > rdate-0.960923-2.src.rpm rdist-1.0-6.src.rpm readline-2.1-1.src.rpm > redhat-release-4.8-1.src.rpm rhmask-1.0-2.src.rpm rootfiles-1.5-1.src.rpm > routed-0.10-1.src.rpm rpm-2.4.7-1glibc.src.rpm rsh-0.10-1.src.rpm > rusers-0.10-1.src.rpm rwall-0.10-1.src.rpm rwho-0.10-1.src.rpm > samba-1.9.16p11-4rh.src.rpm scottfree-1.14-3.src.rpm screen-3.7.2-3.src.rpm > sed-2.05-7.src.rpm setconsole-1.0-1.src.rpm sh-utils-1.16-6.src.rpm > shadow-utils-970616-4.src.rpm sharutils-4.2-7.src.rpm slang-0.99.37-2.src.rpm > slang-0.99.38-1.src.rpm sliplogin-2.1.0-7.src.rpm slrn-0.9.3.2-2.src.rpm > sox-11g-5.src.rpm stat-1.5-6.src.rpm statnet-2.00-4.src.rpm > statserial-1.1-8.src.rpm symlinks-1.0-6.src.rpm sysklogd-1.3-16.src.rpm > taper-6.7.4-3.src.rpm tcp_wrappers-7.5-2.src.rpm tcpdump-3.3-2.src.rpm > telnet-0.10-1.src.rpm tetex-0.4pl8-5.src.rpm textutils-1.22-2.src.rpm > tftp-0.10-2.src.rpm time-1.7-2.src.rpm timed-0.10-1.src.rpm > timetool-2.3-1.src.rpm tin-1.22-7.src.rpm tmpwatch-1.2-2.src.rpm > traceroute-1.4a5-2.src.rpm tracker-4.3-5.src.rpm tree-1.0-4.src.rpm > trojka-1.1-8.src.rpm ttcp-1.4-1.src.rpm tunelp-1.3-6.src.rpm > umb-scheme-3.2-3.src.rpm unarj-2.41a-4.src.rpm units-1.0-6.src.rpm > unzip-5.12-6.src.rpm uucp-1.06.1-11.src.rpm vixie-cron-3.0.1-15.src.rpm > vlock-1.0-6.src.rpm which-1.0-6.src.rpm words-2-3.src.rpm > wu-ftpd-2.4.2b15-2.src.rpm ypbind-3.0-2.src.rpm yppasswd-0.9-1.src.rpm > zip-2.1-2.src.rpm zlib-1.0.4-1.src.rpm zsh-3.0.2-2.src.rpm -- Eric Kimminau System Engineer/RSA eak@detroit.sgi.com Silicon Graphics, Inc Voice: (248) 848-4455 39001 West 12 Mile Rd. Fax: (248) 848-5600 Farmington, MI 48331-2903 VNet Extension - 6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/perl-rsa-sig.html When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 16 08:40:00 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA02438 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA21167 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:39:25 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA21158 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:39:22 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id IAA20982 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:39:20 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA02086; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:39:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: eak@detroit.sgi.com cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: More Linux/SGI status In-Reply-To: <34461176.55EF32BE@cygnus.detroit.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1095 Lines: 28 On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Eric Kimminau wrote: > I am still having problems just getting our Indy to boot linux. I am in > a completely SGI environment with no PC already running linux to boot > from. > > Is there anyone else using this type of environment that has done a > basic HOWTO for getting up and running? If you have the basics, I > PROMISE to document it fully with graphics, images, etc. Ill do it in an > HTML form which will immediately be placed on linus.linux. I can think of only one way of doing it... Stick your kernel in /, and boot it. That kernel would have to have the EFS file system enabled so that you could mount a local disk with a Linux image as /. Then, partition your other disk, and install RPM's to your heart's content. The better way of doing this, though, is to stick all the RPM's on a SCSI disk on an ext2 partition. Make a Linux ramdisk (no ARC or anything else... just the usual Linux ramdisk as found in Sparc and i386) with a base filesystem. From that, partition your second disk, and install RPMs. I'm working on the ramdisk stuff... - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 16 13:15:47 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA37663 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA27733 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:15:09 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA27696 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:15:07 -0700 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA28896 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:15:05 -0700 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (centre.swanlink.ukuu.org.uk [137.44.10.205]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA26939; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:10:20 +0100 Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xLvHY-0005G4C; Thu, 16 Oct 97 20:08 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: More Linux/SGI status To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:08:28 +0100 (BST) Cc: eak@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at Oct 16, 97 11:39:29 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 287 Lines: 9 > Stick your kernel in /, and boot it. That kernel would have to have the > EFS file system enabled so that you could mount a local disk with a Linux > image as /. Then, partition your other disk, and install RPM's to your > heart's content. NFSroot is another possible way... Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 16 13:19:52 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA38896 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA29977 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:19:31 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA29957 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:19:30 -0700 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA00539 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:19:27 -0700 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA24444; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:16:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:16:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Alan Cox cc: eak@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: More Linux/SGI status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 417 Lines: 13 On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Alan Cox wrote: > > Stick your kernel in /, and boot it. That kernel would have to have the > > EFS file system enabled so that you could mount a local disk with a Linux > > image as /. Then, partition your other disk, and install RPM's to your > > heart's content. > NFSroot is another possible way... But, I believe the problem was that he had no other machine to NFS root off of. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 17 23:43:25 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id XAA199493 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA20967 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:42:39 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA20958 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:42:36 -0700 Received: from tbird.cobaltmicro.com ([209.19.61.36]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id XAA22925 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:42:35 -0700 env-from (ralf@tbird.cobaltmicro.com) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by tbird.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA30223; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:40:04 -0700 Message-ID: <19971017234003.40055@tbird.cobaltmicro.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:40:03 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, alfonso@borak.es Subject: Re: Where is vmlinux to boot from nfs?? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from AlFonSO CaRabanTEs AlaMo on Fri, Oct 17, 1997 at 11:56:23AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 240 Lines: 9 On Fri, Oct 17, 1997 at 11:56:23AM +0200, AlFonSO CaRabanTEs AlaMo wrote: > I not find vmlinux at > ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/mips-linux/GettingStarted/vmlinux > > Where is??? Could somebody place a kernel image there? Thanks. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Oct 18 05:21:56 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id FAA210158 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA16406 for linux-list; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:21:17 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA16401 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:21:16 -0700 Received: from tbird.cobaltmicro.com ([209.19.61.36]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id FAA03480 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:21:14 -0700 env-from (ralf@tbird.cobaltmicro.com) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by tbird.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA03930; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:18:39 -0700 Message-ID: <19971018051839.32034@tbird.cobaltmicro.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:18:39 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle To: Mark Hemment Cc: linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Page Colouring References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Mark Hemment on Sat, Oct 18, 1997 at 12:10:19AM +0100 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3940 Lines: 86 On Sat, Oct 18, 1997 at 12:10:19AM +0100, Mark Hemment wrote: > I've tried a few other colouring strategies, but none have worked very > well. Perhaps I have a bug in mm/page_alloc.c, or page colouring is > not worth the effort on systems with fast memory and a (large) pipeburst > cache. More likely, I hope, the colouring strategy is wrong. > > So, if anyone has an ideas I'd love to hear them. Better still, try > them out yourself. There is something else that I'd like the page colouring stuff to do for MIPS, I'm just not really shure how to handle this. The primary cache on all 64bit MIPS CPUs is virtually indexed and physically tagged. As the CPU only uses the lower 12 bits of the virtual address to index the 2 << n bytes sized primary cache (where n is bigger than 12) it is possible by accessing a page mapped to two virtual addresses which have different bits 12 ... n to create multiple entries in the cache for the same physical address. This is the effect known as "virtual aliasing". Some MIPS CPUs are smart and handle this in hardware, others throw an exception and yet others again will have to take care of avoiding virtual aliases in software by cache flushing. Given that cache flushing is a very expensive operation it is highly desireable to try to avoid it trying to allocate pages of the right colour. One place to particularly benefit about this is do_wp_page() in mm/memory.c, but there should be others: [...] new_page = __get_free_page(GFP_KERNEL); [...] /* * Do we need to copy? */ if (atomic_read(&mem_map[MAP_NR(old_page)].count) != 1) { if (new_page) { if (PageReserved(mem_map + MAP_NR(old_page))) ++vma->vm_mm->rss; copy_cow_page(old_page,new_page); flush_page_to_ram(old_page); flush_page_to_ram(new_page); flush_cache_page(vma, address); set_pte(page_table, pte_mkwrite(pte_mkdirty(mk_pte(new_p free_page(old_page); flush_tlb_page(vma, address); return; } [...] Using the virtual address it is possible to choose a prefereable colour for the page allocation. So it's possible to accelerate things about as follows: [...] new_page = __get_free_page(GFP_KERNEL, pgcolour(address)); [...] /* * Do we need to copy? */ if (atomic_read(&mem_map[MAP_NR(old_page)].count) != 1) { if (new_page) { if (PageReserved(mem_map + MAP_NR(old_page))) ++vma->vm_mm->rss; copy_cow_page(old_page,new_page); flush_page_to_ram(old_page); /* XXX */ change_page_colour(new_page, address); flush_cache_page(vma, address); set_pte(page_table, pte_mkwrite(pte_mkdirty(mk_pte(new_p free_page(old_page); flush_tlb_page(vma, address); return; } [...] where change_page_colour() would only flush the L1 caches when hazzard of creating virtual aliases actually exists. For a 16kb primary cache (assuming we can always allocate a page of the right colour) this would reduce the cacheflushing overhead by 75% (for MIPS flushing a page is a four digit cycle operation) as well as giving the guarantee that at least the d-cache is hot after return from the pagefault handler. Other CPUs with virtual indexed caches (PPC, Sparc ???) should profit from this application of page colouring as well. (XXX: Maybe it's too late for my brain, but why are we doing a writeback on the old_page page? As things are the cache shouldn't have any dirty lines for that page?) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Oct 18 12:45:07 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA222532 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA18770 for linux-list; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:44:33 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA18762 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:44:30 -0700 Received: from jenolan.rutgers.edu (jenolan.rutgers.edu [128.6.111.5]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA03233 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:44:29 -0700 env-from (davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu) Received: (from davem@localhost) by jenolan.rutgers.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04270; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:44:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:44:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199710181944.PAA04270@jenolan.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: ralf@cobaltmicro.com CC: markhe@nextd.demon.co.uk, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <19971018051839.32034@tbird.cobaltmicro.com> (message from Ralf Baechle on Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:18:39 -0700) Subject: Re: Page Colouring Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 511 Lines: 18 We could pull this off, and I've been keeping this very issue in the back of my head as I hack on Mark Hemment's changes. Essentially you'd have to pass into the page allocation the destination virtual address. Then in the coloured allocator we put a macro which can be defined to zero on sane architectures. if(page_color_verify(phys_page, virt_page)) { free_page(phys_page); goto repeat; } Something like this, don't worry I'm thinking about it. Later, David "Sparc" Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 21 12:09:07 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA684999 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA19453 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:08:32 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.142.21]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA19441 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:08:30 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by yon.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA02767 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA19431 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:08:28 -0700 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA13306 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:08:25 -0700 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14140; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:05:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:05:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199710211905.OAA14140@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: ariel@sgi.com CC: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux/SGI logo X-Windows: It could be worse, but it'll take time. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 405 Lines: 14 Hello Linux/SGIers, The author of the now official Linux penguin (Larry Ewing, lewing@isc.tamu.edu) has been kind to do a penguin that can be used for the Linux/SGI project. The penguin is a juggling penguin and the idea is that we should put some sgi logos in the air. Here is the url to the draft of his penguin for us: http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/sit-juggle.2.gif Cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 21 17:15:00 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA733826 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA12737 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:14:25 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA12733 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:14:24 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA05812 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:14:23 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199710220014.RAA05812@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: SGI/Linux mirrors To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 455 Lines: 18 Hi, More interest in SGI/Linux around the world. I was contacted by admins in three sites (Korea, Poland, and the Czech republic) who started mirroring our stuff. Links to these sites are on our external Linux site: http://www.linux.sgi.com/ in the "software" section. P.S: Anyone has a stable precompiled Kernel we can put on linus ? It seems that someone deleted the old kernel that was there and now people cannot try the stuff. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Oct 21 18:05:40 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA767664 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA25724 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:03:32 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA25700; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:03:29 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id SAA12569; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:03:27 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id VAA03679; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:01:29 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199710220101.VAA03679@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: SGI/Linux mirrors In-Reply-To: <199710220014.RAA05812@oz.engr.sgi.com> from Ariel Faigon at "Oct 21, 97 05:14:23 pm" To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 789 Lines: 18 Thus spake Ariel Faigon: > Anyone has a stable precompiled Kernel we can put on linus ? > It seems that someone deleted the old kernel that was there > and now people cannot try the stuff. ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test/vmlinux-970916-efs.gz is what I was using for a while before I left. It doesn't have Miguel's fancy graphics stuff, and I'm not putting any bets on the EFS code, but the core stuff should work. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Chief System Architect -- Head geek -- System exorcist #> #> "Have you considered a life? I hear they're quite affordable #> these days." --- shields@tembel.org From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 22 01:37:59 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id BAA02653 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA00583 for linux-list; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:37:26 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA00578; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:37:23 -0700 Received: from bentley.socsci.auc.dk (bentley.socsci.auc.dk [130.225.60.48]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id BAA13901; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:37:20 -0700 env-from (mkp@socsci.auc.dk) Received: from jaguar.socsci.auc.dk (jaguar.socsci.auc.dk [130.225.60.49]) by bentley.socsci.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA27844; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:37:18 +0200 Received: (from mkp@localhost) by jaguar.socsci.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA14967; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:35:18 +0200 To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Subject: Re: SGI/Linux mirrors References: <199710220014.RAA05812@oz.engr.sgi.com> Organization: Computing Dept. 1&2, Aalborg University X-Face: ({%T;F${m<}wr[*K`gT|vs1m&kDfl(^PsxTnmb)FL4!_$=dj|NG~.SNrq-qxsT]}i>DP.("XEmucViR>9iEl?,!C1 2p,ST@1)zEW+Kb'iJ,c6~O`BWjCoY42jmV From: Martin Kasper Petersen Date: 22 Oct 1997 10:35:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com's message of "Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:14:23 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.65/XEmacs 19.15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 540 Lines: 15 >>>>> "Ariel" == Ariel Faigon writes: Ariel> Hi, More interest in SGI/Linux around the world. I was Ariel> contacted by admins in three sites (Korea, Poland, and the Ariel> Czech republic) who started mirroring our stuff. As promised we will set up a mirror on SunSITE.auc.dk. Our new 7x9GB RAID arrived yesterday, and as soon as we've got it up and running I'll get back to you. /Martin -- Martin Kasper Petersen BOFH, IC1&2, Aalborg University, DK mailto:mkp@SunSITE.auc.dk http://www.socsci.auc.dk/~mkp/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 22 15:30:37 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA130708 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA27620 for linux-list; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:29:26 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA27606 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:29:24 -0700 Received: from multi11.netcomi.com (multi11.netcomi.com [204.58.155.211]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA16489 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:29:23 -0700 env-from (mgix@nothingreal.com) Received: from void (lax-ca62-01.ix.netcom.com [207.93.37.97]) by multi11.netcomi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA29324 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:29:20 -0500 Message-ID: <344E7DB2.167E@nothingreal.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:26:58 -0700 From: Emmanuel Mogenet Organization: Nothing Real, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Step by step of my experience Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2188 Lines: 74 Hi guys, I've tried to boot Linux on my old clunky R5k this morning, and I thought I'd share the step by step with the list. Basically, I've tried to boot off an EFS filesystem (d4), and here's how I went about it: 1. /d4 is my third scsi disk, with EFS (/dev/sdc under linux) 2. My irix kernel is in /unix on first disk (/dev/sda), which is XFS. Which is OK, since only the kernel is on XFS and the loader can handle it. 3. mkdir /d4/lsgi 4. Put ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test/vmlinux-970916-efs.gz in /d4/lsgi 5. Put ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com:/pub/mips-linux/root-be-0.00.cpio.gz in /d4/lsgi 6. Extract root-be-0.00.cpio.gz in /d4: cd /d4 gzip -dc lsgi/root-be-0.00.cpio.gz | cpio -icvd 7. Install kernel on / cd /d4/lsgi gzip -d vmlinux-970916-efs.gz cp vmlinux-970916-efs /vmlinux 8. Reboot, go to maintenance mode, launch sash and type: scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(0)/vmlinux root=/dev/sdc1 7. The kernel booted, said a great many (good) things and froze with the following messages: VFS: mounted root (efs filesystem) readonly EFS: inode 0x30301 has >EFS_MAX_EXTENTS (43) EFS: <6> attempt to access beyond end of device 08:21 rw=0 want=1190802192, limit=4191574 Conclusion: Wait for Ralf to finish the EFS driver ! This is the exact bug he was talking about. Also: I read a few mails about typing, under sash, the following: boot /vmlinux root=/dev/sdc1 Well, it doesn't work. First, the syntax for the sash boot command in my PROM is: boot -f -n Second, when I did boot -f /vmlinux -n root=/dev/sdc1, it just loaded the kernel, but didn't jump into it. It just told me: the entry address is . When I did go , it ran linux, but tried to boot off tftp. Obviously it ignored the args. I'm just wondering: is there many different versions of sash out there ? I'm off trying to boot off tftpd. I'll keep the list posted. Ciao, - Mgix -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Emmanuel Mogenet PGP Key on Request From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 22 17:11:42 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA142194 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA29862 for linux-list; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:10:37 -0700 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.27]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA29843; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:10:34 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA272545; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199710230010.RAA272545@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Step by step of my experience To: mgix@nothingreal.com (Emmanuel Mogenet) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <344E7DB2.167E@nothingreal.com> from "Emmanuel Mogenet" at Oct 22, 97 03:26:58 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 493 Lines: 18 Emmanuel, Thanks for the report. : : EFS: <6> attempt to access beyond end of device : 08:21 rw=0 want=1190802192, limit=4191574 : :Conclusion: Wait for Ralf to finish the EFS driver ! :This is the exact bug he was talking about. : Actually, it is Mike Shaver, we talked about this one pretty recently, he is pretty busy but when he find some time to fix this it would make things much simpler. Hope someone would be able to answer the sash booting question. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 22 23:27:26 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id XAA224141 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA04636 for linux-list; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:26:55 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA04631; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:26:52 -0700 Received: from neon.ingenia.ca (neon.ingenia.ca [205.207.220.57]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id XAA08381; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:26:50 -0700 env-from (shaver@neon.ingenia.ca) Received: (from shaver@localhost) by neon.ingenia.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id CAA13875; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:24:39 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Message-Id: <199710230624.CAA13875@neon.ingenia.ca> Subject: Re: Step by step of my experience In-Reply-To: <199710230010.RAA272545@oz.engr.sgi.com> from Ariel Faigon at "Oct 22, 97 05:10:33 pm" To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Cc: mgix@nothingreal.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 971 Lines: 22 Thus spake Ariel Faigon: > Actually, it is Mike Shaver, we talked about this one pretty > recently, he is pretty busy but when he find some time to fix > this it would make things much simpler. I've managed to procure a temporary Indy at work now, so I should be able to start hacking on EFS again early next week. I actually have better support already than that kernel would indicate, but I haven't committed all of the changes yet (I don't think). I'll clean up my current support tomorrow or Friday, and then I'll check it in and coerce Miguel or Ralf into making a new test kernel available. Mike -- #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation #> Chief System Architect and Herder of Bits #> #> "Yoda say, `Just slap a little public key crypto into it' does not #> a secure system make." -- Marcus J. Ranum (mjr@clark.net) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 23 10:08:09 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA258728 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA03741 for linux-list; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:07:01 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA03689 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:06:54 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA01551 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:06:52 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (946@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA24158 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:06:49 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199710231706.TAA24158@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/KO-2.0) id TAA03674; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:05:11 +0200 Subject: Magnum 4000 caches To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:05:10 +0200 (MEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 278 Lines: 11 Hi, maybe one of the old Mips people can answer me two questions: - why do the Magnum 4000PC instruction and data caches have a different linesize for the L1 caches, but the Magnum 4000SC not? - does the Magnum 4000SC use a split instruction/data L2 cache? TIA, Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 23 10:24:05 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA261582 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA08604 for linux-list; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:21:44 -0700 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA08590; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:21:42 -0700 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA10794; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:21:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:21:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199710231721.KAA10794@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Ralf Baechle Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Magnum 4000 caches In-Reply-To: <199710231706.TAA24158@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> References: <199710231706.TAA24158@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1028 Lines: 22 Ralf Baechle writes: > Hi, > > maybe one of the old Mips people can answer me two questions: > > - why do the Magnum 4000PC instruction and data caches have a different > linesize for the L1 caches, but the Magnum 4000SC not? It turned out that, at least for some workloads, the 4000PC worked better that way. (If I remember correctly, a 32-byte linesize is better for the icache, since a 4-instruction basic block is unusual.) However, not all boxes use the same linesize values, because there were hardware bugs with at least some of the memory controllers which were affected by the choice of linesize. I don't remember the details anymore, although I might find them in my mail archivies. I have a 4000PC system (32-byte I, 16-byte D, MCT version 3) and two 4000SC systems (16-byte I, D, and S, MCT version 2) still online. I think that MCT version 2 would not support a 32-byte line. > - does the Magnum 4000SC use a split instruction/data L2 cache? No, it has a unified writeback L2 cache. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 23 10:59:46 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA116212 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA21964 for linux-list; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:57:50 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA21951; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:57:48 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA28402; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:57:46 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (946@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA25739; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:57:44 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199710231757.TAA25739@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/KO-2.0) id TAA03736; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:56:06 +0200 Subject: Re: Magnum 4000 caches To: wje@fir.engr.sgi.com (William J. Earl) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:56:06 +0200 (MEST) Cc: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199710231721.KAA10794@fir.engr.sgi.com> from "William J. Earl" at Oct 23, 97 10:21:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1203 Lines: 22 > It turned out that, at least for some workloads, the 4000PC > worked better that way. (If I remember correctly, a 32-byte linesize > is better for the icache, since a 4-instruction basic block is > unusual.) However, not all boxes use the same linesize values, > because there were hardware bugs with at least some of the memory > controllers which were affected by the choice of linesize. I don't > remember the details anymore, although I might find them in my mail > archivies. I have a 4000PC system (32-byte I, 16-byte D, MCT version 3) > and two 4000SC systems (16-byte I, D, and S, MCT version 2) still online. > I think that MCT version 2 would not support a 32-byte line. So as the easy solution, as I understand things we should be safe by just leaving the linesize as the firmware chooses them for us Magnums? I actually intended to experiment with the linesize on R4k but as things look now this isn't a good thing. Btw, seems we'll get an interesting new target for Linux. It's currently ftp.uni-erlangen.de and one of the admins who might do the job, a Linux/68k hacker told me it's a 3 x R6000 box with 256mb of RAM currently running ES/IX something like that ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 23 11:10:58 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA271053 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA26322 for linux-list; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:08:35 -0700 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA26317; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:08:33 -0700 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA11992; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:08:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:08:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199710231808.LAA11992@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Ralf Baechle Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Magnum 4000 caches In-Reply-To: <199710231757.TAA25739@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> References: <199710231721.KAA10794@fir.engr.sgi.com> <199710231757.TAA25739@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2476 Lines: 41 Ralf Baechle writes: > > It turned out that, at least for some workloads, the 4000PC > > worked better that way. (If I remember correctly, a 32-byte linesize > > is better for the icache, since a 4-instruction basic block is > > unusual.) However, not all boxes use the same linesize values, > > because there were hardware bugs with at least some of the memory > > controllers which were affected by the choice of linesize. I don't > > remember the details anymore, although I might find them in my mail > > archivies. I have a 4000PC system (32-byte I, 16-byte D, MCT version 3) > > and two 4000SC systems (16-byte I, D, and S, MCT version 2) still online. > > I think that MCT version 2 would not support a 32-byte line. > > So as the easy solution, as I understand things we should be safe by > just leaving the linesize as the firmware chooses them for us Magnums? > I actually intended to experiment with the linesize on R4k but as > things look now this isn't a good thing. Yes, I think you should leave the linesize alone, at least on the MCT version 2. You could try alternate linesize values on the MCT version 3. The cache control code should use the linesize values from $config. By the way, I have found that it is generally faster on the R4000 (and especially on later processors) to compute such values from $config each time than to load them from variables in memory. The amortized cost of the extra cache misses can easily outweigh the extra instructions needed to recompute the value (since the latter are really very few, if you code the sequence cleverly in assembly language). Similarly, if you need to test for processor type, it is usually faster to fetch and decode $prid than to use a variable in memory. > Btw, seems we'll get an interesting new target for Linux. It's currently > ftp.uni-erlangen.de and one of the admins who might do the job, a Linux/68k > hacker told me it's a 3 x R6000 box with 256mb of RAM currently running > ES/IX something like that ... The R6000 is a real challenge. It is substantially different from the R3000 and R4000. In particular, it uses part of the cache as a sort of second level TLB. ES/IX is the CDC version of MP RISC/os. (MIPS worked on MP RISC/os, but never shipped it to customers; CDC took it over as a product.) The I/O is fairly straightforward, being mostly VME devices, but it does include I/O address mapping hardware which must be configured. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 23 11:27:29 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA275868 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA03565 for linux-list; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:25:30 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA03509; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:25:20 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA13635; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:25:18 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (946@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA26628; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:25:16 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199710231825.UAA26628@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/KO-2.0) id UAA03797; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:23:38 +0200 Subject: Re: Magnum 4000 caches To: wje@fir.engr.sgi.com (William J. Earl) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:23:38 +0200 (MEST) Cc: ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199710231808.LAA11992@fir.engr.sgi.com> from "William J. Earl" at Oct 23, 97 11:08:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1543 Lines: 28 > Yes, I think you should leave the linesize alone, at least on > the MCT version 2. You could try alternate linesize values on the MCT > version 3. The cache control code should use the linesize values from > $config. By the way, I have found that it is generally faster on the R4000 (and > especially on later processors) to compute such values from $config each > time than to load them from variables in memory. The amortized cost > of the extra cache misses can easily outweigh the extra instructions needed > to recompute the value (since the latter are really very few, if you > code the sequence cleverly in assembly language). Similarly, if you need > to test for processor type, it is usually faster to fetch and decode > $prid than to use a variable in memory. Indeed, Linux could need a little polish in that respect ... > The R6000 is a real challenge. It is substantially different > from the R3000 and R4000. In particular, it uses part of the cache > as a sort of second level TLB. ES/IX is the CDC version of MP RISC/os. > (MIPS worked on MP RISC/os, but never shipped it to customers; CDC took > it over as a product.) The I/O is fairly straightforward, being mostly > VME devices, but it does include I/O address mapping hardware which must > be configured. Is the information in newer releases of Kane's MIPS bible sufficient to do the R6000 part of the job? I guess the company (BIT ???) that made the R6000 is no longer around, so it would make sense if Roman'd ask them for a manual ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Oct 23 11:49:09 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA278056 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA13182 for linux-list; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:47:53 -0700 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA13144; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:47:44 -0700 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA12820; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:47:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:47:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199710231847.LAA12820@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Ralf Baechle Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Magnum 4000 caches In-Reply-To: <199710231825.UAA26628@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> References: <199710231808.LAA11992@fir.engr.sgi.com> <199710231825.UAA26628@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1087 Lines: 21 Ralf Baechle writes: ... > > The R6000 is a real challenge. It is substantially different > > from the R3000 and R4000. In particular, it uses part of the cache > > as a sort of second level TLB. ES/IX is the CDC version of MP RISC/os. > > (MIPS worked on MP RISC/os, but never shipped it to customers; CDC took > > it over as a product.) The I/O is fairly straightforward, being mostly > > VME devices, but it does include I/O address mapping hardware which must > > be configured. > > Is the information in newer releases of Kane's MIPS bible sufficient to > do the R6000 part of the job? I guess the company (BIT ???) that made the > R6000 is no longer around, so it would make sense if Roman'd ask them > for a manual ... BIT made the parts originally, but we later got the parts from NEC. The latter were faster, more reliable, and much cheaper. CDC might still provide the manuals. As far as I know, the R6000 is not well documented in the regular MIPS documentation. I might, however, be able to get you some information about processor issues. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 24 10:10:15 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA455400 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA08641 for linux-list; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:07:54 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA08571 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:07:45 -0700 Received: from onramp.ca (onramp.ca [204.225.88.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via SMTP id KAA17844 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:07:42 -0700 env-from (mikehill@hgeng.com) Received: from bart.hgeng.com(imail.hgeng.com[199.246.72.233]) (977 bytes) by onramp.ca via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:07:39 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.98 1997-Oct-16 #11 built 1997-Oct-23) Received: by bart.hgeng.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:07:45 -0400 Message-ID: <60222E63C9F4D011915F00A02435011C011A5F@bart.hgeng.com> From: Mike Hill To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: RE: Step by step of my experience Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:07:43 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 396 Lines: 18 Thus spake Mike Shaver: > I'll clean up my current support tomorrow or Friday, and then I'll > check it in and coerce Miguel or Ralf into making a new test kernel > available. Is it possible to download the latest development work on the kernel, for instance what's in the CVS repository? Or, to quote the FAQ: 14. Where can I find up-to-the-second releases? Regards, Mike Hill From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 24 14:16:09 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA512641 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA03640 for linux-list; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:14:19 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA03625 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:14:16 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA29378 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:14:14 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (946@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA11858; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:14:11 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199710242114.XAA11858@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/KO-2.0) id XAA04073; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:12:30 +0200 Subject: Re: Step by step of my experience To: mikehill@hgeng.com (Mike Hill) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:12:30 +0200 (MEST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <60222E63C9F4D011915F00A02435011C011A5F@bart.hgeng.com> from "Mike Hill" at Oct 24, 97 01:07:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 749 Lines: 19 Hi, > Thus spake Mike Shaver: > > I'll clean up my current support tomorrow or Friday, and then I'll > > check it in and coerce Miguel or Ralf into making a new test > > kernel available. > > Is it possible to download the latest development work on the kernel, > for instance what's in the CVS repository? Or, to quote the FAQ: > > 14. Where can I find up-to-the-second releases? We'll setup anonymous CVS access and a cronjob that will create diffs between kernel releases such that people can stay uptodate. Right now you should go for the testing kernels in /pub/src/kernel/testing/, they are the newest and most reliable onces released. I've got tons of bugfixes but I won't have the time to merge them in the near future ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 24 15:19:43 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA536855 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA25292 for linux-list; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:18:26 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA25276 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:18:24 -0700 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA03978 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:18:15 -0700 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (guru-transit1-336.swansea.cymru.net [163.164.160.20]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA08524 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:16:53 +0100 Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xOrfv-0005G0C; Fri, 24 Oct 97 22:53 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Look what I found in a big cardboard box To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:53:47 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <60222E63C9F4D011915F00A02435011C011A5F@bart.hgeng.com> from "Mike Hill" at Oct 24, 97 01:07:43 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 671 Lines: 17 And there was light (actually there was heavy..) My SGI arrived today. Anyway after the required prelimiaries (Batallion, making stupid indycam movies) I had a hack at the ext2fs utils and libs - fixed them to compile and run properly under the Indy native cc. I can successfully make and then fsck an ext2 partition. What Im going to do next is chase the work from the Mac68K installer and see if I can use that with the ext2fs lib to get the same arrangement working (that is an application level toolset for installing tars and the like) from Irix. To that goal I'm going to be working on the tool stuff until I've successfully bootstrapped Linux that way. Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 24 16:07:30 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA540881 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA09638 for linux-list; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:05:19 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA09611 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:05:13 -0700 Received: from dns.cobaltmicro.com ([209.19.61.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA27124 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:05:08 -0700 env-from (ralf@mail2.cobaltmicro.com) Received: from dull.cobaltmicro.com (dull.cobaltmicro.com [209.19.61.35]) by dns.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10215; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:04:48 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by dull.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA00534; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:02:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199710242302.QAA00534@dull.cobaltmicro.com> Subject: Re: Look what I found in a big cardboard box To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Alan Cox" at Oct 24, 97 10:53:47 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1112 Lines: 28 Hi, > And there was light (actually there was heavy..) *grin* And there was big - the box didn't fit into my car ... > My SGI arrived today. Anyway after the required prelimiaries (Batallion, > making stupid indycam movies) I had a hack at the ext2fs utils and libs - > fixed them to compile and run properly under the Indy native cc. I can > successfully make and then fsck an ext2 partition. I'll work on a set of standalone utilities for the Indy's ARC (pronounce arggghh ...) firmware. That will bring us closer to get the thing independant from IRIX. In theory it should be pretty easy, but the various ARC implementations I saw so far were beyond just completly broken, at least the old onces which should be supported, too. > What Im going to do next is chase the work from the Mac68K installer and > see if I can use that with the ext2fs lib to get the same arrangement working > (that is an application level toolset for installing tars and the like) from > Irix. > > To that goal I'm going to be working on the tool stuff until I've successfully > bootstrapped Linux that way. Cool. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 24 16:19:51 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA545237 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA14035 for linux-list; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:18:44 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA13973 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:18:34 -0700 Received: from multi11.netcomi.com (multi11.netcomi.com [204.58.155.211]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA03983 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:18:23 -0700 env-from (mgix@nothingreal.com) Received: from void (lax-ca50-20.ix.netcom.com [204.30.73.244]) by multi11.netcomi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA28887 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:18:18 -0500 Message-ID: <34512C2B.41C6@nothingreal.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:15:55 -0700 From: Emmanuel Mogenet Organization: Nothing Real, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Step by step, cont'd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 733 Lines: 29 Today, I tried to boot Linux on my Indy with an NFS mounted root. Failed again. Here's what I did: 1. Installed the root tree on machine 192.0.2.15, in /disk4 2. Configured bootp on machine 192.0.2.3 so that it could inform my machine that it's address is 192.0.2.2. 3. Rebooted my machine 4. Went to sash. 5 Typed: scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(0)/vmlinux nfsroot=192.0.2.15:/disk4 So far, so good. 5. The linux kernel booted, and said: Root-NFS: Got BOOTP answer from 192.0.2.3, my address is 192.0.2.2 Root-NFS: Adding default route failed! Root-NFS: Unable to contact server ... Anybody knows why it couldn't add a route ? I'm using the following kernel: vmlinux-970916-efs I'm going to try an older one. - Mgix From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 24 17:00:20 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA552641 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA26492 for linux-list; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:59:09 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA26465 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:59:06 -0700 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA22643 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:59:03 -0700 env-from (ralf@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (946@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA19922; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:59:01 +0200 (MEST) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199710242359.BAA19922@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/KO-2.0) id BAA04876; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:57:24 +0200 Subject: Re: Step by step, cont'd To: mgix@nothingreal.com (Emmanuel Mogenet) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:57:24 +0200 (MEST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <34512C2B.41C6@nothingreal.com> from "Emmanuel Mogenet" at Oct 24, 97 04:15:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 929 Lines: 33 > > Today, I tried to boot Linux on my Indy with an NFS mounted > root. Failed again. Here's what I did: > > 1. Installed the root tree on machine 192.0.2.15, in /disk4 > 2. Configured bootp on machine 192.0.2.3 so that it could inform > my machine that it's address is 192.0.2.2. > 3. Rebooted my machine > 4. Went to sash. > 5 Typed: > > scsi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(0)/vmlinux nfsroot=192.0.2.15:/disk4 > > So far, so good. > > 5. The linux kernel booted, and said: > > Root-NFS: Got BOOTP answer from 192.0.2.3, my address is 192.0.2.2 > Root-NFS: Adding default route failed! > Root-NFS: Unable to contact server ... > > > Anybody knows why it couldn't add a route ? > I'm using the following kernel: > > vmlinux-970916-efs > > I'm going to try an older one. I've you've got a working crosscompiler, try building one of the most current ones. The bug you're reporting is fixed in current kernels. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Oct 24 17:27:05 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA552245 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA03229 for linux-list; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:25:49 -0700 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA03194 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:25:46 -0700 Received: from multi11.netcomi.com (multi11.netcomi.com [204.58.155.211]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id RAA04924 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:25:45 -0700 env-from (mgix@nothingreal.com) Received: from void (lax-ca50-20.ix.netcom.com [204.30.73.244]) by multi11.netcomi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA30565; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:25:06 -0500 Message-ID: <34513BC9.41C6@nothingreal.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:22:33 -0700 From: Emmanuel Mogenet Organization: Nothing Real, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralf Baechle CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Step by step, cont'd References: <199710242359.BAA19922@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 407 Lines: 13 Ralf Baechle wrote: > I've you've got a working crosscompiler, try building one of the most > current ones. The bug you're reporting is fixed in current kernels. Ok, I've dowloaded the cross-compiling environment from ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/crossdev/mips-sgi-irix6.2/mips-linux but where do I get the latest kernel sources from ? Is the SGI port back into the standard ports on the net ? - Mgix From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 29 13:05:30 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA396265 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:05:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA18011 for linux-list; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:04:17 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA18003; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:04:15 -0800 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA00947; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:04:12 -0800 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (the-great-packet-bucket-in-the-sky [163.164.160.21] (may be forged)) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA05345; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:04:03 GMT Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xQcdN-0005G0C; Wed, 29 Oct 97 18:14 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Step by step of my experience To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:14:24 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mgix@nothingreal.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199710230010.RAA272545@oz.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at Oct 22, 97 05:10:33 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1168 Lines: 34 > Actually, it is Mike Shaver, we talked about this one pretty > recently, he is pretty busy but when he find some time to fix > this it would make things much simpler. > Also the EFS code panics if its given an FS that isnt EFS it should just say "Nope". That confused me for a while Anyway I've made a fair bit of progress by the time honoured technique of gluing other peoples code together in a new shape I now have working SGI ext2fs tools that checkout v Linux ok. Ted has the patches. I have a hacked up MacLinux installer which doesnt know tar/du/df/cp this time but does know how to unpack cpio files (only I broke /dev files and need to fix that) With that installer and a bit of tweaking with mknod by hnd to fix the cpio device file bug I've got Linux/SGI up and running and all the base redhat bits on Im being bitten by a couple of kernel bugs tho 1. vmalloc keeps failing on the unix GC (annoying noise) 2. SIGCLD isnt getting given to init for some reason when scripts terminate (breaks redhat init scripting) [ note init isnt ignoring the signal... ] Oh and does anyone happen to have a working ldconfig binary for Linux/SGI ? Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 29 13:55:46 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA403979 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA03472 for linux-list; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:54:22 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA03414; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:54:12 -0800 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA26291; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:54:05 -0800 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15807; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:50:29 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:50:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199710292150.PAA15807@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk CC: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mgix@nothingreal.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Subject: Re: Step by step of my experience X-FileLength: are infinite where infinity is set to 255 characters Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 439 Lines: 16 > Im being bitten by a couple of kernel bugs tho > > 1. vmalloc keeps failing on the unix GC (annoying noise) The fix for this is commited in the cvs tree. > 2. SIGCLD isnt getting given to init for some reason > when scripts terminate (breaks redhat init scripting) > [ note init isnt ignoring the signal... ] The latest SysV init works around this problem. Or at least fixes all the problems for me. Cheers, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Oct 29 14:47:47 1997 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (970903.SGI.8.8.7/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA413482 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:47:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA19138 for linux-list; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:46:47 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA19128; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:46:43 -0800 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA23620; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:46:31 -0800 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (the-great-packet-bucket-in-the-sky [163.164.160.21] (may be forged)) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA06898; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:46:06 GMT Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xQgoS-0005FrC; Wed, 29 Oct 97 22:42 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Step by step of my experience To: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx (Miguel de Icaza) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:42:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mgix@nothingreal.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199710292150.PAA15807@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> from "Miguel de Icaza" at Oct 29, 97 03:50:29 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 509 Lines: 14 > The latest SysV init works around this problem. Or at least fixes all > the problems for me. Ok I'll upgrade that when I build it as an rpm. 2.1.55 was fairly stable although rebuilding 3 rpms one of which is the howto's one (spends most of its time copying and compressing 200Mb of data) did finally get me a disk read from beyond the end of the disk. A pile of rpms are on ftp.uk.linux.org:/pub/linux/incoming/SGI. I'll start playing collect the RedHat 4.9.1 rpms with other folks I guess now. Alan