From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 5 16:18:39 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA44549 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:18:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA19104 for linux-list; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:13:26 -0800 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA19099 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:13:25 -0800 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA29017; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:13:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:13:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199802060013.QAA29017@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Another linux tidbit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 439 Lines: 7 I was just browsing this week's Info World, which includes their "1997 Product of the Year" awards. They gave the Operating System award to Red Hat Linux, and the Best Technical Support award to the Linux user community. They wrote, "Find out what you have been missing while you've been rebooting Windows NT", and, in regard to support from commercial vendors, "Many times [the vendors] deny that there are bugs in their software." From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 5 16:34:36 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA46357 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:34:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA25529 for linux-list; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:31:56 -0800 Received: from hollywood.engr.sgi.com (hollywood.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.38]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA25520 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:31:54 -0800 Received: (from fisher@localhost) by hollywood.engr.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA09851; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:31:54 -0800 From: fisher@hollywood.engr.sgi.com (William Fisher) Message-Id: <199802060031.QAA09851@hollywood.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Another linux tidbit To: wje@fir.engr.sgi.com (William J. Earl) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:31:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@hollywood.engr.sgi.com, fisher@hollywood.engr.sgi.com (William Fisher) In-Reply-To: <199802060013.QAA29017@fir.engr.sgi.com> from "William J. Earl" at Feb 5, 98 04:13:25 pm Reply-To: fisher@sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1147 Lines: 26 > > I was just browsing this week's Info World, which includes > their "1997 Product of the Year" awards. They gave the Operating > System award to Red Hat Linux, and the Best Technical Support > award to the Linux user community. They wrote, "Find out what > you have been missing while you've been rebooting Windows NT", and, > in regard to support from commercial vendors, "Many times [the vendors] > deny that there are bugs in their software." > Bill Gates has explictly stated in several published interviews that Microsoft does NOT do software releases ONLY to fix bugs. "The only reason to release new software is for features which the customers are willing to pay." He even argued that the typical "fixed in the next release" quoted by technical support was a non-starter. I wonder what BillG does when he hits an bug in "his software"? What does he do after immediately calling technical support, waiting one on hold for 20+ minutes, he is then told "It's fixed in the next release", what does he do next? File bug report and waits for some new additional buggy feature(s) in the next release to arrive? -- Bill From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 6 15:37:06 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA129820 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:37:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA06108 for linux-list; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:32:45 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA06097 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:32:43 -0800 Received: from godzilla.taec.com (godzilla.taec.com [204.162.152.130]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via SMTP id PAA07858 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:32:43 -0800 env-from (sasahm@taec.toshiba.com) Received: from mailint.taec.com by godzilla.taec.com via smtpd (for SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) with SMTP; 6 Feb 1998 23:32:43 UT Received: from oita (oita.taec.com [198.232.207.41]) by sol-x86-1.taec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27891 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:32:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802062332.PAA27891@sol-x86-1.taec.com> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Trouble in making swap area X-Mailer: Mew version 1.68 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 15:32:38 -0800 From: Masashi Sasahara/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOns4NkA1O0obKEI=?= Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 643 Lines: 19 Hello. I'm Masashi Sasahara @ Toshiba America, joined this mailling-list today. I'm trying to install linux onto indy using vmlinux-970916-efs and Linux-installer-0.1d which is on ftp.linux.sgi.com. Actually I failed to start "installer" so I extracted root-be-0.03 by hand. So I managed to install everything in root-be-0.01.cpio. but I'm having a problem on creating swap area. As far as I searched in the archive of this mailing list, mkswap should be in root-be-xxx distribution, right? But I couldn't find that even in the older root-be- files in old/. Where can I get mkswap or how can I make swap? Thanks, Masashi Sasahara From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 6 16:42:02 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA141576 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:42:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA28194 for linux-list; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:39:07 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA28153 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:39:02 -0800 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA25373 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:38:57 -0800 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA02654; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:40:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:40:00 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Masashi Sasahara/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOns4NkA1O0obKEI=?= cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Trouble in making swap area In-Reply-To: <199802062332.PAA27891@sol-x86-1.taec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 826 Lines: 21 On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Masashi Sasahara/[ISO-2022-JP] 笹原正司 wrote: > > I'm trying to install linux onto indy using vmlinux-970916-efs > and Linux-installer-0.1d which is on ftp.linux.sgi.com. > Actually I failed to start "installer" so I extracted > root-be-0.03 by hand. So I managed to install everything in > root-be-0.01.cpio. but I'm having a problem on creating swap > area. Uh, are you using root-be 0.01, or 0.03? I believe 0.03 has mkswap in it, but 0.01 does not. What happened when you tried to run the installer? You probably don't need mkswap at this point anyway, since there really aren't that many applications in root-be that will chew up that much space. The goal should be to put root-be on your filesystem, and from there install all the RPMS (which contain mkswap in util-linux). - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 6 17:44:40 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA146881 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:44:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA14833 for linux-list; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:42:07 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA14818 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:42:01 -0800 Received: from godzilla.taec.com (godzilla.taec.com [204.162.152.130]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via SMTP id RAA13677 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:42:00 -0800 env-from (sasahm@taec.toshiba.com) Received: from mailint.taec.com by godzilla.taec.com via smtpd (for SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) with SMTP; 7 Feb 1998 01:42:00 UT Received: from oita (oita.taec.com [198.232.207.41]) by sol-x86-1.taec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03417 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:41:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802070141.RAA03417@sol-x86-1.taec.com> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Trouble in making swap area In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:40:00 -0500 (EST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.68 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 17:41:59 -0800 From: Masashi Sasahara/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOns4NkA1O0obKEI=?= Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1382 Lines: 38 Hi, Alex, > > I'm trying to install linux onto indy using vmlinux-970916-efs > > and Linux-installer-0.1d which is on ftp.linux.sgi.com. > > Actually I failed to start "installer" so I extracted > > root-be-0.03 by hand. So I managed to install everything in > > root-be-0.01.cpio. but I'm having a problem on creating swap > > area. > > Uh, are you using root-be 0.01, or 0.03? I believe 0.03 has mkswap in it, > but 0.01 does not. Oh, I'm sorry. 0.01 way typo. I used 0.03. > What happened when you tried to run the installer? It simply says "Command not found" though I could execute other binaries like ls or whatever came with root-be-0.03.tar.gz. > You probably don't need mkswap at this point anyway, since there really > aren't that many applications in root-be that will chew up that much Oh, I should write more about where I am now. I booted linux kernel via tftp, made ext2 filesystem on indy's drive, and I extracted root-be-0.03 by hand (because of installer's problem), and installed RPM stuffs. > space. The goal should be to put root-be on your filesystem, and from > there install all the RPMS (which contain mkswap in util-linux). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Great! that's what I want to know!! Maybe I haven't extracted that (or forgot to get). Thank you very much. I'll try that. -Masashi Sasahara From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Feb 7 01:16:57 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id BAA176322 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 01:16:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA10848 for linux-list; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 01:13:17 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA10842 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 01:13:15 -0800 Received: from godzilla.taec.com (godzilla.taec.com [204.162.152.130]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via SMTP id BAA03165 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 01:13:15 -0800 env-from (sasahm@taec.toshiba.com) Received: from mailint.taec.com by godzilla.taec.com via smtpd (for SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) with SMTP; 7 Feb 1998 09:13:14 UT Received: from oita (oita.taec.com [198.232.207.41]) by sol-x86-1.taec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10209 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 01:13:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802070913.BAA10209@sol-x86-1.taec.com> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Trouble in making swap area In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Feb 1998 17:41:59 -0800" References: <199802070141.RAA03417@sol-x86-1.taec.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.68 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 01:13:04 -0800 From: Masashi Sasahara/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOns4NkA1O0obKEI=?= Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1222 Lines: 30 > > What happened when you tried to run the installer? > > It simply says "Command not found" though I could execute > other binaries like ls or whatever came with root-be-0.03.tar.gz. I think I see what's happened. I extracted root-b-0.03.cpio come with Linux-installer-0.1d.tar.gz again and did "file ld*" in lib. ---------------------------- % file ld* ld-2.0.4.so: ELF 32-bit MSB dynamic lib MIPS RS3000 Big-Endian Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped ld-linux.so.1: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib 80386 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped ld-linux.so.1.9.5: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib 80386 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped ld.so: ELF 32-bit LSB executable 80386 Version 1, statically linked, not stripped ld.so.1: ELF 32-bit MSB dynamic lib MIPS RS3000 Big-Endian Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped ld.so.1.9.5: ELF 32-bit LSB executable 80386 Version 1, statically linked, not stripped ----------------- Probably ld.so for x86 was called when I tried to start installer. # Why x86 is here??? Anyway, I got mkswap from util-linux and everything is ok now. (though I couldn't find it in root-be 0.03.) Thank you, Alex. -Masashi Sasahara From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 11 01:32:24 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id BAA20879 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:32:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA25220 for linux-list; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:30:44 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA25214 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:30:43 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id BAA10576 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:30:40 -0800 env-from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-28.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.28]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21638 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:30:37 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA09471; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:26:31 +0100 Message-ID: <19980211102631.43451@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:26:31 +0100 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Commercial Linux/MIPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1166 Lines: 27 On Tue, Feb 10, 1998 at 10:49:36PM -0800, Timothy Stonis wrote: > Just wanted to let you all know that Cobalt has officially announced > it's Qube product which is based on Linux/MIPS. There's some information > on the product at out website: http://www.cobaltmicro.com/. > > We've been running our mail and website off our product for quite a > while now without a hitch. > > We'll be shipping a developer version of the product at a rather > agressive price point, which offers essentially a turnkey headless Linux > box in a cute little package. The install is basically a Redhat one. > > And you'll be happy to know that much of the kernel work was done by the > infamous Ralf... Infamous?!? What??? Me?!? > Please feel free to forward me any questions you might have. Of course, > what would a bunch of hackers do with a box like that? :-) There is going to be more commercial Linux/MIPS rsn. Linux will control NMR systems, including medical systems and systems for long time measurements where failure is no option. In those systems Linux will be the successor of a modified Risc/OS 4.51 version. Stay tuned for details ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 11 11:07:51 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA23492 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:07:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA07720 for linux-list; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:03:29 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA07653 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:03:19 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA18982 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:03:16 -0800 env-from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (dali.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.1]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03229 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:03:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA10483; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:59:53 +0100 Message-ID: <19980211195953.60622@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:59:53 +0100 To: "Michael L. Galbraith" Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Commercial Linux/MIPS... References: <19980211102010.31989@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Michael L. Galbraith on Wed, Feb 11, 1998 at 07:42:55PM +0100 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1022 Lines: 24 On Wed, Feb 11, 1998 at 07:42:55PM +0100, Michael L. Galbraith wrote: > > There is going to be more commercial Linux/MIPS rsn. Linux will control > > NMR systems, including medical systems and systems for long time measurements > > where failure is no option. In those systems Linux will be the successor > > of a modified Risc/OS 4.51 version. Stay tuned for details ... > > > > Ralf > > OOHA!, > > URL's anyone? I have an RM400 (R4400/100) in need of a soul transplant. That's yet another type of machine. I've ported Linux to the SNI RM200C; it should also run on the RM300. The R400 is a SMP machine and I don't have any data about it at all. In fact, since so far nobody was so generous to loan me a SMP box there isn't even MIPS SMP yet ... But here is what _you_ can do: Call SNI and have a bit fun nervragging them for Linux. There are so many very different MIPS machines out there that reverse engineering isn't a real option unless you solve the problem of human immortability before :-( Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 11 13:00:29 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA96308 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:00:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA17747 for linux-list; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:57:50 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA17716 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:57:44 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA00124 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:57:43 -0800 env-from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (dali.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.1]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08298 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:57:42 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA10785; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:53:59 +0100 Message-ID: <19980211215359.48251@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:53:59 +0100 To: Nat Friedman Cc: linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: PPro: Global flag in page table References: <199802112027.PAA07668@ALEPH1.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199802112027.PAA07668@ALEPH1.MIT.EDU>; from Nat Friedman on Wed, Feb 11, 1998 at 03:27:50PM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2665 Lines: 49 On Wed, Feb 11, 1998 at 03:27:50PM -0500, Nat Friedman wrote: > I was just reading through some Intel docs and noticed that the Pentium Pro > introduced a Global flag for for page table and page directory entries. When > this flag is set on an entry, and the PGE (Page Global Enable) flag is set > in register CR4, the entry is not invalidated in the TLB on a task switch. > My understanding of this is crude, so be gentle if I've misunderstood, but > I don't think that this is implemented for Linux and was wondering if the > benefits warranted implementing it. > > Miguel tells me that a similar tactic is implemented in the MIPS port - it > might be nice for PPro to have it too. No, we don't use that feature on MIPS. It could be used for the pagetables for kernel virtual memory - but we currently don't use it, mainly because it would make flushing the TLB more complex because would have to examine every entry before we might flush it. Basically it would be a tradeoff between the costs of an increased number page faults for pagetable entries for kernel virtual memory and the increased costs for a more complex TLB flush routine. I haven't done detailed profiling on that but my stomach says that trying to avoid the added complexity by using the global bit is actually making things faster. I suppose this would be different on the PPro. There is another strategy which the MIPS port is using to avoid the cost of having to flush and possibly reload the TLB entries on MIPS. On MIPS each TLB entry has an additional 6 bit (R2000, R3000 series) / 8 bit (R4000 and up) field that contains something called process id / address space identifier. That field basicaly allows to tag TLB entries such that there is in most cases no need to flush the entire TLB on context switches. With respect to the global bit in TLB entries this means that we may have multiple entries for the same kernel virtual address in the TLB, just with a different PID / ASID tag. (PID / ASID is the same thing; it's just a different naming for the 32 bit and 64 bit implementations of the MIPS architecture) A feature we do use on MIPS is the KSEG0. KSEG0 ("Kernel SEGment 0") is an area in the virtual address space at 0x80000000 of 512mb size which is 1:1 mapped to physical addresses from 0 upwards. KSEG0 is probably best compared with the transparent translation registers of the 68030 with the big difference that it cannot be disabled and the only thing that can be configured for KSEG0 is the caching mode the CPU uses to access the main memory. KSEG0 is actually a nice win because the topic of TLB faults for kernel memory is non-issue on MIPS. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 11 21:03:06 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id VAA143797 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:03:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA27319 for linux-list; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:00:12 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA27306 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:00:10 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id VAA02746 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:00:09 -0800 env-from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-06.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.6]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02621 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:00:06 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA11617; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:56:48 +0100 Message-ID: <19980212055648.54198@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:56:48 +0100 To: linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: TLB entries > 4kb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 679 Lines: 13 Some architectures can use multiple page sizes in the TLB at the same time. This would for example allow to map memory allocations > PAGE_SIZE using just a single TLB entry if the circumstances are just right, thereby reducing / eleminating TLB trashing. This should improve the performance for huge apps quite a bit. Some architectures could partially get rid of the sick effects of their virtual indexed primary caches as well. All that is needed for this to work is to have sufficiently large physical pages with sufficient alignment at hand. Has anybody ever looked into implementing that? What architectures besides MIPS could take advantage of such a feature? Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 11 22:00:03 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA154789 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:00:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA04682 for linux-list; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:54:34 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA04668 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:54:28 -0800 Received: from dm.cobaltmicro.com (dm.cobaltmicro.com [209.133.34.35]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id VAA16355 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:54:27 -0800 env-from (davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com) Received: (from davem@localhost) by dm.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA23879; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:50:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:50:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199802120550.VAA23879@dm.cobaltmicro.com> From: "David S. Miller" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de CC: linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <19980212055648.54198@uni-koblenz.de> (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Subject: Re: TLB entries > 4kb References: <19980212055648.54198@uni-koblenz.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 445 Lines: 13 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:56:48 +0100 Has anybody ever looked into implementing that? What architectures besides MIPS could take advantage of such a feature? We already use it on Sparc64 for mmap()'ing the frame buffers, we could easily extend it to work for mmap()'s of real memory. Check out arch/sparc64/mm/generic.c in the vger CVS tree for details. Later, David S. Miller davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 12 00:58:40 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id AAA164544 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:58:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA02022 for linux-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:51:00 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA02008 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:50:50 -0800 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id AAA03808 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:50:48 -0800 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA23062; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:50:31 GMT Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0y2uMG-0005FsC; Thu, 12 Feb 98 08:51 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: TLB entries > 4kb To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:51:00 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <19980212055648.54198@uni-koblenz.de> from "ralf@uni-koblenz.de" at Feb 12, 98 05:56:48 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 354 Lines: 7 > Has anybody ever looked into implementing that? What architectures besides > MIPS could take advantage of such a feature? On the intel its a huge win to map PCI frame buffers using 4Mbyte pages, but the kernel mmap really can't hack the idea right now. A pity cos if you hack it in and make sure you never unmap it you get 2-3% better X performance From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 12 04:14:16 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id EAA180669 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:14:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA18261 for linux-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:10:56 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA18256 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:10:54 -0800 Received: from mario.gams.at (mario.gams.at [194.42.96.10]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id EAA21199 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:10:51 -0800 env-from (mla@gams.co.at) Received: from bononunu.gams.co.at (mail.gams.co.at [193.46.232.10]) by mario.gams.at (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04408; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:10:06 +0100 Received: from loki.gams.co.at (loki.gams.co.at [193.46.232.130]) by bononunu.gams.co.at (8.7.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24024; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:10:04 +0100 Received: from loki.gams.co.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by loki.gams.co.at (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25532; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:10:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199802121210.NAA25532@loki.gams.co.at> To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: TLB entries > 4kb In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:56:48 +0100." <19980212055648.54198@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:10:02 +0100 From: Michael Lausch Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1094 Lines: 24 >>>>> "r" == ralf >>>>> wrote the following on Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:56:48 +0100 r> Some architectures can use multiple page sizes in the TLB at the same time. r> This would for example allow to map memory allocations > PAGE_SIZE using just r> a single TLB entry if the circumstances are just right, thereby r> reducing / eleminating TLB trashing. This should improve the performance r> for huge apps quite a bit. Some architectures could partially get rid of r> the sick effects of their virtual indexed primary caches as well. All that r> is needed for this to work is to have sufficiently large physical pages with r> sufficient alignment at hand. r> Has anybody ever looked into implementing that? What architectures besides r> MIPS could take advantage of such a feature? The MPC860. We now have 8 MByte Page Table entries for the Kernel Address Space and the Dual Ported RAM used to communicate with the CPM. r> Ralf r> - r> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in r> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 12 10:05:53 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA198252 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:05:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA22806 for linux-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:01:57 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA22676 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:01:35 -0800 Received: from chiara.csoma.elte.hu (chiara.csoma.elte.hu [157.181.71.18]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id KAA02200 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:01:24 -0800 env-from (mingo@chiara.csoma.elte.hu) Received: from localhost (mingo@localhost) by chiara.csoma.elte.hu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA28155; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:00:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:00:41 +0100 (CET) From: MOLNAR Ingo To: Alan Cox cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: TLB entries > 4kb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 582 Lines: 16 On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Alan Cox wrote: > > Has anybody ever looked into implementing that? What architectures besides > > MIPS could take advantage of such a feature? > > On the intel its a huge win to map PCI frame buffers using 4Mbyte pages, but > the kernel mmap really can't hack the idea right now. A pity cos if you > hack it in and make sure you never unmap it you get 2-3% better X performance i tried to hack this half a year ago, but had to find out that 4MB pages are only valid for kernel mappings, which means we'd have to make X a ring 0 process too ... -- mingo From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 12 13:59:02 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA213723 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:59:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA20756 for linux-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:55:42 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA20546 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:55:11 -0800 Received: from mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk (mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via SMTP id NAA28242 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:55:08 -0800 env-from (Dave@imladris.demon.co.uk) Received: from dwmw2.robinson.cam.ac.uk (imladris.demon.co.uk) [131.111.217.153] (exim) by mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0y36aE-0004Js-00; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:54:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (dwmw2.robinson.cam.ac.uk) [127.0.0.1] (dwmw2) by imladris.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #9) id 0y36YO-00042j-00; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:52:20 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: MOLNAR Ingo Cc: Alan Cox , ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: TLB entries > 4kb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:52:19 +0000 From: David Woodhouse Message-Id: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1086 Lines: 33 mingo@chiara.csoma.elte.hu said: > On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Alan Cox wrote: > > On the intel its a huge win to map PCI frame buffers using 4Mbyte pages, but > > the kernel mmap really can't hack the idea right now. A pity cos if you > > hack it in and make sure you never unmap it you get 2-3% better X > > performance > > i tried to hack this half a year ago, but had to find out that 4MB pages > are only valid for kernel mappings, which means we'd have to make X a ring > 0 process too ... --------------- alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk said: > The way its done is ok normally. I guess you need to make X over > Linux/RT call the rtlinux kernel to handle it. Note X _has_ to do > those global cli/sti's to meet hardware needs --------------- GGI (well, KGI) should be able to fix both of these, shouldn't it? ---- ---- ---- David Woodhouse, Robinson College, CB3 9AN, England. (+44) 0976 658355 Dave@imladris.demon.co.uk http://dwmw2.robinson.cam.ac.uk finger pgp@dwmw2.robinson.cam.ac.uk for PGP key. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 12 13:59:04 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA214278 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:59:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA21215 for linux-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:57:06 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA21201 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:57:05 -0800 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA29211 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:57:03 -0800 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA06027; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:56:20 GMT Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0y36d2-0005FsC; Thu, 12 Feb 98 21:57 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: TLB entries > 4kb To: Dave@imladris.demon.co.uk (David Woodhouse) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:57:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mingo@chiara.csoma.elte.hu, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "David Woodhouse" at Feb 12, 98 09:52:19 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 388 Lines: 9 > > The way its done is ok normally. I guess you need to make X over > > Linux/RT call the rtlinux kernel to handle it. Note X _has_ to do > > those global cli/sti's to meet hardware needs > > GGI (well, KGI) should be able to fix both of these, shouldn't it? Not for Linux/RT - the kernel cant do real cli/sti pairs. The stuff would have to become an RTLinux graphics setup call set From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 12 14:02:11 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA214053 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:02:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA22747 for linux-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:01:01 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA22732 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:00:58 -0800 Received: from chiara.csoma.elte.hu (chiara.csoma.elte.hu [157.181.71.18]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA00956 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:00:55 -0800 env-from (mingo@chiara.csoma.elte.hu) Received: from localhost (mingo@localhost) by chiara.csoma.elte.hu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05135; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:00:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:00:09 +0100 (CET) From: MOLNAR Ingo To: David Woodhouse cc: Alan Cox , ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: TLB entries > 4kb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 545 Lines: 16 On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, David Woodhouse wrote: > GGI (well, KGI) should be able to fix both of these, shouldn't it? the hw virtualization (cli/sti) thing yes, but the 4MB thing not, as GGILib lives in user-space, GGI does not spend too much time in the kernel, rendering is done in user-space. but i suspect things doing direct rendering like Quake could benefit from 4MB pages big time. For this we have to implement ring-0 processes though ... XFree86 is nicely accelerated (and the accelerator chip has no business with the CPU). -- mingo From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 12 23:54:04 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id XAA271046 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:54:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA02466 for linux-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:49:38 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA02449 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:49:32 -0800 Received: from thorgal.et.tudelft.nl (thorgal.et.tudelft.nl [130.161.40.91]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id XAA15608 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:49:30 -0800 env-from (bakker@thorgal.et.tudelft.nl) Received: from [130.161.115.44] (jdbakker.et.tudelft.nl [130.161.115.44]) by thorgal.et.tudelft.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09517; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:48:22 +0100 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199802121210.NAA25532@loki.gams.co.at> References: Your message of "Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:56:48 +0100." <19980212055648.54198@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:05:11 +0100 To: Michael Lausch From: "J.D. Bakker" Subject: Re: TLB entries > 4kb Cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 636 Lines: 17 >r> Has anybody ever looked into implementing that? What architectures besides >r> MIPS could take advantage of such a feature? > >The MPC860. We now have 8 MByte Page Table entries for the Kernel Address >Space and the Dual Ported RAM used to communicate with the CPM. ...and the IBM PPC403GC/GCX. Variable page sizes between 1k and 16M (in eight steps, variable per TLB IIRC). This MMU, "designed for embedded apps" according to IBM, also handles the process ID per TLB that Ralf mentioned on the MIPS. JDB (hunting for round tuits for that PPC board design) Jan-Derk Bakker Official Usenet Net.scum; see http://www.netscum.net From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Feb 16 13:50:28 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA196563 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:50:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA09974 for linux-list; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:47:11 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA09919 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:47:10 -0800 Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA21280 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:47:04 -0800 env-from (bizbuild@worldnet.att.net) From: bizbuild@worldnet.att.net Received: from mailhost.worldnet.att.net ([12.68.110.34]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id ABD29913 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:47:02 +0000 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 16:54:44 EST Subject: A Message Regarding Your Website Message-ID: <19980216214530.ABD29913@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3191 Lines: 31 Hi, I found you from visiting your website. 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From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Feb 17 07:24:36 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA351676 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:24:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA10619 for linux-list; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:24:02 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA10610 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:24:00 -0800 Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA15137 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:23:59 -0800 env-from (bizbuild@worldnet.att.net) Received: from default ([12.68.111.172]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AHQ2524 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:23:52 +0000 From: Tony Glavin To: Reply-To: mailhost.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net Subject: A Comment Regarding Your WebSite Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:23:52 +0000 Message-ID: <19980217151527.AHQ2524@default> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3275 Lines: 74 Hi, I found you from visiting your website. I noticed that you= were selling a product or a service. I have been helping= businesses ELIMINATE THE NEED TO FILE A TAX RETURN by setting up= the business as a Pure Trust. And I have copies of letters from= the IRS that document this position. A Pure Trust is based on Constitutuinal Law, and as such, is not= under the jurisdiction of any government agency, including the= IRS (We have a 20 page report to send you on this). Basically,= once you set up your business under a Pure Trust, you gain the= following advantages: * No need to file a business tax return or face an audit * Asset Protection from seizures, judgements, lawsuits,= bankruptcy and other disasters * No need to pay self employment taxes on business income * The ability to receive an annual gift of $10,000 each for you= and your spouse tax free * The ability to open up a checking account under the name of the= Trust A Pure Trust can replace a Corporation or a Partnership. It also= prevents you from getting sued personally for things your= business does. It also saves you a lot of time and money by not= having to figure out every deduction you are going to try to= take to reduce your taxes. If you have just $10,000 in business= profit, you will save $1500 in self employment taxes alone by= not having to file a return! As I said, we have copies of actual letters from the IRS= documenting this position. This is not some right-wing radical= anti-tax campaign. It is simply an education of your right to= contract under Article 10 of the US Constitution. We are also= not advocating not filing a personal tax return either, simply= using a loophole of the IRS to structure your business in a way= that they will agree has no tax reporting requirements. If you set up your business as a Pure Trust, there are certain= rules you must follow to maintain the purity of the trust. We= teach you all those in our package. 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If you are interested in this, please call our 24 hour voice mail= line at 215-552-8927. I would say send me an email, but someone= will probably get my account cancelled, even though I am not= sending out mass email. Please note that you are NOT on any= list. I simply found your web page and am sending you this= message. Thanks again for your attention. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 19 15:26:02 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA48255 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:26:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA03533 for linux-list; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:25:05 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA03519 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:25:03 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA03754 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:25:01 -0800 env-from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-26.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.26]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25538 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:24:58 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA10525; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:47:50 +0100 Message-ID: <19980219004750.26917@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:47:50 +0100 To: Tatsuya Nakamura Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Is Magnum 4000 supported? References: <19980218095700L.tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980218095700L.tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp>; from Tatsuya Nakamura on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 09:57:00AM +0900 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1004 Lines: 30 On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 09:57:00AM +0900, Tatsuya Nakamura wrote: > I try to use of Linux/MIPS on MIPS Magnum 4000 system. > > I tried some versions kernel, and some configuration. > > But, 2.1.XX kernel didn't show some message to console. > The 2.0.21 kernel could show message to console, but it didn't work > fine. > > 2.0.21 kernel stopped after ethernet information displaing, > and appear this message: > > Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00000004, epc == ffffffff8005ac5c > $0: ........ > > MIPS Magnum 4000 system does not tested? The development is actually being done by somebody who's using an OEM version of the Magnum 4000, the Olivetti M700-10. But that machine is 99.9% identical. Question: do you know if you have a Magnum 4000SC? The SC CPU version is quite a bit faster but the support for it is broken in the kernels you've tested. What resolution is you machine running at? Milo and the kernel only support the lowres mode (1024 x 768). Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 18 19:12:41 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA364395 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:12:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA16320 for linux-list; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:11:53 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA16315 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:11:52 -0800 Received: from terminator2.xtra.co.nz (terminator2.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id TAA08895 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:11:50 -0800 env-from (ratfink@xtra.co.nz) Received: from xtra.co.nz (xtra185187.xtra.co.nz [202.27.185.187]) by terminator2.xtra.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16837 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:11:11 +1300 (NZDT) Message-ID: <34EBA0DD.8A794A6D@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:02:53 +1300 From: Brendan Black Organization: Acess Denied... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.33 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: L4 microkernel on MIPS R4x00 freely available in source form Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-UNICODE-2-0-UTF-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 977 Lines: 23 I thought a few people might be interested in this, it is reported to run on R4600 Indy and some of you may know that Linux has been ported to the Intel version of L4 see http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/+AH4-disy/L4/ for the MIPS version info and http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/L4/ for the original L4 page sorry to those of you who either think this is off, or object to microkernels in general, but as the source code to this is available, I thought it may be useful regards -- Brendan Black - Network Engineer, Telecom Internet Services email: ratfink@xtra.co.nz (personal) phone: +-649 3555238 mob: +-6425 2752667 The word "spine" is, of course, an anagram of "penis". This is true in almost fifty percent of the languages of the Galaxy, and many people have attempted to explain why. Usually these explanations get bogged down in silly puns about "standing erect". -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 18 19:47:46 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA378479 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:47:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA23272 for linux-list; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:47:05 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA23262 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:47:03 -0800 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU (note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU [129.94.242.29]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via SMTP id TAA15676 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:47:01 -0800 env-from (conradp@cse.unsw.edu.au) Received: From haydn With LocalMail ; Thu, 19 Feb 98 14:46:30 +1100 From: "K." To: Brendan Black Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:46:30 +1100 (EST) X-Sender: conradp@haydn.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: L4 microkernel on MIPS R4x00 freely available in source form In-Reply-To: <34EBA0DD.8A794A6D@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 865 Lines: 24 On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Brendan Black wrote: > I thought a few people might be interested in this, it is reported to > run on R4600 Indy and some of you may know that Linux has been ported to > the Intel version of L4 > > see http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/+AH4-disy/L4/ for the MIPS version info http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~disy/L4/ We (myself and Andrew O'Brien) are working on the Linux port to L4/MIPS. We are currently working on a custom 4600 board (not on an Indy, but the L4 servers are compatible). L4/MIPS is subtly different to L4/Intel (different system calls) so don't expect the L4/Intel port to work out of the box. If anyone is interested in the Linux port, let us know. The L4/MIPS source (developed by Kevin Elphinstone) is available under GPL at the above address. Conrad Parker conradp@cse.unsw.edu.au Andrew O'Brien andrewo@cse.unsw.edu.au From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Feb 22 23:22:36 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id XAA280256 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:22:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAB21123 for linux-list; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:22:02 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA21116 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:22:01 -0800 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id XAA11249 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:22:00 -0800 env-from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from dredd.mcom.com (dredd.mcom.com [205.217.237.54]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05081 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.3]) by dredd.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAAAF4 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:21:59 -0800 Message-ID: <34F11DB9.C00393AF@netscape.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:56:57 -0800 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Package Reflectors X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; U; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: netscape-communicator-5.0-1.mips.rpm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 395 Lines: 10 (No, not yet...) The client build team has asked me to set up a Linux/Indy system for them to do some preliminary porting work on, so I'd like to make sure that we don't spend time working around previously-fixed bugs. Do people have patches (especiall libc patches!) lying around that they can offer up? Better still would be actual binaries, etc., but this beggar won't be a chooser! Mike From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Feb 23 06:18:52 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA292625 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 06:18:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA03783 for linux-list; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 06:15:51 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA03778 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 06:15:50 -0800 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id GAA24570 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 06:15:48 -0800 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA11442; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:15:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:15:47 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Mike Shaver cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: netscape-communicator-5.0-1.mips.rpm In-Reply-To: <34F11DB9.C00393AF@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 737 Lines: 18 On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Mike Shaver wrote: > The client build team has asked me to set up a Linux/Indy system for > them to do some preliminary porting work on, so I'd like to make sure > that we don't spend time working around previously-fixed bugs. Do > people have patches (especiall libc patches!) lying around that they can > offer up? Better still would be actual binaries, etc., but this beggar > won't be a chooser! I believe the binaries you should use are: - glibc 2.0.6 RPMs from ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/redhat/redhat-4.9.1/RPMS/mips-linux/* - all the other RPMs from ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/redhat/redhat-5.0/RPMS/mips-linux/* And you're welcome to use alex3 if you're having problems booting up. :) - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Feb 23 11:15:15 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA309107 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:15:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA24521 for linux-list; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:13:27 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA24504 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:13:25 -0800 Received: from socsci.auc.dk (bentley.socsci.auc.dk [130.225.60.48]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA12059 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:13:23 -0800 env-from (mkp@socsci.auc.dk) Received: from jaguar.socsci.auc.dk (mkp@jaguar.socsci.auc.dk [130.225.60.49]) by socsci.auc.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03421; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:13:21 +0100 Received: (from mkp@localhost) by jaguar.socsci.auc.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16307; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:11:26 +0100 To: ariel@sgi.com Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux/SGI Mirror Organization: Computing Dept. 1&2, Aalborg University X-Face: ({%T;F${m<}wr[*K`gT|vs1m&kDfl(^PsxTnmb)FL4!_$=dj|NG~.SNrq-qxsT]}i>DP.("XEmucViR>9iEl?,!C1 2p,ST@1)zEW+Kb'iJ,c6~O`BWjCoY42jmV From: Martin Kasper Petersen Date: 23 Feb 1998 20:11:26 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.65/XEmacs 19.15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 402 Lines: 15 Quite a few months has passed since I first promised you a mirror of the Linux/SGI-stuff on SunSITE Denmark. I am pleased to announce that our StorageArray is back from repairs (finally!) and we now mirror linus at ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/pub/os/linux/mips/sgi/ Enjoy, Martin -- Martin Kasper Petersen BOFH, IC1&2, Aalborg University, DK mailto:mkp@SunSITE.auc.dk http://www.socsci.auc.dk/~mkp/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Feb 24 13:06:15 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA442277 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:06:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA26960 for linux-list; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:04:37 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA26950 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:04:35 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA21165 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:04:33 -0800 env-from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-07.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.7]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06627 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:04:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA00497; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:30:57 +0100 Message-ID: <19980224073056.35213@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:30:56 +0100 To: Mike Shaver Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: netscape-communicator-5.0-1.mips.rpm References: <34F11DB9.C00393AF@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <34F11DB9.C00393AF@netscape.com>; from Mike Shaver on Sun, Feb 22, 1998 at 10:56:57PM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 531 Lines: 14 On Sun, Feb 22, 1998 at 10:56:57PM -0800, Mike Shaver wrote: > (No, not yet...) > > The client build team has asked me to set up a Linux/Indy system for > them to do some preliminary porting work on, so I'd like to make sure > that we don't spend time working around previously-fixed bugs. Do > people have patches (especiall libc patches!) lying around that they can > offer up? Better still would be actual binaries, etc., but this beggar > won't be a chooser! Can we arrange for a second, little endian version ?-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 25 12:57:21 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA497299 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA04830 for linux-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:55:55 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA04819 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:55:54 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA25537 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:55:53 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup178-4-45.swipnet.se [130.244.178.237]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA12103 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:01:30 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:57:43 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: installation problem. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1454 Lines: 39 Hello, sorry that I'm asking.. don't know if this is a support mailing list. I have been trying to install linux on my indy today. First I tried to use the ext2 partition, /dev/sdb1, with no success. THe kernel says: sdb : sector size 0 reperted, assuming 512. SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 1 [0 MB] [0.0 GB] I did mke2fs as the documentation told me and that one succeded. How do I setup the partittion table? Well. I tested NFS instead and that worked atleast better. I could mount root filesystem over nfs. But here is some strange errors I get: VFS: Mounted root(nfs filesystem). Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00010005, epc == 8804d248, ra == 8804d514 Warning: bad magic number for tty struct (04:00) in release_dev When I press enter, I get this: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00000000, epc == 880c8730, ra == 880c8700 Aiee, killing interrupt handler And after that is the computer (ofcourse) absolutely dead. I'm using kernel 2.1.55 (from linux.sgi.com). Are there any newer versions of the kernel (precompiled)? Do you recommend me to download the crosscompile package and compile 2.1.88? Or, can't someone send me a better kernel, or tell me where to get it (support for IRIX file system doesn't matter)? Best regards, Ulf Carlsson. ----------------------------------------- - grimsy - http://grimsy.ml.org - ----------------------------------------- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 25 13:32:22 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA489558 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:32:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA16860 for linux-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:31:31 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA16849 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:31:29 -0800 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA07241 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:31:23 -0800 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA02754; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:31:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:31:18 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Ulf Carlsson cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 711 Lines: 22 On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > > Hello, sorry that I'm asking.. don't know if this is a support mailing > list. > I have been trying to install linux on my indy today. First I tried to use > the ext2 partition, /dev/sdb1, with no success. THe kernel says: > > sdb : sector size 0 reperted, assuming 512. > SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 1 [0 MB] [0.0 GB] Hm. The 0 MB is what's worrisome, since the kernel doesn't know what kind of disk you have. Can you partition and format that disk properly under Irix? I'd certainly suggest you use a different kernel. Uh, I think there's a .82 kernel kicking around on ftp.linux.sgi.com. If not, I'll make sure there is. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 25 13:50:33 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA498641 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:50:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA24220 for linux-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:50:01 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA24211 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:49:59 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA13684 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:49:58 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup120-4-47.swipnet.se [130.244.120.239]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA12720; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:55:23 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:51:24 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: Alex deVries cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1321 Lines: 34 On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alex deVries wrote: > > sdb : sector size 0 reperted, assuming 512. > > SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 1 [0 MB] [0.0 GB] > > Hm. The 0 MB is what's worrisome, since the kernel doesn't know what kind > of disk you have. Can you partition and format that disk properly under > Irix? Hmm.. I have dropped the harddrive in the floor once :) Well, I get the same error message from the kernel with sda. (those lines are identical.. the sda error message is just above the sdb's). Can't you please tell me how to partition and format a disk in irix? I have no real experience of irix, got this indy last week. But I have ofcourse been using linux for a long time :) I could use mke2fs from irix, no errer messages at all. That proves at least that the harddrive atleast is alive and kicking. > I'd certainly suggest you use a different kernel. Uh, I think there's a > .82 kernel kicking around on ftp.linux.sgi.com. If not, I'll make sure > there is. I think I'll try the linux-magnum thing. Do you know what this is? I can't find any information about it, but it seems to be the latest version. Maybe this new version solves all my problems. ----------------------------------------- - grimsy - http://grimsy.ml.org - ----------------------------------------- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 25 13:54:43 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA498499 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:54:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA25946 for linux-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:54:19 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA25925 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:54:17 -0800 Received: from godzilla.taec.com (godzilla.taec.com [204.162.152.130]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via SMTP id NAA15017 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:54:16 -0800 env-from (sasahm@taec.toshiba.com) Received: from mailint.taec.com by godzilla.taec.com via smtpd (for SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) with SMTP; 25 Feb 1998 21:54:16 UT Received: from oita (oita.taec.com [198.232.207.41]) by sol-x86-1.taec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28430 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:54:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802252154.NAA28430@sol-x86-1.taec.com> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:31:18 -0500 (EST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.68 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:54:16 -0800 From: Masashi Sasahara/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOns4NkA1O0obKEI=?= Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 496 Lines: 13 > I'd certainly suggest you use a different kernel. Uh, I think there's a > .82 kernel kicking around on ftp.linux.sgi.com. If not, I'll make sure > there is. I'm using pre-compiled .72 kernel in ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test, which is working fine on my Irix box. However I couldn't find .82. BTW, How can I get the kernel source for Linux/SGI? Do I need to get from CVS tree? I tried to compile the source .72 but, at least, include/asm-mips is not synchronized. -Masashi Sasahara From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 25 14:14:58 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA498124 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:14:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA03103 for linux-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:13:32 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA03097 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:13:30 -0800 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA21854 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:13:29 -0800 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA04588; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:13:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Masashi Sasahara/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOns4NkA1O0obKEI=?= cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: <199802252154.NAA28430@sol-x86-1.taec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 719 Lines: 20 On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Masashi Sasahara/[ISO-2022-JP] 笹原正司 wrote: > > I'd certainly suggest you use a different kernel. Uh, I think there's a > > .82 kernel kicking around on ftp.linux.sgi.com. If not, I'll make sure > > there is. > I'm using pre-compiled .72 kernel in > ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test, which is working fine on my > Irix box. However I couldn't find .82. Aiyee. I meant 72, not 82. I was working on upversioning it to 82 at one point but never finished. > BTW, How can I get the kernel source for Linux/SGI? Do I need > to get from CVS tree? I tried to compile the source .72 but, at > least, include/asm-mips is not synchronized. Yup, you need to get it from the CVS. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 25 14:25:26 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA500005 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:25:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA06632 for linux-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:24:02 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA06625 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:24:00 -0800 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA24831 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:24:00 -0800 env-from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from dredd.mcom.com (dredd.mcom.com [205.217.237.54]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26556 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.32.37]) by dredd.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAA3A43; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:23:58 -0800 Message-ID: <34F499FE.A4D60224@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:23:58 -0800 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Package Reflectors X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sasahm@taec.toshiba.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: <199802252154.NAA28430@sol-x86-1.taec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 350 Lines: 12 Masashi Sasahara/笹原正司 wrote: > BTW, How can I get the kernel source for Linux/SGI? Do I need > to get from CVS tree? I tried to compile the source .72 but, at > least, include/asm-mips is not synchronized. I've done an export of the current tree to ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test/kernel-980225.tar.gz . Mike -- 954380.35 933158.02 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 25 14:52:26 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA499711 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:52:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA18214 for linux-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:51:03 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA18198 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:51:00 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA03335 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:50:59 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup120-4-47.swipnet.se [130.244.120.239]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA13172; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:56:36 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:52:47 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: Mike Shaver cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: <34F499FE.A4D60224@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 395 Lines: 12 On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Mike Shaver wrote: > I've done an export of the current tree to > ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test/kernel-980225.tar.gz . Great, but can't someone put a precompiled _new_ kernel somewhere on ftp.linux.sgi.com since everyone can't crosscompile? ----------------------------------------- - grimsy - http://grimsy.ml.org - ----------------------------------------- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 25 14:58:23 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA500159 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:58:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA20594 for linux-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:57:43 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA20587 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:57:41 -0800 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA05415 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:57:41 -0800 env-from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from dredd.mcom.com (dredd.mcom.com [205.217.237.54]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00233 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.32.37]) by dredd.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAA5E9F; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:57:38 -0800 Message-ID: <34F4A1E2.4E6E6A28@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:57:38 -0800 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Package Reflectors X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulf Carlsson CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 385 Lines: 12 Ulf Carlsson wrote: > Great, but can't someone put a precompiled _new_ kernel somewhere on > ftp.linux.sgi.com since everyone can't crosscompile? My xcompiler setup got removed to make space for the sanitized communicator source free, but I'll clear that out and reinstall it later today. In the meantime, could someone else build that tarball? Alex? Mike -- 957293.37 935819.57 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 25 15:19:09 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA499458 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:19:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA28991 for linux-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:18:05 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA28978 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:18:03 -0800 Received: from godzilla.taec.com (godzilla.taec.com [204.162.152.130]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via SMTP id PAA12360 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:18:02 -0800 env-from (sasahm@taec.toshiba.com) Received: from mailint.taec.com by godzilla.taec.com via smtpd (for SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) with SMTP; 25 Feb 1998 23:18:02 UT Received: from oita (oita.taec.com [198.232.207.41]) by sol-x86-1.taec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01436 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:18:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802252318.PAA01436@sol-x86-1.taec.com> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:52:47 +0100 (CET)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.68 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:18:02 -0800 From: Masashi Sasahara/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOns4NkA1O0obKEI=?= Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 409 Lines: 15 > > I've done an export of the current tree to > > ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test/kernel-980225.tar.gz . Great, Great! Thank you very muxh, Mike. I really appreciate your quick response. > Great, but can't someone put a precompiled _new_ kernel somewhere on > ftp.linux.sgi.com since everyone can't crosscompile? Isn't it the one I got? (I mean, vmlinux-indy-2.1.72.tar.gz) Tks, -Masashi Sasahara From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 25 15:19:53 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA495907 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:19:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA29610 for linux-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:19:26 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA29560 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:19:21 -0800 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA12722 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:19:17 -0800 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA08467; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:19:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:19:17 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Mike Shaver cc: Ulf Carlsson , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: <34F4A1E2.4E6E6A28@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 773 Lines: 23 On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Mike Shaver wrote: > Ulf Carlsson wrote: > > Great, but can't someone put a precompiled _new_ kernel somewhere on > > ftp.linux.sgi.com since everyone can't crosscompile? > My xcompiler setup got removed to make space for the sanitized > communicator source free, but I'll clear that out and reinstall it later > today. In the meantime, could someone else build that tarball? Alex? I'm not going to get into the xcompiler unless I have to, and I don't. But, there are .72 binaries in: ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test/ There's two different onces; vmlinux-indy-2.1.72.tar.gz for machines with an scache; vmlinux-indy-noL2-2.1.72.tar.gz for those without L2. Uh, I *think* they work. If they don't let me know and I'll compile one. - alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Feb 25 19:42:16 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA539845 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:42:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA25535 for linux-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:41:33 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA25524 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:41:31 -0800 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id TAA24377 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:41:30 -0800 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA19268; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:41:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:41:34 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Ulf Carlsson cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1083 Lines: 30 On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alex deVries wrote: > > > sdb : sector size 0 reperted, assuming 512. > > > SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 1 [0 MB] [0.0 GB] > > Hm. The 0 MB is what's worrisome, since the kernel doesn't know what kind > > of disk you have. Can you partition and format that disk properly under > > Irix? > > Hmm.. I have dropped the harddrive in the floor once :) Who hasn't? :) > Well, I get the same error message from the kernel with sda. (those lines > are identical.. the sda error message is just above the sdb's). Yup. It sounds like it's a SCSI driver problem. Are you getting the error message now with .72? > Can't you please tell me how to partition and format a disk in irix? I > have no real experience of irix, got this indy last week. But I > have ofcourse been using linux for a long time :) You need to use fx, or that cutesy graphical tool that's on the menus. NB: the latest release on ftp.linux.sgi.com is 2.1.72, not 2.1.82 as I'd mentioned earlier. Too many numbers... - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 00:30:56 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id AAA604882 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:30:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA06935 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:30:22 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA06919 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:30:18 -0800 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id AAA18430 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:30:17 -0800 env-from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from dredd.mcom.com (dredd.mcom.com [205.217.237.54]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26593 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.3]) by dredd.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAA284C; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:30:13 -0800 Message-ID: <34F50934.7C766D2C@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:18:28 -0800 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Package Reflectors X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; U; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulf Carlsson CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 751 Lines: 19 Ulf Carlsson wrote: > It's also very strange that the kernel doesn't detect my scsi harddrives > correctly (I have reported these error messages earlier). I tested fx, and > fx detected them correctly. I get the same error with my orginal sgi > harddrive which obviously works, since irix doesn't have any problems with > it. Oh...is that drive SCSI id 7? I had problems with one of my drives (which was happy under IRIX) until I changed the id to something other than 7. > I'll take a look in the kernel source and try to figure out what's causing > that kernel paging error. You want to run mips-linux-objdump to get a function+offset (or, if that kernel was compiled -g, line number info) for the fault, and then we can try to debug it. Mike From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 00:07:59 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id AAA607287 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:07:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA01895 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:07:20 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA01884 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:07:18 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id AAA15054 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:07:17 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup118-3-28.swipnet.se [130.244.118.156]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA15731 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:13:07 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:09:06 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1136 Lines: 30 > But, there are .72 binaries in: > ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test/ Sorry it's my fault (my big fool). Assumed all the .tar.gz files were sources, forgot checking the sizes. Well, the .72 binary didn't boot at all. I got "black screen". But .67 gets atleast so far that it mounts my root filesystem (over nfs). But directly after that I recieve these errors (same as under .55, but this kernel prints the message more than one time): Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 000013f0, epc == 8803ff14, ra == 88040680 Aiee, killing interrupt handler That message is printed out about ten times with different values for epc and ra and virtual address. Do you have any idea what's causing this mess? It's also very strange that the kernel doesn't detect my scsi harddrives correctly (I have reported these error messages earlier). I tested fx, and fx detected them correctly. I get the same error with my orginal sgi harddrive which obviously works, since irix doesn't have any problems with it. I'll take a look in the kernel source and try to figure out what's causing that kernel paging error. /Ulf Carlsson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 00:59:55 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id AAA605469 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:59:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA09463 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:59:19 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA09452 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:59:18 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id AAA23069 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:59:17 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup148-2-21.swipnet.se [130.244.148.85]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA16575; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:04:59 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:00:54 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: Mike Shaver cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: <34F50934.7C766D2C@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1093 Lines: 30 On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Mike Shaver wrote: > Ulf Carlsson wrote: > > It's also very strange that the kernel doesn't detect my scsi harddrives > > correctly (I have reported these error messages earlier). I tested fx, and > > fx detected them correctly. I get the same error with my orginal sgi > > harddrive which obviously works, since irix doesn't have any problems with > > it. > > Oh...is that drive SCSI id 7? I had problems with one of my drives > (which was happy under IRIX) until I changed the id to something other > than 7. No, one drive is at id 4 and one at id 6. Have I forgot to do something? I used the Disk Manager from the menu to partition my scsi drive. Then I used mke2fs /dev/dsk/dks0d6s7. Is that the corrected procedure? > > I'll take a look in the kernel source and try to figure out what's causing > > that kernel paging error. > > You want to run mips-linux-objdump to get a function+offset (or, if that > kernel was compiled -g, line number info) for the fault, and then we can > try to debug it. Is mips-linux-objdump in the binutils package? /Ulf Carlsson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 06:10:50 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA346577 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:10:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA06636 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:10:04 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA06631 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:10:02 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id GAA10213 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:10:01 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup179-2-3.swipnet.se [130.244.179.67]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA18370 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:45:29 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:41:26 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 799 Lines: 29 Hello again. I'm getting pretty tired. No progress at all. Is my configuration special in any way? System: IP22 Processor: 100 Mhz R4000, with FPU Primary I-cache size: 8 kbytes Primary d-cache size: 8 kbytes Secondary cache size: 1024 Kbytes Memory size: 32 Mbytes Graphics: Indy 8-bit SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(4) SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(6) Are not all indys almost identical? It's very strange IMO that .72 hangs before it prints anything on the screen. I think I've tested almost everything by now. Those harddrive problems don't matter right now. It's possible to run over nfs so.. it's the kernel paging error which is the problem. I am not blaming you SGI/Linux developers for creating a bad system in any way. It would have been really nice if it worked :) What will I do? /Ulf Carlsson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 05:55:50 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id FAA634971 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:55:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA03189 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:55:05 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA03178 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:55:03 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id FAA04688 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:55:01 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup147-1-1.swipnet.se [130.244.147.1]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA18879 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:11:24 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:07:20 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1089 Lines: 33 Hello again. I'm getting pretty tired. No progress at all. Is my configuration special in any way? System: IP22 Processor: 100 Mhz R4000, with FPU Primary I-cache size: 8 kbytes Primary d-cache size: 8 kbytes Secondary cache size: 1024 Kbytes Memory size: 32 Mbytes Graphics: Indy 8-bit SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(4) SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(6) Are not all indys almost identical? It's very strange IMO that .72 hangs before it prints anything on the screen. I think I've tested almost everything by now. Those harddrive problems don't matter right now. It's possible to run over nfs so.. it's the kernel paging error which is the problem. I think this error might be caused by my pc, because I don't get that error when the network is down or the pc is shut down, but I can't boot when the pc is down because I'm using nfs root system. Maybe the pc sends out signals on the network which sgi linux can't handle (just a thought). I am not blaming you SGI/Linux developers for creating a bad system in any way. It would have been really nice if it worked :) What will I do? /Ulf Carlsson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 07:38:43 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA631139 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:38:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA23591 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:38:09 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA23586 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:38:08 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA02465 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:38:06 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup162-4-59.swipnet.se [130.244.162.251]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA23670; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:44:04 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:39:54 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: Mike Shaver cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: <34F50934.7C766D2C@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 184 Lines: 9 On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Mike Shaver wrote: > Oh...is that drive SCSI id 7? They were 4 (irix) and 6 (linux) before, but I've changed them to 2 and 5 now. No difference. /Ulf Carlsson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 09:35:16 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA561607 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:35:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA24418 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:34:10 -0800 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA24371; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:34:05 -0800 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA25332; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:34:05 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:34:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199802261734.JAA25332@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Ulf Carlsson Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1699 Lines: 47 Ulf Carlsson writes: > Hello again. > > I'm getting pretty tired. No progress at all. Is my configuration special > in any way? > > System: IP22 > Processor: 100 Mhz R4000, with FPU > Primary I-cache size: 8 kbytes > Primary d-cache size: 8 kbytes > Secondary cache size: 1024 Kbytes > Memory size: 32 Mbytes > Graphics: Indy 8-bit > SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(4) > SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(6) > > Are not all indys almost identical? It's very strange IMO that .72 hangs > before it prints anything on the screen. I think I've tested almost > everything by now. ... No, there are many different CPU types for the Indy, in order of appearance: R4000PC, 100 MHZ R4000SC, 100 MHZ R4600PC, 100 and 133 MHZ R4400SC, 150 and 200 MHZ R4600SC, 133 MHZ R5000PC, 150 and 180 MHZ R5000SC, 180 MHZ In the above, "PC" means that there is no secondary cache and "SC" means that there is. The R4000 and R4400 are functionally very similar, except for cache size. The R4600 and R5000 are also similar, but with a very different cache organization from the R4000 and R4400. Various revision of the processors (and more than one revision was shipped for each processor) have different errata, so the kernel must work around various processor errata according to the processor type and revision. As I understand it, the currently checked-in source must be recompiled to provide R4600/R5000 PC and SC versions for Indy, and those versions may not be fully tested on all R4000 and R4400 revisions. In the not distant future, a single kernel will likely support all the processors, as does the IRIX kernel, but that is more work than just selecting the processor type at compile time. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 13:48:02 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA638643 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:48:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA25551 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:46:07 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA25531 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:46:05 -0800 Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA08382 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:46:04 -0800 env-from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:46:01 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0y8B7l-002OuHC; Thu, 26 Feb 98 22:45 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA01653; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:42:54 +0100 Message-ID: <19980226224253.20580@alpha.franken.de> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:42:53 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: "William J. Earl" Cc: Ulf Carlsson , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: <199802261734.JAA25332@fir.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <199802261734.JAA25332@fir.engr.sgi.com>; from William J. Earl on Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:34:05AM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 829 Lines: 18 > As I understand it, the currently checked-in source must be recompiled > to provide R4600/R5000 PC and SC versions for Indy, and those versions > may not be fully tested on all R4000 and R4400 revisions. In the not > distant future, a single kernel will likely support all the processors, > as does the IRIX kernel, but that is more work than just selecting > the processor type at compile time. the R4000PC part of the .72 current works at least on my Magnum clone. But I've got an error report, that my kernel doesn't work on a Magnum with a R4000SC. So I guess it's really related to the processor handling in the kernel. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 13:57:21 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA649816 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:57:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA00189 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:56:42 -0800 Received: from soyuz.wellington.sgi.com (soyuz.wellington.sgi.com [134.14.64.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA00169 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:56:38 -0800 Received: from wellington.sgi.com by soyuz.wellington.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI) id KAA28856; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:53:34 +1300 Message-ID: <34F5E45E.3C8881C0@wellington.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:53:34 +1300 From: Alistair Lambie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5-ALPHA-1274392335 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William J. Earl" CC: Ulf Carlsson , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: <199802261734.JAA25332@fir.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2244 Lines: 59 William J. Earl wrote: > > Ulf Carlsson writes: > > Hello again. > > > > I'm getting pretty tired. No progress at all. Is my configuration special > > in any way? > > > > System: IP22 > > Processor: 100 Mhz R4000, with FPU > > Primary I-cache size: 8 kbytes > > Primary d-cache size: 8 kbytes > > Secondary cache size: 1024 Kbytes > > Memory size: 32 Mbytes > > Graphics: Indy 8-bit > > SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(4) > > SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(6) > > > > Are not all indys almost identical? It's very strange IMO that .72 hangs > > before it prints anything on the screen. I think I've tested almost > > everything by now. > ... > Wouldn't be a pre newport graphics machine would it? Has this been tried? Just a thought. Cheers, Alistair > No, there are many different CPU types for the Indy, in order > of appearance: > > R4000PC, 100 MHZ > R4000SC, 100 MHZ > R4600PC, 100 and 133 MHZ > R4400SC, 150 and 200 MHZ > R4600SC, 133 MHZ > R5000PC, 150 and 180 MHZ > R5000SC, 180 MHZ > > In the above, "PC" means that there is no secondary cache and "SC" > means that there is. The R4000 and R4400 are functionally very similar, except > for cache size. The R4600 and R5000 are also similar, but with > a very different cache organization from the R4000 and R4400. Various > revision of the processors (and more than one revision was shipped > for each processor) have different errata, so the kernel must work around > various processor errata according to the processor type and revision. > As I understand it, the currently checked-in source must be recompiled > to provide R4600/R5000 PC and SC versions for Indy, and those versions > may not be fully tested on all R4000 and R4400 revisions. In the not > distant future, a single kernel will likely support all the processors, > as does the IRIX kernel, but that is more work than just selecting > the processor type at compile time. -- Alistair Lambie alambie@wellington.sgi.com Silicon Graphics New Zealand SGI Voicemail: 2431455 Level 5, Cigna House, Ph: +64-4-494 6325 40 Mercer St, Wellington, NZ Fax: +64-4-494 6321 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 14:25:48 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA555912 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:25:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA09863 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:24:40 -0800 Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA09852; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:24:38 -0800 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA26260; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:24:38 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:24:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199802262224.OAA26260@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Alistair Lambie Cc: "William J. Earl" , Ulf Carlsson , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: <34F5E45E.3C8881C0@wellington.sgi.com> References: <199802261734.JAA25332@fir.engr.sgi.com> <34F5E45E.3C8881C0@wellington.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 955 Lines: 32 Alistair Lambie writes: > William J. Earl wrote: > > > > Ulf Carlsson writes: > > > Hello again. > > > > > > I'm getting pretty tired. No progress at all. Is my configuration special > > > in any way? > > > > > > System: IP22 > > > Processor: 100 Mhz R4000, with FPU > > > Primary I-cache size: 8 kbytes > > > Primary d-cache size: 8 kbytes > > > Secondary cache size: 1024 Kbytes > > > Memory size: 32 Mbytes > > > Graphics: Indy 8-bit > > > SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(4) > > > SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(6) > > > > > > Are not all indys almost identical? It's very strange IMO that .72 hangs > > > before it prints anything on the screen. I think I've tested almost > > > everything by now. > > ... > > > > Wouldn't be a pre newport graphics machine would it? Has this been tried? Just > a thought. ... No, "Graphics: Indy 8-bit" is Newport. Is this really the "SC" kernel for Indy, not the "PC" kernel? From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 14:58:28 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA642297 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:58:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA21227 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:56:31 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA21214 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:56:29 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA02774 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:56:27 -0800 env-from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-29.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.29]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26496 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:56:24 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA04230; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:53:00 +0100 Message-ID: <19980226235300.23817@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:53:00 +0100 To: Ulf Carlsson Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Ulf Carlsson on Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 11:41:26AM +0100 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 534 Lines: 20 On Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 11:41:26AM +0100, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > Hello again. > > I'm getting pretty tired. No progress at all. Is my configuration special > in any way? > > System: IP22 > Processor: 100 Mhz R4000, with FPU > Primary I-cache size: 8 kbytes > Primary d-cache size: 8 kbytes > Secondary cache size: 1024 Kbytes So this must be a R4000SC CPU. The CPU support code for it is buggy, that's why it it's working. Fixes probably coming next week; as think are looking I'll have a hell lot of time again by then. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Feb 26 14:59:44 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA657401 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:59:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA22294 for linux-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:59:21 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA22286; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:59:19 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA03623; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:59:17 -0800 env-from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-29.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.29]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26645; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:59:15 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA04237; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:56:17 +0100 Message-ID: <19980226235617.55802@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:56:17 +0100 To: "William J. Earl" Cc: Ulf Carlsson , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: <199802261734.JAA25332@fir.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199802261734.JAA25332@fir.engr.sgi.com>; from William J. Earl on Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:34:05AM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1192 Lines: 24 On Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:34:05AM -0800, William J. Earl wrote: > for cache size. The R4600 and R5000 are also similar, but with > a very different cache organization from the R4000 and R4400. Various > revision of the processors (and more than one revision was shipped > for each processor) have different errata, so the kernel must work around > various processor errata according to the processor type and revision. In case of the R4000 we still have some work to do with respect to the errata stuff. > As I understand it, the currently checked-in source must be recompiled > to provide R4600/R5000 PC and SC versions for Indy, and those versions > may not be fully tested on all R4000 and R4400 revisions. In the not > distant future, a single kernel will likely support all the processors, > as does the IRIX kernel, but that is more work than just selecting > the processor type at compile time. The code in the CVS archive is plain buggy for certain configurations. Given the number of possible configurations possible everything else but a single kernel binary would be braindead. Especially because the price we have to pay for a single Indy binary isn't that high. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 05:46:38 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id FAA695159 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:46:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA29911 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:46:08 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA29894 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:46:06 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id FAA25711 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:46:05 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup174-3-17.swipnet.se [130.244.174.145]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA04018; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:52:25 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:47:48 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: <19980226235300.23817@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1000 Lines: 29 On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > System: IP22 > > Processor: 100 Mhz R4000, with FPU > > Primary I-cache size: 8 kbytes > > Primary d-cache size: 8 kbytes > > Secondary cache size: 1024 Kbytes > > So this must be a R4000SC CPU. The CPU support code for it is buggy, that's > why it it's working. It's _not_ working. And I would like to know why it isn't working. (ok, I understand what you mean, sorry :) Well, this is not a big problem for me anyway. The .68 kernel works. The main problem is the one with the harddrives (detecting them, but with the size of 0Mb, and the kernel can't read the partition tables), and the one with the kernel paging request it can't handle. Any ideas? > Fixes probably coming next week; as think are looking I'll have a hell lot > of time again by then. Great, next week.. (feels like one year). /Ulf Carlsson. ----------------------------------------- - grimsy - http://grimsy.ml.org - ----------------------------------------- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 05:51:06 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id FAA550312 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:51:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA00515 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:50:43 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA00511; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:50:42 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id FAA26586; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:50:40 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup174-3-17.swipnet.se [130.244.174.145]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA04092; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:57:01 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:52:25 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: Alistair Lambie cc: "William J. Earl" , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: <34F5E45E.3C8881C0@wellington.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 980 Lines: 30 On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Alistair Lambie wrote: > William J. Earl wrote: > > > System: IP22 > > > Processor: 100 Mhz R4000, with FPU > > > Primary I-cache size: 8 kbytes > > > Primary d-cache size: 8 kbytes > > > Secondary cache size: 1024 Kbytes > > > Memory size: 32 Mbytes > > > Graphics: Indy 8-bit > > > SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(4) > > > SCSI Disk: scsi(0)disk(6) > > > > > > Are not all indys almost identical? It's very strange IMO that .72 hangs > > > before it prints anything on the screen. I think I've tested almost > > > everything by now. > > Wouldn't be a pre newport graphics machine would it? Has this been tried? Just > a thought. Pre newport, what's that? Do you mean that I'm the only one with this configuration trying to run SGI/Linux, darn... thought this was one of the most common configurations of the Indy. /ulf ----------------------------------------- - grimsy - http://grimsy.ml.org - ----------------------------------------- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 15:22:26 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA49057 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:22:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA22307 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:20:37 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA22302 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:20:35 -0800 Received: from uni-koblenz.de (praia.bofh.de [195.78.185.18]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA26129 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:20:27 -0800 env-from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA01455; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:25:54 +0100 Message-ID: <19980227192553.12373@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:25:53 +0100 To: Ulf Carlsson Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: <19980226235300.23817@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Ulf Carlsson on Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 02:47:48PM +0100 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1318 Lines: 37 On Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 02:47:48PM +0100, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > > > System: IP22 > > > Processor: 100 Mhz R4000, with FPU > > > Primary I-cache size: 8 kbytes > > > Primary d-cache size: 8 kbytes > > > Secondary cache size: 1024 Kbytes > > > > So this must be a R4000SC CPU. The CPU support code for it is buggy, that's > > why it it's working. > > It's _not_ working. And I would like to know why it isn't working. (ok, I The exact bug is that one of the cache maintenance routines in include/asm-mips/r4kcache.h uses there wrong cachop for flushing the cache. > understand what you mean, sorry :) Well, this is not a big problem for me > anyway. The .68 kernel works. The main problem is the one with the .68 isn't supposed to work. The memory is laid out such that the buggy cache routine has a bit less of effect. > harddrives (detecting them, but with the size of 0Mb, and the kernel can't > read the partition tables), and the one with the kernel paging request it > can't handle. Any ideas? Should all be the cache effect. > > Fixes probably coming next week; as think are looking I'll have a hell lot > > of time again by then. > > Great, next week.. (feels like one year). Next week starts tonite. Linux/MIPS industries going back online ... Ralf (Getting coffee and milk ...) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 12:25:39 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA26776 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:25:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA23845 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:24:37 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA22567; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:21:27 -0800 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id MAA29821; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:21:23 -0800 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA29758; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:20:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:20:55 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Ulf Carlsson cc: Alistair Lambie , "William J. Earl" , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1057 Lines: 26 On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Alistair Lambie wrote: > > William J. Earl wrote: > > > > Are not all indys almost identical? It's very strange IMO that .72 hangs > > > > before it prints anything on the screen. I think I've tested almost > > > > everything by now. Ah, I think I know the problem. There are some problems with the .72 make depend which screws up the console. The version that's uploaded may not have the console compiled in properly. That should be clear from the config file that' sin the tar.gz file. I could quite easily get you a binary that does have it compiled in. If I don't have it on linus by tomorrow, pester me. Been there, done that. I might think about doing the update to .89, but I don't want to try to do what anybody else is doing, since 10 Alex hours = 1 Ralf hour. But, my other projects with GTK and RPM are kind of at a standstill because of waiting for others to release components and sorting out endless loops of design logic. So, maybe I'll take a stab at it. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 15:42:20 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA50699 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:42:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA00176 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:40:28 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA00155 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:40:26 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA13416 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:40:25 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup162-3-31.swipnet.se [130.244.162.159]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA11048; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:47:04 GMT Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:42:15 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: <19980227192553.12373@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1533 Lines: 43 On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > The exact bug is that one of the cache maintenance routines in > include/asm-mips/r4kcache.h uses there wrong cachop for flushing the > cache. Oh. > > understand what you mean, sorry :) Well, this is not a big problem for me > > anyway. The .68 kernel works. The main problem is the one with the > > .68 isn't supposed to work. The memory is laid out such that the buggy > cache routine has a bit less of effect. Hm, ok. But why is .68 on ftp.linux.sgi.com if it doesn't work, or isn't even supposed to work? > > harddrives (detecting them, but with the size of 0Mb, and the kernel can't > > read the partition tables), and the one with the kernel paging request it > > can't handle. Any ideas? > > Should all be the cache effect. Doesn't it work for your? I have some questions concerning the MIPS/Linux project. I think the FAQ on the homepage is obsolete (sorry, you must have answered these questions 100 times by now :) Is it possible to use MIPS/Linux yet, or is it too buggy? How much of the X code is done? Are any of the SGI special devices, such as the cool functions on the video card supported yet? Which kernel runs linux.sgi.com (this one seems to be quite stable). Maybe I'll join the project (if you allow me to). I don't know if I have the time right now, quite busy programming for a demo project. /Ulf Carlsson ----------------------------------------- - grimsy - http://grimsy.ml.org - ----------------------------------------- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 15:58:47 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA53271 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:58:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA05310 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:58:10 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA05284 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:58:05 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA21907 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:58:04 -0800 env-from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA10056; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:58:02 +0100 (MET) Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id AAA03598; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:58:00 +0100 Message-ID: <19980228005759.07317@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:57:59 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Ulf Carlsson Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: <19980227192553.12373@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Ulf Carlsson on Sat, Feb 28, 1998 at 12:42:15AM +0100 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1787 Lines: 52 On Sat, Feb 28, 1998 at 12:42:15AM +0100, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > > The exact bug is that one of the cache maintenance routines in > > include/asm-mips/r4kcache.h uses there wrong cachop for flushing the > > cache. > > Oh. > > > > understand what you mean, sorry :) Well, this is not a big problem for me > > > anyway. The .68 kernel works. The main problem is the one with the > > > > .68 isn't supposed to work. The memory is laid out such that the buggy > > cache routine has a bit less of effect. > > Hm, ok. But why is .68 on ftp.linux.sgi.com if it doesn't work, or isn't > even supposed to work? It's only supposed to fail for your configuration. > > > harddrives (detecting them, but with the size of 0Mb, and the kernel can't > > > read the partition tables), and the one with the kernel paging request it > > > can't handle. Any ideas? > > > > Should all be the cache effect. > > Doesn't it work for your? Since I'm doing the thing it will always work for my hardware (hint, hint ...) > I have some questions concerning the MIPS/Linux project. I think the FAQ > on the homepage is obsolete (sorry, you must have answered these questions > 100 times by now :) > > Is it possible to use MIPS/Linux yet, or is it too buggy? How much of the It's good for month of uptime. Some apps are not that reliable. > X code is done? Are any of the SGI special devices, such as the cool > functions on the video card supported yet? Which kernel runs Linux supports what god wanted to be supported, text mode :-) > linux.sgi.com (this one seems to be quite stable). It's called IRIX :-) (And yes, the machine had over half a year uptime. The IRIX developers on the list will apreciate your praise :-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 16:19:06 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA54305 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:19:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA10693 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:17:39 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA10686 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:17:37 -0800 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA29278 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:17:35 -0800 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA05001; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:17:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:17:28 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Ulf Carlsson cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 843 Lines: 23 On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > Hm, ok. But why is .68 on ftp.linux.sgi.com if it doesn't work, or isn't > even supposed to work? Really, because we're not making a very big point of ensuring that the ftp site is up to date and accurate. Same with the FAQ. Yes, we should do a better job at this, feel free to help out. > Doesn't it work for your? Definitely. Alex3.med.iacnet.com works very well, and it really doesn't every crash. Certainly some of it could use some work (like partitioning, modules, X, etc), but glibc, networking, etc are all there. > Is it possible to use MIPS/Linux yet, or is it too buggy? How much of the > X code is done? Are any of the SGI special devices, such as the cool Miguel? What's up with X exactly? Are you short on hw specs? - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 16:22:12 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA53806 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:22:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA12058 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:21:39 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA12051 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:21:38 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA00438 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:21:36 -0800 env-from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA16264; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:21:35 +0100 (MET) Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id BAA03618; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:21:33 +0100 Message-ID: <19980228012132.53451@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:21:32 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Alex deVries Cc: Ulf Carlsson , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 07:17:28PM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 188 Lines: 7 On Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 07:17:28PM -0500, Alex deVries wrote: > Miguel? What's up with X exactly? Are you short on hw specs? It's more that days tend to have only 48 hours ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 16:24:33 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA54511 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:24:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA12463 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:23:06 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA12453 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:23:05 -0800 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA00777 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:23:04 -0800 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA05137; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:23:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:23:04 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: Ulf Carlsson , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: X... In-Reply-To: <19980228012132.53451@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 323 Lines: 11 On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 07:17:28PM -0500, Alex deVries wrote: > > Miguel? What's up with X exactly? Are you short on hw specs? > It's more that days tend to have only 48 hours ... Oh. Uh, any parts that I can help out on? I appear to have a weekend free now. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 16:36:56 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA53134 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:36:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA17213 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:35:54 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA17193 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:35:52 -0800 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA04404 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:35:45 -0800 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA07976; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:35:29 -0600 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:35:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199802280035.SAA07976@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: grimsy@varberg.se CC: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: (message from Ulf Carlsson on Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:42:15 +0100 (CET)) Subject: Re: installation problem. X-Unix: is friendly, it is just selective about who its friends are. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 523 Lines: 12 > Is it possible to use MIPS/Linux yet, or is it too buggy? How much of the > X code is done? Are any of the SGI special devices, such as the cool > functions on the video card supported yet? Which kernel runs > linux.sgi.com (this one seems to be quite stable). There is little code for the free X11 server written. I can send my bits to whoever wants them (they are based on what the kernel supports for the IRIX X emulation, so we will end up supporting a scheme very similar to what the IRIX X server has). Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 16:49:20 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA56467 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:49:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA20404 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:48:31 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA20399 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:48:29 -0800 Received: from athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (athena.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.9]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA07699 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:48:25 -0800 env-from (miguel@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by athena.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA08090; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:47:59 -0600 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:47:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199802280047.SAA08090@athena.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca CC: grimsy@varberg.se, ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: (message from Alex deVries on Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:17:28 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: installation problem. X-Mexico: Este es un pais de orates, un pais amateur. Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2096 Lines: 49 > > Is it possible to use MIPS/Linux yet, or is it too buggy? How much of the > > X code is done? Are any of the SGI special devices, such as the cool > > Miguel? What's up with X exactly? Are you short on hw specs? No. I am short on time. I am rushing for a beta release of the gnome desktop thingie and until then I am pretty busy. For those who do not know: gnome is a user-friendly desktop that aims at easing the usage of Unix computers. Gnome provides a user friendly desktop, and aims at providing a component framework for building large applications (components modeled pretty much after microsoft's active-x, but we are using CORBA for gluing stuff together instead of COM). For more information check: http://www.gnome.org and feel free to contribute to the effort. Back to the X server: here is the status: the X server starts up on my machine very happilly, but crashes the kernel sometime when clients connect. Not all clients crash the kernel, just some of them (if you run an xterm or emacs you will crash the kernel). These are remote applications, so it is a fault in the Xserver support in the kernel. This happens in graphics mode, so if the kernel is printing out a nice panic message, it never reaches the screen. What should be done to debug this is: inside panic() we need to restore text mode manually (trivial to figure out from the sources, there is some routine there) and figure out where the crash happened. Now, what might make debugging this a pain is that you require the an Indy that is configured just like mine :-), as when I was doing the X server code, I rushed to hardcode the inventory return code to whatever my machine had, so you better have a newport that supports 24-bpp or you need to change the inventory bits (or better yet, fix the inventory code) :-). Getting the X server to run is trivial: just strace your X server in IRIX and copy all of the files that are refereced by the X server. Then create the special files in /dev with the major/minors that are documented in the kernel and voila! best gnoming wishes, Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 17:29:25 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA58534 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:29:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA01540 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:28:50 -0800 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA01528; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:28:48 -0800 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA31568; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199802280128.RAA31568@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: installation problem. To: grimsy@varberg.se (Ulf Carlsson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:28:37 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "Ulf Carlsson" at Feb 28, 98 00:42:15 am Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1663 Lines: 43 : :On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: : :> .68 isn't supposed to work. The memory is laid out such that the buggy :> cache routine has a bit less of effect. : :Hm, ok. But why is .68 on ftp.linux.sgi.com if it doesn't work, or isn't :even supposed to work? : We really need someone who runs linux and understands the details to clean up the web site and make sure the FAQ is current and the precompiled kernels are stable and those that are bad are deleted etc. If you vounteer, please send me your ssh public key and I give you an account on *.linux.sgi.com in no time :-) : :I have some questions concerning the MIPS/Linux project. I think the FAQ :on the homepage is obsolete (sorry, you must have answered these questions :100 times by now :) : :Is it possible to use MIPS/Linux yet, or is it too buggy? How much of the :X code is done? Are any of the SGI special devices, such as the cool :functions on the video card supported yet? Which kernel runs :linux.sgi.com (this one seems to be quite stable). : Linux on SGI Indy's is quite stable once it boots. We have about five or so users that use it daily as their development platform. We seem to have some problems with some HW configs but not enough installed base to figure all this out. Maybe now that Ralf is back we may see some progress. Ralf is an amazing MIPS and Linux hacker, we probably need someone else who is less of a hacker but more of a documenter to take charge of the web site. :Maybe I'll join the project (if you allow me to). I don't know if I have :the time right now, quite busy programming for a demo project. : You'll be blessed if you join. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 18:19:56 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA28648 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:19:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA13967 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:19:25 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA13958; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:19:24 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id SAA29781; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:19:22 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup115-2-14.swipnet.se [130.244.115.78]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA11562; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:26:06 GMT Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:21:14 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: Ariel Faigon cc: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: <199802280128.RAA31568@oz.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1708 Lines: 37 On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Ariel Faigon wrote: > We really need someone who runs linux and understands the details > to clean up the web site and make sure the FAQ is current and > the precompiled kernels are stable and those that are bad > are deleted etc. > If you vounteer, please send me your ssh public key and I > give you an account on *.linux.sgi.com in no time :-) Well, I could done that. I have only one programming project right now and this isn't even programming, just writing a FAQ and updating a homepage. There are still some reasons why I can't help you with this right now: 1. I know almost nothing about MIPS/Linux. Well, as soon as it boots for me will I study all its advantages and disadvantages. 2. My internet connection is not very fast. Only modem at home. Well, I have a faster connection at school, but you know. Serving a ftp with 10mb kernels is not a job for me. (well, I may take charge of the www site some day in the (near?) future). > Linux on SGI Indy's is quite stable once it boots. We have about > five or so users that use it daily as their development platform. Developing MIPS/Linux or developing something else? How many MIPS/Linux are there right now? 10? 50? 100? > We seem to have some problems with some HW configs but not enough > installed base to figure all this out. Maybe now that Ralf is > back we may see some progress. Ralf is an amazing MIPS and Linux > hacker, we probably need someone else who is less of a hacker but > more of a documenter to take charge of the web site. How many coders are there for MIPS/Linux, just Ralf? > You'll be blessed if you join. As I said I have to install the funky shit first of all. :-) - grimsy From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Feb 27 22:24:01 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA81843 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:24:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA07656 for linux-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:23:22 -0800 Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA07648; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:23:20 -0800 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (971110.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA33234; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:23:10 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199802280623.WAA33234@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: installation problem. To: grimsy@varberg.se (Ulf Carlsson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:23:09 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "Ulf Carlsson" at Feb 28, 98 03:21:14 am Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1043 Lines: 24 : :> Linux on SGI Indy's is quite stable once it boots. We have about :> five or so users that use it daily as their development platform. :Developing MIPS/Linux or developing something else? :How many MIPS/Linux are there right now? 10? 50? 100? : I would assume around 10... but I don't know for sure, really. There have been many more downloads. We are still virtual console (no X) dependent and a few Indy devices (such as sound) are not supported. :> We seem to have some problems with some HW configs but not enough :> installed base to figure all this out. Maybe now that Ralf is :> back we may see some progress. Ralf is an amazing MIPS and Linux :> hacker, we probably need someone else who is less of a hacker but :> more of a documenter to take charge of the web site. :How many coders are there for MIPS/Linux, just Ralf? : Ralf, Miguel, Mike Shaver, Alex deVries, Thomas Bogendoerfer, Alan Cox. There have been a few more in the past, but most have a real job too so they are working on this on and off... -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Feb 28 02:32:54 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id CAA86830 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:32:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA28107 for linux-list; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:32:21 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA28102; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:32:19 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id CAA14213; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:32:18 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup112-2-51.swipnet.se [130.244.112.115]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA13114; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:39:12 GMT Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:34:10 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: Ariel Faigon cc: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: <199802280623.WAA33234@oz.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 294 Lines: 10 On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Ariel Faigon wrote: > Ralf, Miguel, Mike Shaver, Alex deVries, Thomas Bogendoerfer, > Alan Cox. There have been a few more in the past, but most have > a real job too so they are working on this on and off... So, how do you get money if you don't have a job? - grimsy From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Feb 28 08:15:29 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA100872 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:15:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA22547 for linux-list; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:14:49 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA22542; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:14:47 -0800 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id IAA00579; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:14:43 -0800 env-from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA28724; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:14:17 GMT Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0y8p37-0005FsC; Sat, 28 Feb 98 16:23 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: installation problem. To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:23:41 +0000 (GMT) Cc: grimsy@varberg.se, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199802280623.WAA33234@oz.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at Feb 27, 98 10:23:09 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 322 Lines: 7 > Alan Cox. There have been a few more in the past, but most have > a real job too so they are working on this on and off... SGIwise Im sort of stuck at the moment waiting for things to appear. If someone can get me/email me the PS/2 mouse docs for the indy I'll attack that if Miguel is still having it lock up on him From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Feb 28 08:36:29 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA101464 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:36:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA24322 for linux-list; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:35:59 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA24317 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:35:57 -0800 Received: from mdhill.interlog.com (mdhill.interlog.com [199.212.154.112]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id IAA03693 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:35:55 -0800 env-from (mike@mdhill.interlog.com) Received: (from mike@localhost) by mdhill.interlog.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA01492; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:35:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:35:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199802281635.LAA01492@mdhill.interlog.com> From: Michael Hill MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: References: <199802280623.WAA33234@oz.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: mdhill@interlog.com Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 483 Lines: 18 Ulf Carlsson writes: > On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Ariel Faigon wrote: > > > Ralf, Miguel, Mike Shaver, Alex deVries, Thomas Bogendoerfer, > > Alan Cox. There have been a few more in the past, but most have > > a real job too so they are working on this on and off... > > So, how do you get money if you don't have a job? If someone would post a response to the list, I could free up some time with two weeks' notice. Mike -- Michael Hill Toronto, Canada mdhill@interlog.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Feb 28 08:50:00 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA102145 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:50:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA25446 for linux-list; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:49:28 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA25441; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:49:26 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id IAA05548; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:49:24 -0800 env-from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09741; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:49:23 +0100 (MET) Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id RAA04903; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:49:22 +0100 Message-ID: <19980228174921.30289@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:49:21 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Alan Cox Cc: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, grimsy@varberg.se, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: <199802280623.WAA33234@oz.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Alan Cox on Sat, Feb 28, 1998 at 04:23:41PM +0000 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 748 Lines: 16 On Sat, Feb 28, 1998 at 04:23:41PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote: > > Alan Cox. There have been a few more in the past, but most have > > a real job too so they are working on this on and off... > > SGIwise Im sort of stuck at the moment waiting for things to appear. If someone > can get me/email me the PS/2 mouse docs for the indy I'll attack that if > Miguel is still having it lock up on him Basically the Indy PS/2 hardware is the same as on PCs, it's just that both mouse and keyboard are using the same interrupt and we therefore need some special magic. When cleaning up in the keyboard driver I somehow lost the PS/2 magic stuff that calls aux_interrupt(). Old CVS kernel versions should have that stuff still in the keyboard code. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Feb 28 08:54:17 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA102346 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:54:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA25884 for linux-list; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:53:56 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA25880 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:53:55 -0800 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id IAA06104 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:53:53 -0800 env-from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09814; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:53:52 +0100 (MET) Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id RAA04912; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:53:51 +0100 Message-ID: <19980228175350.55159@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:53:50 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: mdhill@interlog.com Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: installation problem. References: <199802280623.WAA33234@oz.engr.sgi.com> <199802281635.LAA01492@mdhill.interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199802281635.LAA01492@mdhill.interlog.com>; from Michael Hill on Sat, Feb 28, 1998 at 11:35:01AM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 957 Lines: 22 On Sat, Feb 28, 1998 at 11:35:01AM -0500, Michael Hill wrote: > Ulf Carlsson writes: > > On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Ariel Faigon wrote: > > > > > Ralf, Miguel, Mike Shaver, Alex deVries, Thomas Bogendoerfer, > > > Alan Cox. There have been a few more in the past, but most have > > > a real job too so they are working on this on and off... > > > > So, how do you get money if you don't have a job? > > If someone would post a response to the list, I could free up some time with > two weeks' notice. The MIPS embedded market is large enough to give you a living on the base of Linux/MIPS. I wouldn't dare to say that about the Linux for SGI market yet ... The big problem is just finding the initial customers. Living on the base of Linux is however getting easier and easier. About half of my income the last year was based directly or indirectly on Linux and it's getting more. And yes, it's good enough to afford non-rusty cars ;-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Feb 28 13:05:42 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA110302 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:05:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA20736 for linux-list; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:05:10 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA20731 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:05:09 -0800 Received: from hp817.speedware.com (hp817.speedware.com [192.197.116.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id NAA12328 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:05:04 -0800 env-from (chrisr@hp817.speedware.com) Received: (from chrisr@localhost) by hp817.speedware.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17293 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:04:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Chris. Rupnik" Message-Id: <199802282104.QAA17293@hp817.speedware.com> Subject: Net Booting a MAGNUM pc-50 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 16:04:59 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 234 Lines: 9 Hi I am attempting to netboot a mips machine. I have compiled and installed the BFSD server, and now it appears that i am looking for a 'sash'. Can someone please point me in the right direction for this booter? Thanks Chris From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Feb 28 14:47:36 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA113140 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:47:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA29921 for linux-list; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:47:07 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA29892 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:47:06 -0800 Received: from seaside2.varberg.se (mail.varberg.se [193.13.151.101]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id OAA27837 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:47:04 -0800 env-from (grimsy@seaside.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (grimsy@dialup90-3-40.swipnet.se [130.244.90.168]) by seaside2.varberg.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA06869 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:47:16 GMT Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:48:57 +0100 (CET) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: SGI/Linux vs. Linux/MIPS In-Reply-To: <199802280128.RAA31568@oz.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 64 Lines: 4 Are SGI/Linux and Linux/MIPS two different projects? - grimsy From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Feb 28 15:10:19 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA114414 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:10:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA01945 for linux-list; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:09:48 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA01937 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:09:46 -0800 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id PAA01556 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:09:45 -0800 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06913; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:09:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:09:47 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Ulf Carlsson cc: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: SGI/Linux vs. Linux/MIPS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 442 Lines: 16 On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > > Are SGI/Linux and Linux/MIPS two different projects? I think the answer is "sort of". Certainly the software ports for various MIPS architectures are similiar, including the kernel. SGI/Linux is really just an instance of big endian MIPS/Linux. The value added in SGI Linux is that there's a company standing somewhat behind it, offering help with some of the SGI-specific issues. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Feb 28 18:14:36 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA121778 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:14:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA18231 for linux-list; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:13:56 -0800 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA18226; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:13:54 -0800 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id SAA27890; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:13:51 -0800 env-from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA13557; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:13:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:13:54 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Ulf Carlsson cc: Ariel Faigon , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: installation problem. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 735 Lines: 17 On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > 1. I know almost nothing about MIPS/Linux. Well, as soon as it boots for > me will I study all its advantages and disadvantages. > 2. My internet connection is not very fast. Only modem at home. Well, I > have a faster connection at school, but you know. Serving a ftp > with 10mb kernels is not a job for me. (well, I may take charge of the > www site some day in the (near?) future). That's where SGI comes in nicely, providing us all with ftp.linux.sgi.com. I actually have some unfinished HOWTO docs you're welcome to have, but the problem with them is that we haven't really realized a viable installation method yet. Still gotta get the initrd stuff running... - Alex