From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jun 30 22:38:09 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA96390 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA34133 for linux-list; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:37:23 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA44616 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:37:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA06838 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:37:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA15813 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:37:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: RH Errata... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 508 Lines: 23 Here's yesterday's RH 5.1 Errata is in ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/redhat/devel : bind-4.9.7-1.mipseb.rpm bind-utils-4.9.7-1.mipseb.rpm ispell-3.1.20-9.mipseb.rpm mailx-8.1.1-3.mipseb.rpm metamail-2.7-17.mipseb.rpm slang-0.99.38-7.mipseb.rpm slang-devel-0.99.38-7.mipseb.rpm tcp_wrappers-7.6-4.mipseb.rpm tin-1.22-11.mipseb.rpm If you're running SGI/Linux in a production environment (yeah, right!), you'll want these. -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jun 30 22:45:01 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA42731 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA93098 for linux-list; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:44:32 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA20759 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:44:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw (life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.21]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA08367 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:44:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11742; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:42:20 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <19980701134219.17360@life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:42:19 +0800 From: "Francis M.J. Hsieh" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: boot without irix? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79e Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 376 Lines: 11 Hi, Is there any way to boot linux without irix? I plan to boot from bootp and set argument root=/dev/sda1, hope it works. :-) -- Francis M. J. Hsieh | Email: mjhsieh@life.nthu.edu.tw Life Science Department, | Webpage: http://www.life.nthu.edu.tw/~mjhsieh/ National Tsing Hua Univ, | Voice: +886 3 5715131 ext 3482 HsinChu, Taiwan Republic | +886 3 5715649 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jun 30 22:48:57 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA54635 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA57326 for linux-list; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:48:41 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA66321 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:48:39 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA09190 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:48:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA15900; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:48:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:48:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: "Francis M.J. Hsieh" cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: boot without irix? In-Reply-To: <19980701134219.17360@life.nthu.edu.tw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 213 Lines: 9 On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Francis M.J. Hsieh wrote: > Is there any way to boot linux without irix? I plan to boot from bootp > and set argument root=/dev/sda1, hope it works. :-) In theory, that will work. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 1 03:57:04 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA53561 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 03:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA97489 for linux-list; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 03:56:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA26510 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 03:56:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw (life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.21]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id DAA14996 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 03:56:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13758; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:54:20 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <19980701185419.41145@life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:54:19 +0800 From: "Francis M.J. Hsieh" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: boot without irix? References: <19980701134219.17360@life.nthu.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79e In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 01:48:17AM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 669 Lines: 16 On Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 01:48:17AM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Francis M.J. Hsieh wrote: > > Is there any way to boot linux without irix? I plan to boot from bootp > > and set argument root=/dev/sda1, hope it works. :-) > > In theory, that will work. Not so easy as I think, needed to change bootp setting. If we didn't change bootp setting, it will boot to install mode. (Finding what to change) -- Francis M. J. Hsieh | Email: mjhsieh@life.nthu.edu.tw Life Science Department, | Webpage: http://www.life.nthu.edu.tw/~mjhsieh/ National Tsing Hua Univ, | Voice: +886 3 5715131 ext 3482 HsinChu, Taiwan Republic | +886 3 5715649 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 1 07:15:52 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA98903 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA57183 for linux-list; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:15:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA19813 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:15:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA04565 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:15:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from dredd.mcom.com (dredd.mcom.com [205.217.237.54]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10514 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by dredd.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA377A for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:15:07 -0700 Message-ID: <359A447B.2D25377D@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:15:23 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Mozilla Dot Weenies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: mozilla on the Indy Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------86403D215537936A11F8BCA8" Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 19360 Lines: 706 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------86403D215537936A11F8BCA8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It builds. It links (now that Alex made lesstif go, and I fixed up xpm). It crashes very early in the startup. I think it's probably something in the NSPR thread initialization, but I'll have to build some test stuff to be sure. The files I've changed that matter (not Makefiles and link lines, but actual source) are attached, and are the likely source of my problems. Since the final mostly-static link takes about 40 minutes, experimentation is expensive. I'm also taking donations of gdb. Mike -- 73275.46 64180.31 --------------86403D215537936A11F8BCA8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="_linux.cfg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="_linux.cfg" /* -*- Mode: C++; tab-width: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil; c-basic-offset: 2 -*- */ /* * The contents of this file are subject to the Netscape Public License * Version 1.0 (the "NPL"); you may not use this file except in * compliance with the NPL. You may obtain a copy of the NPL at * http://www.mozilla.org/NPL/ * * Software distributed under the NPL is distributed on an "AS IS" basis, * WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, either express or implied. See the NPL * for the specific language governing rights and limitations under the * NPL. * * The Initial Developer of this code under the NPL is Netscape * Communications Corporation. Portions created by Netscape are * Copyright (C) 1998 Netscape Communications Corporation. All Rights * Reserved. */ #ifndef nspr_cpucfg___ #define nspr_cpucfg___ #ifndef XP_UNIX #define XP_UNIX #endif #ifndef LINUX #define LINUX #endif #ifdef __powerpc__ #undef IS_LITTLE_ENDIAN #define IS_BIG_ENDIAN 1 #define PR_BYTES_PER_BYTE 1 #define PR_BYTES_PER_SHORT 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT64 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_LONG 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_FLOAT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DOUBLE 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT 16 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE_LOG2 3 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT_LOG2 4 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD_LOG2 5 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_SHORT 2 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_LONG 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT64 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_FLOAT 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_DOUBLE 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_POINTER 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD_LOG2 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD_LOG2 3 #elif defined(__alpha) #define IS_LITTLE_ENDIAN 1 #undef IS_BIG_ENDIAN #define IS_64 #define PR_BYTES_PER_BYTE 1 #define PR_BYTES_PER_SHORT 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT64 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_LONG 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_FLOAT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DOUBLE 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT 16 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE_LOG2 3 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT_LOG2 4 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD_LOG2 6 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_SHORT 2 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_LONG 8 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT64 8 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_FLOAT 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_DOUBLE 8 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_POINTER 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD_LOG2 3 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD_LOG2 3 #elif defined(__mc68000__) #undef IS_LITTLE_ENDIAN #define IS_BIG_ENDIAN 1 #define PR_BYTES_PER_BYTE 1 #define PR_BYTES_PER_SHORT 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT64 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_LONG 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_FLOAT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DOUBLE 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT 16 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE_LOG2 3 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT_LOG2 4 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD_LOG2 5 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_SHORT 2 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT 2 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_LONG 2 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT64 2 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_FLOAT 2 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_DOUBLE 2 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_POINTER 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD_LOG2 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD_LOG2 3 #elif defined(__sparc__) #undef IS_LITTLE_ENDIAN #define IS_BIG_ENDIAN 1 #define PR_BYTES_PER_BYTE 1 #define PR_BYTES_PER_SHORT 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT64 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_LONG 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_FLOAT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DOUBLE 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT 16 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE_LOG2 3 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT_LOG2 4 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD_LOG2 5 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_SHORT 2 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_LONG 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT64 8 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_FLOAT 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_DOUBLE 8 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_POINTER 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD_LOG2 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD_LOG2 3 #elif defined(__i386__) #define IS_LITTLE_ENDIAN 1 #undef IS_BIG_ENDIAN #define PR_BYTES_PER_BYTE 1 #define PR_BYTES_PER_SHORT 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT64 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_LONG 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_FLOAT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DOUBLE 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT 16 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE_LOG2 3 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT_LOG2 4 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD_LOG2 5 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_SHORT 2 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_LONG 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT64 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_FLOAT 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_DOUBLE 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_POINTER 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD_LOG2 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD_LOG2 3 #elif defined(__mips__) #ifdef __MIPSEB__ #define IS_BIG_ENDIAN 1 #undef IS_LITTLE_ENDIAN #elif defined(__MIPSEL__ #define IS_LITTLE_ENDIAN 1 #undef IS_BIG_ENDIAN #else #error "Unknown MIPS endianness." #endif #define PR_BYTES_PER_BYTE 1 #define PR_BYTES_PER_SHORT 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_INT64 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_LONG 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_FLOAT 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DOUBLE 8 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE 8 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT 16 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE 64 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD 32 #define PR_BITS_PER_BYTE_LOG2 3 #define PR_BITS_PER_SHORT_LOG2 4 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_INT64_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_LONG_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT_LOG2 5 #define PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE_LOG2 6 #define PR_BITS_PER_WORD_LOG2 5 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_SHORT 2 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_LONG 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_INT64 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_FLOAT 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_DOUBLE 4 #define PR_ALIGN_OF_POINTER 4 #define PR_BYTES_PER_WORD_LOG2 2 #define PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD_LOG2 3 #else #error "Unknown CPU architecture" #endif #define HAVE_LONG_LONG /* * XXX These two macros need to be investigated for different architectures. */ #undef HAVE_ALIGNED_DOUBLES #undef HAVE_ALIGNED_LONGLONGS #ifndef NO_NSPR_10_SUPPORT #define BYTES_PER_BYTE PR_BYTES_PER_BYTE #define BYTES_PER_SHORT PR_BYTES_PER_SHORT #define BYTES_PER_INT PR_BYTES_PER_INT #define BYTES_PER_INT64 PR_BYTES_PER_INT64 #define BYTES_PER_LONG PR_BYTES_PER_LONG #define BYTES_PER_FLOAT PR_BYTES_PER_FLOAT #define BYTES_PER_DOUBLE PR_BYTES_PER_DOUBLE #define BYTES_PER_WORD PR_BYTES_PER_WORD #define BYTES_PER_DWORD PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD #define BITS_PER_BYTE PR_BITS_PER_BYTE #define BITS_PER_SHORT PR_BITS_PER_SHORT #define BITS_PER_INT PR_BITS_PER_INT #define BITS_PER_INT64 PR_BITS_PER_INT64 #define BITS_PER_LONG PR_BITS_PER_LONG #define BITS_PER_FLOAT PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT #define BITS_PER_DOUBLE PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE #define BITS_PER_WORD PR_BITS_PER_WORD #define BITS_PER_BYTE_LOG2 PR_BITS_PER_BYTE_LOG2 #define BITS_PER_SHORT_LOG2 PR_BITS_PER_SHORT_LOG2 #define BITS_PER_INT_LOG2 PR_BITS_PER_INT_LOG2 #define BITS_PER_INT64_LOG2 PR_BITS_PER_INT64_LOG2 #define BITS_PER_LONG_LOG2 PR_BITS_PER_LONG_LOG2 #define BITS_PER_FLOAT_LOG2 PR_BITS_PER_FLOAT_LOG2 #define BITS_PER_DOUBLE_LOG2 PR_BITS_PER_DOUBLE_LOG2 #define BITS_PER_WORD_LOG2 PR_BITS_PER_WORD_LOG2 #define ALIGN_OF_SHORT PR_ALIGN_OF_SHORT #define ALIGN_OF_INT PR_ALIGN_OF_INT #define ALIGN_OF_LONG PR_ALIGN_OF_LONG #define ALIGN_OF_INT64 PR_ALIGN_OF_INT64 #define ALIGN_OF_FLOAT PR_ALIGN_OF_FLOAT #define ALIGN_OF_DOUBLE PR_ALIGN_OF_DOUBLE #define ALIGN_OF_POINTER PR_ALIGN_OF_POINTER #define ALIGN_OF_WORD PR_ALIGN_OF_WORD #define BYTES_PER_WORD_LOG2 PR_BYTES_PER_WORD_LOG2 #define BYTES_PER_DWORD_LOG2 PR_BYTES_PER_DWORD_LOG2 #define WORDS_PER_DWORD_LOG2 PR_WORDS_PER_DWORD_LOG2 #endif /* NO_NSPR_10_SUPPORT */ #endif /* nspr_cpucfg___ */ --------------86403D215537936A11F8BCA8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="_linux.h" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="_linux.h" /* -*- Mode: C++; tab-width: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil; c-basic-offset: 2 -*- */ /* * The contents of this file are subject to the Netscape Public License * Version 1.0 (the "NPL"); you may not use this file except in * compliance with the NPL. You may obtain a copy of the NPL at * http://www.mozilla.org/NPL/ * * Software distributed under the NPL is distributed on an "AS IS" basis, * WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, either express or implied. See the NPL * for the specific language governing rights and limitations under the * NPL. * * The Initial Developer of this code under the NPL is Netscape * Communications Corporation. Portions created by Netscape are * Copyright (C) 1998 Netscape Communications Corporation. All Rights * Reserved. */ #ifndef nspr_linux_defs_h___ #define nspr_linux_defs_h___ #include "prthread.h" /* * Internal configuration macros */ #define PR_LINKER_ARCH "linux" #define _PR_SI_SYSNAME "LINUX" #ifdef __powerpc__ #define _PR_SI_ARCHITECTURE "ppc" #elif defined(__alpha) #define _PR_SI_ARCHITECTURE "alpha" #elif defined(__mc68000__) #define _PR_SI_ARCHITECTURE "m68k" #elif defined(__sparc__) #define _PR_SI_ARCHITECTURE "sparc" #elif defined(__i386__) #define _PR_SI_ARCHITECTURE "x86" #elif defined(__mips__) #define _PR_SI_ARCHITECTURE "mips" #else #error "Unknown CPU architecture" #endif #define PR_DLL_SUFFIX ".so" #define _PR_VMBASE 0x30000000 #define _PR_STACK_VMBASE 0x50000000 #define _MD_DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE 65536L #define _MD_MMAP_FLAGS MAP_PRIVATE #undef HAVE_STACK_GROWING_UP /* * Elf linux supports dl* functions */ #define HAVE_DLL #define USE_DLFCN #if !defined(MKLINUX) && !defined(NEED_TIME_R) #define NEED_TIME_R #endif #define USE_SETJMP #ifdef _PR_PTHREADS extern void _MD_CleanupBeforeExit(void); #define _MD_CLEANUP_BEFORE_EXIT _MD_CleanupBeforeExit #else /* ! _PR_PTHREADS */ #include #define PR_CONTEXT_TYPE sigjmp_buf #define CONTEXT(_th) ((_th)->md.context) #ifdef __powerpc__ /* PowerPC based MkLinux */ #define _MD_GET_SP(_t) (_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[0].__misc[0] #define _MD_SET_FP(_t, val) #define _MD_GET_SP_PTR(_t) &(_MD_GET_SP(_t)) #define _MD_GET_FP_PTR(_t) ((void *) 0) /* aix = 64, macos = 70 */ #define PR_NUM_GCREGS 64 #elif defined(__alpha) /* Alpha based Linux */ #if defined(__GLIBC__) && __GLIBC__ >= 2 #define _MD_GET_SP(_t) (_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[JB_SP] #define _MD_SET_FP(_t, val) #define _MD_GET_SP_PTR(_t) &(_MD_GET_SP(_t)) #define _MD_GET_FP_PTR(_t) ((void *) 0) #define _MD_SP_TYPE long int #else #define _MD_GET_SP(_t) (_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[0].__sp #define _MD_SET_FP(_t, val) #define _MD_GET_SP_PTR(_t) &(_MD_GET_SP(_t)) #define _MD_GET_FP_PTR(_t) ((void *) 0) #define _MD_SP_TYPE __ptr_t #endif /* defined(__GLIBC__) && __GLIBC__ >= 2 */ /* XXX not sure if this is correct, or maybe it should be 17? */ #define PR_NUM_GCREGS 9 #elif defined(__mc68000__) /* m68k based Linux */ /* * On the m68k, glibc still uses the old style sigjmp_buf, even * in glibc 2.0.7. */ #if defined(__GLIBC__) && __GLIBC__ >= 2 #define _MD_GET_SP(_t) (_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[0].__sp #define _MD_SET_FP(_t, val) #define _MD_GET_SP_PTR(_t) &(_MD_GET_SP(_t)) #define _MD_GET_FP_PTR(_t) ((void *) 0) #else #define _MD_GET_SP(_t) (_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[0].__sp #define _MD_SET_FP(_t, val) #define _MD_GET_SP_PTR(_t) &(_MD_GET_SP(_t)) #define _MD_GET_FP_PTR(_t) ((void *) 0) #endif /* defined(__GLIBC__) && __GLIBC__ >= 2 */ /* XXX not sure if this is correct, or maybe it should be 17? */ #define PR_NUM_GCREGS 9 #elif defined(__sparc__) /* Sparc */ #define _MD_GET_SP(_t) (_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[0].__fp #define _MD_SET_FP(_t, val) #define _MD_GET_SP_PTR(_t) &(_MD_GET_SP(_t)) #define _MD_GET_FP_PTR(_t) ((void *) 0) #define _MD_SP_TYPE __ptr_t #elif defined(__i386__) /* Intel based Linux */ #if defined(__GLIBC__) && __GLIBC__ >= 2 #define _MD_GET_SP(_t) (_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[JB_SP] #define _MD_SET_FP(_t, val) ((_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[JB_BP] = val) #define _MD_GET_SP_PTR(_t) &(_MD_GET_SP(_t)) #define _MD_GET_FP_PTR(_t) (&(_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[JB_BP]) #define _MD_SP_TYPE int #else #define _MD_GET_SP(_t) (_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[0].__sp #define _MD_SET_FP(_t, val) ((_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[0].__bp = val) #define _MD_GET_SP_PTR(_t) &(_MD_GET_SP(_t)) #define _MD_GET_FP_PTR(_t) &((_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[0].__bp) #define _MD_SP_TYPE __ptr_t #endif /* defined(__GLIBC__) && __GLIBC__ >= 2 */ #define PR_NUM_GCREGS 6 #elif defined(__mips) /* Linux/MIPS */ #if defined(__GLIBC__) && __GLIBC__ >= 2 #define _MD_GET_SP(_t) (_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[0].__sp #define _MD_SET_FP(_t, val) ((_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[0].__fp = val) #define _MD_GET_SP_PTR(_t) &(_MD_GET_SP(_t)) #define _MD_GET_FP_PTR(_t) (&(_t)->md.context[0].__jmpbuf[0].__fp) #define _MD_SP_TYPE __ptr_t #else #error "Linux/MIPS pre glibc2 not supported yet (hack away!)" #endif /* defined(__GLIBC__) && __GLIBC__ >= 2 */ #else #error "Unknown CPU architecture" #endif /*__powerpc__*/ /* ** Initialize a thread context to run "_main()" when started */ #ifdef __powerpc__ #define _MD_INIT_CONTEXT(_thread, _sp, _main, status) \ { \ *status = PR_TRUE; \ if (sigsetjmp(CONTEXT(_thread), 1)) { \ _main(); \ } \ _MD_GET_SP(_thread) = (unsigned char*) ((_sp) - 128); \ _thread->md.sp = _MD_GET_SP_PTR(_thread); \ _thread->md.fp = _MD_GET_FP_PTR(_thread); \ _MD_SET_FP(_thread, 0); \ } #else #define _MD_INIT_CONTEXT(_thread, _sp, _main, status) \ { \ *status = PR_TRUE; \ if (sigsetjmp(CONTEXT(_thread), 1)) { \ _main(); \ } \ _MD_GET_SP(_thread) = (_MD_SP_TYPE) ((_sp) - 64); \ _thread->md.sp = _MD_GET_SP_PTR(_thread); \ _thread->md.fp = _MD_GET_FP_PTR(_thread); \ _MD_SET_FP(_thread, 0); \ } #endif /*__powerpc__*/ #define _MD_SWITCH_CONTEXT(_thread) \ if (!sigsetjmp(CONTEXT(_thread), 1)) { \ (_thread)->md.errcode = errno; \ _PR_Schedule(); \ } /* ** Restore a thread context, saved by _MD_SWITCH_CONTEXT */ #define _MD_RESTORE_CONTEXT(_thread) \ { \ errno = (_thread)->md.errcode; \ _MD_SET_CURRENT_THREAD(_thread); \ siglongjmp(CONTEXT(_thread), 1); \ } /* Machine-dependent (MD) data structures */ struct _MDThread { PR_CONTEXT_TYPE context; void *sp; void *fp; int id; int errcode; }; struct _MDThreadStack { PRInt8 notused; }; struct _MDLock { PRInt8 notused; }; struct _MDSemaphore { PRInt8 notused; }; struct _MDCVar { PRInt8 notused; }; struct _MDSegment { PRInt8 notused; }; struct _MDCPU { struct _MDCPU_Unix md_unix; }; #define _MD_INIT_LOCKS() #define _MD_NEW_LOCK(lock) PR_SUCCESS #define _MD_FREE_LOCK(lock) #define _MD_LOCK(lock) #define _MD_UNLOCK(lock) #define _MD_INIT_IO() #define _MD_IOQ_LOCK() #define _MD_IOQ_UNLOCK() extern PRStatus _MD_InitializeThread(PRThread *thread); #define _MD_INIT_RUNNING_CPU(cpu) _MD_unix_init_running_cpu(cpu) #define _MD_INIT_THREAD _MD_InitializeThread #define _MD_EXIT_THREAD(thread) #define _MD_SUSPEND_THREAD(thread) _MD_suspend_thread #define _MD_RESUME_THREAD(thread) _MD_resume_thread #define _MD_CLEAN_THREAD(_thread) extern PRStatus _MD_CREATE_THREAD( PRThread *thread, void (*start) (void *), PRThreadPriority priority, PRThreadScope scope, PRThreadState state, PRUint32 stackSize); extern void _MD_SET_PRIORITY(struct _MDThread *thread, PRUintn newPri); extern PRStatus _MD_WAIT(PRThread *, PRIntervalTime timeout); extern PRStatus _MD_WAKEUP_WAITER(PRThread *); extern void _MD_YIELD(void); #endif /* ! _PR_PTHREADS */ extern void _MD_EarlyInit(void); extern PRIntervalTime _PR_UNIX_GetInterval(void); extern PRIntervalTime _PR_UNIX_TicksPerSecond(void); #define _MD_EARLY_INIT _MD_EarlyInit #define _MD_FINAL_INIT _PR_UnixInit #define _MD_GET_INTERVAL _PR_UNIX_GetInterval #define _MD_INTERVAL_PER_SEC _PR_UNIX_TicksPerSecond /* * We wrapped the select() call. _MD_SELECT refers to the built-in, * unwrapped version. */ #define _MD_SELECT __select #ifdef _PR_POLL_AVAILABLE #include extern int __syscall_poll(struct pollfd *ufds, unsigned long int nfds, int timeout); #define _MD_POLL __syscall_poll #endif /* For writev() */ #include #endif /* nspr_linux_defs_h___ */ --------------86403D215537936A11F8BCA8-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 1 08:55:59 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA59110 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA31184 for linux-list; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:54:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA08209 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:54:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA09706 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:54:42 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23520; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:54:29 +0200 (MEST) Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id RAA15362; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:54:26 +0200 Message-ID: <19980701175425.34606@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:54:25 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Mike Shaver Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: mozilla on the Indy References: <359A447B.2D25377D@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <359A447B.2D25377D@netscape.com>; from Mike Shaver on Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 10:15:23AM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 683 Lines: 16 On Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 10:15:23AM -0400, Mike Shaver wrote: > It builds. > It links (now that Alex made lesstif go, and I fixed up xpm). > It crashes very early in the startup. > > I think it's probably something in the NSPR thread initialization, but > I'll have to build some test stuff to be sure. The files I've changed > that matter (not Makefiles and link lines, but actual source) are > attached, and are the likely source of my problems. Since the final > mostly-static link takes about 40 minutes, experimentation is expensive. Threads are broken, the attempt to create one will crash the process. On the to do list of things to be finished for Alex tomorrow. ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 1 19:13:00 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA38930 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA30685 for linux-list; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:12:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA13963 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:12:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id TAA07870 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:12:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-19.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.19]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA01949 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:11:48 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA07418; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:11:39 +0200 Message-ID: <19980702041137.I3255@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:11:37 +0200 To: Mike Shaver , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: mozilla on the Indy References: <359A447B.2D25377D@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <359A447B.2D25377D@netscape.com>; from Mike Shaver on Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 10:15:23AM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 844 Lines: 19 On Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 10:15:23AM -0400, Mike Shaver wrote: > It builds. > It links (now that Alex made lesstif go, and I fixed up xpm). > It crashes very early in the startup. > > I think it's probably something in the NSPR thread initialization, but > I'll have to build some test stuff to be sure. The files I've changed > that matter (not Makefiles and link lines, but actual source) are > attached, and are the likely source of my problems. Since the final > mostly-static link takes about 40 minutes, experimentation is expensive. Now that I've taken myself two minutes to browse your attached sources - the patches to the NSPR thread routines look suspicious. The are playing games with the frame pointer which at least on the first look don't make sense as gcc automatically enables -fomit-frame-pointer when optimizing. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 2 08:59:49 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA79284 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA84097 for linux-list; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:59:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA85888 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:59:08 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA10994 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:59:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@dali.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.1]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23124 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:58:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA00707; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:58:33 +0200 Message-ID: <19980702175832.A637@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:58:32 +0200 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: MIPS kernel patch, source and binary rpms. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 801 Lines: 20 Hi, I'm currently uploading a kernel patch which fixes the reported corruption of rlogin and http sessions, source rpms of XFree, egcs, gcc and joe, a big pile of big endian "mipseb" rpms and a small pile of little endian "mipsel" and "noarch" rpms. People with an account on linus.linux.sgi.com can get the stuff from ~ralf/for-alex/, before we move them online for anonymous ftp on ftp.linux.sgi.com. During the next hours you'll also be able to get them from dali.uni-koblenz.de via anon ftp. Don't look to hard at the kernel patch, it's not nice at all to our benchmarks but at least it is correct - I just didn't have more than a couple of minutes to hack, compile and test it since Linux hacking has lower priority than all my real live duties like job, uni etc. :-( Happy hacking, Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 2 14:33:14 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA77371 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA02361 for linux-list; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:32:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA13526 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:32:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw (life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.21]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA01342 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:32:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA23087; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 05:30:16 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <19980703053015.62488@life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 05:30:15 +0800 From: "Francis M.J. Hsieh" To: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Thursday, 5pm EST cutoff! References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79e In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Tue, Jun 30, 1998 at 11:47:20PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 608 Lines: 13 On Tue, Jun 30, 1998 at 11:47:20PM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > Alright. 5pm on Thursday, July 2 is the cutoff time for corrections to > SGI/Linux packages and installations for, er, the next release. This one > is significant because, well, if you don't know you can ask in private > email. Well, when will it release? We r looking forward this release :-) -- Francis M. J. Hsieh | Email: mjhsieh@life.nthu.edu.tw Life Science Department, | Webpage: http://www.life.nthu.edu.tw/~mjhsieh/ National Tsing Hua Univ, | Voice: +886 3 5715131 ext 3482 HsinChu, Taiwan Republic | +886 3 5715649 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 2 14:52:00 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA81864 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA44091 for linux-list; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:51:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA23775 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:51:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA06907 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:51:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA07777; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:50:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: "Francis M.J. Hsieh" cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Thursday, 5pm EST cutoff! In-Reply-To: <19980703053015.62488@life.nthu.edu.tw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 585 Lines: 15 On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Francis M.J. Hsieh wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 1998 at 11:47:20PM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > > Alright. 5pm on Thursday, July 2 is the cutoff time for corrections to > > SGI/Linux packages and installations for, er, the next release. This one > > is significant because, well, if you don't know you can ask in private > > email. > Well, when will it release? We r looking forward this release :-) It should all be done by early Saturday morning. I *hope* to have the full RH installer, not just stage two, so you should be able to install via FTP etal. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 2 16:02:29 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA82775 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA73087 for linux-list; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:01:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA29838 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:01:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA26838 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:01:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:01:36 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0yrsM6-002PSdC; Fri, 3 Jul 98 01:01 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA03624; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:59:28 +0200 Message-ID: <19980703005927.48187@alpha.franken.de> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:59:27 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: tcsh References: <19980622110139.F418@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980622110139.F418@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Mon, Jun 22, 1998 at 11:01:39AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 900 Lines: 23 On Mon, Jun 22, 1998 at 11:01:39AM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > maybe anybody feels like debugging the tcsh rpm. The lack of having > a properly working csh keep several other packages from building > without trickery. ok, I'm pretty close. After debugging tcsh for more than three hours, it looks like this is a kernel bug. I've traced it down to the following code in sh.proc.c: xprintf ("pp before sigpause %x\n",pp); /* (void) sigpause(sigblock((sigmask_t) 0) &~ sigmask(SIGCHLD)); */ (void) sigpause(omask & ~sigmask(SIGCHLD)); xprintf ("pp after sigpause %x\n",pp); pp gets clobbered by sigpause. I'll have a fast look at the kernel, maybe it's easy to spot the bug. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 2 23:41:48 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA64449 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA83251 for linux-list; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:41:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA50270 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:41:03 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA05935 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA26797 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:41:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: CREDITS... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 814 Lines: 28 I'm trying to whip up a CREDITS file for the distribution. It's terribly embarrassing to be missing people, and I created this really just off the top of my head. Be warned that it's 3AM as I write this, so I know I'm missing people. Can anyone help fill in the holes? It's important that I get this done sometime in the next 18 hours. Ralf Baechle - kernel work, glibc, other packages Alan Cox - various kernel issues Miguel de Icaza - device drivers Alex deVries - installer and packaging Ariel Faigon - SGI support Richard Henderson - compiler and glibc Larry McVoy - initial work David Miller - initial kernel work, many device drivers Bob Mende - SGI support Mike Shaver - various kernel work (EFS, XFree86) - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 2 23:48:10 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA66125 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA45203 for linux-list; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:47:43 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA42977 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:47:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA07364 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:47:39 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA26883 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:47:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:47:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: initrd... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 806 Lines: 28 Well, the good news is that I can now convince the kernel to load an initrd. The bad news is that I ended up hardcoding the ramdisk into the kernel. Bleah. It wasa bit weird to have to override the error detection mechanism that prevents you from mounting a ramdisk that is within kernel space (so that you can't write on top of th ekernel). Anyway, this means that in theory we should be able to get the install to work: - on a machine with Irix - on a machine without Irix, but with another machine This also opens up the possibility of things like an FTP install. In my mind that expands the number of installations considerably. As I said, this is a huge hack; this is only meant for the installer. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 3 04:40:25 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA29241 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA54441 for linux-list; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:39:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA69455 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:39:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id EAA04479 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:39:37 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA13717; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:39:23 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0ys4HJ-000aOnC; Fri, 3 Jul 98 12:45 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: CREDITS... To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:45:20 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at Jul 3, 98 02:41:00 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 170 Lines: 7 > Alan Cox - various kernel issues I think closer is "building RPM packages and answering questions" with maybe "Initial installer, but we will forgive him for that" From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 3 08:01:15 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA04931 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA46313 for linux-list; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:00:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA85068 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:00:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA14596 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@dali.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.1]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08316 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:59:59 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA00742; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:58:56 +0200 Message-ID: <19980703165855.C435@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:58:55 +0200 To: Thomas Bogendoerfer Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: tcsh References: <19980622110139.F418@uni-koblenz.de> <19980703005927.48187@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980703005927.48187@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Fri, Jul 03, 1998 at 12:59:27AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1012 Lines: 26 On Fri, Jul 03, 1998 at 12:59:27AM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 1998 at 11:01:39AM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > maybe anybody feels like debugging the tcsh rpm. The lack of having > > a properly working csh keep several other packages from building > > without trickery. > > ok, I'm pretty close. After debugging tcsh for more than three hours, > it looks like this is a kernel bug. I've traced it down to the following > code in sh.proc.c: > > xprintf ("pp before sigpause %x\n",pp); > /* (void) sigpause(sigblock((sigmask_t) 0) &~ sigmask(SIGCHLD)); */ > (void) sigpause(omask & ~sigmask(SIGCHLD)); > xprintf ("pp after sigpause %x\n",pp); > > pp gets clobbered by sigpause. I'll have a fast look at the kernel, maybe > it's easy to spot the bug. Same result here, I found that even minimal modifications make the sympthoms go away. Sigpause() is a libc routine in libc/sysdeps/posix/sigpause.c; it's either using sigprocmask(2) or sigsuspend(2). Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 3 10:53:33 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA88698 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA01708 for linux-list; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:52:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA37571 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:52:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA21052 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:52:43 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from dredd.mcom.com (dredd.mcom.com [205.217.237.54]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01510 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by dredd.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA6B8B; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:52:37 -0700 Message-ID: <359D1A59.AEF22BB9@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:52:25 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Mozilla Dot Weenies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex deVries CC: SGI Linux Subject: Re: CREDITS... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 241 Lines: 10 Alex deVries wrote: > Mike Shaver - various kernel work (EFS, XFree86) The only two things I worked on that actually _worked_ so far have been some IRIX emulation and the ancient installer. Oh, and FedEx. =) Mike -- 259296.08 216110.18 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 3 15:41:18 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA00083 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA16027 for linux-list; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA48949 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:40:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA17120 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:40:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:40:23 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0ysEV5-002PUqC; Sat, 4 Jul 98 00:40 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA02740; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:37:29 +0200 Message-ID: <19980704003729.14342@alpha.franken.de> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:37:29 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: tcsh References: <19980622110139.F418@uni-koblenz.de> <19980703005927.48187@alpha.franken.de> <19980703165855.C435@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980703165855.C435@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Fri, Jul 03, 1998 at 04:58:55PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2051 Lines: 72 On Fri, Jul 03, 1998 at 04:58:55PM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > Sigpause() is a libc routine in libc/sysdeps/posix/sigpause.c; it's either > using sigprocmask(2) or sigsuspend(2). it's sigsuspend. And after looking at scall_o32.S and realizing that calling do_signal() needs to have the static registers saved/restored, the bug is obvious (I also had a look at the Alpha sys_sigsuspend). Below is a patch, which fixes tcsh and other programs, which use sigsupend. If everybody agrees with the patch, I'll check it in. Thomas. Index: scall_o32.S =================================================================== RCS file: /var/mips/linus/cvs/linux/arch/mips/kernel/scall_o32.S,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 scall_o32.S --- scall_o32.S 1998/03/27 04:47:55 1.3 +++ scall_o32.S 1998/07/03 22:32:56 @@ -98,6 +98,18 @@ jal schedule b o32_ret_from_sys_call +EXPORT(sys_sigsuspend) + SAVE_STATIC + jal do_sigsuspend + RESTORE_STATIC + b o32_ret_from_sys_call + +EXPORT(sys_rt_sigsuspend) + SAVE_STATIC + jal do_rt_sigsuspend + RESTORE_STATIC + b o32_ret_from_sys_call + /* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ */ trace_a_syscall: Index: signal.c =================================================================== RCS file: /var/mips/linus/cvs/linux/arch/mips/kernel/signal.c,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 signal.c --- signal.c 1998/04/05 11:23:53 1.12 +++ signal.c 1998/07/03 22:31:58 @@ -38,8 +38,8 @@ /* * Atomically swap in the new signal mask, and wait for a signal. */ -asmlinkage inline int -sys_sigsuspend(struct pt_regs regs) +int +do_sigsuspend(struct pt_regs regs) { sigset_t *uset, saveset, newset; @@ -62,8 +62,8 @@ } } -asmlinkage int -sys_rt_sigsuspend(struct pt_regs regs) +int +do_rt_sigsuspend(struct pt_regs regs) { sigset_t *uset, saveset, newset; -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 3 16:17:14 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA55613 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA21973 for linux-list; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:16:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA22683 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:16:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA23809 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:16:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@dali.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.1]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07445 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:16:30 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA03015; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:14:58 +0200 Message-ID: <19980704011456.A3011@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:14:56 +0200 To: Thomas Bogendoerfer Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: tcsh References: <19980622110139.F418@uni-koblenz.de> <19980703005927.48187@alpha.franken.de> <19980703165855.C435@uni-koblenz.de> <19980704003729.14342@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980704003729.14342@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Sat, Jul 04, 1998 at 12:37:29AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1570 Lines: 42 On Sat, Jul 04, 1998 at 12:37:29AM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > On Fri, Jul 03, 1998 at 04:58:55PM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > Sigpause() is a libc routine in libc/sysdeps/posix/sigpause.c; it's either > > using sigprocmask(2) or sigsuspend(2). > > it's sigsuspend. And after looking at scall_o32.S and realizing that > calling do_signal() needs to have the static registers saved/restored, > the bug is obvious (I also had a look at the Alpha sys_sigsuspend). Below > is a patch, which fixes tcsh and other programs, which use sigsupend. > If everybody agrees with the patch, I'll check it in. I've checked in a slightly different patch. I already had to deal with the problem of saving these registers for several other routines, so there is an inline function named save_static to do that job. Also it saves us some cycles and looks a bit more beautyful. Patch appended below. Ralf Index: arch/mips/kernel/signal.c =================================================================== RCS file: /src/ftp/cvs/linux/arch/mips/kernel/signal.c,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 signal.c --- signal.c 1998/04/05 11:23:53 1.12 +++ signal.c 1998/07/03 23:04:42 @@ -43,6 +43,7 @@ { sigset_t *uset, saveset, newset; + save_static(®s); uset = (sigset_t *) regs.regs[4]; if (copy_from_user(&newset, uset, sizeof(sigset_t))) return -EFAULT; @@ -67,6 +68,7 @@ { sigset_t *uset, saveset, newset; + save_static(®s); uset = (sigset_t *) regs.regs[4]; if (copy_from_user(&newset, uset, sizeof(sigset_t))) return -EFAULT; From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 4 17:33:36 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA60908 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA39899 for linux-list; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:32:53 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA04417 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:32:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id RAA27802 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:32:45 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-21.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.21]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01247 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:32:36 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA00807; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:31:29 +0200 Message-ID: <19980705023122.A737@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:31:22 +0200 To: Mike Shaver , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: mozilla on the Indy References: <359A447B.2D25377D@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <359A447B.2D25377D@netscape.com>; from Mike Shaver on Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 10:15:23AM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 23078 Lines: 712 --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 10:15:23AM -0400, Mike Shaver wrote: > I'm also taking donations of gdb. Look what I've found on my harddisk, I think you must be talking about this? Current directory is /home/ralf GNU gdb 4.17 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "mips-unknown-linux-gnu"... (gdb) break main Breakpoint 1 at 0x40092c: file c.c, line 5. (gdb) run Starting program: /ext/gdb-mips/c Cannot insert breakpoint -2: Temporarily disabling shared library breakpoints: -2 Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. 0x0 in ?? () from /lib/ld.so.1 (gdb) bt #0 0x0 in ?? () from /lib/ld.so.1 #1 0x400924 in main () at c.c:4 (gdb) A patch against the vanilla FSF gdb is appended. Use it, test it, tell me what's broken in it. You'll also need to apply a patch to the kernel include file , it's also appended. When testing think of it, it's crude first cut. Don't expect things to work to well. (Somebody interested in bringing the remote kernel debugging support upto speed again?) Ralf --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="gdb-4.17.diff" diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/bfd/config.bfd gdb-4.17/bfd/config.bfd --- gdb-4.17.orig/bfd/config.bfd Tue Apr 21 00:01:31 1998 +++ gdb-4.17/bfd/config.bfd Sun Jul 5 00:42:12 1998 @@ -427,11 +427,13 @@ ;; mips*el*-*-linux* | mips*el*-*-openbsd*) targ_defvec=bfd_elf32_littlemips_vec - targ_selvecs="bfd_elf32_bigmips_vec bfd_elf64_bigmips_vec bfd_elf64_littlemips_vec ecoff_little_vec ecoff_big_vec" + #targ_selvecs="bfd_elf32_bigmips_vec bfd_elf64_bigmips_vec bfd_elf64_littlemips_vec ecoff_little_vec ecoff_big_vec" + targ_selvecs="bfd_elf32_bigmips_vec ecoff_little_vec ecoff_big_vec" ;; mips*-*-linux* | mips*-*-openbsd*) targ_defvec=bfd_elf32_bigmips_vec - targ_selvecs="bfd_elf32_littlemips_vec bfd_elf64_bigmips_vec bfd_elf64_littlemips_vec ecoff_big_vec ecoff_little_vec" + #targ_selvecs="bfd_elf32_littlemips_vec bfd_elf64_bigmips_vec bfd_elf64_littlemips_vec ecoff_big_vec ecoff_little_vec" + targ_selvecs="bfd_elf32_littlemips_vec ecoff_big_vec ecoff_little_vec" ;; mn10200-*-*) Binary files gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/.mipslinux-nat.c.swp and gdb-4.17/gdb/.mipslinux-nat.c.swp differ diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/mips-linux.mh gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/mips-linux.mh --- gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/mips-linux.mh Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 +++ gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/mips-linux.mh Thu Jul 4 23:55:19 1996 @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +# Host: Big-endian MIPS running Linux +XDEPFILES= +XM_FILE= xm-linux.h +NAT_FILE= nm-linux.h +NATDEPFILES= infptrace.o inftarg.o mipslinux-nat.o corelow.o core-regset.o fork-child.o solib.o + +MMALLOC = +MMALLOC_CFLAGS = -DNO_MMALLOC diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/mips-linux.mt gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/mips-linux.mt --- gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/mips-linux.mt Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 +++ gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/mips-linux.mt Thu Jul 4 23:55:19 1996 @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +# Target: Big-endian MIPS +TDEPFILES= mips-tdep.o +TM_FILE= tm-linux.h diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/nm-linux.h gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/nm-linux.h --- gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/nm-linux.h Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 +++ gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/nm-linux.h Thu Jul 4 23:55:19 1996 @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +/* Definitions for native support of Linux/MIPS. + +Copyright (C) 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc. + +Contributed by David S. Miller (davem@caip.rutgers.edu) at +Rutgers University CAIP Research Center. + +This file is part of GDB. + +This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify +it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by +the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or +(at your option) any later version. + +This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, +but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of +MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the +GNU General Public License for more details. + +You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License +along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software +Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. */ + +#define GET_LONGJMP_TARGET(ADDR) get_longjmp_target(ADDR) +extern int +get_longjmp_target PARAMS ((CORE_ADDR *)); + +/* Tell gdb that we can attach and detach other processes */ +#define ATTACH_DETACH + +/* ptrace register ``addresses'' are absolute. */ + +#define U_REGS_OFFSET 0 + +#define PTRACE_ARG3_TYPE long + +/* ptrace transfers longs */ + +#define PTRACE_XFER_TYPE long + +/* Linux has shared libraries. */ + +#define GDB_TARGET_HAS_SHARED_LIBS +#define SVR4_SHARED_LIBS + +#include "solib.h" + +/* Wheee, really it is in stdio.h. */ + +#define PSIGNAL_IN_SIGNAL_H diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/tm-linux.h gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/tm-linux.h --- gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/tm-linux.h Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 +++ gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/tm-linux.h Thu Jul 4 23:55:19 1996 @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +/* Definitions to make GDB run on a MIPS box under Linux. The + definitions here are used when the _target_ system is running Linux. + Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc. + +This file is part of GDB. + +This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify +it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by +the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or +(at your option) any later version. + +This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, +but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of +MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the +GNU General Public License for more details. + +You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License +along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software +Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. */ + +#ifndef TM_MIPSLINUX_H +#define TM_MIPSLINUX_H + +#include "mips/tm-bigmips.h" + +/* Redefine register numbers for Linux. */ + +#undef NUM_REGS +#undef REGISTER_NAMES +#undef FP0_REGNUM +#undef PC_REGNUM +#undef PS_REGNUM +#undef HI_REGNUM +#undef LO_REGNUM +#undef CAUSE_REGNUM +#undef BADVADDR_REGNUM +#undef FCRCS_REGNUM +#undef FCRIR_REGNUM + +/* Number of machine registers */ + +#define NUM_REGS 71 + +/* Initializer for an array of names of registers. + There should be NUM_REGS strings in this initializer. */ + +#define REGISTER_NAMES \ + { "zero", "at", "v0", "v1", "a0", "a1", "a2", "a3", \ + "t0", "t1", "t2", "t3", "t4", "t5", "t6", "t7", \ + "s0", "s1", "s2", "s3", "s4", "s5", "s6", "s7", \ + "t8", "jp", "k0", "k1", "gp", "sp", "fp", "ra", \ + "f0", "f1", "f2", "f3", "f4", "f5", "f6", "f7", \ + "f8", "f9", "f10", "f11", "f12", "f13", "f14", "f15", \ + "f16", "f17", "f18", "f19", "f20", "f21", "f22", "f23",\ + "f24", "f25", "f26", "f27", "f28", "f29", "f30", "f31",\ + "pc", "cause", "badvaddr", "lo", "hi", "fsr", "fir" \ + } + +/* Register numbers of various important registers. + Note that some of these values are "real" register numbers, + and correspond to the general registers of the machine, + and some are "phony" register numbers which are too large + to be actual register numbers as far as the user is concerned + but do serve to get the desired values when passed to read_register. */ + +#define FP0_REGNUM 32 /* Floating point register 0 (single float) */ +#define PC_REGNUM 64 /* Contains program counter */ +#define CAUSE_REGNUM 65 /* describes last exception */ +#define BADVADDR_REGNUM 66 /* bad vaddr for addressing exception */ +#define LO_REGNUM 67 /* Multiple/divide temp */ +#define HI_REGNUM 68 /* ... */ +#define FCRCS_REGNUM 69 /* FP control/status */ +#define FCRIR_REGNUM 70 /* FP implementation/revision */ + +#define CANNOT_FETCH_REGISTER(regno) \ + ((regno) == FP_REGNUM || (regno) == ZERO_REGNUM) +#define CANNOT_STORE_REGISTER(regno) \ + ((regno) == FP_REGNUM || (regno) == ZERO_REGNUM) + +/* Must call functions within PIC code using $t9. */ +#undef Dest_Reg +#define Dest_Reg 25 + +/* Just like the Sparc, we do single stepping in software, this + feature does _not_ belong in the kernel as far as I'm concerned. */ + +#define NO_SINGLE_STEP 1 + +/* XXX TODO */ +#undef IN_SIGTRAMP +#define IN_SIGTRAMP(pc, name) (0) + +#endif /* TM_MIPSLINUX_H */ diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/tm-mips.h gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/tm-mips.h --- gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/tm-mips.h Thu Oct 9 22:26:08 1997 +++ gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/tm-mips.h Thu Jul 4 23:56:58 1996 @@ -121,8 +121,6 @@ #define INNER_THAN < -#define BIG_ENDIAN 4321 - /* Old-style breakpoint macros. The IDT board uses an unusual breakpoint value, and sometimes gets confused when it sees the usual MIPS breakpoint instruction. */ diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/xm-linux.h gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/xm-linux.h --- gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/config/mips/xm-linux.h Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 +++ gdb-4.17/gdb/config/mips/xm-linux.h Thu Jul 4 23:55:19 1996 @@ -0,0 +1,33 @@ +/* Definitions for Linux/MIPS hosting support. + +Copyright (C) 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc. + +Contributed by David S. Miller (davem@caip.rutgers.edu) at +Rutgers University CAIP Research Center. + +This file is part of GDB. + +This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify +it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by +the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or +(at your option) any later version. + +This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, +but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of +MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the +GNU General Public License for more details. + +You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License +along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software +Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. */ + +#if !defined (HOST_BYTE_ORDER) +#define HOST_BYTE_ORDER BIG_ENDIAN +#endif + +/* The mips has no siginterrupt routine. */ +#define NO_SIGINTERRUPT + +#define HAVE_TERMIOS +#define HAVE_SIGSETMASK 1 +#define USG diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/configure.host gdb-4.17/gdb/configure.host --- gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/configure.host Thu Apr 16 23:29:58 1998 +++ gdb-4.17/gdb/configure.host Sun Jul 5 00:21:40 1998 @@ -114,6 +114,7 @@ # Close enough for now. mips-sgi-irix6*) gdb_host=irix5 ;; mips-sony-*) gdb_host=news-mips ;; +mips-*-linux*) gdb_host=mips-linux ;; mips-*-mach3*) gdb_host=mipsm3 ;; mips-*-sysv4*) gdb_host=mipsv4 ;; mips-*-sysv*) gdb_host=riscos ;; diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/configure.tgt gdb-4.17/gdb/configure.tgt --- gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/configure.tgt Thu Apr 16 23:29:59 1998 +++ gdb-4.17/gdb/configure.tgt Sun Jul 5 00:25:31 1998 @@ -187,6 +187,7 @@ mips*-sgi-irix6*) gdb_target=irix5 ;; mips*-sgi-*) gdb_target=irix3 ;; mips*-sony-*) gdb_target=bigmips ;; +mips*-*-linux*) gdb_target=mips-linux ;; mips*-*-mach3*) gdb_target=mipsm3 ;; mips*-*-sysv4*) gdb_target=mipsv4 ;; mips*-*-sysv*) gdb_target=bigmips ;; diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/mips-nat.c gdb-4.17/gdb/mips-nat.c --- gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/mips-nat.c Mon Sep 9 05:01:42 1996 +++ gdb-4.17/gdb/mips-nat.c Thu Jul 4 23:55:19 1996 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -/* Low level DECstation interface to ptrace, for GDB when running native. +/* Low level Linux & DECstation interface to ptrace, for GDB when running native. Copyright 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Contributed by Alessandro Forin(af@cs.cmu.edu) at CMU and by Per Bothner(bothner@cs.wisc.edu) at U.Wisconsin. @@ -23,6 +23,10 @@ #include "inferior.h" #include "gdbcore.h" #include +#ifdef __linux__ +# include +# include +#endif #include #include #include diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/mips-tdep.c gdb-4.17/gdb/mips-tdep.c --- gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/mips-tdep.c Wed Dec 17 20:46:10 1997 +++ gdb-4.17/gdb/mips-tdep.c Thu Jul 4 23:55:19 1996 @@ -1500,6 +1500,148 @@ /* MASK(i,j) == (1<= NUMOPCODES) + return 0; + if((mips_opcodes[i].pinfo & INSN_BRANCH_BITS) == 0) + return 0; + + /* We've got one. */ + if (mips_opcodes[i].name[0] != 'j') + { + /* The easy PC-relative branch case. */ + delta = (insn & 0xffff); + if(delta & 0x8000) + delta |= ~0xffff; + *target = (CORE_ADDR) (((long)pc) + ((delta << 2) + 4)); + } + else + { + /* It's a jump, slightly more difficult. */ + if(mips_opcodes[i].pinfo & INSN_READ_GPR_S) + { + int target_regno; + + /* Target is source register. */ + target_regno = (insn >> OP_SH_RS) & OP_MASK_RS; + *target = (CORE_ADDR) read_register (target_regno); + } + else + { + CORE_ADDR target_part; + + /* Target is low order 26 bits of insn, shifted left by 2, and + or'd with the high order bits of pc. */ + target_part = ((insn >> OP_SH_TARGET) & OP_MASK_TARGET) << 2; + *target = ((pc & 0xf0000000) | target_part); + } + } + return 1; +} + +static CORE_ADDR next_pc, target; +typedef char binsn_quantum[BREAKPOINT_MAX]; +static binsn_quantum break_mem[2]; + +/* Non-zero if we just simulated a single-step ptrace call. This is + needed because we cannot remove the breakpoints in the inferior + process until after the `wait' in `wait_for_inferior'. */ + +int one_stepped; + +/* This is so that the code below knows whether we need to clear one, + or two breakpoints when the inferior resumes. */ + +static int doing_branch = 0; + +/* single_step() is called just before we want to resume the inferior, + if we want to single-step it but there is no hardware or kernel single-step + support (MIPS on Linux for example). We find all the possible targets of + the coming instruction and breakpoint them. + + single_step is also called just after the inferior stops. If we had + set up a simulated single-step, we undo our damage. */ + +void +single_step (ignore) + enum target_signal ignore; /* pid, but we don't need it */ +{ + CORE_ADDR pc; + long pc_instruction; + int br; + + if (!one_stepped) + { + pc = read_register (PC_REGNUM); + pc_instruction = read_memory_integer (pc, 4); + br = isbranch (pc_instruction, pc, &target); + + if (br) + { + /* Breakpoint at target of branch and 2 insns + later as well. If the branch is to itself + the best we can do is wait for it to fall + out on us. */ + if(target != pc) + { + target_insert_breakpoint(target, break_mem[1]); + doing_branch = 1; + } + else + { + doing_branch = 0; + } + next_pc = pc + 8; + target_insert_breakpoint(next_pc, break_mem[0]); + } + else + { + /* Just the very next instruction needs a break. */ + doing_branch = 0; + next_pc = pc + 4; + target_insert_breakpoint(next_pc, break_mem[0]); + } + + /* We are ready to let it go */ + one_stepped = 1; + return; + } + else + { + /* Remove breakpoints */ + target_remove_breakpoint (next_pc, break_mem[0]); + + if (doing_branch) + { + target_remove_breakpoint (target, break_mem[1]); + } + + one_stepped = 0; + } +} + +#endif /* NO_SINGLE_STEP */ + void mips_push_dummy_frame() { diff -urN gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/mipslinux-nat.c gdb-4.17/gdb/mipslinux-nat.c --- gdb-4.17.orig/gdb/mipslinux-nat.c Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 +++ gdb-4.17/gdb/mipslinux-nat.c Sun Jul 5 01:42:13 1998 @@ -0,0 +1,193 @@ +/* Low level MIPS/Linux interface, for GDB when running native. + Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc. + Contributed by David S. Miller (davem@caip.rutgers.edu) at + Rutgers University CAIP Research Center. + +This file is part of GDB. + +This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify +it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by +the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or +(at your option) any later version. + +This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, +but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of +MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the +GNU General Public License for more details. + +You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License +along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software +Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. */ + +#define __timespec_defined /* Yuck ... */ +#include + +#include "defs.h" +#include "inferior.h" +#include "gdbcore.h" +#include "target.h" +#include "gdb_string.h" +#include "symtab.h" +#include "bfd.h" +#include "symfile.h" +#include "objfiles.h" +#include "command.h" +#include "frame.h" +#include "gnu-regex.h" +#include "inferior.h" +#include "language.h" +#include "gdbcmd.h" +#include +//#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include + +#include /* For JB_PC and friends. */ + +/* Size of elements in jmpbuf */ + +#define JB_ELEMENT_SIZE 4 + +/* Figure out where the longjmp will land. + We expect the first arg to be a pointer to the jmp_buf structure from which + we extract the pc (JB_PC) that we will land at. The pc is copied into PC. + This routine returns true on success. */ + +int +get_longjmp_target(pc) + CORE_ADDR *pc; +{ + CORE_ADDR jb_addr; + char buf[TARGET_PTR_BIT / TARGET_CHAR_BIT]; + + jb_addr = read_register (A0_REGNUM); + + if (target_read_memory (jb_addr + JB_PC * JB_ELEMENT_SIZE, buf, + TARGET_PTR_BIT / TARGET_CHAR_BIT)) + return 0; + + *pc = extract_address (buf, TARGET_PTR_BIT / TARGET_CHAR_BIT); + + return 1; +} + +/* + * See the comment in m68k-tdep.c regarding the utility of these functions. + * + * These definitions are from the MIPS SVR4 ABI, so they may work for + * any MIPS SVR4 target. + */ + +void +supply_gregset (gregsetp) + gregset_t *gregsetp; +{ + register int regi; + register unsigned int *regp = (unsigned int *) &(*gregsetp)[0]; + static char zerobuf[MAX_REGISTER_RAW_SIZE] = {0}; + + for (regi = EF_REG0; regi <= EF_LO; regi++) + supply_register ((regi - EF_REG0), (char *)(regp + regi)); + + supply_register(PC_REGNUM, (char *)(regp + EF_CP0_EPC)); + supply_register(CAUSE_REGNUM, (char *)(regp + EF_CP0_CAUSE)); + supply_register(BADVADDR_REGNUM, (char *)(regp + EF_CP0_BADVADDR)); + supply_register(LO_REGNUM, (char *)(regp + EF_LO)); + supply_register(HI_REGNUM, (char *)(regp + EF_HI)); + + /* Fill inaccessible registers with zero. */ + supply_register (FP_REGNUM, zerobuf); + supply_register (UNUSED_REGNUM, zerobuf); +} + +void +fill_gregset (gregsetp, regno) + gregset_t *gregsetp; + int regno; +{ + int regi; + register unsigned int *regp = (unsigned int *) &(*gregsetp)[0]; + + for (regi = 0; regi <= (EF_SIZE / 4); regi++) + if ((regno == -1) || (regno == regi)) + *(regp + regi) = *(unsigned int *) ®isters[REGISTER_BYTE (regi)]; +} + +/* Now we do the same thing for floating-point registers. + * We don't bother to condition on FP0_REGNUM since any + * reasonable MIPS configuration has an R3010 in it. + * + * Again, see the comments in m68k-tdep.c. + */ + +void +supply_fpregset (fpregsetp) + fpregset_t *fpregsetp; +{ + register int regi; + static char zerobuf[MAX_REGISTER_RAW_SIZE] = {0}; + + for (regi = 0; regi < 32; regi++) + supply_register (FP0_REGNUM + regi, + (char *)&fpregsetp[regi]); + + supply_register (FCRCS_REGNUM, (char *)&fpregsetp[32]); + + /* FIXME: how can we supply FCRIR_REGNUM? The ABI doesn't tell us. */ + supply_register (FCRIR_REGNUM, zerobuf); +} + +void +fill_fpregset (fpregsetp, regno) + fpregset_t *fpregsetp; + int regno; +{ + int regi; + char *from, *to; + + for (regi = FP0_REGNUM; regi < FP0_REGNUM + 32; regi++) + { + if ((regno == -1) || (regno == regi)) + { + from = (char *) ®isters[REGISTER_BYTE (regi)]; + to = (char *) &(fpregsetp[regi - FP0_REGNUM]); + memcpy(to, from, REGISTER_RAW_SIZE (regi)); + } + } + +#if 0 + if ((regno == -1) || (regno == FCRCS_REGNUM)) + fpregsetp[32] = *(unsigned int *) ®isters[REGISTER_BYTE(FCRCS_REGNUM)]; +#endif +} + +/* Map gdb internal register number to ptrace ``address''. + These ``addresses'' are defined in */ + +#define REGISTER_PTRACE_ADDR(regno) \ + (regno < 32 ? regno \ + : regno == PC_REGNUM ? PC \ + : regno == CAUSE_REGNUM ? CAUSE \ + : regno == HI_REGNUM ? MMHI \ + : regno == LO_REGNUM ? MMLO \ + : regno == FCRCS_REGNUM ? FPC_CSR \ + : regno == FCRIR_REGNUM ? FPC_EIR \ + : regno >= FP0_REGNUM ? FPR_BASE + (regno - FP0_REGNUM) \ + : 0) + +/* Return the ptrace ``address'' of register REGNO. */ + +CORE_ADDR +register_addr (regno, blockend) + int regno; + CORE_ADDR blockend; +{ + if(regno < 0 || regno >= NUM_REGS) + error ("Bogon register number %d.", regno); + + return REGISTER_PTRACE_ADDR (regno); +} --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ptrace-patch diff -urN linux-2.0.30.orig/include/asm-mips/ptrace.h linux-2.0.30/include/asm-mips/ptrace.h --- linux-2.0.30.orig/include/asm-mips/ptrace.h Sat Oct 11 21:13:51 1997 +++ linux-2.0.30/include/asm-mips/ptrace.h Sun Jul 5 01:52:05 1998 @@ -15,6 +15,14 @@ #include +#define PC 0 +#define CAUSE 1 +#define MMLO 3 +#define MMHI 4 +#define FPC_CSR 5 /* XXX */ +#define FPC_EIR 4 /* XXX */ +#define FPR_BASE 5 /* XXX */ + #ifndef __ASSEMBLY__ /* * This struct defines the way the registers are stored on the stack during a @@ -59,6 +67,6 @@ extern void (*show_regs)(struct pt_regs *); #endif /* !(__ASSEMBLY__) */ -#endif +#endif /* __KERNEL__ */ #endif /* __ASM_MIPS_PTRACE_H */ --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 5 02:26:48 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA90458 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA69215 for linux-list; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:26:08 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA29031 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:26:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA54262 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:26:05 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199807050926.CAA54262@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Network Computing Linux cluelessness To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 583 Lines: 22 Oh my dear, http://www.networkcomputing.com/forms/poll.html Network Computing Poll ---------------------- "Is Intel's Linux In Or Out? Linux is a little like the weather: Everyone talks about it, but no one does anything about it. Or do you?" Nice to see a respectable mainstream trade magazine finally taking a note of Linux but how clueless can they be? "Intel's"? "Now that it is [finally] commercially available", "Open Consortium?" If you have a minute, I suggest you go to that web page, give them your vote and clue them in... (I just did :-). -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 5 22:48:01 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA19184 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA14615 for linux-list; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:46:58 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA82592 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:46:55 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (helix.life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.34]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA02151 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:46:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA00510; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:46:48 +0800 Message-ID: <19980706134646.A506@life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:46:46 +0800 From: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, Bob Kozdemba Subject: Re: installer swap problem References: <3592D796.C43C35C5@sgi.com> <19980626073608.03672@life.nthu.edu.tw> <3593A8B5.640ACFF9@sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <3593A8B5.640ACFF9@sgi.com>; from Bob Kozdemba on Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 09:57:09AM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 365 Lines: 11 On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 09:57:09AM -0400, Bob Kozdemba wrote: > Francis M.J. Hsieh wrote: > After pressing OK, I am back to where I started and it will not let > me continue. > > How did you manage to get past this point ? I got the same problem when I trying to install it on system disk, I am not sure if this is the cause. Just for you information. - Francis From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 6 10:40:14 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA85881 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA43900 for linux-list; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:39:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA59270 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:39:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA15437 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:39:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27602 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.0b2 ) with ESMTP id 0EVOP1O0.029; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:39:24 -0700 Message-ID: <35A10B96.9B47C150@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:38:30 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Mozilla Dot Weenies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: mozilla on the Indy References: <359A447B.2D25377D@netscape.com> <19980702041137.I3255@uni-koblenz.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 640 Lines: 19 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > Now that I've taken myself two minutes to browse your attached sources - > the patches to the NSPR thread routines look suspicious. The are > playing games with the frame pointer which at least on the first look > don't make sense as gcc automatically enables -fomit-frame-pointer when > optimizing. Turns out it's there only to save the FP so that you can use gdb to look at the NSPR thread stacks during debugging. So, the fact that gcc removes it when building optimized isn't a problem. For the record, NSPR threads aren't clone() threads; they're setjmp/longjmp things. Mike -- 517588.35 442847.89 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 6 11:33:03 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA02158 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA35149 for linux-list; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:32:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA04123 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:32:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA10399 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from uhland (ralf@uhland.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.63]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA10856; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:31:56 +0200 (MEST) Received: by uhland (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id UAA06464; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:31:54 +0200 Message-ID: <19980706203153.03930@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:31:53 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Mike Shaver Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: mozilla on the Indy References: <359A447B.2D25377D@netscape.com> <19980702041137.I3255@uni-koblenz.de> <35A10B96.9B47C150@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <35A10B96.9B47C150@netscape.com>; from Mike Shaver on Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 01:38:30PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 776 Lines: 19 On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 01:38:30PM -0400, Mike Shaver wrote: > ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > Now that I've taken myself two minutes to browse your attached sources - > > the patches to the NSPR thread routines look suspicious. The are > > playing games with the frame pointer which at least on the first look > > don't make sense as gcc automatically enables -fomit-frame-pointer when > > optimizing. > > Turns out it's there only to save the FP so that you can use gdb to look > at the NSPR thread stacks during debugging. So, the fact that gcc > removes it when building optimized isn't a problem. > > For the record, NSPR threads aren't clone() threads; they're > setjmp/longjmp things. Usless effort, on MIPS debugging works without having a frame pointer. RalF From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 7 07:09:18 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA30141 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA41630 for linux-list; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:08:32 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA66959 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:08:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA15937 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:08:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from zaphod (ralf@zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18529 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:08:18 +0200 (MEST) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id QAA11750; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:08:16 +0200 Message-ID: <19980707160815.43123@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:08:15 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Make money fast ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 334 Lines: 11 (Sorry, but coming up with new subject lines for every mail is sooo annoying ;-) More things to be commited asap: - I've implemented a useable driver for /dev/rtc, some of the more interesting features are still missing. - The power button on the front panel is now supported. - Single stepping in GDB is now working. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 9 06:18:27 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA82293 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA33750 for linux-list; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:17:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA59082 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:17:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id GAA18041 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09736 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:17:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13546 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:17:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02524 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:17:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807091317.PAA02524@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Lmbench for RH 5.1 In-Reply-To: <19980624090439.B1937@w3.org> from Daniel Veillard at "Jun 24, 98 09:04:39 am" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:17:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 879 Lines: 22 Hello, I wanted to do benchmarks on my Indy. The versions 1.0 and 1.1 fail when compiling lat_ctx.c with assembler messages: Error: Branch out of range on lines 4189 and 40323. When I try to compile it with -O2, it starts optimizing but doesn't seem to finish. The version 2beta6 of lmbench complains about missing linux/autoconf.h. This is RH 5.1 Alpha 1 installer with Alpha 2 RPM's placed over the Alpha 1 ones, with gcc from redhat-5.0 (Alex, we should put gcc to the distribution). Do you have any idea what to do with any of these problems? Or do you have precompiled lmbench somewhere? Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 9 06:40:48 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA89773 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA55017 for linux-list; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:40:03 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA81500 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:40:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id GAA24761 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:39:23 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from zaphod (ralf@zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03362; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:39:22 +0200 (MEST) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id PAA28602; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:39:20 +0200 Message-ID: <19980709153920.50904@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:39:20 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Honza Pazdziora Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Lmbench for RH 5.1 References: <19980624090439.B1937@w3.org> <199807091317.PAA02524@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199807091317.PAA02524@aisa.fi.muni.cz>; from Honza Pazdziora on Thu, Jul 09, 1998 at 03:17:22PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1692 Lines: 41 On Thu, Jul 09, 1998 at 03:17:22PM +0200, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > I wanted to do benchmarks on my Indy. The versions 1.0 and 1.1 fail > when compiling lat_ctx.c with assembler messages: > Error: Branch out of range on lines 4189 and 40323. When I try to This is a GAS problem, I doesn't know how to express branches beyond the 16 bit range of a branch instruction as machine instructions. Newer lmbench versions don't run into that GAS problem anymore. > compile it with -O2, it starts optimizing but doesn't seem to finish. Don't optimize lmbench, the compiler might decide to just throw parts of lmbench away producing awsome results. lat_ctx optimized with -O2 hits GCC on one of it's weak points, it will finish to optimize but will need very long. > The version 2beta6 of lmbench complains about missing > linux/autoconf.h. You probably ran make distclean on the kernel source tree? Don't, best leave the kernel source tree configured around, so just use make clean. The question what is trying to use autoconf.h for what reason remains; user code isn't supposed to use this file. (Alex: the kernel source rpm should be installed configured, especially including autoconf.h for compatibility.) > This is RH 5.1 Alpha 1 installer with Alpha 2 RPM's placed over the > Alpha 1 ones, with gcc from redhat-5.0 (Alex, we should put gcc > to the distribution). Do you have any idea what to do with any > of these problems? Or do you have precompiled lmbench somewhere? No, because lmbench normally builds just out of the box. (The networking code for the kernel which is going to ship with RH has a couple of crude fixed due to lack of time, don't benchmark to hard ...) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 9 06:47:52 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA90419 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA03712 for linux-list; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:47:23 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA48305 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:47:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id GAA27522 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:47:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10899; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:47:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15199; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:47:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03503; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:47:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807091347.PAA03503@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Lmbench for RH 5.1 In-Reply-To: <19980709153920.50904@uni-koblenz.de> from "ralf@uni-koblenz.de" at "Jul 9, 98 03:39:20 pm" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:47:13 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 923 Lines: 20 > > > The version 2beta6 of lmbench complains about missing > > linux/autoconf.h. > > You probably ran make distclean on the kernel source tree? Don't, best > leave the kernel source tree configured around, so just use make clean. > > The question what is trying to use autoconf.h for what reason remains; > user code isn't supposed to use this file. Hmm, I got the default kernel from kernel/v2.1 and just unpacked it to get the others *.h files (linux and asm). I do not have the SGI kernel -- it is somewhere available? Alex said he will pack the sources as RPM with configuration but I cannot find it on linus' ftp -- is it somewhere there? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 9 06:54:07 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA51935 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA91317 for linux-list; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA22255 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:53:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id GAA29565 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:53:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from zaphod (ralf@zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04844; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:53:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id PAA29810; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:53:30 +0200 Message-ID: <19980709155330.61627@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:53:30 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Honza Pazdziora Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Lmbench for RH 5.1 References: <19980709153920.50904@uni-koblenz.de> <199807091347.PAA03503@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199807091347.PAA03503@aisa.fi.muni.cz>; from Honza Pazdziora on Thu, Jul 09, 1998 at 03:47:13PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 740 Lines: 17 On Thu, Jul 09, 1998 at 03:47:13PM +0200, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > > The question what is trying to use autoconf.h for what reason remains; > > user code isn't supposed to use this file. > > Hmm, I got the default kernel from kernel/v2.1 and just unpacked it to > get the others *.h files (linux and asm). I do not have the SGI kernel > -- it is somewhere available? Alex said he will pack the sources as > RPM with configuration but I cannot find it on linus' ftp -- is it > somewhere there? Of course it is available, this is free software! Snapshots from our CVS and binaries are in /pub/test/; I think we currently only have them as tarballs, not in rpm format. You can also access the CVS directly by using anonymous CVS. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 9 09:08:58 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA86554 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA00262 for linux-list; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:07:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA74836 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:07:51 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (grimsy@zigzegv.ml.org) Received: from ballyhoo.ml.org ([194.236.80.80]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA17891 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:07:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (grimsy@zigzegv.ml.org) Received: from calypso.saturn ([130.244.94.56]) by ballyhoo.ml.org with smtp (ident grimsy using rfc1413) id m0yuJBm-000xhRC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:04:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:06:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: Honza Pazdziora , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Lmbench for RH 5.1 In-Reply-To: <19980709155330.61627@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1157 Lines: 30 On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Thu, Jul 09, 1998 at 03:47:13PM +0200, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > > > > The question what is trying to use autoconf.h for what reason remains; > > > user code isn't supposed to use this file. > > > > Hmm, I got the default kernel from kernel/v2.1 and just unpacked it to > > get the others *.h files (linux and asm). I do not have the SGI kernel > > -- it is somewhere available? Alex said he will pack the sources as > > RPM with configuration but I cannot find it on linus' ftp -- is it > > somewhere there? > > Of course it is available, this is free software! Snapshots from our CVS > and binaries are in /pub/test/; I think we currently only have them as > tarballs, not in rpm format. You can also access the CVS directly by > using anonymous CVS. The kernel source is availible in RPM format in /pub/redhat/devel/RPMS/kernel-headers-2.1.99-0.1.mipseb.rpm /pub/redhat/devel/RPMS/kernel-source-2.1.99-0.1.mipseb.rpm I think kernel-headers-2.1.99-0.1.mipseb.rpm would be enough for your needs. I have used this kernel source and it compiles fine with the gcc cross compiler for x86. FYI - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 9 14:32:57 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA32990 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA24619 for linux-list; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:31:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from morgaine.engr.sgi.com (morgaine.engr.sgi.com [130.62.16.64]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA89157 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@morgaine.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from offer@localhost) by morgaine.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA01265 for linux; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: offer@morgaine.engr.sgi.com (Richard Offer) Message-Id: <9807091431.ZM98717@sgi.com> X-Signature: Automatically generated by Richards Own Mail Signer (roms) X-Home-Page: http://reality.sgi.com/offer X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@morgaine.engr.sgi.com Subject: (Fwd) Business This Week July 4th - July 10th 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1189 Lines: 38 For those who don't know the Economist, its a heavy-weight weekly newspaper aimed at international businesses/economics/politics. richard. --- Forwarded mail from The Economist IN THE ECONOMIST THIS WEEK Once again, Russia is on the brink of disaster. On balance, it makes sense to help, but the issue is far from clear-cut * Dangerous curves ahead for the American and British economies * Despair and violence in Nigeria * The tobacco wars light up again * The Linux operating system * Forensic ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ scientists need to become more scientific * Dr Tatiana's prize-winning sex-advice column * You can read these articles, and many more, in the free area of The Economist Web Edition, at http://www.economist.com. Subscribers can also read 60 more new articles. ---End of forwarded mail from The Economist ______________________________________________________________________ essentials: n. A jug of wine, a loaf of bread, my Marin, a frisbee, and thou. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 9 16:08:06 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA56481 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA67580 for linux-list; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:06:56 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from morgaine.engr.sgi.com (morgaine.engr.sgi.com [130.62.16.64]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA22495 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:06:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@morgaine.engr.sgi.com) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (gate3-relay.engr.sgi.com [130.62.1.234]) by morgaine.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA86013; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA79685; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA24279; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:06:48 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24300; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.0b2 ) with ESMTP id 0EVUMDL0.00W; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:21 -0700 Message-ID: <35A54368.DBF13733@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:25:44 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Mozilla Dot Weenies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Offer CC: linux@morgaine.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) Business This Week July 4th - July 10th 1998 References: <9807091431.ZM98717@sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 465 Lines: 17 Richard Offer wrote: > For those who don't know the Economist, its a heavy-weight weekly newspaper > aimed at international businesses/economics/politics. > > IN THE ECONOMIST THIS WEEK > tobacco wars light up again * The Linux operating system * Forensic > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Heh. Let me assure you...getting the Economist folks in touch with Linus was no small task. =) Mike -- 794110.24 679877.77 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 9 16:19:54 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA95140 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA82768 for linux-list; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:18:41 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from morgaine.engr.sgi.com (morgaine.engr.sgi.com [130.62.16.64]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA04806 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:18:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@morgaine.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from offer@localhost) by morgaine.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA03805 for linux; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:18:38 -0700 (PDT) From: offer@morgaine.engr.sgi.com (Richard Offer) Message-Id: <9807091618.ZM99470@sgi.com> In-Reply-To: Mike Shaver "Re: (Fwd) Business This Week July 4th - July 10th 1998" (Jul 9, 6:25pm) References: <9807091431.ZM98717@sgi.com> <35A54368.DBF13733@netscape.com> X-Signature: Automatically generated by Richards Own Mail Signer (roms) X-Home-Page: http://reality.sgi.com/offer X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@morgaine.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Business This Week July 4th - July 10th 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1061 Lines: 31 * $ from shaver@netscape.com at "9-Jul: 6:25pm" | sed "1,$s/^/* /" * * * Richard Offer wrote: * > For those who don't know the Economist, its a heavy-weight weekly newspaper * > aimed at international businesses/economics/politics. * > * > IN THE ECONOMIST THIS WEEK * > tobacco wars light up again * The Linux operating system * Forensic * > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * * Heh. * Let me assure you...getting the Economist folks in touch with Linus was * no small task. =) Its a fair report, all things considered (ie, its not a geeky paper). They have recently take an anti-MS line (a U-turn from their original view), and Gates was asked to respond to their article. His response generated a huge number of letters all pro open-systems. * Mike richard (mine didn't get published ;-( ) ______________________________________________________________________ "Mr Sad & Lonely" and "Oh, to have a real life" are trademarks of Sad & Lonely Un-Ltd, a division of Richard's Life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 10 00:22:05 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA21705 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA12607 for linux-list; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:21:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA79818 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:21:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id AAA11042 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:21:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA20801 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:21:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:21:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: hard hat linux... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 420 Lines: 18 Just so you all know, with the help of people like Mike Shaver, Josh Lamorie and Ralf Baechle, I finished what Red Hat will now press on CD just a few minutes ago. It's definitely not perfect, but getting our work on CD is a big step in the right direction. Many thanks to everyone who contributed for making this possible. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 10 15:19:36 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA36267 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA25550 for linux-list; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:18:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA90437 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:18:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA09900 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:18:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (root@pmport-22.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.22]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25341 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:18:03 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA11598; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:49:31 +0200 Message-ID: <19980710214931.F10756@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:49:31 +0200 To: Alex deVries Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: GCC bug Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 280 Lines: 9 Alex, I fixed a stupid GCC bug. As a result the package f2c, flex and ncurses-4 will have to be rebuilt using the new GCC or building new programs using the libraries provided by these packages may not be possible any longer. I'll send you an updated gcc package asap. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 11 19:14:20 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA46659 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA78530 for linux-list; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:13:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA48028 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:13:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (veillard@rufus.w3.org) Received: from rufus.w3.org (rufus.w3.org [18.29.0.66]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA14190 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:43:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (veillard@rufus.w3.org) Received: (from veillard@localhost) by rufus.w3.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA07990 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: <19980711134329.B7620@w3.org> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:43:29 -0400 From: Daniel Veillard To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Is SGILinux-5.0 obsolete ? Reply-To: Daniel.Veillard@w3.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93 Organization: World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1148 Lines: 21 I now have both SGILinux-5.0 and SGILinux-5.1 archived on rufus.w3.org and my feeling is that the 5.0 packages don't need anymore public exposure (plus there are a couple of broken RPM in the 5.0 distrib). So I'm thinking about removing the 5.0 distrib from the mirrors, HTML output and rpmfind database. Opinions ? Also I may be able to grab and reinstall an old Indy at the end of the month, but it has only a 1 Gig internal HD with a single IRIX partition, I'm not sure I will be able to grab an external drive. In such a situation is it possible to install SGILinux ? My limited understanding of the situation is that the ROM loader only understand Irix partition format and then to load the kernel one need to keep it in such a partition, in that case it seems I will have a hard time without using a second drive for Linux install, right ? Daniel -- Daniel.Veillard@w3.org | W3C MIT/LCS NE43-344 | Today's Bookmarks : Tel : +1 617 253 5884 | 545 Technology Square | Linux, WWW, rpm2html, Fax : +1 617 258 5999 | Cambridge, MA 02139 USA | badminton, Kaffe, http://www.w3.org/People/W3Cpeople.html#Veillard | HTTP-NG and Amaya. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 11 20:14:51 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA71124 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA42894 for linux-list; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:14:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA29250 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:14:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA27888 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:12:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-04.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.4]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26292 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:12:11 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA14625; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:10:55 +0200 Message-ID: <19980711211054.N10756@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:10:54 +0200 To: shaver@netscape.com Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: NAN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 654 Lines: 14 I looked about around and found comments in some source code that according to IEEE 754 apparently the result of converting a NAN to an integer is unspecified. I wrote a small test program that casts a double NAN into unsigned int. On Linux/i386 + GNU libc the result is zero. An equivalent program running under IRIX returns MAXINT, that's 2^31 - 1. Since even making the aliens land on earth would be a strictly IEEE 754 conformant result or maybe somewhat closer to the reality, treating the conversion operation as a nop therefore probably resulting in a random result, I think the part of Mozilla which dies is buggy and should be fixed. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 11 18:54:28 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA88979 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA39896 for linux-list; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:53:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA98287 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:53:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA27835 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:24:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA08799 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:24:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:24:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: volume header fs... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 253 Lines: 14 What is on a volume header file system? Is it EFS or something else? I was thinking about writing such a driver so we could easily put Linux kernels there. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 03:13:10 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA55009 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 03:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA12519 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 03:13:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA55020 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 03:13:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA28601 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:16:57 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-02.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.2]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02767 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:48:06 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA17158; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:44:55 +0200 Message-ID: <19980712104454.Q10756@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:44:54 +0200 To: Alex deVries , SGI Linux Subject: Re: volume header fs... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 06:24:09PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1031 Lines: 25 On Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 06:24:09PM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > What is on a volume header file system? Is it EFS or something else? The ``MIPS disk volume header'' used by IRIX machines provides only a very simple filesystem. Names are limited to 8 characters, files cannot be fragmented etc. The later property implies makes it somewhat tricky to implement a writeable filesystem for this volumeheader. > I was thinking about writing such a driver so we could easily put Linux > kernels there. Better write tools analog to dvhtool and fx that can be operated from command line. They're easier to implement. The actual boot loader best goes into something like sash that is small, resides in the volume header knows how to read ext2 or whatever filesystems. Libext2 is your friend. Which reminds me, the SGI people have been discussing long time ago whether to contribute SGI's sash sources such that writing a Linux sash would be easier. Has this discussion ever come to an actual conclusion and if so, what? Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 03:09:55 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA97129 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 03:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA94070 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 03:09:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA08308 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 03:09:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de ([193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA01373 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:35:57 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:35:55 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0yvIXs-002Or9C; Sun, 12 Jul 98 11:35 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA00851; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:29:49 +0200 Message-ID: <19980712112949.25350@alpha.franken.de> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:29:49 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: One good and some bad news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2462 Lines: 61 Hi, first the good news: Yesterday XF68_FBDev showed the first ugly gray X11 screen on my Olivetti M700. Yeah ! But after killing the X server, I've got a dbe in check_tty_count. This was the first bad news. To get XF68_FBDev to work, I had to discover, that the logic with MAP_MASK is broken. When you look in memory.c in function remap_pte_range(), you will find following: mapnr = MAP_NR(__va(phys_addr)); if (mapnr >= max_mapnr || PageReserved(mem_map+mapnr)) set_pte(pte, mk_pte_phys(phys_addr, prot)); These works perfect for addresses in the first 512MB of address space (MAP_MASK is 0x1fffffff), but it fails when you use 0x40000000 (frame buffer address of the Olli). My first shot to fix that, was to use 0x7fffffff MAP_MASK, but resulted in a not working kernel, no idea why. To cludge this problem I've changed the code: mapnr = MAP_NR(__va(phys_addr)); if (mapnr >= max_mapnr || PageReserved(mem_map+mapnr)) set_pte(pte, mk_pte_phys(phys_addr, prot)); if (phys_addr > MAP_MASK) set_pte(pte, mk_pte_phys(__va(phys_addr), prot)); This works, but as this is common Linux code, Linus will never accept it, even with a #ifdef __mips__ around the second if. While writing this mail, I got an idea. Would it work, when we change MAP_NR to something like: #define MAP_NR(addr) (((addr) > MAP_MASK) ? 0xffffffff : \ ((((unsigned long)(addr)) & MAP_MASK) >> PAGE_SHIFT)) I'll try it later. Another bad news, I've tried to build egcs. egcs itself build fine, but when linking the shared library libstdc++, ld bombs out with a signal 6. As I was still using binutils-2.8.1, I've compiled bintuils-2.9.1.0.4. But the problem remains the same. I hope to get the gdb fixes from Ralf, to look at this problem. Binutils 2.9.1.0.4 seem to work ok, but I get following messages, when linking programs: ld: Warning: type of symbol `_fini' changed from 1 to 2 in /usr/lib/crti.o ld: Warning: type of symbol `_gp_disp' changed from 1 to 3 in /lib/libc.so.6 I guess, it will go way, when I rebuild glibc with the new binutils, but can someone explain to me, what's the reason for these messages. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 05:56:17 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA05966 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 05:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA26085 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 05:55:43 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA09516 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 05:55:41 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id FAA29530 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 05:55:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:55:36 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0yvLf5-002OyXC; Sun, 12 Jul 98 14:55 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA01434; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:53:25 +0200 Message-ID: <19980712145324.03216@alpha.franken.de> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:53:24 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Indy serial ports Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 640 Lines: 16 Hi, I'm about to start converting the SGI console to a abscon style console. To make debugging easier I'm planning to use a serial console. But my Indy doesn't have any "normal" serial connector. I guess the two serial ports are those PS/2 connectors near the mouse and keyboard connectors. As I don't have an converter I need the pinout of the PS/2 connectors to build my own one. Any hints where I can find a description of that ports ? Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 06:11:00 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA19624 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA27387 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:10:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA85457 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:10:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id GAA02029 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:10:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:10:24 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0yvLtT-002P16C; Sun, 12 Jul 98 15:10 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA01746; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:08:07 +0200 Message-ID: <19980712150807.54121@alpha.franken.de> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:08:07 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Indy serial ports References: <19980712145324.03216@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980712145324.03216@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 02:53:24PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 473 Lines: 13 On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 02:53:24PM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > As I don't have an converter I need the pinout of the PS/2 connectors > to build my own one. Any hints where I can find a description of that > ports ? I've found it in one of IRIX Admin online books. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 14:09:16 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA06394 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA54330 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:08:39 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA89426 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:08:36 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA24239 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:08:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (root@pmport-07.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.7]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04754 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:08:16 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA17825; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:01:36 +0200 Message-ID: <19980712190135.R10756@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:01:35 +0200 To: Thomas Bogendoerfer , linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: One good and some bad news References: <19980712112949.25350@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980712112949.25350@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 11:29:49AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3944 Lines: 96 On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 11:29:49AM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > first the good news: > > Yesterday XF68_FBDev showed the first ugly gray X11 screen on my > Olivetti M700. Yeah ! Does this mean the X Server which I've built is running without changes? > But after killing the X server, I've got a dbe in check_tty_count. DBE has a nasty property, it can be delayed until some write access is written back from cache to memory. The EPC then often points to completly useless addresses. > This was the first bad news. To get XF68_FBDev to work, I had to > discover, that the logic with MAP_MASK is broken. When you look in > memory.c in function remap_pte_range(), you will find following: > > > mapnr = MAP_NR(__va(phys_addr)); > if (mapnr >= max_mapnr || PageReserved(mem_map+mapnr)) > set_pte(pte, mk_pte_phys(phys_addr, prot)); > > > These works perfect for addresses in the first 512MB of address space > (MAP_MASK is 0x1fffffff), but it fails when you use 0x40000000 (frame > buffer address of the Olli). My first shot to fix that, was to use > 0x7fffffff MAP_MASK, but resulted in a not working kernel, no idea why. Some places in the kernel also pass uncached addresses to MAP_NR(). In order to make that work right I decieded back in '94 to mask out everything but the bits that might be set in the physical address corrosponding to a KSEG0 address. Fix: try to track down the places that pass something else than a KSEG0 address for RAM, convert the addresses to KSEG0. Eleminate the entire MAP_MASK thing. Change __va() such that it can deals properly with addresses >= 512mb. The Olli case is somewhat special because the designers had the gorgeuous idea of placing some peripherals outside the lowest 4gb therefore more fun with EISA mappings for example ahead ... > To cludge this problem I've changed the code: > > mapnr = MAP_NR(__va(phys_addr)); > if (mapnr >= max_mapnr || PageReserved(mem_map+mapnr)) > set_pte(pte, mk_pte_phys(phys_addr, prot)); > if (phys_addr > MAP_MASK) > set_pte(pte, mk_pte_phys(__va(phys_addr), prot)); > > This works, but as this is common Linux code, Linus will never accept > it, even with a #ifdef __mips__ around the second if. While writing this > mail, I got an idea. Would it work, when we change MAP_NR to something like: > > #define MAP_NR(addr) (((addr) > MAP_MASK) ? 0xffffffff : \ > ((((unsigned long)(addr)) & MAP_MASK) >> PAGE_SHIFT)) > > I'll try it later. Which is basically my suggestion from above. I'd just prefer to see the fix in __va. > Another bad news, I've tried to build egcs. egcs itself build fine, but > when linking the shared library libstdc++, ld bombs out with a signal 6. > As I was still using binutils-2.8.1, I've compiled bintuils-2.9.1.0.4. > But the problem remains the same. I hope to get the gdb fixes from Ralf, > to look at this problem. > > Binutils 2.9.1.0.4 seem to work ok, but I get following messages, when > linking programs: > > ld: Warning: type of symbol `_fini' changed from 1 to 2 in /usr/lib/crti.o That's data object -> code object. > ld: Warning: type of symbol `_gp_disp' changed from 1 to 3 in /lib/libc.so.6 And this is a data object -> section symbol. These type of warning messae often indicate serious trouble. > I guess, it will go way, when I rebuild glibc with the new binutils, but > can someone explain to me, what's the reason for these messages. In ELF every symbol has a type and a size. If linker encounters conflicting definitions, it will issue warnings. Note that the symbol _gp_disp is absolute black magic used for MIPS PIC code. References against it are automatically generated by the assembler and resolved by the linker. It's never defined or referenced in normal source code. I'm therefore somewhat worried. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 10:17:56 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA02167 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA33849 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:17:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA12821 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:17:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA15171 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:17:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA03104 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:17:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:17:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Hm. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 237 Lines: 16 Supposing I had this on the console several times after doing a lot of compiling: Setting flush to zero for enquire. What would that indicate? - A -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 12:44:49 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA04948 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA59452 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:44:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA75070 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:44:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA09221 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:44:03 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0yvS2O-002OoWC; Sun, 12 Jul 98 21:43 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA05074; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:55:23 +0200 Message-ID: <19980712205523.42509@alpha.franken.de> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:55:23 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: One good and some bad news References: <19980712112949.25350@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980712112949.25350@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 11:29:49AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1890 Lines: 50 On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 11:29:49AM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > This was the first bad news. To get XF68_FBDev to work, I had to > discover, that the logic with MAP_MASK is broken. When you look in ok, I've found a solution for this problem by just using what the other ports are using for MAP_NR(). I also fixed the mk_pte_phys(), which was broken, too. Below is the patch I'm currently using. The problem with the dbe after quiting the X server, didn't happen again. Thomas. Index: include/asm/page.h =================================================================== RCS file: /var/mips/linus/cvs/linux/include/asm-mips/page.h,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -u -r1.1.1.1 page.h --- page.h 1997/06/01 03:17:11 1.1.1.1 +++ page.h 1998/07/12 18:50:11 @@ -76,8 +76,7 @@ #define PAGE_OFFSET 0x80000000UL #define __pa(x) ((unsigned long) (x) - PAGE_OFFSET) #define __va(x) ((void *)((unsigned long) (x) + PAGE_OFFSET)) -#define MAP_MASK 0x1fffffffUL -#define MAP_NR(addr) ((((unsigned long)(addr)) & MAP_MASK) >> PAGE_SHIFT) +#define MAP_NR(addr) (__pa(addr) >> PAGE_SHIFT) #endif /* defined (__KERNEL__) */ Index: include/asm/pgtable.h =================================================================== RCS file: /var/mips/linus/cvs/linux/include/asm-mips/pgtable.h,v retrieving revision 1.11 diff -u -r1.11 pgtable.h --- pgtable.h 1998/03/17 22:16:15 1.11 +++ pgtable.h 1998/07/12 17:57:22 @@ -346,7 +346,7 @@ extern inline pte_t mk_pte_phys(unsigned long physpage, pgprot_t pgprot) { - return __pte((physpage - PAGE_OFFSET) | pgprot_val(pgprot)); + return __pte(physpage | pgprot_val(pgprot)); } extern inline pte_t pte_modify(pte_t pte, pgprot_t newprot) -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 14:57:30 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA07214 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA84819 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:56:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA37151 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:56:52 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA02962 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:56:50 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:56:46 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0yvU6o-002OpLC; Sun, 12 Jul 98 23:56 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA07125; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:20 +0200 Message-ID: <19980712235319.65470@alpha.franken.de> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:19 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: One good and some bad news References: <19980712112949.25350@alpha.franken.de> <19980712190135.R10756@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980712190135.R10756@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 07:01:35PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2018 Lines: 51 On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 07:01:35PM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 11:29:49AM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > > > first the good news: > > > > Yesterday XF68_FBDev showed the first ugly gray X11 screen on my > > Olivetti M700. Yeah ! > > Does this mean the X Server which I've built is running without > changes? no, that's the one I've built:-) But it's made with your XFree patch and an updated .spec file for the latest RH5.1 package (XFree86-3.3.2-13). A couple of hours ago, I had X with window manager and application running (PS/2 mouse works, too). There is only one small problem left, when scrolling the X screen down. Looks like my "hardware" scrolling has some problems with graphics. > DBE has a nasty property, it can be delayed until some write access > is written back from cache to memory. The EPC then often points to > completly useless addresses. good to know, as the address was really bogus. Is there a chance to print out the faulting physical address for a bus error ? This would give us some chances to find the real culprit. But it still hasn't happen again. > Some places in the kernel also pass uncached addresses to MAP_NR(). In > order to make that work right I decieded back in '94 to mask out everything > but the bits that might be set in the physical address corrosponding to a > KSEG0 address. hmm, I've checked the MAP_NR() in the kernel, and couldn't find such cases. In fact my changed kernel works perfect. > The Olli case is somewhat special because the designers had the gorgeuous > idea of placing some peripherals outside the lowest 4gb therefore more > fun with EISA mappings for example ahead ... I know. > These type of warning messae often indicate serious trouble. hmm, the produced binaries are working without problem. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 17:37:31 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA09331 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA21035 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:36:51 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA44557 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:36:48 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id RAA03453 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:36:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-25.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.25]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21285 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:36:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA18524; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:36:08 +0200 Message-ID: <19980713023606.U10756@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:36:06 +0200 To: Thomas Bogendoerfer Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: One good and some bad news References: <19980712112949.25350@alpha.franken.de> <19980712190135.R10756@uni-koblenz.de> <19980712235319.65470@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980712235319.65470@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 11:53:19PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1763 Lines: 42 On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 11:53:19PM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > no, that's the one I've built:-) But it's made with your XFree patch > and an updated .spec file for the latest RH5.1 package (XFree86-3.3.2-13). > A couple of hours ago, I had X with window manager and application running > (PS/2 mouse works, too). There is only one small problem left, when scrolling > the X screen down. Looks like my "hardware" scrolling has some problems > with graphics. Cool. > > DBE has a nasty property, it can be delayed until some write access > > is written back from cache to memory. The EPC then often points to > > completly useless addresses. > > good to know, as the address was really bogus. Is there a chance to > print out the faulting physical address for a bus error ? This would > give us some chances to find the real culprit. But it still hasn't happen > again. Basically what to do would be to modify the kernel such that it will work with caches disabled. Then you get (almost) precise exceptions again. Alternative and with less impact on the performance you could try to writeback the caches in strategic positions for debugging. That makes a kind of a barrier for DBE exceptions. > hmm, I've checked the MAP_NR() in the kernel, and couldn't find such > cases. In fact my changed kernel works perfect. Good. Long time ago we had such cases in the kernel; it's why MAP_NR does things the way it does. But I admit, when I wrote my last posting I could recall what I needed that stuff for. You patch looks good, could you commit it? Thanks. > > These type of warning messae often indicate serious trouble. > > hmm, the produced binaries are working without problem. Hmmm ... Modify write(2) to not print these messages ;-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 20:32:32 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA11302 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA59294 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:31:56 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id UAA96066 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:31:53 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from cygnus.detroit.sgi.com by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id XAA18513; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:31:51 -0400 Received: from detroit.sgi.com (cx1.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.130.4]) by cygnus.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA10405; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A97E51.16F98B05@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:26:09 -0400 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.09C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Bogendoerfer CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Indy serial ports References: <19980712145324.03216@alpha.franken.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 6121 Lines: 164 Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm about to start converting the SGI console to a abscon style console. > To make debugging easier I'm planning to use a serial console. But my > Indy doesn't have any "normal" serial connector. I guess the two serial > ports are those PS/2 connectors near the mouse and keyboard connectors. > As I don't have an converter I need the pinout of the PS/2 connectors > to build my own one. Any hints where I can find a description of that > ports ? > > Thomas. >From the IRIX 'man serial' man page: The DIN-8 serial port connectors on the Personal IRIS 4D/30, 4D/35, 4D/RPC (Indigo), 4D/RPC-50 (R4000 Indigo), Indy, and Indigo2 have the following pin assignments. Page 2 serial(7) serial(7) --------- / 8 7 6 \ ( 5 4 3 ) \ 2 1 / -- --------- 4D Compatible Pin Assignments (RS-232) _________________________________________ _Pin___|_Name____|_Description___________ 1 | DTR | Data Terminal Ready 2 | CTS | Clear To Send 3 | TD | Transmit Data 4 | SG | Signal Ground 5 | RD | Receive Data 6 | RTS | Request To Send 7 | DCD | Data Carrier Detect 8 | SG | Signal Ground Macintosh SE Compatible Pin Assignments (RS-422) _________________________________________________ Pin__|_Name__|_Description_______________________ 1 | HSKo | Output Handshake 2 | HSKi | Input Handshake Or External Clock 3 | TxD- | Transmit Data - 4 | GND | Signal Ground 5 | RxD- | Receive Data - 6 | TxD+ | Transmit Data + 7 | GPi | General Purpose Input 8 | RxD+ | Receive Data + The set of signals that are actually used depends upon which form of the device was opened. If the ttyd name was used, only TD, RD, and SG signals are meaningful. These three signals are typically used with "dumb" devices that either do not need any sort of data flow control or use software flow control (see the description of the ixon, ixany, and ixoff options in stty(1) for more information on setting up software flow control). If the ttym device is used, the DCD, and DTR signals are also used. These signals provide a two way handshake for establishing and breaking a communication link with another device and are normally used when connecting via a modem. When the port is initially opened, the host asserts the DTR line and waits for the DCD line to become active. If the port is opened with the O_NDELAY flag, the open succeeds even if the DCD line is not active. A hangup condition occurs if the DCD line transitions from active to inactive. See open(2), and termio(7) for more information. If the ttyf device is used, all of the signals are used. The additional signals provide for full hardware flow control between the host and the remote device. The RTS line is asserted by the host whenever it is capable of receiving more data. The CTS line is sampled before data is transmitted and if it is not active, the host suspends output until it is. Page 3 serial(7) serial(7) The DIN-8 serial port connectors on the Personal IRIS 4D/30, 4D/35, 4D/RPC, 4D/RPC-50, Indy, and Indigo2 can be used to communicate with serial devices using RS-422 protocol. User can use the stream ioctl commands, SIOC_EXTCLK and SIOC_RS422, defined in /usr/include/sys/z8530.h to switch between internal/external clock and RS-232/RS-422 protocols. Another command that can be useful is SIOC_ITIMER; it informs the driver how long it should buffer up input data, in clock ticks, before sending them upstream. Data can sometimes be sent upstream before, but never after, this time limit. This feature reduces the cpu cost of receiving large amounts of data by sending data upstream in large chunks. This duration can also be configured into the kernel by tuning the duart_rsrv_duration variable. ... FILES /dev/tty[dmf][1-4,45-56] /usr/include/sys/z8530.h /dev/MAKEDEV Page 4 serial(7) serial(7) serial(7) serial(7) /var/sysgen/system SEE ALSO system(4), asoser(7), cdsio(7), keyboard(7), streamio(7), termio(7). ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau RTA/RSA eak@detroit.sgi.com Silicon Graphics, Inc Voice: (248) 848-4455 39001 West 12 Mile Rd. Fax: (248) 848-5600 Farmington, MI 48331-2903 VNet Extension - 6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/perl-rsa-sig.html When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" "I am the great supportfolio, do you have http?" Copyright 1998, Silicon Graphics Computer Systems Confidential to Silicon Graphics Computer Systems ** -- not for redistribution -- ** From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 21:42:09 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA11976 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA76886 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:41:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id VAA38099; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:41:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA22125; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:41:21 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:41:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199807130441.VAA22125@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Alex deVries Cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: volume header fs... In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 508 Lines: 14 Alex deVries writes: > > What is on a volume header file system? Is it EFS or something else? > > I was thinking about writing such a driver so we could easily put Linux > kernels there. It is a very simple flat file system, hardly deserving the name. The directory is a list of name and (single) extent descriptors. I don't have the format ready to hand, but I can look it up if it isn't obvious from dumping the first few blocks of the volume header (the first few blocks of the disk). From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 12 22:01:08 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA12136 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA11092 for linux-list; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:00:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA42982; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:00:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA22156; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:00:25 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:00:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199807130500.WAA22156@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Thomas Bogendoerfer Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Indy serial ports In-Reply-To: <19980712145324.03216@alpha.franken.de> References: <19980712145324.03216@alpha.franken.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2201 Lines: 47 Thomas Bogendoerfer writes: > Hi, > > I'm about to start converting the SGI console to a abscon style console. > To make debugging easier I'm planning to use a serial console. But my > Indy doesn't have any "normal" serial connector. I guess the two serial > ports are those PS/2 connectors near the mouse and keyboard connectors. > As I don't have an converter I need the pinout of the PS/2 connectors > to build my own one. Any hints where I can find a description of that > ports ? >From IRIX serial(7): 2 The DIN-8 serial port connectors on the Indigo, Indy, and Indigo have the following pin assignments. --------- / 8 7 6 \ ( 5 4 3 ) \ 2 1 / --------- _4D_Compatible_Pin_Assignments_(RS-232)__ Pin | Name | Description _______|_________|_______________________ 1 | DTR | Data Terminal Ready 2 | CTS | Clear To Send 3 | TD | Transmit Data 4 | SG | Signal Ground 5 | RD | Receive Data 6 | RTS | Request To Send 7 | DCD | Data Carrier Detect 8 | SG | Signal Ground Macintosh_SE_Compatible_Pin_Assignments_(RS-422)_ Pin | Name | Description _____|_______|___________________________________ 1 | HSKo | Output Handshake 2 | HSKi | Input Handshake Or External Clock 3 | TxD- | Transmit Data - 4 | GND | Signal Ground 5 | RxD- | Receive Data - 6 | TxD+ | Transmit Data + 7 | GPi | General Purpose Input 8 | RxD+ | Receive Data + Note that the ports are in RS-232 mode by default. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 13 03:36:42 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA23997 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA65952 for linux-list; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:36:02 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA37150 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:36:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id DAA01121 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:35:55 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26879 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:35:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10044 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:35:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25444 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:35:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807131035.MAA25444@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: 2.1.99 with RH 5.1 A 2 slowing down To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:35:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1518 Lines: 33 Hello, I'm using RH 5.1 installation with Alpha 1 kernel and installator and devel/Alpha 2 RPMs (where available). The system is running fine, but seems to slow down during the time. My, maybe naive, observation is that the buffers value from the free listing is very high: on 32 MB system, the buffers value is about 13 to 15 MB, cached about 4 MB and there are like 500 kB freee memory. The system doesn't swap, however when I try to run a process, it's very slow starting it and running it. I'm for example am not able to finish make dep on the kernel tree -- the activity just does to zero after 5 minutes or so. I've found out that I can force it to free the buffers (while still having some free memory to actually start the perl) with something like perl -e '$/ = undef; $_ = <>; $a = $_ x 3' /vmlinux that creates a process allocating about 8 MB, but I have to do this rather often (in while true ; done loop). I understand that my description is rather fuzzy, so the main point is that the system is slowing down, doesn't swap but has very low free memory, even if there is a lot of memory used by buffers. I can of course send any additional info/listings, if you tell me which. Do you know what I might be doing wrong? Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 13 09:28:26 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA36825 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA34816 for linux-list; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from wintermute.reading.sgi.com (wintermute.reading.sgi.com [144.253.74.171]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA21870 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:27:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (leon@reading.sgi.com) Received: from localhost by wintermute.reading.sgi.com via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id RAA28150; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:27:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:27:17 +0100 (BST) From: Leon Verrall To: Shrijeet Mukherjee cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: 5.1 installation fun & games... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1570 Lines: 46 On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Shrijeet Mukherjee wrote: > ->Ah, a chicken and egg thing. You can nfsroot an SG linux box as long as you > ->have a linux box to do it from... > > so do I understand correctly that I cannot boot my Indy for setting linux > up from another IRIX box (running 6.5) ... but have to go find a Intel box > running Linux ? Well, here's a funny thing... I now have a debian Linux box in the office configured for bootp and tftp etc. It has the manhattan alpha 1 distribution on it. I bootp():/vmlinuz my Indy, the kernel boots fine and then: Warning: unable to open an initial console. Where have we seen this before? /etc/exports has : /usr/src/sgi/installfs 144.253.75.29(no_root_squash,rw) I've tried mucking about with permissions on the files in /usr/src/sgi/installfs/dev but no dice. And the code it stops at is: if (open("/dev/console", O_RDWR, 0) < 0) printk("Warning: unable to open an initial console.\n"); So nothing complicated happening there. It just plain can't open /dev/console for read and write... rpc.mountd's debug output doesn't help. It just says the mount was sucessful. I've also tried a few options like nfsroot=/usr/src/sgi/installfs,flags=dev just to make sure... Anyone else hitting this? Leon -- Leon Verrall - 01189 307734 \ "Don't cut your losses too soon, Secondline Software Support / 'cos you'll only be cutting your throat. Silicon Graphics, Forum 1, \ And answer a call while you still care at all Station Rd., Theale, RG7 4RA / 'cos nobody will if you wont" (6:00 - DT) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 13 11:12:13 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA39275 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA97341 for linux-list; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:11:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA99247 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:11:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA01021 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:11:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-15.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.15]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12456 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:11:13 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA01622; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:10:08 +0200 Message-ID: <19980713201006.A1201@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:10:06 +0200 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Netscape Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 173 Lines: 7 Hi all, more good news, I just browsed the first web pages in Mozilla. It's not perfect yet. For bringing it up modified kernel, libc and lesstif is required ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 13 11:22:28 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA39443 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA31135 for linux-list; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:21:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA79249; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA05828; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:21:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00737; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:21:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:21:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Leon Verrall cc: Shrijeet Mukherjee , SGI Linux Subject: Re: 5.1 installation fun & games... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1096 Lines: 27 On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Leon Verrall wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Shrijeet Mukherjee wrote: > > ->Ah, a chicken and egg thing. You can nfsroot an SG linux box as long as you > > ->have a linux box to do it from... > > so do I understand correctly that I cannot boot my Indy for setting linux > > up from another IRIX box (running 6.5) ... but have to go find a Intel box > > running Linux ? Yes, this is uncomfortable, and slightly ridiculous that you'd have to do this. For now, this is just the way it will be until we get proper initrd stuff working in the kernel. > Well, here's a funny thing... > I now have a debian Linux box in the office configured for bootp and tftp > etc. It has the manhattan alpha 1 distribution on it. I bootp():/vmlinuz my > Indy, the kernel boots fine and then: > Warning: unable to open an initial console. > Where have we seen this before? This is a problem with the install not being able to find the /dev/console file. It usually means you don't have the install pointing in the right place. I'd suggest looking at tftp and nfs logs closely. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 13 15:40:21 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA70851 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA23058 for linux-list; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:38:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA47087 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:38:41 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA05956 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:38:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:38:18 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0yvrEW-002OzrC; Tue, 14 Jul 98 00:38 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA02784; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:08:26 +0200 Message-ID: <19980714000825.24064@alpha.franken.de> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:08:25 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: One good and some bad news References: <19980712112949.25350@alpha.franken.de> <19980712190135.R10756@uni-koblenz.de> <19980712235319.65470@alpha.franken.de> <19980713023606.U10756@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980713023606.U10756@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Mon, Jul 13, 1998 at 02:36:06AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1066 Lines: 25 On Mon, Jul 13, 1998 at 02:36:06AM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 11:53:19PM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > > good to know, as the address was really bogus. Is there a chance to > > print out the faulting physical address for a bus error ? This would > > give us some chances to find the real culprit. But it still hasn't happen > > again. > > Basically what to do would be to modify the kernel such that it will work > with caches disabled. Then you get (almost) precise exceptions again. > Alternative and with less impact on the performance you could try to > writeback the caches in strategic positions for debugging. That makes a > kind of a barrier for DBE exceptions. ugly. I hope, that I won't need it. > You patch looks good, could you commit it? Thanks. I do, when I've merged my stuff with the latest CVS commits. Thomas -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 14 06:31:42 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA20747 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA47984 for linux-list; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:31:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from wintermute.reading.sgi.com (wintermute.reading.sgi.com [144.253.74.171]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA15798; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:30:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (leon@reading.sgi.com) Received: from localhost by wintermute.reading.sgi.com via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id OAA03348; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:30:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:30:47 +0100 (BST) From: Leon Verrall To: Alex deVries cc: Shrijeet Mukherjee , SGI Linux Subject: Re: 5.1 installation fun & games... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2462 Lines: 53 On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Alex deVries wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Leon Verrall wrote: > > > Well, here's a funny thing... > > I now have a debian Linux box in the office configured for bootp and tftp > > etc. It has the manhattan alpha 1 distribution on it. I bootp():/vmlinuz my > > Indy, the kernel boots fine and then: > > Warning: unable to open an initial console. > > Where have we seen this before? > > This is a problem with the install not being able to find the /dev/console > file. It usually means you don't have the install pointing in the right > place. I'd suggest looking at tftp and nfs logs closely. This is irritating... rpc.nfsd reports this activity during the boot: Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 mountd[199]: NFS mount of /usr/src/sgi/installfs attempted from 144.253.75.29 Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 mountd[199]: /usr/src/sgi/installfs has been mounted by 144.253.75.29 Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 nfsd[420]: getattr [1 70/1/1 01:00:04 lab29 0.0] Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 nfsd[420]: ^I7200e760 04 708c8eca Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 nfsd[420]: result: 0 Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 nfsd[420]: lookup [1 70/1/1 01:00:04 lab29 0.0] Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 nfsd[420]: ^Ifh:/usr/src/sgi/installfs n:dev Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 nfsd[420]: ^Inew_fh = /usr/src/sgi/installfs/dev Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 nfsd[420]: result: 0 Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 nfsd[420]: lookup [1 70/1/1 01:00:04 lab29 0.0] Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 nfsd[420]: ^Ifh:/usr/src/sgi/installfs/dev n:console Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 nfsd[420]: ^Inew_fh = /usr/src/sgi/installfs/dev/console Jul 14 13:55:59 lab17 nfsd[420]: result: 0 And then goes on to stat init, some libraries and the install2 binary but still comlians that the console can't be opened. OK, I thought perhaps that filesystems is duff. So I exported / on the linux box and booted with that as my nfsroot. OK it'll fail to find init (which it did) but it should open /dev/console. Nope, same error. As far as I can tell the mount is sucessful and the right files are being accessed. Presumably the filesystem is properly mounted by the kernel on the Indy under / so what does that leave...? Leon -- Leon Verrall - 01189 307734 \ "Don't cut your losses too soon, Secondline Software Support / 'cos you'll only be cutting your throat. Silicon Graphics, Forum 1, \ And answer a call while you still care at all Station Rd., Theale, RG7 4RA / 'cos nobody will if you wont" (6:00 - DT) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 14 16:39:42 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA68080 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA28155 for linux-list; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:38:53 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA87651 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:38:50 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA00048 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:38:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA28202 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:38:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:38:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2379 Lines: 73 The non-alpha, full version of Linux for many Indy's is available at: ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/redhat/hardhat-sgi-5.1.tar.gz (It is uploading as we speak; please wait until the file size is 267015800 bytes. Yes, this is big. Make sure you match the md5sum in hardhat-sgi-5.1.tar.gz.asc. You can also just wait a few weeks until it is on CD.) If there are any significant problems, I may have an oportunity to fix small things before it gets pressed to CD. It would be nice if people tried installing it before then. I'm afraid all I have is a 500MB disk to do installs, so I've never been able to do a full install (which is something like 650MB). This has a lot of new features in it: - many more packages; things like glibc, egcs, gcc, XFree libs, kernel sources, too many to mention here. - a better install that doesn't display funny messages, doesn't complain about a) broken dependancies [1] b) that certain packages can't install because they're missing glibc[2] and c) the error that you must have a swap partition, but offers no way of creating one. - fdisk does something, although I'm not sure what. It is untested. - a much better kernel that has things like the neato power button and LED drivers - glibc updates so that Ralf's up and coming Mozilla will run on it Stuff that is in there but untested: - new fdisk from Oliver - the upgrade feature Stuff that didn't make it in: - my initrd stuff; this means you still have to install from another machine with NFS. I'm sorry, I know it is painful. - Mike's graphics fixes. - gdb - emacs (sorry, I lost the source RPM) Enjoy, and let me know if you do have the bandwidth do download and use it. Two other significant accomplishments this week that may have not been touted enough: - Mike Shaver got some nice coloured bars to display on the screen. I have good feelings about this. - Ralf got Mozilla built, parts of gdb and a lot of other stuff. Good work, guys! Also, some thanks to SGI's support for replacing the internal SCSI cable that was causing me problems on such short notice. - Alex [1] Man, was that a pain. I have a new respect for the packaging folk at RedHat. Rebuilding things like tetex is a pain. [2] I rebuilt everything, since the alpha1 packages were built with a broken rpm. -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 14 21:53:44 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA16632 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA20970 for linux-list; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:53:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA86681 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:53:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id VAA06924 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:53:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-06.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.6]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09533 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:53:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA06089; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:52:49 +0200 Message-ID: <19980715065248.D2938@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:52:48 +0200 To: Alex deVries , SGI Linux Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 07:38:32PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 749 Lines: 21 On Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 07:38:32PM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > - Mike Shaver got some nice coloured bars to display on the screen. I > have good feelings about this. > > - Ralf got Mozilla built, parts of gdb and a lot of other stuff. > > Good work, guys! There is even more going on this week. The DECstation guys have managed to run their first user task, Thomas managed to get X up on the Magnum 4000 / Olivetti. I'd say a pretty good week. Having done enough packaging work myself I know what pain you had to go through and I'd like to thank you in the name of us all. Having the first reasonle difficult to install distribution is a quantum leap in every Linux port's history. Time to put up a webpage and register users :-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 14 23:06:09 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA33459 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA40297 for linux-list; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:05:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA86694 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:05:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA23751 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:05:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA12236; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:05:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:05:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: <19980715065248.D2938@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1545 Lines: 40 On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > There is even more going on this week. The DECstation guys have managed > to run their first user task, Thomas managed to get X up on the Magnum 4000 / > Olivetti. I'd say a pretty good week. Absolutely! > Time to put up a webpage and register users :-) Yup. I updated the WWW and FTP site a bit. It'd be really good if we could maybe put a direct link from the main page to the Manhattan page. Also, it'd be good to have some sort of hardware compatibility page. I know there will be people wondering about CPU compatibility, something I'm a bit confused about. Honza, could you help us out with that? I know it's a bitch to download 270MB, but I'd really like it if someone would give this dsitribution a shot. Red Hat's going to press this on a CD later this week, and we need to make sure that we get it right. Actually, even Linux/SGI coasters would be pretty cool... We're now at 455 packages, which is something like 70 short of i386. I think we're at the point now where we could do another pass over the packages and get a couple more out. Things like emacs and gdb are just around the corner. I think this is worth an article on slashdot.org. When Hard Hat is released, is SGI interested in doing a press release? This is really excellent work on everyone's part. Especially in the last month, we've really pulled everything together. There's been some long hours for some of the developers, and it's very satisfying to see a distribution come out of it. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 02:02:12 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA37349 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA37891 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:01:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA05865 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:01:24 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA01648 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:01:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20985; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:01:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23283; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:00:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00705; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:00:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807150900.LAA00705@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jul 15, 98 02:05:15 am" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:00:47 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2039 Lines: 43 > > > Time to put up a webpage and register users :-) > > Yup. I updated the WWW and FTP site a bit. It'd be really good if we OK, I've updated other links to manhattan/. Is the name Hard Hat 5.1 official? > could maybe put a direct link from the main page to the Manhattan page. > Also, it'd be good to have some sort of hardware compatibility page. I > know there will be people wondering about CPU compatibility, something I'm > a bit confused about. Honza, could you help us out with that? Yes, I'll try to create the page. Basically R4400, R4600, R5000, PC and SC, anyrate are OK? How about R4000? Other hardware: XGE, XZ (for consoles), 10BaseT, any reasonable SCSI? How about the Challenge S? > I know it's a bitch to download 270MB, but I'd really like it if someone > would give this dsitribution a shot. Red Hat's going to press this on a > CD later this week, and we need to make sure that we get it right. > Actually, even Linux/SGI coasters would be pretty cool... I have question about the ftp part (some of them based on the fact that we are little bit short of space on our mirror, but I'd like to mirror as much as possible). How about the RPM's in the /src/ftp/pub/redhat/old directory? Shouldn't the be in some subdirectory or gone? Also, I suggest renaming /src/ftp/pub/redhat/old/redhat-5.1 to something like redhat-5.1-alpha1 to be consistent with the name reflect the name of redhat-5.1alpha1.tgz. Also, /src/ftp/pub/test/vml.tar.gz could be renamed to something like vmlinux-indy-2.1.99.tar.gz (is it 2.1.99?), and perhaps we could even put the kernels to some directory other than test (maybe kernel?) and also have a link there from software.html. Anyway, our mirror already has 56 MB of that 270, let's hope it will go on ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 14:59:23 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA80158 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA58158 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:58:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA04379 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:58:37 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA27170 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:58:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (root@pmport-25.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.25]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06438 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:58:27 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA00625; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:26:02 +0200 Message-ID: <19980715172602.A388@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:26:02 +0200 To: Honza Pazdziora , Alex deVries Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... References: <199807150900.LAA00705@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <199807150900.LAA00705@aisa.fi.muni.cz>; from Honza Pazdziora on Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 11:00:47AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1825 Lines: 41 On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 11:00:47AM +0200, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > Yes, I'll try to create the page. Basically R4400, R4600, R5000, > PC and SC, anyrate are OK? How about R4000? Other hardware: XGE, XZ > (for consoles), 10BaseT, any reasonable SCSI? How about the Challenge S? 10BaseT - never tested. I use 10Base2 but I assume the mediaselection works properly. XGE, XZ graphics are not supported yet. We might however try to use the ARC firmware to support anything that we don't support yet as a console. We only support the the builtin WD33C93 hostadapter. Extra GIO boards, especially the WD33C95 (afaik available in the Challenge S), are not supported yet. Challenge S isn't supported yet. The cache issues seems to be confusing to many people, so here a simple explanation of the issue. The actual issues are a bit more complex especially in the case of R4000SC, R4000MC, R4400SC, R4400MC. Processor types: R4000PC / R4400PC, R4600, R5000. We've got support for the second level cache as available on the R4600 and R5000 CPU _boards_, known as R4600SC and R5000SC. We do not support the CPU controlled cache as in R4000SC, R4400SC and R5000. Why does the second level cache make a difference? The second level cache on MIPS systems is ``visible'' to software and the kernel needs appropriate support for each of them. We do have this support code for the external cache controllers on the Indy R4600 and R5000 modules. R4000SC, R4000MC, R4400SC, R4400MC have integrated cache controllers which we don't support. The R5000 also has one which we don't support. However the Indy R5000SC modules use an external cache controller and that one is supported. There are more MIPS CPU types that we support - some of them even don't exist yet as silicon - but these types were never shipped in Indys. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 10:51:34 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA61267 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA43431 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:50:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA08814 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA09625 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:50:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA29397; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:50:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:50:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux cc: "James V. Hendricks" Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1376 Lines: 37 This is definitely worth forwarding on to the list... -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, James V. Hendricks wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:09:37 -0600 (MDT) > From: "James V. Hendricks" > To: Alex deVries > Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... > > (I don't know if I should be sending this to the mailing list) > > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Alex deVries wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > > Time to put up a webpage and register users :-) > Count me in :) > > > I know it's a bitch to download 270MB, but I'd really like it if someone > > would give this dsitribution a shot. Red Hat's going to press this on a > > CD later this week, and we need to make sure that we get it right. > > Actually, even Linux/SGI coasters would be pretty cool... > I am downloading Hard Hat and will install it the moment it finishes on > a SGI Indy R4600 with 96MB RAM, two 500MB disks, and a really nice > monitor :) > I work at the Advanced Computing Lab at Los Alamos National Laboratory. > Many of the PCs (often times Dual P2-300s with 512 MB RAM) run Linux. We > have tons of Indy's that run very slowly in IRIX (32MB RAM, one 500MB > disk). A smaller OS like Linux may help out a lot. > - James > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 12:20:13 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA66048 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA52004 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:19:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA21634 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA17916 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:18:48 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA02234 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:18:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:18:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: CPU support. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 181 Lines: 12 I don't mean to rehash this too often, but exactly which CPUs do we have support for? - alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 13:00:46 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA73244 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA07432 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:00:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA15617 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:00:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA05029 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:59:55 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22651 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:59:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16345 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:59:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA21677 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:59:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807151959.VAA21677@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... (fwd) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:59:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1779 Lines: 51 Fwding to list: > From shm@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 20:56:01 1998 > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:55:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Shrijeet Mukherjee > To: Honza Pazdziora > Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... > In-Reply-To: <199807150900.LAA00705@aisa.fi.muni.cz> > Message-ID: > > I have the same kernel panic from the hard hat release as well on my Indy > .. > > it still hangs at > Looking up port of RPC 100003/2 on (server_ip) > page fault from irq handler: 0 > > > in case you would like to know this in IP22 r4400 with 16K I and D caches > .. > > what is wrong ? > > could it be because I am serving the files from a dir, which are in turn > NFS exported from an SGI box .. (though I would be very surprised to hear > a yes to this ) > > > thanx > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Shrijeet Mukherjee, Member of Technical Staff (MTS) > Advanced Graphics Division > Silicon Graphics Computer Systems > > http://reality.sgi.com/shm_engr phone: 650-933-5312 > email: shm@engr.sgi.com, shm@sgi.com, shrijeet@hotmail.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The world fears a new experience more than it fears anything. > Because a new experience displaces so many old experiences. > -- D. H. Lawrence > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 13:16:48 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA25919 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA67151 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:16:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA42879 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:16:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA12215 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA06977; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:15:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:15:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Honza Pazdziora cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: <199807150900.LAA00705@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1493 Lines: 44 On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > > Yup. I updated the WWW and FTP site a bit. It'd be really good if we > OK, I've updated other links to manhattan/. Is the name Hard Hat 5.1 > official? Yes. > Yes, I'll try to create the page. Basically R4400, R4600, R5000, > PC and SC, anyrate are OK? How about R4000? Other hardware: XGE, XZ > (for consoles), 10BaseT, any reasonable SCSI? How about the Challenge S? I think you need to list individual CPUs. The SCSI on the Indy, yes, but the one on the Challenge S is different, I thought. > I have question about the ftp part (some of them based on the fact > that we are little bit short of space on our mirror, but I'd like to > mirror as much as possible). How about the RPM's in the > /src/ftp/pub/redhat/old directory? Shouldn't the be in some > subdirectory or gone? Also, I suggest renaming > /src/ftp/pub/redhat/old/redhat-5.1 to something like > redhat-5.1-alpha1 to be consistent with the name reflect the name of > redhat-5.1alpha1.tgz. I've cleaned that up a bit. > Also, /src/ftp/pub/test/vml.tar.gz could be renamed to something like > vmlinux-indy-2.1.99.tar.gz (is it 2.1.99?), and perhaps we could even > put the kernels to some directory other than test (maybe kernel?) and > also have a link there from software.html. Done. There is a kernel packaged as a binary in the RPMS... > Anyway, our mirror already has 56 MB of that 270, let's hope it will > go on ;-) Let us know how that install goes... - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 13:18:06 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA72870 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA88257 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA17845 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:17:51 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA12721 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:17:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA23120; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:17:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA16811; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:17:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA21881; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:17:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807152017.WAA21881@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jul 14, 98 07:38:32 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:17:42 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2496 Lines: 62 OK, I finally got the tar.gz here. Let's look: I've started installing it with networked WS, development, and some of the servers (NFS, news). The fdisk seems to work, I was able to change the ID of the partition. There is still the funny thing when you are selecting the root partition -- the free space is negative (-522MB). Interesting thing is that this dialog shows the partitions as Linux native and Linux swap, even if the fdisk would show them as EFS and raw. I tried to mkfs the root with check for bad blocks, this killed the installer with Install exited abnormally. Without the checks it run OK. The dialog sees the swap partition as Swap001 but then you still have to say Continue without swap (I never got stuck in the middle of the menus with Alpha 1 -- I always got that Continue option anyway). Some of the packages still complain about failing, on console 4 Unable to load interpreter. During the install of 230 packages there were about 20 messages ldconfig: Exception at [<88109534>] (8810960c) (don't kill me if I retyped the numbers wrong). These numbers were exactly the same in all installs I did. About 3 packages before end, the install failed with Out of memory, Install exited abnormally, messages about signal, etc. So I rebooted and tried just with networked WS and development, this failed in about 60 % with Install exited abnormally. The third attempt I did was only 126 packages of base and networked WS, this finished fine. The steps afterwards, that failed, were /usr/sbin/timeconfig and /usr/sbin/ntsysv. But I'm pretty sure that with RH 5.1 A 1 and some wider selection of packages, these run OK. So they might just be in some packages I did not select. After booting the new kernel, I get Unable to open an initial console. I will try tomorrow to boot the old kernel to get the prompt and perhaps install and start sshd there to see the results of the new kernel. > Enjoy, and let me know if you do have the bandwidth do download and use > it. Alex, if you make any changes or so, please make them available as patch or packages, not as a new whole tar.gz -- the network was really slow from U.S. to Europe today. Thanks and I'm looking forward to more experiments, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 12:36:38 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA68974 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA84882 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:35:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA65121 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:35:56 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (smino@nonlin.gluk.apc.org) Received: from nonlin (nonlin.gluk.apc.org [194.183.183.69]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id MAA25206 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:35:52 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (smino@nonlin.gluk.apc.org) Received: from localhost by nonlin via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/951211.SGI) id WAA06723; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:37:02 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:37:01 +0200 (MDT) From: Serge Mingaleev To: Alex deVries cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1475 Lines: 33 > > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Alex deVries wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > > > Time to put up a webpage and register users :-) > > Count me in :) > > > > > I know it's a bitch to download 270MB, but I'd really like it if someone > > > would give this dsitribution a shot. Red Hat's going to press this on a > > > CD later this week, and we need to make sure that we get it right. > > > Actually, even Linux/SGI coasters would be pretty cool... > > I am downloading Hard Hat and will install it the moment it finishes on > > a SGI Indy R4600 with 96MB RAM, two 500MB disks, and a really nice > > monitor :) > > I work at the Advanced Computing Lab at Los Alamos National Laboratory. > > Many of the PCs (often times Dual P2-300s with 512 MB RAM) run Linux. We > > have tons of Indy's that run very slowly in IRIX (32MB RAM, one 500MB > > disk). A smaller OS like Linux may help out a lot. > > - James Well, it seems the connection today is rather good :), thus I'm downloading the Hard Hat as well and will try it on my little Indy (100 MHZ R4000 with 32MB RAM and two disks: 500MB and 2GB). I work at the Bogolyubov Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kiev, Ukraine, and use my Indy for numerical simulations and visualisation of obtained data. But even 100 MHZ Pentium under Linux runs faster! I very hope that SGI/Linux can change the situation... Many thanks for it! Serge Mingaleev. http://nonlin.gluk.apc.org/~smino/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 14:13:42 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA78918 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA55966 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:13:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA78626 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:12:58 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA07166 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:12:52 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA08854; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:07:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:07:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Honza Pazdziora cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: <199807152017.WAA21881@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3074 Lines: 81 These are very big problems; I will have a look in a couple of hours. -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:17:42 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Honza Pazdziora > To: Alex deVries > Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com > Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... > > > OK, I finally got the tar.gz here. Let's look: > > I've started installing it with networked WS, development, and some of > the servers (NFS, news). > > The fdisk seems to work, I was able to change the ID of the partition. > There is still the funny thing when you are selecting the root > partition -- the free space is negative (-522MB). Interesting thing is > that this dialog shows the partitions as Linux native and Linux swap, > even if the fdisk would show them as EFS and raw. > > I tried to mkfs the root with check for bad blocks, this killed the > installer with Install exited abnormally. Without the checks it run > OK. > > The dialog sees the swap partition as Swap001 but then you still have > to say Continue without swap (I never got stuck in the middle of the > menus with Alpha 1 -- I always got that Continue option anyway). > > Some of the packages still complain about failing, on console 4 Unable > to load interpreter. During the install of 230 packages there were > about 20 messages > > ldconfig: Exception at [<88109534>] (8810960c) > > (don't kill me if I retyped the numbers wrong). These numbers were > exactly the same in all installs I did. > > About 3 packages before end, the install failed with Out of memory, > Install exited abnormally, messages about signal, etc. > > So I rebooted and tried just with networked WS and development, this > failed in about 60 % with Install exited abnormally. > > The third attempt I did was only 126 packages of base and networked > WS, this finished fine. > > The steps afterwards, that failed, were /usr/sbin/timeconfig and > /usr/sbin/ntsysv. But I'm pretty sure that with RH 5.1 A 1 and some > wider selection of packages, these run OK. So they might just be in > some packages I did not select. > > After booting the new kernel, I get Unable to open an initial console. > > I will try tomorrow to boot the old kernel to get the prompt and > perhaps install and start sshd there to see the results of the new > kernel. > > > Enjoy, and let me know if you do have the bandwidth do download and use > > it. > > Alex, if you make any changes or so, please make them available as > patch or packages, not as a new whole tar.gz -- the network was > really slow from U.S. to Europe today. > > Thanks and I'm looking forward to more experiments, > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ > I can take or leave it if I please > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 15:01:51 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA80070 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA54747 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA53289 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:01:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA28585 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:01:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:01:15 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0ywZbk-002P64C; Thu, 16 Jul 98 00:01 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA02457; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:42:36 +0200 Message-ID: <19980715234236.27992@alpha.franken.de> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:42:36 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: Alex deVries Cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 07:38:32PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 668 Lines: 19 On Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 07:38:32PM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > - many more packages; things like glibc, egcs, gcc, XFree libs, kernel > sources, too many to mention here. how did you built egcs ? I just tried it on the Indy and ld dies, when building shared libstdc++ (same as on my Olli). Which binutils are you using ? Thomas. PS: Could you please include mipsel also when modifying .spec Files. Most of the time you need the same fixes for mipseb and mipsel. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 15:14:22 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA84381 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA70343 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:13:51 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA89425 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:13:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA04018 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:13:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA11153; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:13:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:13:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Honza Pazdziora cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: <199807152017.WAA21881@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2155 Lines: 64 On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > The fdisk seems to work, I was able to change the ID of the partition. > There is still the funny thing when you are selecting the root > partition -- the free space is negative (-522MB). Interesting thing is > that this dialog shows the partitions as Linux native and Linux swap, > even if the fdisk would show them as EFS and raw. > I tried to mkfs the root with check for bad blocks, this killed the > installer with Install exited abnormally. Without the checks it run > OK. Okay. mkfs is messed; we should document that. I don't intend on fixing it anytime really soon. Fine, swap doesn't work either. I don't mind skipping that for now. > Some of the packages still complain about failing, on console 4 Unable > to load interpreter. During the install of 230 packages there were > about 20 messages > ldconfig: Exception at [<88109534>] (8810960c) _THAT_ worries me a lot. If you have an existing install of linux on your SGI, do this: - install the ldconfig rpm that's in the distribution you have - run ldconfig Does that still give the exception? > About 3 packages before end, the install failed with Out of memory, > Install exited abnormally, messages about signal, etc. That's a problem. How much memory do you have? > So I rebooted and tried just with networked WS and development, this > failed in about 60 % with Install exited abnormally. What package was installing at the time the install broke? > The third attempt I did was only 126 packages of base and networked > WS, this finished fine. Good. > After booting the new kernel, I get Unable to open an initial console. Did you pass a root= variable to the kernel when booting? You should normally have to do something like: boot vmlinux root=/dev/sdb1 Does the kernel see the partitions on your disk? > Alex, if you make any changes or so, please make them available as > patch or packages, not as a new whole tar.gz -- the network was > really slow from U.S. to Europe today. Definitely. These problems worry me a lot. Please, if you have had the same or other experiences, I want to know about them. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 15:49:39 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA87641 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA39226 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:49:03 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA61428 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:49:02 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (dliu@npiww.com) Received: from dirtpan.npiww.com (dirtpan.networkprograms.com [207.113.23.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id PAA18959 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:48:57 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (dliu@npiww.com) Received: from pluto.npi.com [192.9.202.51] by dirtpan.npiww.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA02318 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:57:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:07:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199807152307.TAA29675@pluto.npiww.com> From: Dong Liu To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Update of the installer doesn't work Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 134 Lines: 9 Hello, I downloaded hard hat linux for sgi, the "update" option gives me "signal 11", "install" option works great. Thanks! Dong. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 16:10:39 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA91746 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA91318 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:09:55 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA29496 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:09:53 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA26787 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:09:43 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-25.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.25]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18810 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:09:40 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA01856; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:09:27 +0200 Message-ID: <19980716010926.E388@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:09:26 +0200 To: Alex deVries Cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... References: <19980715065248.D2938@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 02:05:15AM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 518 Lines: 16 On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 02:05:15AM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > We're now at 455 packages, which is something like 70 short of i386. I > think we're at the point now where we could do another pass over the > packages and get a couple more out. Things like emacs and gdb are just > around the corner. > > I think this is worth an article on slashdot.org. It's already on /. > When Hard Hat is released, is SGI interested in doing a press release? Thought I doubt that'll happen it would be really nice. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 16:31:40 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA93141 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA34423 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:31:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA03895 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:31:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA06044 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:31:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA13472; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:31:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:31:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Dong Liu cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Update of the installer doesn't work In-Reply-To: <199807152307.TAA29675@pluto.npiww.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 269 Lines: 12 On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Dong Liu wrote: > I downloaded hard hat linux for sgi, the "update" option gives me > "signal 11", "install" option works great. Hm. Okay, update may not work. With the install, you can actually boot to a login prompt and everything? - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 16:33:51 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA58786 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA80589 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:33:32 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA39801 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA06839 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:33:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA13546; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:33:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:33:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Dong Liu cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: libpthread of hard hat still doesn't work In-Reply-To: <199807152348.TAA00114@pluto.npiww.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 917 Lines: 36 What were you doing to produce this error? - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Dong Liu wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:48:43 -0400 > From: Dong Liu > To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com > Subject: libpthread of hard hat still doesn't work > > > This is what I got > > /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_accept' > /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_send' > /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_recvfrom' > /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_recvmsg' > /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_sendmsg' > /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_recv' > /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_sendto' > /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_connect' > > > Thanks! > > Dong. > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 16:30:27 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA92041 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA05325 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:29:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA96875 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:29:44 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (dliu@npiww.com) Received: from dirtpan.npiww.com (dirtpan.networkprograms.com [207.113.23.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id QAA05089 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:29:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (dliu@npiww.com) Received: from pluto.npi.com [192.9.202.51] by dirtpan.npiww.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA03267 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:38:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:48:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199807152348.TAA00114@pluto.npiww.com> From: Dong Liu To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: libpthread of hard hat still doesn't work Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 544 Lines: 17 This is what I got /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_accept' /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_send' /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_recvfrom' /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_recvmsg' /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_sendmsg' /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_recv' /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_sendto' /usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_connect' Thanks! Dong. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 16:51:23 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA95122 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA73941 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:50:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA69567 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:50:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA13529 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:50:39 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA14037; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:50:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:50:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Honza Pazdziora cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199807151959.VAA21677@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 748 Lines: 23 On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > > From shm@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 20:56:01 1998 > > it still hangs at > > Looking up port of RPC 100003/2 on (server_ip) > > page fault from irq handler: 0 > > in case you would like to know this in IP22 r4400 with 16K I and D caches > > .. > > what is wrong ? I don't actually know if this is a CPU compatibility issue. Ralf? > > could it be because I am serving the files from a dir, which are in turn > > NFS exported from an SGI box .. (though I would be very surprised to hear > > a yes to this ) I have not yet tried to install it using an Irix box because I only have one; is it possible to try this using another Linux box? (as expected, it works with Linux on Sparc) - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 18:18:17 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA83216 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA48413 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:17:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA30623 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:17:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id SAA11190 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:17:36 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-01.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.1]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA28385 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:17:33 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA02046; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:56:59 +0200 Message-ID: <19980716025659.G388@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:56:59 +0200 To: Alex deVries , Dong Liu Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: libpthread of hard hat still doesn't work References: <199807152348.TAA00114@pluto.npiww.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 07:33:24PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 436 Lines: 12 On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 07:33:24PM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > What were you doing to produce this error? Alex, this problem is known and fixed in my home source tree. There is a second problem that prevents kernel threads from being used. It's that clone(3), the library wrapper for clone(2), the syscall, is buggy and I haven't yet fixed that. We'll provide updated packages for HH 5.1 with this and other things fixed. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 15 18:27:03 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA97202 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA63342 for linux-list; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:26:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA50416 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:26:32 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id SAA13911 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:26:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA17343; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:26:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:26:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: Dong Liu , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: libpthread of hard hat still doesn't work In-Reply-To: <19980716025659.G388@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 151 Lines: 10 On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > We'll provide updated packages for HH 5.1 with this and other things fixed. > Perfect! - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 00:24:24 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA06155 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA13396 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:23:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA93795 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:23:51 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id AAA05121 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:23:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06329; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:23:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29936; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:23:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29043; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:23:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807160723.JAA29043@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jul 15, 98 06:13:15 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:23:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: adelton@informatics.muni.cz, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2344 Lines: 58 > > > About 3 packages before end, the install failed with Out of memory, > > Install exited abnormally, messages about signal, etc. > > That's a problem. How much memory do you have? 32 MB. > > So I rebooted and tried just with networked WS and development, this > > failed in about 60 % with Install exited abnormally. > > What package was installing at the time the install broke? ncurses4, I believe. > > The third attempt I did was only 126 packages of base and networked > > WS, this finished fine. > > Good. > > > After booting the new kernel, I get Unable to open an initial console. > > Did you pass a root= variable to the kernel when booting? You should > normally have to do something like: > > boot vmlinux root=/dev/sdb1 Yes, sure. I do $linux ;-) > Does the kernel see the partitions on your disk? Yes, upto there everything is fine. The Unable to open an initial console message comes after the message about freeing kernel memory -- 44kB. The system however seems to be doing something after that -- at least accoring to the sound of the disk. It works and then it goes silent. When I boot init=/bin/bash, I again get the Unable to open an initial console message and then nothing, but the while before the disk goes silent is shorter. So I assume the prompt is somewhere out there. Interesting thing (for me, anyway ;-): when I tried to boot the old kernel (RH 5.1 A 1, 2.1.99), I got the same message about initial console. So there must be something wrong on the root filesystem. During the isntallation, I was not able to run a single process (like mount or cat, all end with Segmentation fault). When I booted to Upgrade, I was able to work with the /mnt filesystem just fine. I thought the initial console could be caused by a missing /etc/inittab but it's there. What could be the case? The upgrade fails with signal 8 when it should start installing the first selected package, but before that I can work rather well (just tried ls, cat, mount) with the filesystem, so I could fix the initial console problem, if I knew how ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 02:05:43 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA07121 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA54770 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:05:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA04678 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:05:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (oliver@aec.at) Received: from aec.at (web.aec.at [195.3.98.5]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA24707 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:05:08 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (oliver@aec.at) Received: from localhost (oliver@localhost) by aec.at (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id LAA24206; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:02:59 +0200 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:02:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Frommel To: Alex deVries cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 424 Lines: 18 > > Fine, swap doesn't work either. I don't mind skipping that for now. > hmm. _something_ seems to work here :) Starting kswapd v 1.5 Adding Swap: 50368k swap-space (priority -1) total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 28332 25716 2616 1676 4900 15956 -/+ buffers/cache: 4860 23472 Swap: 50368 988 49380 o. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 06:56:18 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA08610 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA63349 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:55:39 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA85688 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:55:37 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id GAA26092 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:55:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27000; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:54:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10552; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:54:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09548; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:54:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807161354.PAA09548@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jul 15, 98 06:13:15 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:54:50 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: adelton@informatics.muni.cz, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3339 Lines: 83 Alright, here are the steps I needed to do in order to have machine that would allow me to log in. To repeat what I stared with, I installed just the newtorked WS, did not select any aditional packages, did not remove any from selection, just base and network. The first problem: Unable to open initial console. Since you are able to boot Upgrade from network and have the second console available (do not start the upgrade, just boot it and hit twice Enter to get rid of those messages about mount failing), you can create the entries in the dev directory, that are missing and cause the trouble. I did cd /dev tar cf - * | ( cd /mnt/dev ; tar xvf - ) so you take the devices from the installation root (there are just about 8 of them, but there is console ther and that's you need). The install.log shows that the installation of the dev RPM failed, so that's why we need to create the devices by hand (obviously, when it says it fails, it really fails in some way ;-) So you have console but do not have devices for disks, so Linux won't be able to remount root, etc. I've found device /tmp/sdb2 still on the second console of Upgrade, numbers 8/18, so I created /mnt/dev/sdb2 and /mnt/dev/sdb1 with 8/18 and 8/17. You might be installing to different drives, but anyway, look around and you'll find the numbers. If you do not have /etc/passwd like I didn't, you can do echo 'root::0:0:root:/:/bin/bash' > /mnt/etc/passwd to be able to log in after you reboot. I think it's time to reboot, so do sync and reboot. I had to boot with init=/bin/bash because first I forgot to create the /etc/passwd, and second, the /bin/login said something about libraries (it just blinked and returned the prompt but I saw something like .so so I think that was it). So once you have bash# prompt, do /sbin/ldconfig. > > Some of the packages still complain about failing, on console 4 Unable > > to load interpreter. P.S.: I maybe did not stressed out that some of the packages failed _and_ some gave the following message -- I do not know which gave the message about ldconfig, but certainly not all that failed. During the install of 230 packages there were > > about 20 messages > > ldconfig: Exception at [<88109534>] (8810960c) > > _THAT_ worries me a lot. > > If you have an existing install of linux on your SGI, do this: > - install the ldconfig rpm that's in the distribution you have It was installed fine already ... > - run ldconfig ... so I did run ldconfig ... > Does that still give the exception? ... and no, no exception, just some messages about some libraries that I decided are harmless. Anyway, after this, I was able to log in on prompt and start ncftp to get the dev RPM and install it and install ssh to get to my mail and send this report. Do you want the install.log, Alex? I thought you said that the problem with failing packages was caused by csh and that it was harmless (just a message). I'm affraid it really means some problem, because it did not create the /dev entries and did not create the /etc/passwd. More later, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 07:12:59 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA08508 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA60923 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:12:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA12022 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:12:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA01408 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:12:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA07654; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:12:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:12:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Honza Pazdziora cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: <199807161354.PAA09548@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 236 Lines: 13 Okay, this queston is simple: are you 100% sure that you're not installing with old packages, and that the huge .tar.gz has the same md5sum ? - alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 07:32:30 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA02985 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA36764 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:31:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA40776 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:31:36 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA06672 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:29:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from zaphod (ralf@zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA24218; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:28:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id QAA09600; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:28:52 +0200 Message-ID: <19980716162850.30690@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:28:50 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Honza Pazdziora Cc: Alex deVries , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... References: <199807161354.PAA09548@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199807161354.PAA09548@aisa.fi.muni.cz>; from Honza Pazdziora on Thu, Jul 16, 1998 at 03:54:50PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 828 Lines: 22 On Thu, Jul 16, 1998 at 03:54:50PM +0200, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > P.S.: I maybe did not stressed out that some of the packages failed > _and_ some gave the following message -- I do not know which gave the > message about ldconfig, but certainly not all that failed. > > During the install of 230 packages there were > > > about 20 messages > > > ldconfig: Exception at [<88109534>] (8810960c) > > > > _THAT_ worries me a lot. That Exception message is just a debug message. It means that the kernel caught a user process passing a bad pointer argument. This message doesn't necessarily mean something fatal happend. > ... and no, no exception, just some messages about some libraries > that I decided are harmless. Anyway, after this, I was able to log in Harmless -> symlink pointing to nonexisting files? Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 07:36:18 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA11199 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA92019 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:36:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA28597 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:36:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA09251 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:36:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01869; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:35:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12022; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:35:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10832; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:35:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807161435.QAA10832@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: <19980716162850.30690@uni-koblenz.de> from "ralf@uni-koblenz.de" at "Jul 16, 98 04:28:50 pm" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:35:54 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: adelton@informatics.muni.cz, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 653 Lines: 14 > > ... and no, no exception, just some messages about some libraries > > that I decided are harmless. Anyway, after this, I was able to log in > > Harmless -> symlink pointing to nonexisting files? Well, something about libraries not existing (libpam and libpwdb), but when I checked the RPM it was installed OK and I was able to to log in, so I did not cosider it a problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 07:40:36 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA08972 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA04891 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:40:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA11160 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:40:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA10459 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:39:58 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02620; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:39:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12103; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:39:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10960; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:39:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807161439.QAA10960@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jul 16, 98 10:12:06 am" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:39:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: adelton@informatics.muni.cz, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 973 Lines: 20 > > Okay, this queston is simple: > > are you 100% sure that you're not installing with old packages, and that > the huge .tar.gz has the same md5sum ? I might be doing some stupid mistake somewhere but I just checked the checksum and it's the same, the installer says Hard Hat, it installs kernel 2.1.100 and there are 458 packages in the mipseb/RedHat/RPMS directory that came from the tar. And my nfsroot argument to $installinux point to tftpboot and from there the link goes to this mipseb subdirectory (you can actually check the unpacked tar at our mirror ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/sgi/redhat/mipseb, I install from that machine). So I'm like at 98 % that it's not the old version ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 09:18:59 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA85857 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA59522 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:18:08 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA71802 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:18:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA18196 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:18:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07488; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:17:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15368; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:17:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14485; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:17:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807161617.SAA14485@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Installing noarch packages In-Reply-To: <199807161439.QAA10960@aisa.fi.muni.cz> from Honza Pazdziora at "Jul 16, 98 04:39:53 pm" To: adelton@informatics.muni.cz (Honza Pazdziora) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:17:57 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, adelton@informatics.muni.cz, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 893 Lines: 22 Hello, when I try to install automake-1.3-2.noarch.rpm, I get package automake-1.3-2 is for a different architecture error: automake-1.3-2.noarch.rpm cannot be installed This is with rpm version 2.5.1 from HH 5.1 PR distribution. I even tried to build the automake rpm from src, got rpm fine but then ended with the same message. So I assume there is something wrong not with the noarch packages but with the rpm. BTW: the swap really is recognized and mounted during boot. So probably the only fix that is needed is to get rid of that menu Repartition / Continue (or change conditions upon which it is displayed). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 09:36:00 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA09392 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA19225 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:35:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA10421 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:34:57 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA25011 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:34:55 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07858; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:24:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15537; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:24:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14564; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:24:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807161624.SAA14564@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Installing noarch packages In-Reply-To: <199807161617.SAA14485@aisa.fi.muni.cz> from Honza Pazdziora at "Jul 16, 98 06:17:57 pm" To: adelton@informatics.muni.cz (Honza Pazdziora) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:24:40 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: adelton@informatics.muni.cz, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 675 Lines: 14 > > This is with rpm version 2.5.1 from HH 5.1 PR distribution. I even > tried to build the automake rpm from src, got rpm fine but then > ended with the same message. So I assume there is something wrong > not with the noarch packages but with the rpm. I forgot to say that you can of course install it with --ignorearch. Still, this might be the problem why the devices installfailed, couldn't it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 10:05:27 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA93163 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA24123 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:04:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA45982 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:04:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA08054 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:04:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10353 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:04:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16568 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:04:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15570 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:04:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807161704.TAA15570@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Some register dumps In-Reply-To: <199807161354.PAA09548@aisa.fi.muni.cz> from Honza Pazdziora at "Jul 16, 98 03:54:50 pm" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:04:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2035 Lines: 59 The first register dump I got when I tried to rpm -Uvh kernel-headers. I however believe that it was not caused by the package but by the overall activity on the system -- on rpm, one make, one lmbench. I still believe that I do not deserve a register dump ;-) I'm rewriting the numbers from paper, so there will be mistakes, I'm sure: Scheduling in interrupt page fault from irq handler: 0001 $0: 00000000 88140000 00000018 00000009 $4: 88146100 00000001 8899e000 88146100 $8: 00000720 88008000 00000001 00000000 $12: 00000008 000003e2 883749dc 80000000 $16: 89182000 89182000 00000000 89182000 $20: 00000001 0000000b 1fffffff bfb90000 $24: 00000002 8814793c $28: 89182000 89182568 89182568 880262e4 epc: 880262c4 Status: 3000fc03 Cause 0000000c Aiee, killing interrupt handler This run across the scrren for some while, then it stopped. The previous copies seemed still the same -- at least at a glance. The second dump I got when compilling ssh, going some ftps and ssh. Scheduling in interrupt page fault from irq handler: 0001 $0: 00000000 88140000 00000018 00000009 $4: 88146100 00000001 88700000 88146100 $8: 00000720 88008000 00000001 00000000 $12: 00000008 000003e2 883749dc 80000000 $16: 88ebe000 88ebe000 00000000 88ebe000 $20: 00000001 0000000b 1fffffff bfb90000 $24: 00000000 00000000 $28: 88ebe000 88ebe4e0 88ebe4e0 880s62c4 epc: 880262c4 Status: 3000fc03 Cause 0000000c Aiee, killing interrupt handler after which one line kmem_free: Bad obj addr (objp = 88ebe430, name=signal_queue) and then another 30 or so lines of kmem_free: Bad obj addr (objp = 00000007, name=signal_queue) This is 2.1.100 from HH 5.1 PR distribution, R4600PC, 32 MB. The register lsitings wouldn't bother me if they did not crash my machine at the same time ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 10:10:26 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA12726 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA72354 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:09:51 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA72671 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:09:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA10687 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:09:45 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10615 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:09:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16687 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:09:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15707 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:09:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807161709.TAA15707@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Message while mounting NFS In-Reply-To: <199807161617.SAA14485@aisa.fi.muni.cz> from Honza Pazdziora at "Jul 16, 98 06:17:57 pm" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:09:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1230 Lines: 27 Hello, These messages run accross console and go to syslog when I mount NFS disk from remote host: Jul 16 17:04:33 nemesis kernel: lockd_up: no pid, 2 users?? Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: portmap: RPC call returned error 146 Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: RPC: task of released request still queued! Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: RPC: (task is on xprt_pending) Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: portmap: RPC call returned error 146 Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: RPC: task of released request still queued! Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: RPC: (task is on xprt_pending) Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: lockd_up: makesock failed, error=-146 Jul 16 17:04:48 nemesis kernel: portmap: RPC call returned error 146 Jul 16 17:04:48 nemesis kernel: RPC: task of released request still queued! Jul 16 17:04:48 nemesis kernel: RPC: (task is on xprt_pending) The filesystem is however mounted and further works OK. The remote system is Solaris 2.5.1. Yours, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 10:14:32 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA14256 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA34522 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:13:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA84324 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:13:52 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA12115 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:13:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA14289; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:13:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:13:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Honza Pazdziora cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Message while mounting NFS In-Reply-To: <199807161709.TAA15707@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1735 Lines: 48 Yup... this, I'm told, is because the NFS client in 2.1.100 is a bit sick. that won't get fixed until we do a bit of kernel work. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:09:42 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Honza Pazdziora > To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com > Subject: Message while mounting NFS > > > Hello, > > These messages run accross console and go to syslog when I mount > NFS disk from remote host: > > Jul 16 17:04:33 nemesis kernel: lockd_up: no pid, 2 users?? > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: portmap: RPC call returned error 146 > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: RPC: task of released request still queued! > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: RPC: (task is on xprt_pending) > Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: portmap: RPC call returned error 146 > Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: RPC: task of released request still queued! > Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: RPC: (task is on xprt_pending) > Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: lockd_up: makesock failed, error=-146 > Jul 16 17:04:48 nemesis kernel: portmap: RPC call returned error 146 > Jul 16 17:04:48 nemesis kernel: RPC: task of released request still queued! > Jul 16 17:04:48 nemesis kernel: RPC: (task is on xprt_pending) > > The filesystem is however mounted and further works OK. The remote > system is Solaris 2.5.1. > > Yours, > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ > I can take or leave it if I please > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 10:21:06 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA99985 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA84272 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:19:52 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA34502 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (dliu@npiww.com) Received: from dirtpan.npiww.com (dirtpan.networkprograms.com [207.113.23.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id KAA14635 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:19:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (dliu@npiww.com) Received: from pluto.npi.com [192.9.202.51] by dirtpan.npiww.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA27448; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:28:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:38:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199807161738.NAA17076@pluto.npiww.com> From: Dong Liu To: Honza Pazdziora Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Message while mounting NFS In-Reply-To: <199807161709.TAA15707@aisa.fi.muni.cz> References: <199807161617.SAA14485@aisa.fi.muni.cz> <199807161709.TAA15707@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1202 Lines: 29 Honza Pazdziora writes: > > Hello, > > These messages run accross console and go to syslog when I mount > NFS disk from remote host: > > Jul 16 17:04:33 nemesis kernel: lockd_up: no pid, 2 users?? > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: portmap: RPC call returned error 146 > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: RPC: task of released request still queued! > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: RPC: (task is on xprt_pending) > Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: portmap: RPC call returned error 146 > Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: RPC: task of released request still queued! > Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: RPC: (task is on xprt_pending) > Jul 16 17:04:43 nemesis kernel: lockd_up: makesock failed, error=-146 > Jul 16 17:04:48 nemesis kernel: portmap: RPC call returned error 146 > Jul 16 17:04:48 nemesis kernel: RPC: task of released request still queued! > Jul 16 17:04:48 nemesis kernel: RPC: (task is on xprt_pending) > > The filesystem is however mounted and further works OK. The remote > system is Solaris 2.5.1. > I think this is a bug of red hat system (BTW, where I can send them this bug report?), portmapper is started after nfsfs, it should be started before nfsfs. Dong From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 10:50:27 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA13975 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA72767 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:49:53 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA40633 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:49:50 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (weejock@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk) Received: from ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk (ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk [163.1.138.204]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id KAA29222 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (weejock@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk) Received: (qmail 21972 invoked by uid 504); 16 Jul 1998 17:49:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 17:49:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:49:47 +0100 (GMT) From: Matthew Kirkwood To: Honza Pazdziora cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Message while mounting NFS In-Reply-To: <199807161709.TAA15707@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 530 Lines: 17 On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > These messages run accross console and go to syslog when I mount > NFS disk from remote host: > > Jul 16 17:04:33 nemesis kernel: lockd_up: no pid, 2 users?? > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: portmap: RPC call returned error 146 > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: RPC: task of released request still queued! > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: RPC: (task is on xprt_pending) [snip] I think this is because the 2.1 NFS client does not like running without a local portmap. Matthew. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 10:59:33 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA15314 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA17868 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:59:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from piecomputer.engr.sgi.com (piecomputer.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.62]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA95228 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:59:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mende@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from mende@localhost) by piecomputer.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA47684; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807161759.KAA47684@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com> From: Bob Mende Pie To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linus downtime Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 232 Lines: 6 Tommorow linus will be down between 10:00 PST and 11:00 PST to be moved from one rack to another. /Bob... mailto:mende@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/mende KF6EID From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 11:11:15 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA09049 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA29352 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:11:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA82015 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:11:03 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA09169 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:11:02 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA16727; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:10:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Honza Pazdziora cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Installing noarch packages In-Reply-To: <199807161617.SAA14485@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1576 Lines: 50 there's a problem with /usr/lib/rpmrc then. It should have a line like: arch_compat: mipseb: noarch If that doesn't work, try adding: arch_compat: mips: noarch in it. Hm. I thought I'd fixed that. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:17:57 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Honza Pazdziora > To: Honza Pazdziora > Cc: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, adelton@informatics.muni.cz, > linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com > Subject: Installing noarch packages > > > Hello, > > when I try to install automake-1.3-2.noarch.rpm, I get > > package automake-1.3-2 is for a different architecture > error: automake-1.3-2.noarch.rpm cannot be installed > > This is with rpm version 2.5.1 from HH 5.1 PR distribution. I even > tried to build the automake rpm from src, got rpm fine but then > ended with the same message. So I assume there is something wrong > not with the noarch packages but with the rpm. > > BTW: the swap really is recognized and mounted during boot. So > probably the only fix that is needed is to get rid of that menu > Repartition / Continue (or change conditions upon which it is > displayed). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ > I can take or leave it if I please > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 11:09:34 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA94837 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA12450 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:02 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA26505; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:08:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA08211; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:08:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA13524; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:08:29 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0ywsXV-000aQNC; Thu, 16 Jul 98 19:13 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Linus downtime To: mende@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com (Bob Mende Pie) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:13:56 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199807161759.KAA47684@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com> from "Bob Mende Pie" at Jul 16, 98 10:59:12 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 145 Lines: 5 > Tommorow linus will be down between 10:00 PST and 11:00 PST to be moved > from one rack to another. What are you doing to the poor man ;) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 11:53:07 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA26303 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA32780 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:52:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA44002 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:52:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA98466 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199807161852.LAA98466@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: SGI/Linux mirror in taiwan To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 776 Lines: 27 [Just forwarding with subject change. This bounced... I resubscribed Francis with his address.] Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:04:59 +0800 From: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" To: Linux Subject: Summary of the bug.... :-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 - ftp/ftpd has slowdown problem receiving big file (270M) reget was normal at first, slowed quickly. (probably the shortage problem of usable memory, may/may not be cured until the swapon works.) -- Hey, Taiwanese can download your hardhet linux from ftp://helix.life.nthu.edu.tw/pub/ :-) ----- End of forwarded message from owner-linux@cthulhu ----- -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 11:53:49 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA26375 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA03620 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:53:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA89966 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA91562 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199807161853.LAA91562@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: apache and other problems (fwd) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1896 Lines: 52 [forwarding bounced message] ----- Forwarded message from owner-linux@cthulhu ----- From: "Francis M.J. Hsieh" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The pre-release of Hard Hat Linux for SGI... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79e In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 07:38:32PM -0400 On Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 07:38:32PM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > Enjoy, and let me know if you do have the bandwidth do download and use > it. This two files were uploaded in ftp://helix.life.nthu.edu.tw/pub/ (yes, it is a Linux/SGI machine) for people in Taiwan save their download time. I got some problem here. - apache httpd is still buggy (can't deliver text/html correctly) - ifconfig is still buggy, TX packets is 0 (see followed) | [root@helix /root]# ifconfig | lo Link encap:Local Loopback | inet addr:127.0.0.1 Bcast:127.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0 | UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3584 Metric:1 | RX packets:27 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 | TX packets:0 errors:1962 dropped:27 overruns:0 | | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 08:00:69:08:BD:9A | inet addr:140.114.98.34 Bcast:140.114.98.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 | UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 | RX packets:157929 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 | TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:72422 overruns:0 | Interrupt:3 - mouse doesn't work? -- Francis M. J. Hsieh | Email: mjhsieh@life.nthu.edu.tw Life Science Department, | Webpage: http://www.life.nthu.edu.tw/~mjhsieh/ National Tsing Hua Univ, | Voice: +886 3 5715131 ext 3482 HsinChu, Taiwan Republic | +886 3 5715649 ----- End of forwarded message from owner-linux@cthulhu ----- -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 12:12:22 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA22667 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA10166 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:11:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA21467 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:11:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (tomilepp@ousrvr2.oulu.fi) Received: from ousrvr2.oulu.fi (ousrvr2.oulu.fi [130.231.240.7]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA05625 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:11:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (tomilepp@ousrvr2.oulu.fi) Received: (from tomilepp@localhost) by ousrvr2.oulu.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA29531 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:11:27 +0300 (EET DST) From: Tomi Leppikangas Message-Id: <199807161911.WAA29531@ousrvr2.oulu.fi> Subject: hardred install To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:11:27 +0300 (EET DST) Reply-To: Tomi.Leppikangas@oulu.fi X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 491 Lines: 16 Hi, Fine work, i now get that installed without warnings of anykind, last time i had problems with swap. Actually i booted and installed with older kernel, becouse i was lazy to setup bootp server, so i copied kernel to sgi-partition and booted with vmlinux nfsaddrds=ip:server_ip that doesnt work with new kernel, it got stuck when waiting for bootp reply. Now just waiting for x-server :) -- ## Tomi.Leppikangas@oulu.fi ## ## http://www.student.oulu.fi/~tomilepp/ ## From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 12:14:16 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA11656 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA82671 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:14:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA55373 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:13:57 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA06411 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:13:51 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-06.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.6]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20427 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:13:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA03925; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:13:33 +0200 Message-ID: <19980716211332.A3772@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:13:32 +0200 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Mozilla Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 238 Lines: 8 Hi, if you want to play with Mozilla, then you'll need the kernel patch which I've just checked in. It's a tiny first attempt at writing the floating point support code for the kernel but it is at least good enough for Mozilla. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 22:25:51 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA05392 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA98807 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:25:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA93719 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:25:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA03806 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:25:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA12819; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:24:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Igor Loncarevic cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: What about... In-Reply-To: <35ADF6D0.46FCB21E@BanjaLuka.NET> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 240 Lines: 11 On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Igor Loncarevic wrote: > What about Linux for Origin2000 SGI? > Is there any possibility to run Linux on Origin? I would say there's almost no chance of running Linux on an Origin 2000 anytime this century. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 22:28:36 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA05431 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA10836 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:28:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA02771 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:28:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA04737 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:28:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA12871; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:28:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:28:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Dong Liu cc: Honza Pazdziora , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Message while mounting NFS In-Reply-To: <199807161738.NAA17076@pluto.npiww.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 575 Lines: 16 On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Dong Liu wrote: > I think this is a bug of red hat system (BTW, where I can send them this bug > report?), portmapper is started after nfsfs, it should be started before > nfsfs. Does starting portmapper before nfsfs actually work for you? I still had NFS client problems on my HH install (although the client works somewhat better on my totally custom and hacked install). You don't mail them to redhat, you mail them to me or the list... redhat doesn't really have anything to do with it apart from selling this and us using their source. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 22:31:22 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA05465 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA82837 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:30:55 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com (xtp.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.34]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA82691 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:30:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id WAA17361; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:30:48 -0700 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9807162230.ZM17359@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:30:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: Alex deVries "Re: What about..." (Jul 17, 1:24am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: Alex deVries , Igor Loncarevic Subject: Re: What about... Cc: SGI Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 196 Lines: 10 Alex is right. Linux on Origin 2000 would be a huge project - not just a port. We have much better chances getting Linux up on SGIs yet-to-be-revealed Intel-based platforms. g -- Greg Chesson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jul 16 22:34:28 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA05510 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA03767 for linux-list; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:34:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA67008; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:34:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA06297; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:34:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA12926; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:32:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:32:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: "Francis M.J. Hsieh" , Ariel Faigon cc: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: apache and other problems (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199807161853.LAA91562@oz.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1094 Lines: 34 On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Ariel Faigon wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from owner-linux@cthulhu ----- > From: "Francis M.J. Hsieh" > > This two files were uploaded in ftp://helix.life.nthu.edu.tw/pub/ > (yes, it is a Linux/SGI machine) for people in Taiwan save their > download time. Cool. > I got some problem here. > - apache httpd is still buggy (can't deliver text/html correctly) I don't know what that problem is; mine works fine. Does it accept a TCP connection properly? > - ifconfig is still buggy, TX packets is 0 (see followed) Yeah, I think we went over that before although I don't remember what the solution was. > - mouse doesn't work? In the HH install, there's a package called 'kernel-2.1.100-2'. If you install this, you'll have something like /boot/vmlinux-2.1.100. That kernel (2.1.100) should have mouse support in it. you'll have to make a symbolic link from /dev/psaux to /dev/mouse. For reasons I don't want to get into, the kernel in the install really sucks, and you should throw it away ASAP and use the packaged one. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 00:17:02 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA06917 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA34128 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:16:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA47202 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:16:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id AAA28417 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:16:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28953; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:16:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03803; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:16:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24626; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:16:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807170716.JAA24626@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Installing noarch packages In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jul 16, 98 02:10:59 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:16:10 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: adelton@informatics.muni.cz, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 504 Lines: 15 > > there's a problem with /usr/lib/rpmrc then. It should have a line like: > arch_compat: mipseb: noarch This was there already. > If that doesn't work, try adding: > arch_compat: mips: noarch This fixed the problem. Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 00:51:10 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA12721 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA16464 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:50:39 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA24239 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:50:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id AAA04779 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:50:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00410; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:50:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04921; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:50:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25556; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:50:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807170750.JAA25556@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Message while mounting NFS In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jul 17, 98 01:28:19 am" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:50:24 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: dliu@npiww.com, adelton@informatics.muni.cz, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 676 Lines: 15 > > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Dong Liu wrote: > > I think this is a bug of red hat system (BTW, where I can send them this bug > > report?), portmapper is started after nfsfs, it should be started before > > nfsfs. > > Does starting portmapper before nfsfs actually work for you? I still had Thanks to all. Yes, installing portmap-4.0-11.mipseb.rpm and moving S40portmap do S14portmap fixes the problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 00:54:31 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA14394 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA92694 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:54:23 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA45913 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:54:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id AAA05589 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:54:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00528; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:54:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05021; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:54:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25634; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:54:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807170754.JAA25634@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Message while mounting NFS In-Reply-To: <35AE3661.2E1A7F2F@detroit.sgi.com> from Eric Kimminau at "Jul 16, 98 01:20:33 pm" To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:54:05 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: adelton@informatics.muni.cz, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1274 Lines: 31 > Honza Pazdziora wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > These messages run accross console and go to syslog when I mount > > NFS disk from remote host: > > > > Jul 16 17:04:33 nemesis kernel: lockd_up: no pid, 2 users?? > > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: portmap: RPC call returned error 146 > > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: RPC: task of released request still queued! > > Jul 16 17:04:38 nemesis kernel: RPC: (task is on xprt_pending) [...] > Try forcing an rsize and wsize of 8k (8192), make sure you are up to > date on nfs, mountd and lockd patches, try forcing mounts to NFSv2 and > if all else fails (my favorite) remove rpcbind from the picture. Well, just starting portmap before NFS mounting the disks helped. I'm however not able to say how "system" this solutions is ;-) > ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 > Eric Kimminau FTA/RSA > eak@detroit.sgi.com Silicon Graphics, Inc [CC sent to SGI/Linux list] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 00:57:54 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA17803 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA74399 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:57:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA37039; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:57:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id AAA06665; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:57:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00673; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:57:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05127; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:57:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25693; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:57:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807170757.JAA25693@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: SGI/Linux mirror in taiwan In-Reply-To: <199807161852.LAA98466@oz.engr.sgi.com> from Ariel Faigon at "Jul 16, 98 11:52:11 am" To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:57:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 883 Lines: 20 > > - ftp/ftpd has slowdown problem receiving big file (270M) > reget was normal at first, slowed quickly. > > (probably the shortage problem of usable memory, may/may > not be cured until the swapon works.) Can't this be the general problem of 2.1.99 slowing down? I've experianced the same, IMO caused by the value of buffers very high, not being freed, or so. The swap did not really matter because the kernel did not touch the swap at all. It just did not have any free memory. You might benefit from downloading new kernel from the test directory and run with it. It doesn't slow down anymore. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 01:10:38 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA18048 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA16231 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:10:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA30801 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:09:58 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id BAA09460 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:09:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01930; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:09:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05788; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:09:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26176; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:09:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807170809.KAA26176@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Mouse support in 2.1.100-2 In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jul 17, 98 01:32:29 am" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:09:43 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 928 Lines: 28 > > - mouse doesn't work? > > In the HH install, there's a package called 'kernel-2.1.100-2'. If you > install this, you'll have something like /boot/vmlinux-2.1.100. That > kernel (2.1.100) should have mouse support in it. you'll have to make a > symbolic link from /dev/psaux to /dev/mouse. I'm using the new kernel but am confused about the devices. Should I have psaux (10/1) and mouse -> psaux ? Here gpm fails with gpm: /dev/mouse: Operation not supported by device and the same message I get then I do cat /dev/psaux. Or mouse (4/64) and psaux -> mouse ? Here gpm starts without a problem but no running cursor on the screen. Yours, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 01:23:41 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA17811 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA04340 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:23:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA03708 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:23:08 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (helix.life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.34]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id BAA12184 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:23:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA00558; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:23:01 +0800 Message-ID: <19980717162300.A535@life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:23:00 +0800 From: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" To: Linux Subject: Re: apache and other problems (fwd) References: <199807161853.LAA91562@oz.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 01:32:29AM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 738 Lines: 18 On Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 01:32:29AM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, "Francis M.J. Hsieh" wrote: > > I got some problem here. > > - apache httpd is still buggy (can't deliver text/html correctly) > > I don't know what that problem is; mine works fine. Does it accept a TCP > connection properly? oh, it fixed in vmlinux-2.1.100 > > - mouse doesn't work? > In the HH install, there's a package called 'kernel-2.1.100-2'. If you > install this, you'll have something like /boot/vmlinux-2.1.100. That > kernel (2.1.100) should have mouse support in it. you'll have to make a > symbolic link from /dev/psaux to /dev/mouse. well, how can I get gpm work? I had ln -s it, and it didn't work. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 07:12:32 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA25523 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA69624 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:11:56 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA34220; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:11:53 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA11412; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:11:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:11:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199807171411.HAA11412@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Alex deVries , Igor Loncarevic , SGI Linux Subject: Re: What about... In-Reply-To: <9807162230.ZM17359@xtp.engr.sgi.com> References: <9807162230.ZM17359@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 773 Lines: 16 Greg Chesson writes: > Alex is right. > Linux on Origin 2000 would be a huge project - not just a port. ... Note that the reason it would be a big project is not so much the hardware itself, but rather the scale of the system. IRIX needed a lot of infrastructure work to be useful on very large system with a very large number of I/O buses and devices. That is, a toy port would not be all that giant a project, but it would not be particularly useful. If there were a good linux on some other very large ccNUMA machine, then an Origin port would be much simpler. By "good", I mean a linux which scale well for large (greater than 32) processor and I/O count (many I/O buses and thousands of disk). It expect such a linux will happen eventually, but not yet. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 08:03:06 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA26410 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA72686 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:02:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA76640; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:01:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA11497; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:01:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA04452; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:01:41 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0yxC6E-000aOoC; Fri, 17 Jul 98 16:07 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: What about... To: wje@fir.engr.sgi.com (William J. Earl) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:07:04 +0100 (BST) Cc: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, anubis@BanjaLuka.NET, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199807171411.HAA11412@fir.engr.sgi.com> from "William J. Earl" at Jul 17, 98 07:11:42 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 660 Lines: 13 > that giant a project, but it would not be particularly useful. If there > were a good linux on some other very large ccNUMA machine, then an Origin > port would be much simpler. By "good", I mean a linux which scale well > for large (greater than 32) processor and I/O count (many I/O buses > and thousands of disk). It expect such a linux will happen eventually, > but not yet. The obvious starting point would probably be the older (386/486) sequent boxes. I almost got somewhere with this but one bit of sequent wasnt willing to be helpful and counted its bus arbitrators as staying NDA. That was 2 years ago so I ought to chase them again I guess From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 08:44:42 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA27264 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA40354 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:44:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA01842 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:44:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (dliu@npiww.com) Received: from dirtpan.npiww.com (dirtpan.networkprograms.com [207.113.23.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id IAA26244 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:44:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (dliu@npiww.com) Received: from pluto.npi.com [192.9.202.51] by dirtpan.npiww.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA31409; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:53:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:03:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199807171603.MAA04280@pluto.npiww.com> From: Dong Liu To: Alex deVries Cc: Dong Liu , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Message while mounting NFS In-Reply-To: References: <199807161738.NAA17076@pluto.npiww.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1051 Lines: 31 Alex deVries writes: > > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Dong Liu wrote: > > I think this is a bug of red hat system (BTW, where I can send them this bug > > report?), portmapper is started after nfsfs, it should be started before > > nfsfs. > > Does starting portmapper before nfsfs actually work for you? I still had > NFS client problems on my HH install (although the client works somewhat > better on my totally custom and hacked install). Yes, it works for me, the only thing I changed is the "chkconfig" line of /etc/rc.d/init.d/{portmap,nfsfs} and run "chkconfig reset", no more kernel error message and long delay of mounting nfs. Here is another thought, in order to mount /usr as nfs, should portmap be under /sbin instead of /usr/sbin? BTW, speaking of nfs, I have observed another problem, when I first login to a user whose home directory is nfs mounted from an HP server, sgi linux kernel prints NFS: server xxxx, readdir reply truncated NFS: nr=156, slots=2, len=10 All the i386 linux boxes don't exhibit this problem Dong From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 10:11:34 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA39417 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA53482 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:10:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA59346 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:10:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA01819 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:10:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA30396; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:09:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:09:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Tomi.Leppikangas@oulu.fi cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: hardred install In-Reply-To: <199807161911.WAA29531@ousrvr2.oulu.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 545 Lines: 22 On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Tomi Leppikangas wrote: > Fine work, i now get that installed without warnings of > anykind, last time i had problems with swap. Yay! > Actually i booted and installed with older kernel, becouse i was lazy to > setup bootp server, so i copied kernel to sgi-partition and booted with > vmlinux nfsaddrds=ip:server_ip > that doesnt work with new kernel, it got stuck when waiting > for bootp reply. I will have a look at it. > Now just waiting for x-server :) Well, Mike's got multi coloured bars working... - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 10:13:10 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA39415 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA03717 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:12:44 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA73511 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:12:41 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA02914 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:12:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA30519; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:12:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:12:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Honza Pazdziora cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Installing noarch packages In-Reply-To: <199807170716.JAA24626@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1033 Lines: 38 I'll get a new rpm of rpm that fixes this; I think I submitted that fix for rpm 2.5.2 anyway. - alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:16:10 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Honza Pazdziora > To: Alex deVries > Cc: adelton@informatics.muni.cz, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com > Subject: Re: Installing noarch packages > > > > > there's a problem with /usr/lib/rpmrc then. It should have a line like: > > arch_compat: mipseb: noarch > > This was there already. > > > If that doesn't work, try adding: > > arch_compat: mips: noarch > > This fixed the problem. Thanks, > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ > I can take or leave it if I please > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 10:13:29 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA39469 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA42911 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA24930 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA03345 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA30548; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:13:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:13:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Honza Pazdziora cc: dliu@npiww.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Message while mounting NFS In-Reply-To: <199807170750.JAA25556@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1208 Lines: 37 I'll create appropriate updates to fix this. That should be a piece of cake. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:50:24 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Honza Pazdziora > To: Alex deVries > Cc: dliu@npiww.com, adelton@informatics.muni.cz, > linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com > Subject: Re: Message while mounting NFS > > > > > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Dong Liu wrote: > > > I think this is a bug of red hat system (BTW, where I can send them this bug > > > report?), portmapper is started after nfsfs, it should be started before > > > nfsfs. > > > > Does starting portmapper before nfsfs actually work for you? I still had > > Thanks to all. Yes, installing portmap-4.0-11.mipseb.rpm and moving > S40portmap do S14portmap fixes the problem. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ > I can take or leave it if I please > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 10:21:53 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA39861 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA56898 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:20:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA69991; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA05465; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:18:58 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA30876; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:18:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:18:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Honza Pazdziora cc: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: SGI/Linux mirror in taiwan In-Reply-To: <199807170757.JAA25693@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 404 Lines: 14 On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Honza Pazdziora wrote: > You might benefit from downloading new kernel from the test directory > and run with it. It doesn't slow down anymore. Or if you have the Hard Hat distribution, install kernel-2.1.100-2.mipseb.rpm. There's a good kernel in /boot that should work. Also, you should be able to build your own kernel that works, although I confess I haven't tried. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 10:33:04 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA41049 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA28335 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:31:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA64289; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:31:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA10016; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:30:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA28341; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:29:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id TAA01837; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:29:55 +0200 Message-ID: <19980717192954.16464@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:29:54 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: "William J. Earl" Cc: Alex deVries , Igor Loncarevic , SGI Linux Subject: Re: What about... References: <9807162230.ZM17359@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <199807171411.HAA11412@fir.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199807171411.HAA11412@fir.engr.sgi.com>; from William J. Earl on Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 07:11:42AM -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2071 Lines: 39 On Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 07:11:42AM -0700, William J. Earl wrote: > Greg Chesson writes: > > Alex is right. > > Linux on Origin 2000 would be a huge project - not just a port. > ... > > Note that the reason it would be a big project is not so much the > hardware itself, but rather the scale of the system. IRIX needed a lot > of infrastructure work to be useful on very large system with a very large > number of I/O buses and devices. That is, a toy port would not be all > that giant a project, but it would not be particularly useful. If there > were a good linux on some other very large ccNUMA machine, then an Origin > port would be much simpler. By "good", I mean a linux which scale well > for large (greater than 32) processor and I/O count (many I/O buses > and thousands of disk). It expect such a linux will happen eventually, > but not yet. Actually some people begin to be interested in Linux for huge installations. For example a bank recently offer us some machine time on a maximum configuration (64 CPU, 64GB RAM) E10000 for porting Linux. This didn't happen (yet?) for other reasons, but it shows that there is interest. For the time being most large Linux installations are based on the Beowulf clustering software - and I think place 318 on the list on the top 500 list of supercomputer installations is quite remarkable for something which's OS software is being shipped for USD 29.95 by RedHat. Anyway, as far as our MIPS port goes we first need to implement SMP at all before we should think about scaling. More about Linux in general - most people are currentl using Linux/SMP on dual processors, few on quad CPU systems and even fewer on larger systems. This is about where the market of Linux and it's limits are. But the tradition of Linux shows that technology for which a demand exists will be developed sooner or later. Where Linux technology exists, usually a market will develop. So far I see a demand for older SGI SMP systems, Origin 200 systems (quite some inquiries) but not yet for Origin 2000 systems. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 10:41:49 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA41109 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA76908 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:41:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA10978 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:41:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA13712 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:40:48 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA29492 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:40:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id TAA01849; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:40:42 +0200 Message-ID: <19980717194042.18202@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:40:42 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Pthreads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 869 Lines: 21 Hi all, for all those who don't get the CVS commit logs - I've fixed the problem in the libc wrapper for the clone system call; kernel threads seem now to be running almot perfect. The only nit which I still observe is that for newly created threads the stacks will be allocated from KSEG0 on downward. When creating many threads somewhen the address space for the stacks will collide with the address space where libraries etc. are mmap(2)ed, resulting in a SIGSEGV. This never seems to happen on Intel because there we have one 1gb more of address space, so the process table will usually be filled (by default 1024 entries) before this collission happens. Looks like a buglet in pthreads which doesn't seem to be very critical for now, but which wants to be researched. There are some more libc things to be done and I'll provide an updated libc asap. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 10:45:22 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA41217 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA96039 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA08897; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:44:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA14850; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:43:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA29689; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:43:21 +0200 (MEST) Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id TAA01859; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:43:20 +0200 Message-ID: <19980717194320.27628@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:43:20 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Alan Cox Cc: "William J. Earl" , adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, anubis@BanjaLuka.NET, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: What about... References: <199807171411.HAA11412@fir.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Alan Cox on Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 04:07:04PM +0100 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 896 Lines: 19 On Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 04:07:04PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > that giant a project, but it would not be particularly useful. If there > > were a good linux on some other very large ccNUMA machine, then an Origin > > port would be much simpler. By "good", I mean a linux which scale well > > for large (greater than 32) processor and I/O count (many I/O buses > > and thousands of disk). It expect such a linux will happen eventually, > > but not yet. > > The obvious starting point would probably be the older (386/486) sequent > boxes. I almost got somewhere with this but one bit of sequent wasnt > willing to be helpful and counted its bus arbitrators as staying NDA. > > That was 2 years ago so I ought to chase them again I guess Do you have hardware? I know an installation which might want to get rid of their 486 based 32 processor Sequent system if they didn't already. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 10:47:34 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA35826 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA19730 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:47:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com (xtp.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.34]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA82271 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:47:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id KAA18722; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:47:02 -0700 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9807171047.ZM18720@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:47:02 -0700 In-Reply-To: "William J. Earl" "Re: What about..." (Jul 17, 7:11am) References: <9807162230.ZM17359@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <199807171411.HAA11412@fir.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: "William J. Earl" , Alex deVries , Igor Loncarevic , SGI Linux Subject: Re: What about... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 737 Lines: 18 Bill is, of course, quite correct. In addition to the observations about the scale of the system, realize also that a ccNUMA machine has a memory system for each cpu node in the system. The physical base addresses of these blocks of memory are aligned on multi-gigabyte boundaries. The high-order bits of the address designate the cpu node, the rest address the physical memory, etc etc. What this means is that physical memory space has many "holes"... The idea of a simple buddy-system allocator as is ingrained in the Linux kernel falls apart completely in the face of this kind of architecture. I suppose you could run a copy of Linux on every node, but I consider that an excuse rather than a solution. g -- Greg Chesson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 10:49:16 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA41366 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA74348 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA38260; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:48:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA17331; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:48:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA08219; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:48:05 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0yxEhF-000aOoC; Fri, 17 Jul 98 18:53 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: What about... To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:53:28 +0100 (BST) Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, wje@fir.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, anubis@BanjaLuka.NET, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <19980717194320.27628@uni-koblenz.de> from "ralf@uni-koblenz.de" at Jul 17, 98 07:43:20 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 371 Lines: 10 > Do you have hardware? I know an installation which might want to get rid I dont. I had an offer at the time, and I did some digging on the older boxes also recently on the new ones - did you know Sequent Numa-Q appears to use non standard microcode ? > of their 486 based 32 processor Sequent system if they didn't already. I can just imagine the shipping cost ;) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 11:02:38 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA44634 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA80204 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:01:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com (xtp.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.34]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA27969 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:01:45 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id LAA18757; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:01:43 -0700 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9807171101.ZM18755@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:01:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de "Re: What about..." (Jul 17, 7:29pm) References: <9807162230.ZM17359@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <199807171411.HAA11412@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980717192954.16464@uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, "William J. Earl" Subject: Re: What about... Cc: Alex deVries , Igor Loncarevic , SGI Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1694 Lines: 35 Ralf, Beowolf machines don't have adequate IO for applications other than things that resemble Linpack. The teraflop machine at Sandia would like to generate output every 5 or 10 minutes, but it takes an hour to get the computation result out of the machine. Beowolf machines tend to not have adequate bisection bandwidth more many kinds of codes. Anything that requires a cornerturn (transpose) is a good example. Also, Beowolf machines tend to run a single code for many hours: they don't multiplex well, or sometimes at all. But multiplexing and adapting to a dynamic load is expected of many large scale machines and that requires some OS support not found in the single-cpu or small-cpu-count OS or existing middleware. We cannot afford to build machines that are good only for Linpack.... it is better to build a Beowolf cluster if that is the best fit for the job. It is rather ignorant to think that because something like Beowolf can do some some types of applications well, that some software work can make it do all jobs well. That's like saying a Volkswagon could go 300 kph if you drive carefully. Linux has proven to be worthwhile as a node controller in an MPP architecture - that's what a Beowolf is. But that does not make it ready for SMP nodes that scale to large numbers. It seems wasteful to program a large scale ccNUMA machine the same way as a Beowolf cluster: you'd be throwing away most of the capabilities of the hardware. That's why I don't think it is interesting or particularly useful... unless a massive amount of work went into rewriting the io and memory management subsystems, not to mention scheduling, administration, etc. g -- Greg Chesson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 11:10:21 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA49394 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA19577 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:09:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA09523; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:09:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA29658; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:09:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA08530; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:08:56 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0yxF1A-000aOoC; Fri, 17 Jul 98 19:14 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: What about... To: greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com (Greg Chesson) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:14:04 +0100 (BST) Cc: wje@fir.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, anubis@BanjaLuka.NET, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <9807171047.ZM18720@xtp.engr.sgi.com> from "Greg Chesson" at Jul 17, 98 10:47:02 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 459 Lines: 9 > many "holes"... The idea of a simple buddy-system allocator as is > ingrained in the Linux kernel falls apart completely in the face of > this kind of architecture. I suppose you could run a copy of Linux > on every node, but I consider that an excuse rather than a solution. Actually the Linux buddy stuff is quite happy with holes. Its still completely inappropriate. From the above I deduce we'd have to do mips64 before we even considerd it anyway From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 11:21:02 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA49508 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA64800 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA82176; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:20:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA12327; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:19:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:19:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199807171819.LAA12327@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: "Greg Chesson" Cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, Alex deVries , Igor Loncarevic , SGI Linux Subject: Re: What about... In-Reply-To: <9807171101.ZM18755@xtp.engr.sgi.com> References: <9807162230.ZM17359@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <199807171411.HAA11412@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980717192954.16464@uni-koblenz.de> <9807171101.ZM18755@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1630 Lines: 33 Greg Chesson writes: ... > Linux has proven to be worthwhile as a node controller in an MPP architecture - > that's what a Beowolf is. But that does not make it ready for SMP nodes > that scale to large numbers. It seems wasteful to program a large scale > ccNUMA machine the same way as a Beowolf cluster: you'd be throwing away > most of the capabilities of the hardware. That's why I don't > think it is interesting or particularly useful... unless a massive amount > of work went into rewriting the io and memory management subsystems, > not to mention scheduling, administration, etc. ... I expect that much of the work will gradually happen in linux, once the remaining small-CPU-count issues are resolved. Right now, there is no shortage of interesting problems to attack. :-) One possible way to approach the large-CPU-count space with linux is to indeed run multiple linux kernels, one per node in a ccNUMA machine, and add a distributed OS layer at a fairly high level. If it is not underway already somewhere, I would expect someone to take up the project as a graduate school project. Some systems of this sort have been built or attempted, with varying degrees of success. Given the linux bias toward small and simple, a linux-based distributed OS might actually work. One important ingredient in such a system, which would be valuable immediately for clusters, would be a efficient distributed volume manager and file system. In any case, trying to port linux straight to a large ccNUMA (or even a large SMP) system would be a lot of effort for limited return at present. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 11:22:57 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA50568 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA21710 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:22:36 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA11769; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:22:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA12337; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:21:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:21:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199807171821.LAA12337@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Cc: greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com (Greg Chesson), adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, anubis@BanjaLuka.NET, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: What about... In-Reply-To: References: <9807171047.ZM18720@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 566 Lines: 11 Alan Cox writes: > > many "holes"... The idea of a simple buddy-system allocator as is > > ingrained in the Linux kernel falls apart completely in the face of > > this kind of architecture. I suppose you could run a copy of Linux > > on every node, but I consider that an excuse rather than a solution. > > Actually the Linux buddy stuff is quite happy with holes. Its still > completely inappropriate. From the above I deduce we'd have to do > mips64 before we even considerd it anyway Yes, the address space is very large, even in a single rack. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 15:18:01 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA59977 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA18622 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:16:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA17828; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:16:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (watts@sunflower.com) Received: from violet.jayhawks.net (violet.jayhawks.net [24.124.29.27]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA04774; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:16:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (watts@sunflower.com) Received: from localhost (watts@localhost) by violet.jayhawks.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA30068; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:15:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: violet.jayhawks.net: watts owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:15:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey Watts X-Sender: watts@violet To: Alan Cox cc: "William J. Earl" , adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, anubis@BanjaLuka.NET, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: What about... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1225 Lines: 25 On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Alan Cox wrote: > > that giant a project, but it would not be particularly useful. If there > > were a good linux on some other very large ccNUMA machine, then an Origin > > port would be much simpler. By "good", I mean a linux which scale well > > for large (greater than 32) processor and I/O count (many I/O buses > > and thousands of disk). It expect such a linux will happen eventually, > > but not yet. Boy would it be fun to work on that port. Origin2000s are seriously cool. I am getting 9 new Origin2000 systems in about 6 weeks. I wonder if Sprint would mind if I used one for Linux porting... :-) J. o-----------------------------------o | Jeffrey Watts | | watts@sunflower.com o-------------------------------------o | Systems Analyst | "Proprietary system advocates | | Sprint - Systems Management | aren't evil or stupid. They are | o-------------------------------| the victims. They have a disease | | and they need help." | | -- Donald B. Marti Jr. | o-------------------------------------o From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 18:39:41 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA81088 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA21254 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:39:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA49729; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:38:41 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id SAA06558; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:38:39 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-04.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.4]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA15447; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:38:08 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA01498; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:38:00 +0200 Message-ID: <19980718033759.C378@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:37:59 +0200 To: Alan Cox , Greg Chesson Cc: wje@fir.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, anubis@BanjaLuka.NET, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: What about... References: <9807171047.ZM18720@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Alan Cox on Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 07:14:04PM +0100 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1226 Lines: 26 On Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 07:14:04PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > many "holes"... The idea of a simple buddy-system allocator as is > > ingrained in the Linux kernel falls apart completely in the face of > > this kind of architecture. I suppose you could run a copy of Linux > > on every node, but I consider that an excuse rather than a solution. > > Actually the Linux buddy stuff is quite happy with holes. Its still > completely inappropriate. From the above I deduce we'd have to do > mips64 before we even considerd it anyway At least in Vger CVS we alredy have code to efficiently deal with non-dense memory architectures with buddy. I think the memory allocator design as presented by Rik van Riel looks as if it is a good base to deal much more efficiently with such an memory architecture. And then there is Sct with his big iron experience working on something better than the buddy system. I completly agree that we first have to go to MIPS64 before we really can attack big iron problems. The current Linux/MIPS kernel design limits the memory to the size of KSEG0 which is 512mb. Putting Linux into a 64bit universe we'd extend that design limit to the size of XKSEG0, or 1TB for current silicon. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 18:58:37 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA81595 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA30280 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:58:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA62135; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:57:36 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id SAA10789; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:57:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-04.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.4]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA16818; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:57:29 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA01512; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:57:15 +0200 Message-ID: <19980718035715.D378@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:57:15 +0200 To: "William J. Earl" , Greg Chesson Cc: Alex deVries , Igor Loncarevic , SGI Linux Subject: Re: What about... References: <9807162230.ZM17359@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <199807171411.HAA11412@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980717192954.16464@uni-koblenz.de> <9807171101.ZM18755@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <199807171819.LAA12327@fir.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <199807171819.LAA12327@fir.engr.sgi.com>; from William J. Earl on Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 11:19:54AM -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2176 Lines: 44 On Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 11:19:54AM -0700, William J. Earl wrote: > I expect that much of the work will gradually happen in linux, once > the remaining small-CPU-count issues are resolved. Right now, there > is no shortage of interesting problems to attack. :-) Actually I'd hate it if Linux'd be ``finished'' ... > One possible way to approach the large-CPU-count space with linux > is to indeed run multiple linux kernels, one per node in a ccNUMA > machine, and add a distributed OS layer at a fairly high level. If it > is not underway already somewhere, I would expect someone to take up > the project as a graduate school project. Some systems of this sort > have been built or attempted, with varying degrees of success. Given > the linux bias toward small and simple, a linux-based distributed OS > might actually work. I don't know the exact technical details but something similar has already been done back in '95 (?) when some guys in Australia ported Linux to Fujitsu's AP1000. That's of course a different architecture and a multikernel approach makes much more sense there. > One important ingredient in such a system, which would be > valuable immediately for clusters, would be a efficient distributed > volume manager and file system. Hans Reiser is currently working on a new filesystem with alot of fresh ideas. In some aspects what he is aiming at is similar to XFS, in some aspects not. He basically started on a white sheet of paper with his design, so his team's code isn't contaminated by old ideas. His work looks pretty promising. Among his plans is also the implementation of a distributed filesystem. Current benchmarks are looking pretty good, in fact in some cases extremly good. The URL to checkout for interested people is http://idiom.com/~beverly/reiserfs.html. > In any case, trying to port linux straight to a large ccNUMA > (or even a large SMP) system would be a lot of effort for limited > return at present. Explecitly not talking about the MIPS port - I think it makes sense in working on porting to machines beyond what we currently scale to. But I agree about the ``large'' thing. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 18:58:37 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA81575 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA58797 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:58:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com (xtp.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.34]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA93473 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:58:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id SAA19565; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:58:07 -0700 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9807171858.ZM19563@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:58:07 -0700 In-Reply-To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de "Re: What about..." (Jul 18, 3:37am) References: <9807171047.ZM18720@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <19980718033759.C378@uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, Alan Cox Subject: Re: What about... Cc: wje@fir.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, anubis@BanjaLuka.NET, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 329 Lines: 12 I think everyone is suggesting the same general path, and I'm gratified to know that the buddy system code anticipates non-contiguous physical memory. I think you'd want to extend the design limit (XKSEG0) beyond 1 TB to handle the next rev of silicon. I'd suggest 64 TB (48 bits) as the appropriate goal. g -- Greg Chesson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 19:00:42 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA81717 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA64121 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:00:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com (xtp.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.34]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA20650 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:00:32 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id TAA19593; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:00:30 -0700 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9807171900.ZM19591@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:00:30 -0700 In-Reply-To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de "Re: What about..." (Jul 18, 3:57am) References: <9807162230.ZM17359@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <199807171411.HAA11412@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980717192954.16464@uni-koblenz.de> <9807171101.ZM18755@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <199807171819.LAA12327@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980718035715.D378@uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, "William J. Earl" Subject: Re: What about... Cc: Alex deVries , Igor Loncarevic , SGI Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 178 Lines: 11 On Jul 18, 3:57am, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > Actually I'd hate it if Linux'd be ``finished'' ... > Ancient Chinese proverb: "House finish; man die." g -- Greg Chesson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 19:47:10 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA82964 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA48474 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:46:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA36468; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:45:56 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id TAA20403; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:45:53 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-04.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.4]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA19914; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:45:50 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA01958; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:44:04 +0200 Message-ID: <19980718044403.F378@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:44:03 +0200 To: Greg Chesson , Alan Cox Cc: wje@fir.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, anubis@BanjaLuka.NET, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: What about... References: <9807171047.ZM18720@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <19980718033759.C378@uni-koblenz.de> <9807171858.ZM19563@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <9807171858.ZM19563@xtp.engr.sgi.com>; from Greg Chesson on Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 06:58:07PM -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1114 Lines: 27 On Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 06:58:07PM -0700, Greg Chesson wrote: > I think everyone is suggesting the same general path, and I'm gratified > to know that the buddy system code anticipates non-contiguous physical > memory. > > I think you'd want to extend the design limit (XKSEG0) beyond 1 TB > to handle the next rev of silicon. I'd suggest 64 TB (48 bits) as > the appropriate goal. As far as the maximum amount of RAM goes, no problem. The only assumption which I make is that the entire available memory is visible in XKSEG0, whatever it's size is. That means the actual design limit is the maximum possible size of XKSEG0 for the MIPS 64bit architecture which is 2^62 bytes. I assume this also means the size limit of the XKUSEG has been extended to 48 bits. There we actually a somewhat more limiting design limit since we only have three level page tables for 64 bit architectures which limits us to a maximum mappable size of PAGE_SIZE * (PAGE_SIZE / sizeof(pte_t)) ^ 3 which for PAGE_SIZE = 4 kbytes and sizeof(pte_t) = 8 bytes is 512gb. (And actually things are somewhat more complex.) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 20:28:26 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA84785 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA87949 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:27:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA22285 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:27:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id UAA28213 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:27:45 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-04.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.4]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA22592 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 05:27:27 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA02186; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 05:27:22 +0200 Message-ID: <19980718052722.H378@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 05:27:22 +0200 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: [lm@bitmover.com: Linux performance vs IRIX performance] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3717 Lines: 84 I forward this for all people who don't read linux-kernel and love the again and again reapearing comparisons between Linux and IRIX ... Ralf ----- Forwarded message from Larry McVoy ----- Return-Path: Received: from lappi (ralf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA01329 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:34:48 +0200 Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de by lappi (fetchmail-4.3.2 IMAP run by ralf) for (single-drop); Sat Jul 18 02:34:48 1998 Received: from ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk (qmailr@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk [163.1.138.204]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA21036 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:03:12 +0200 (MEST) Received: (qmail 21935 invoked from network); 17 Jul 1998 22:02:41 -0000 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu (root@128.6.190.2) by ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 22:02:41 -0000 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971340-21206>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:29:36 -0400 Received: from [207.181.251.162] ([207.181.251.162]:9430 "EHLO bitmover.com" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971531-21206>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:21:32 -0400 Received: from bitmover.com (lm@work.bitmover.com [10.3.9.4]) by bitmover.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA05852 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:40:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199807171840.LAA05852@bitmover.com> To: linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Linux performance vs IRIX performance From: lm@bitmover.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:40:23 -0600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Length: 1883 Lines: 45 Hi folks, I thought you'd like this. I have a regression test (1700 line shell script) for a source code control system I'm building. When I run that test on an AMDK6@300 + 1MB L2$ + 100Mhz bus + SDRAM, it takes 2.82user 3.40system 0:06.37elapsed When I run the same thing on a SGI MP system, with 195Mhz R10K's + 4MB of L2$, I get 1.357user 10.379sys 13.284elapsed The interesting thing is that the user code ran almost twice as fast on the SGI processor (not bad for a processer at 2/3 the Mhz). That's the good part. The bad part is that SGI OS spent 3 times as long doing exactly the same work. The work is creating and deleting a bunch of files, with some small amount of processing on the files. So what does this mean? What it means is that Linus' focus on latency, while it seems pedantic at times to argue about one more cache miss or one more function call in the code path, actually pays off in a big way. If that SGI box were running Linux and we could assume the same ratios, then the numbers should be about 1.3user 1.6sys 3.0elapsed A factor of 4.4 difference. It's not fair to actually expect that good of a result - the SGI OS is an SMP OS that scales up to approximately 128 processors, has all sorts of useful and not so useful features that Linux doesn't have, etc, etc. None the less, it is likely that Linux on the same hardware would be about 3 times faster than IRIX. I think that is pretty cool and that maybe you wanted to know that the philosophy actually works and works well. Kudos to Linus & team for all the great work. --lm P.S. The Linux was 2.0.34 - there are some changes in 2.1 that should make this even better... - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Please read the FAQ at http://www.altern.org/andrebalsa/doc/lkml-faq.html ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 22:13:09 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA88320 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA27066 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:12:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA56606 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:12:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA19811 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:12:24 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA30435 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:12:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: HH problem with netcfg Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 307 Lines: 15 Mike Shaver brought the fact that netcfg craps out to my attention. It isn't a problem with netcftp or with python, I think maybe with tk*. Bleah. If someone feels like going through this, that would be great. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jul 17 22:41:00 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA89232 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA67895 for linux-list; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:40:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA33456 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:40:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA24004 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:40:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA31063 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:40:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:40:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: ERRATA: rpm and portmap Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 826 Lines: 29 Here's the errata that fixes some problems with the distributed Hard Hat 5.1 for SGI distribution: RPM has been updated to have a correct rpmrc so it will install .noarch.rpm files without having to use the --ignorearch flag. portmap has been installed in order to run at an earlier stage on bootup so that NFS server loads properly. You can update your system by doing: rpm -Uvh \ ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/redhat/updates/hardhat-5.1/portmap-4.0-12.mipseb.rpm rpm -Uvh \ ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/redhat/updates/hardhat-5.1/rpm-2.5.2-3.mipseb.rpm rpm -Uvh \ ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/redhat/updates/hardhat-5.1/rpm-devel-2.5.2-3.mipseb.rpm (Honza, could you maybe update the WWW pages to reflect mention of this? Thanks) - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~adevries/ . From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 18 01:48:58 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA95293 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA63543 for linux-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:48:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA78525 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:48:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (helix.life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.34]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id BAA24844 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:48:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA00923; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:47:43 +0800 Message-ID: <19980718164741.A868@life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:47:41 +0800 From: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" To: Linux Subject: [Q] How to reboot automatically? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 142 Lines: 4 Can the bios remeber to reboot as "boot /vmlinux root=/dev/sdb1" ? -- Francis M. J. Hsieh, Bioinformatics Center, Life Science, NTHU, Taiwan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 18 03:52:43 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA99434 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA39288 for linux-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:51:57 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA44108; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:51:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id DAA11480; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:51:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-01.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.1]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18045; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:50:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA02961; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:47:54 +0200 Message-ID: <19980718124754.C2575@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:47:54 +0200 To: Greg Chesson , Alan Cox Cc: wje@fir.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, anubis@BanjaLuka.NET, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: What about... References: <9807171047.ZM18720@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <19980718033759.C378@uni-koblenz.de> <9807171858.ZM19563@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <19980718044403.F378@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980718044403.F378@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Sat, Jul 18, 1998 at 04:44:03AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 889 Lines: 19 On Sat, Jul 18, 1998 at 04:44:03AM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 06:58:07PM -0700, Greg Chesson wrote: > > I think you'd want to extend the design limit (XKSEG0) beyond 1 TB > > to handle the next rev of silicon. I'd suggest 64 TB (48 bits) as > > the appropriate goal. > > As far as the maximum amount of RAM goes, no problem. The only assumption > which I make is that the entire available memory is visible in XKSEG0, > whatever it's size is. That means the actual design limit is the maximum > possible size of XKSEG0 for the MIPS 64bit architecture which is 2^62 bytes. Ooops, the real limit is of course how much memory can be presented in XKPHYS which is a bit less, just 2^58 bytes or 4 exabytes. XKSEG or XKSSEG would be used for kernel virtual memory which usually isn't used very much under Linux - it's virtual, but not swappable. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 18 10:24:33 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA08217 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA38946 for linux-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:23:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA44063 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:23:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA05020 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:23:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from zaphod (ralf@zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12121 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:23:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id TAA13574; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:23:42 +0200 Message-ID: <19980718192342.64757@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:23:42 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Ouch ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 106 Lines: 4 Looks like HH Linux is that popular that Linus ran out of space on / for the ftp server logfiles. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 18 17:36:01 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA26715 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA92705 for linux-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:35:24 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA91955 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:35:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id RAA10333 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:35:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-13.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18481 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:35:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA00553; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:34:23 +0200 Message-ID: <19980719023421.A489@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:34:21 +0200 To: Michael Engel , linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: ext2fs corruptions and other things ... References: <199807182253.AAA10366@jordan.numerik> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <199807182253.AAA10366@jordan.numerik>; from Michael Engel on Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 12:53:14AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2229 Lines: 54 On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 12:53:14AM +0200, Michael Engel wrote: > sorry for all the delays and everything ... it were two very busy weeks :-(. > Following Ralfs proposal, how about a MIPS hackers' BBQ now that it looks > like the eternal rain in Germany has stopped ;) ? Clear sky for the first time since ... can't remember ... > Back to hacking ... I just got 2.1.100 running on my RM200 and noticed > two things: > > - Automatic IRQ detection of ISA cards doesn't work. Does it work on any > other MIPS machines ? Setting a fixed irq line makes my NE2000 and IDE > controller work in the ISA slots. I remember getting strange messages from the interrupt probing code on the RM200C but aside that IDE was working just fine. It's very, very long since I last tried some other isa-ish periphery in the machine. Quite some time Thomas commited a patch to arch/mips/kernel/irc.c which was actually supposed to fix the probing problem, maybe he can comment. > - NFS root works fine, I'm up and running multi user with the old rootfs-0.01 - > fine ! However, I suspect quite some problems with these binaries ... Since the release of root-0.01 (little endian) I had to break the binary compatibility in two important points. These binaries aren't any longer supposed to be really useable. > - Whenever I try to untar rootfs-0.01.tar.gz on my IDE hard disk, I get > a fs corrution (usually after creating the second directory): > > EXT2-fs error (device 03:00): > ext2_readdir: bad entry in directory #2: > rec_len is smaller than minimal - offset=896, inode=0, rec_len=0, > name_len=0 > > [Note that I'm using the raw disk /dev/hda as fdisk doesn't seem to > create correct partition information] I've used a newer build of fdisk (< 1 year :-) and there is no problem at all with partitioning. IDE is prefectly reliable for me. We actually had more reports about problems with filesystems on /dev/sdx on Indys. There seems to be a clear pattern of a bug, but for now I classify that one as lower priority. > Has anyone seen similar effects on MIPS machines ? > > Off to read the intel 82596 ethernet controller docs ... Btw, Linux supports two 82596 based Ethernet adapters. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jul 18 18:06:05 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA26585 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA26980 for linux-list; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:05:32 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA30196 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:05:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id SAA14584 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:05:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-13.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20037 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:05:21 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA00658; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:05:06 +0200 Message-ID: <19980719030505.B489@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:05:05 +0200 To: Andi Kleen Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, lm@bitmover.com Subject: Re: [lm@bitmover.com: Linux performance vs IRIX performance] References: <19980718052722.H378@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Andi Kleen on Sat, Jul 18, 1998 at 06:02:25PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 959 Lines: 20 On Sat, Jul 18, 1998 at 06:02:25PM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote: > ralf@uni-koblenz.de writes: > > > A factor of 4.4 difference. It's not fair to actually expect that good of > > a result - the SGI OS is an SMP OS that scales up to approximately 128 > > processors, has all sorts of useful and not so useful features that Linux > > doesn't have, etc, etc. None the less, it is likely that Linux on the same > > hardware would be about 3 times faster than IRIX. > > Larry did not say what kind of FS he used on the Irix box (XFS or EFS), but > for me it looks like a typical sync metadata/async metadata comparison. Whatever - the impact of the dcache on the performance is sometimes really amazing. As long as Linux doesn't hit the disk on an Indy it is _much_ faster than IRIX. For the normal case XFS and ext2 aren't too far from each other. Finally when Linux hits the disk it looses badly, the current wd33c93 driver performs pretty badly. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 02:12:48 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA43815 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA36153 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:12:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA48545 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:11:58 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA24913 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:11:56 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:11:54 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0yxpVS-002OmBC; Sun, 19 Jul 98 11:11 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA00785; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:00:32 +0200 Message-ID: <19980719110032.00526@alpha.franken.de> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:00:32 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: Michael Engel , linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: ext2fs corruptions and other things ... References: <199807182253.AAA10366@jordan.numerik> <19980719023421.A489@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980719023421.A489@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 02:34:21AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1043 Lines: 23 On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 02:34:21AM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 12:53:14AM +0200, Michael Engel wrote: > Quite some time Thomas commited a patch to arch/mips/kernel/irc.c which was > actually supposed to fix the probing problem, maybe he can comment. I couldn't even remember, that I did something in that area:-) I've looked up in CVS, what I did there, and as far as I remeber it fixed autoprobing for me (my NE2000 gets the interrupt via autoprobing). Maybe it's time to check whether it still works. > We actually had more reports about problems with filesystems on /dev/sdx > on Indys. There seems to be a clear pattern of a bug, but for now I > classify that one as lower priority. I've never got any filesystem corruption on my Olli. And I've crashed it pretty often, when doing the XF68_FBDev stuff. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 02:38:29 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA44778 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA72992 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:37:56 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA43298 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:37:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (helix.life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.34]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA27967 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:37:52 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA04229; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:37:22 +0800 Message-ID: <19980719173721.A4163@life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:37:21 +0800 From: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" To: Linux Subject: nlist.h Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 140 Lines: 4 I had compiled SSLeay on sgilinux, but got problems compiling SSL-telnet, when can I find nlist.h ? It should locate at /usr/include/ .... From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 02:49:53 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA44942 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA69381 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:49:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA07542 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:49:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw (life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.21]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA29201 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:49:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02279; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:46:29 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <19980719174623.57209@life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:46:23 +0800 From: "Francis M.J. Hsieh" To: Linux Subject: Re: nlist.h References: <19980719173721.A4163@life.nthu.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79e In-Reply-To: <19980719173721.A4163@life.nthu.edu.tw>; from Francis M. J. Hsieh on Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 05:37:21PM +0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 494 Lines: 11 On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 05:37:21PM +0800, I myself wrote: > I had compiled SSLeay on sgilinux, but got problems compiling > SSL-telnet, when can I find nlist.h ? It should locate at > /usr/include/ .... Oh, I found it in libelf-0.6.4-2.mipseb.rpm -- Francis M. J. Hsieh | Email: mjhsieh@life.nthu.edu.tw Life Science Department, | Webpage: http://www.life.nthu.edu.tw/~mjhsieh/ National Tsing Hua Univ, | Voice: +886 3 5715131 ext 3482 HsinChu, Taiwan Republic | +886 3 5715649 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 03:45:04 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA46669 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA80846 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:44:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA13047 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:44:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw (life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.21]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id DAA06165 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:44:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by sparc.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02464; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:41:50 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <19980719184144.26798@life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:41:44 +0800 From: "Francis M.J. Hsieh" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: utmp.h Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79e Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 336 Lines: 9 Well, FYI, I found that the utmp.h is very different from that in x86 linux or IRIX ... -- Francis M. J. Hsieh | Email: mjhsieh@life.nthu.edu.tw Life Science Department, | Webpage: http://www.life.nthu.edu.tw/~mjhsieh/ National Tsing Hua Univ, | Voice: +886 3 5715131 ext 3482 HsinChu, Taiwan Republic | +886 3 5715649 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 06:21:52 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA46865 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA20009 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:21:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA01144 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:21:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id GAA26378 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:21:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-03.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.3]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26985 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:20:55 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA00747; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:20:50 +0200 Message-ID: <19980719152050.B415@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:20:50 +0200 To: "Francis M.J. Hsieh" , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: utmp.h References: <19980719184144.26798@life.nthu.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980719184144.26798@life.nthu.edu.tw>; from Francis M.J. Hsieh on Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 06:41:44PM +0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 574 Lines: 14 On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 06:41:44PM +0800, Francis M.J. Hsieh wrote: > Well, FYI, I found that the utmp.h is very different from that in x86 > linux or IRIX ... It's that way because changing the structure to what the other architectures are using would break the binary compatibility for not that much benefit. I did so because glibc has already been the only libc for MIPS when other architectures were still relying only on H.J. Lu's Linux Libc aka libc 5. It's on the to do list for libc 7 and I think we've got still quite some time before we take that step. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 07:20:10 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA49786 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA04554 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:19:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA94907 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:19:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (helix.life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.34]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA04806 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:19:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA07710; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:18:58 +0800 Message-ID: <19980719221858.A7706@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:18:58 +0800 From: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: utmp.h References: <19980719184144.26798@life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719152050.B415@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980719152050.B415@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 03:20:50PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 589 Lines: 14 On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 03:20:50PM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > It's that way because changing the structure to what the other architectures > are using would break the binary compatibility for not that much benefit. > I did so because glibc has already been the only libc for MIPS when other > architectures were still relying only on H.J. Lu's Linux Libc aka libc 5. > > It's on the to do list for libc 7 and I think we've got still quite some > time before we take that step. hmmm... Okay, maybe i should change the source (seems to be a hard work) to fit my need. -- Francis From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 08:36:36 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA55554 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA65641 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:36:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA05931 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:36:02 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (helix.life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.34]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA16215 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:36:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA07942; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:35:27 +0800 Message-ID: <19980719233527.A7930@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:35:27 +0800 From: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" To: Linux Subject: benchmark........ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1787 Lines: 29 Well, here is a benchmark using MDBNCH, a benchmark program doing floating point calculation on molecular dynamics (one of the research fields of out lab) SGI Indy, R4600PC 133MHz, f77 4.0.2, -mips2 -O3 -sopt ......... 73.0 s 12Feb96 SGI Indy, R4600PC 133MHz, f77 4.0.2, -mips2 -O2 ............... 77.4 s 12Feb96 SGI Indy, R4600PC 133MHz, f77 4.0.2, -mips2 -O3 ............... 80.5 s 12Feb96 SGI Indy, R4600PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O2 -sopt ......... 89.0 s 02Nov94 SGI Indy, R4600PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O2 ............... 95.2 s 02Nov94 SGI Indy, R4600PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O2 -non_shared .. 100.4 s 02Nov94 SGI Indy, R4600PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O3 -non_shared .. 101.7 s 02Nov94 SGI Indy, R4000PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O2 -sopt ........ 102.8 s 01Nov94 SGI Indy, R4000PC 100MHz, egcs-g77, -O2 -ff77 ................ 104.3 s 19Jul98 (hardhat kernel 2.1.100) SGI Indy, R4000PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O2 -sopt -static 109.6 s 01Nov94 SGI Indy, R4000PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O2 -ddopt ....... 110.2 s 01Nov94 SGI Indy, R4000PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O2 .............. 110.6 s 01Nov94 SGI Indy, R4000PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O2 -non_shared .. 114.4 s 01Nov94 SGI Indy, R4000PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O3 -non_shared .. 128.9 s 01Nov94 SGI Indy, R4000PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O2 -static ...... 145.5 s 01Nov94 SGI Indy, R4000PC 100MHz, f77 4.0.1, -mips2 -O1 .............. 154.3 s 01Nov94 for more information about MDBNCH see http://www.sissa.it/furio/mdbnch.html -- Francis M. J. Hsieh | Email: mjhsieh@life.nthu.edu.tw Life Science Department, | Webpage: http://www.life.nthu.edu.tw/~mjhsieh/ National Tsing Hua Univ, | Voice: +886 3 5715131 ext 3482 HsinChu, Taiwan Republic | +886 3 5715649 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 09:40:40 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA58131 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA29209 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:40:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA10699 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:40:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (helix.life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.34]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA26083 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA07974; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:38:32 +0800 Message-ID: <19980720003832.A7963@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:38:32 +0800 From: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: Linux Subject: Re: benchmark........ References: <19980719233527.A7930@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719183508.16421@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980719183508.16421@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 06:35:08PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 864 Lines: 18 On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 06:35:08PM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 11:35:27PM +0800, Francis M. J. Hsieh wrote: > > > Well, here is a benchmark using MDBNCH, a benchmark program doing floating > > point calculation on molecular dynamics (one of the research fields of out lab) > > This benchmark probably only really tests the compiler's optimization > and the machine performance? Anyway, the results would be somewhat > more interesting if you'd have IRIX results at hand? The line contain g77 is the result on linux, others are on irix. I am sorry that I didn't point that out. :-) -- Francis M. J. Hsieh | Email: mjhsieh@life.nthu.edu.tw Life Science Department, | Webpage: http://www.life.nthu.edu.tw/~mjhsieh/ National Tsing Hua Univ, | Voice: +886 3 5715131 ext 3482 HsinChu, Taiwan Republic | +886 3 5715649 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 10:26:09 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA59689 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA10004 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:25:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA95119 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:25:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (helix.life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.34]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA02698 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:25:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA08160; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:25:05 +0800 Message-ID: <19980720012504.A8155@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:25:04 +0800 From: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: Linux Subject: Re: benchmark........ References: <19980719233527.A7930@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719183508.16421@uni-koblenz.de> <19980720003832.A7963@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719185452.26463@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980719185452.26463@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 06:54:52PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 818 Lines: 17 On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 06:54:52PM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > The line contain g77 is the result on linux, others are on irix. > > I am sorry that I didn't point that out. :-) > > Any SGI compiler results for comparison? That stuff is Fortran and should > probably show significant differences between both compilers. hmmm, the comparison list result (maybe this is still not what you want to see *sigh* )is at http://www.sissa.it/furio/Mdbnch/results.txt . I don't known when he will update my submission :-) It is just a small / little benchmark......... -- Francis M. J. Hsieh | Email: mjhsieh@life.nthu.edu.tw Life Science Department, | Webpage: http://www.life.nthu.edu.tw/~mjhsieh/ National Tsing Hua Univ, | Voice: +886 3 5715131 ext 3482 HsinChu, Taiwan Republic | +886 3 5715649 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 13:18:52 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA65319 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA77879 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:18:23 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA39500 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from ms21.hinet.net (ms21.hinet.net [168.95.4.21]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA28789 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:18:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.34]) by ms21.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11165 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:18:17 +0800 (CST) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA00302; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:18:16 +0800 Message-ID: <19980720041815.A298@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:18:15 +0800 From: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" To: Linux Subject: Re: [Q] How to reboot automatically? References: <19980718164741.A868@life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719041810.G489@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980719041810.G489@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 04:18:10AM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 743 Lines: 15 On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 04:18:10AM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Sat, Jul 18, 1998 at 04:47:41PM +0800, Francis M. J. Hsieh wrote: > > Can the bios remeber to reboot as "boot /vmlinux root=/dev/sdb1" ? > Try the ARC environment variable OsLoadOptions. See also the IRIX manpages > about the firmware. Well, OSLoadOptions saves only 12 character. Maybe I was at the wrong way, there is few document about firmware. neither the manpages nor the online books contain helpful information. -- Francis M. J. Hsieh | Email: mjhsieh@life.nthu.edu.tw Life Science Department, | Webpage: http://www.life.nthu.edu.tw/~mjhsieh/ National Tsing Hua Univ, | Voice: +886 3 5715131 ext 3482 HsinChu, Taiwan Republic | +886 3 5715649 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 14:22:42 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA67483 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA05410 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:22:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA46968 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:22:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from ms21.hinet.net (ms21.hinet.net [168.95.4.21]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA08494 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:22:03 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by ms21.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29148 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:21:54 +0800 (CST) Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-15.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.15]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26730 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:21:30 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA00960; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:20:54 +0200 Message-ID: <19980719232054.A956@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:20:54 +0200 To: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" , Linux Subject: Re: [Q] How to reboot automatically? References: <19980718164741.A868@life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719041810.G489@uni-koblenz.de> <19980720041815.A298@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980720041815.A298@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw>; from Francis M. J. Hsieh on Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 04:18:15AM +0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 620 Lines: 17 On Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 04:18:15AM +0800, Francis M. J. Hsieh wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 04:18:10AM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 18, 1998 at 04:47:41PM +0800, Francis M. J. Hsieh wrote: > > > Can the bios remeber to reboot as "boot /vmlinux root=/dev/sdb1" ? > > Try the ARC environment variable OsLoadOptions. See also the IRIX manpages > > about the firmware. > > Well, OSLoadOptions saves only 12 character. Maybe I was at the wrong way, > there is few document about firmware. neither the manpages nor the online > books contain helpful information. 12 Characters? !@#%%$!##, Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jul 19 23:23:50 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA85029 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA96011 for linux-list; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:23:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA68540 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:23:08 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (dan@dar.net) Received: from morpho.dar.net (morpho.dar.net [128.252.125.187]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA08255 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:23:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (dan@dar.net) Received: from morpho.dar.net (dan@morpho.dar.net [128.252.125.187]) by morpho.dar.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA25049 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:31:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:31:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Dan Pinkard To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Clue-Gap Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1735 Lines: 39 Either a lack of indy-clue, irix-clue, or possibly even linux-clue has made the install process slow goings for me. If you can tell me where I went wrong, or what I'm missing, I'll thank you. I'm booting with boot bootp():/tftplinux/vmlinux which sucessfully pulls the kernel and boots. The tftpboot directory has been populated with the hardhat tarball and will actually get me into the installer. I have also gotten it to work by copying vmlinux to the root irix partition and booting from dhcp in the kernel. It needs nfsroot= but works fine. In either case, once I'm in, it cannot get past the fdisk screen. After choosing done on fdisk it immediately dumps the kernel info and I'm left with a very unresponsive machine. I'm thinking that it is likely due to a poorly partitioned drive... Using dsk0d4s1 and dsk0d4s7 as linux partitions I first used the old redhat 5.0 installer for the irix mke2fs and fscke2fs and remade dsk0d4s7. I decided to follow through and let the installer dump the cpio image into dsk0d4s7. After several reboots I realized it would get farter running boot vlinux.2.1.99 root=/dev/sdc2 than anything else, but it, too, froze, asking for some init level. I assume it only needs to be passed as a boot param, so I moved on. (The goal was to verify the name of the partition, not to boot into the old installer) Again, the hardhat installer did not make it past the fdisk screen. Next I rebooted and used the hardhat installer to refdisk it all myself. Quite nice.. worked fine, but it didn't make it beyond the fdisk screen. At any rate, What can I salvage of this situation? Where did I most likely go wrong, and what can I/we do to better answer this question for next time? Thanks... d.p. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 20 05:26:40 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA97448 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA11436 for linux-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:26:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA11674 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:25:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from ms21.hinet.net (ms21.hinet.net [168.95.4.21]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id FAA14882 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:25:53 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: from helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (mjhsieh@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.34]) by ms21.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22797 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:25:52 +0800 (CST) Received: (from mjhsieh@localhost) by helix.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00530; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:25:48 +0800 Message-ID: <19980720202548.A526@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:25:48 +0800 From: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" To: Linux Subject: Re: [Q] How to reboot automatically? References: <19980718164741.A868@life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719041810.G489@uni-koblenz.de> <19980720041815.A298@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719232054.A956@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980719232054.A956@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 11:20:54PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 703 Lines: 18 On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 11:20:54PM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 04:18:15AM +0800, Francis M. J. Hsieh wrote: > > Well, OSLoadOptions saves only 12 character. Maybe I was at the wrong way, > > there is few document about firmware. neither the manpages nor the online > > books contain helpful information. > > 12 Characters? > > !@#%%$!##, any idea? the sash would not read root variable...... so setenv root won't work... -- Francis M. J. Hsieh | Email: mjhsieh@life.nthu.edu.tw Life Science Department, | Webpage: http://www.life.nthu.edu.tw/~mjhsieh/ National Tsing Hua Univ, | Voice: +886 3 5715131 ext 3482 HsinChu, Taiwan Republic | +886 3 5715649 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 20 05:31:25 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA97797 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA95321 for linux-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:31:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA34845 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:31:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id FAA16121 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:31:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02718; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:30:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (11635@aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06529; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:30:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24985; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:30:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807201230.OAA24985@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: ERRATA: rpm and portmap In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jul 18, 98 01:40:07 am" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:30:44 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: Honza Pazdziora Phone: 420 (5) 415 12345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 698 Lines: 18 > > You can update your system by doing: > rpm -Uvh \ > ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/redhat/updates/hardhat-5.1/portmap-4.0-12.mipseb.rpm > rpm -Uvh \ > ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/redhat/updates/hardhat-5.1/rpm-2.5.2-3.mipseb.rpm > rpm -Uvh \ > ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/redhat/updates/hardhat-5.1/rpm-devel-2.5.2-3.mipseb.rpm > > (Honza, could you maybe update the WWW pages to reflect mention of this? > Thanks) Done. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ I can take or leave it if I please ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 20 09:41:08 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA06050 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA91769 for linux-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA68154 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:40:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: from ms21.hinet.net (ms21.hinet.net [168.95.4.21]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA05877 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:40:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by ms21.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20725 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:40:20 +0800 (CST) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA05746; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:40:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA58963; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:13:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA28042; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:10:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:10:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199807201610.JAA28042@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: "Francis M. J. Hsieh" Cc: Linux Subject: Re: [Q] How to reboot automatically? In-Reply-To: <19980720202548.A526@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> References: <19980718164741.A868@life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719041810.G489@uni-koblenz.de> <19980720041815.A298@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719232054.A956@uni-koblenz.de> <19980720202548.A526@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1296 Lines: 38 Francis M. J. Hsieh writes: > On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 11:20:54PM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 04:18:15AM +0800, Francis M. J. Hsieh wrote: > > > Well, OSLoadOptions saves only 12 character. Maybe I was at the wrong way, > > > there is few document about firmware. neither the manpages nor the online > > > books contain helpful information. > > > > 12 Characters? > > > > !@#%%$!##, > > any idea? the sash would not read root variable...... so setenv root won't > work... To boot IRIX from an alternate partition, we usually set OSLoadPartition=scsi(0)disk(4)rdisk(0)partition(0) OSLoader=sash OSLoadFilename=/unix root=dks0d4s0 sash is fetched from SystemPartition=scsi(0)disk(4)rdisk(0)partition(8) These can be set in the NVRAM using setenv -p SymbolName SymbolValue IRIX looks at the environment when booting. That is, it finds argc, argv, and envp in $a0, $a1, and $a2. It copies them to private storage before starting up, since they are in memory which will be overlaid by dynamic memory allocation. All of the NVRAM and temporary environment variables are passed via envp. IRIX looks for root= on the command line (in argv) first, and then in the environment, before falling back on a default. linux could do the same. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 20 10:18:06 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA08408 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA20595 for linux-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:17:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA77913 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:17:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (u120086@acl.lanl.gov) Received: from acl.lanl.gov (acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA22654 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:17:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (u120086@acl.lanl.gov) Received: from localhost (u120086@localhost) by acl.lanl.gov (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27176; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:16:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:16:58 -0600 (MDT) From: "James V. Hendricks" Reply-To: "James V. Hendricks" To: Dan Pinkard cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Clue-Gap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1495 Lines: 29 What is the kernel error message you are getting? I was having problems getting a second disk to work as sdb1 -- it seems to give a page fault (or something like that) and about 10 lines of hex dump with an "Aiyee, Kernel Panic" or some other funny message like that. When I only use one of the drives it works fine. And I can use /dev/sdb2. Once I start getting X up I'll try to figure out my disks problems a little more... Right now, running 'X' gives the message execve failed for /etc/X11/X (errno 8) I tried copying over Xsgi from another indy but I got the same error message. Any suggestions/any documentation? On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Dan Pinkard wrote: > In either case, once I'm in, it cannot get past the fdisk screen. After > choosing done on fdisk it immediately dumps the kernel info and I'm left > with a very unresponsive machine. > > I'm thinking that it is likely due to a poorly partitioned drive... Using > dsk0d4s1 and dsk0d4s7 as linux partitions I first used the old redhat 5.0 > installer for the irix mke2fs and fscke2fs and remade dsk0d4s7. I > decided to follow through and let the installer dump the cpio image into > dsk0d4s7. After several reboots I realized it would get farter running > boot vlinux.2.1.99 root=/dev/sdc2 than anything else, but it, too, froze, > asking for some init level. I assume it only needs to be passed as a boot > param, so I moved on. (The goal was to verify the name of the partition, > not to boot into the old installer) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 20 11:33:14 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA12056 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA92631 for linux-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:32:39 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA81586 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:32:37 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from ms21.hinet.net (ms21.hinet.net [168.95.4.21]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA26853 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by ms21.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27996 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:32:30 +0800 (CST) Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-18.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.18]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06416 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:32:26 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00744; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:32:00 +0200 Message-ID: <19980720203200.D440@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:32:00 +0200 To: "William J. Earl" , "Francis M. J. Hsieh" Cc: Linux Subject: Re: [Q] How to reboot automatically? References: <19980718164741.A868@life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719041810.G489@uni-koblenz.de> <19980720041815.A298@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719232054.A956@uni-koblenz.de> <19980720202548.A526@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> <199807201610.JAA28042@fir.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <199807201610.JAA28042@fir.engr.sgi.com>; from William J. Earl on Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 09:10:34AM -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 929 Lines: 20 On Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 09:10:34AM -0700, William J. Earl wrote: > IRIX looks at the environment when booting. That is, it finds > argc, argv, and envp in $a0, $a1, and $a2. It copies them to > private storage before starting up, since they are in memory > which will be overlaid by dynamic memory allocation. All of the > NVRAM and temporary environment variables are passed via envp. > IRIX looks for root= on the command line (in argv) first, and then > in the environment, before falling back on a default. linux could > do the same. That looks like a good idea; it can be implemented easily and nicely within Linux. And for transparency we should. What will stay different is the naming convention of Linux partitions. The environment is allocated in ``Firmware Temporary'' memory, isn't it? We don't free that yet but we should, for low memory configurations that should be a significant amount of memory. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 20 11:43:03 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA12519 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA03805 for linux-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:42:37 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA39532 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:42:36 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (grimsy@zigzegv.ml.org) Received: from ballyhoo.ml.org ([194.236.80.80]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA01316 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:42:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (grimsy@zigzegv.ml.org) Received: from calypso.saturn ([130.244.166.51]) by ballyhoo.ml.org with smtp (ident grimsy using rfc1413) id m0yyKoT-000xjTC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:37:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:40:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Ulf Carlsson X-Sender: grimsy@calypso.saturn To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: cross compiler fix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463811840-451476392-900960059=:12940" Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 6314 Lines: 114 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1463811840-451476392-900960059=:12940 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Ralf has done some changes in the kernel tree for the egcs compiler (as far as I understand it). So, here's a fix for the crosscompiler, a modified specs file (/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/mips-linux/2.7.2.2/specs). 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[192.48.153.1]) by ms21.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08176 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:44:03 +0800 (CST) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA01832; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:43:50 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA99731; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:43:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA28524; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:43:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:43:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199807201843.LAA28524@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: Linux Subject: Re: [Q] How to reboot automatically? In-Reply-To: <19980720203200.D440@uni-koblenz.de> References: <19980718164741.A868@life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719041810.G489@uni-koblenz.de> <19980720041815.A298@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719232054.A956@uni-koblenz.de> <19980720202548.A526@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> <199807201610.JAA28042@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980720203200.D440@uni-koblenz.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1766 Lines: 34 ralf@uni-koblenz.de writes: > On Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 09:10:34AM -0700, William J. Earl wrote: > > > IRIX looks at the environment when booting. That is, it finds > > argc, argv, and envp in $a0, $a1, and $a2. It copies them to > > private storage before starting up, since they are in memory > > which will be overlaid by dynamic memory allocation. All of the > > NVRAM and temporary environment variables are passed via envp. > > IRIX looks for root= on the command line (in argv) first, and then > > in the environment, before falling back on a default. linux could > > do the same. > > That looks like a good idea; it can be implemented easily and nicely > within Linux. And for transparency we should. What will stay different > is the naming convention of Linux partitions. That is good, but you might consider translating incoming IRIX-format and ARCS-format names to Linux names, just as IRIX translates ARCS-format names to IRIX-format names. > The environment is allocated in ``Firmware Temporary'' memory, isn't it? > We don't free that yet but we should, for low memory configurations that > should be a significant amount of memory. Yes, the environment is in firmware temporary memory, along with a copy of the firmware. The non-volatile environment is in the Dallas part, but the user, via PROM or sash, may have replaced one or more of the variables after the environment was copied to memory. I would guess that, depending on how the system was booted, firmware temporary memory could be 4 MB or more, although the actual environment and argument values are of course much smaller. Once you free the firmware area, you can no longer use the firmware entries (except to leave linux and reboot or halt). From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 20 12:13:49 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA13320 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA81884 for linux-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:13:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA23440; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:11:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA13810; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:11:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-18.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.18]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10154; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:11:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA00852; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:11:29 +0200 Message-ID: <19980720211128.F440@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:11:28 +0200 To: "William J. Earl" Cc: Linux Subject: Re: [Q] How to reboot automatically? References: <19980718164741.A868@life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719041810.G489@uni-koblenz.de> <19980720041815.A298@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> <19980719232054.A956@uni-koblenz.de> <19980720202548.A526@helix.life.nthu.edu.tw> <199807201610.JAA28042@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980720203200.D440@uni-koblenz.de> <199807201843.LAA28524@fir.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <199807201843.LAA28524@fir.engr.sgi.com>; from William J. Earl on Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 11:43:15AM -0700 X-Mutt-References: <199807201843.LAA28524@fir.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1444 Lines: 30 On Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 11:43:15AM -0700, William J. Earl wrote: > > That looks like a good idea; it can be implemented easily and nicely > > within Linux. And for transparency we should. What will stay different > > is the naming convention of Linux partitions. > > That is good, but you might consider translating incoming IRIX-format > and ARCS-format names to Linux names, just as IRIX translates ARCS-format > names to IRIX-format names. > > > The environment is allocated in ``Firmware Temporary'' memory, isn't it? > > We don't free that yet but we should, for low memory configurations that > > should be a significant amount of memory. > > Yes, the environment is in firmware temporary memory, along with > a copy of the firmware. The non-volatile environment is in the Dallas > part, but the user, via PROM or sash, may have replaced one or more > of the variables after the environment was copied to memory. > > I would guess that, depending on how the system was booted, > firmware temporary memory could be 4 MB or more, although the > actual environment and argument values are of course much smaller. > Once you free the firmware area, you can no longer use the firmware > entries (except to leave linux and reboot or halt). Once I enable the L2 caches of the R4600SC and R5000SC modules I can't use the firmware any longer anyway, the machine just crashes. So not much of a loss anyway. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 20 15:12:53 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA21515 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA81783 for linux-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:12:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA60040 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA18184 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199807202212.PAA18184@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: [Fwd: Proof Linux not just for geeks & nerds from IDG.net] To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 4379 Lines: 113 I'd say this flood of news from Oracle, Informix, Corel and Computer Associates, is a pretty significant change of attitude towards Linux. ----- Forwarded message from Larry McVoy ----- IDG.net http://www.idg.net From 200+ Web sites, quality computing intelligence you need every day. TOP HOW-TO ADVICE, ESSENTIAL INTELLIGENCE & FUN FROM IDG.net Today's topic: Linux: The free OS that could for Monday, July 20 LINUX SUPPORTERS RALLY AROUND FREEWARE OS (Source: InfoWorld Electric) Linux, the popular freeware operating system, will be getting richer in functionality with upcoming features to include support for Intel's 64-bit Merced processor, a panel of Linux experts said last week. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=20926 LINUX PICKING UP STEAM (Source: InfoWorld Electric) Computer Associates will join companies such as Software AG, InterBase, and Informix in running its database on the Linux operating system. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=20928 LINUX MAY CHALLENGE NT, ANDREESSEN SAYS (Source: Computerworld) The Linux operating system will find a broader base of support during the next several years and could wind up being the biggest threat to Microsoft Corp.'s Windows NT platform, says Marc Andreessen, co-founder and executive vice president of products at Netscape Communications Corp. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=20930 INFORMIX GETS SET TO EMBRACE LINUX (Source: InfoWorld Electric) Informix will detail a Linux support plan for its database in an announcement at the Informix Worldwide User Conference in Seattle this week. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=20932 ORACLE TO PORT DATABASE TO LINUX AFTER ALL (Source: InfoWorld Electric) In a sudden turnabout, Oracle will indeed port its Oracle8 database to the Linux operating system. The company earlier this month said it had no such plans but has had a change of heart based on a recent groundswell of support for the open-source operating system. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=20934 COREL GETS BEHIND LINUX (Source: Computerworld) Corel Corp. plans to release WordPerfect 8 for the Linux operating system before September. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=20936 FREEWARE CREATORS EYE CORPORATE USERS (Source: Computerworld) The creators of some of the computer industry's most widely used software gathered in Palo Alto, Calif., in April for a first- of- its- kind summit on freeware applications. 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As a result, Linux is turning up on everything from print servers to Web servers to data collection systems. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=20944 LINUS TORVALDS INTERVIEW (Source: InfoWorld Electric) InfoWorld Executive News Editor Michael Vizard talked with Torvalds about the issues facing the future development of operating systems and the economic models that drive the industry. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=20946 LINUX FOR DUMMIES (Source: Dummies) With Linux For Dummies by your side, you can take charge of your computer's capabilities with confidence, without a Ph.D. in computer science. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=20948 Keep current on today's top IT stories, learn about new software, hardware, services and techniques, and search IDG's 200+ Web sites world-wide to find the intelligence you need at http://www.idg.net/ Find what you're missing! The editors http://www.idg.net IDG.net. IT all starts here. [snip] -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jul 20 16:42:23 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA27239 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA65100 for linux-list; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:41:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA97837 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:41:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA29636 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:41:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-26.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.26]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06866 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:41:25 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA01452; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:41:19 +0200 Message-ID: <19980721014118.A1196@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:41:18 +0200 To: Ulf Carlsson , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: cross compiler fix References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Ulf Carlsson on Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 08:40:59PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1253 Lines: 26 On Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 08:40:59PM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > Ralf has done some changes in the kernel tree for the egcs compiler (as > far as I understand it). So, here's a fix for the crosscompiler, a > modified specs file (/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/mips-linux/2.7.2.2/specs). > > Thank Ralf, not me - he told me what to change. Ok, now that Ulf already posted the patch to the spec file, let me explain the problem. The usual C compilers for MIPS systems define a C preprocessor macro based on the language of the input file. These macros have names like LANGUAGE_C or LANGUAGE_ASSEMBLER. Usually several variations are being defined with no, one or two heading underscores, sometimes even trailing underscores. The Linux/MIPS compiler handled this different. As the result the definitions which were expected by the kernel headers, were not available. While it would have been easy to fix the kernel to compile with either gcc 2.7.2 or egcs I don't intend it makes much sense to carry this historic garbage with us. So I just fixed it to compile with egcs. Now brewing crosscompilers has historically proven to be a tough problem for many user, so the hacked Spec file posted by Ulf can take away this pain for crosscompiler users. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 21 07:02:17 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA60551 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA97141 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:01:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA14017; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:00:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA21365; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:00:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-09.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.9]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02440; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:00:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA01142; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:58:05 +0200 Message-ID: <19980721155804.H797@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:58:04 +0200 To: Ariel Faigon , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: [Fwd: Proof Linux not just for geeks & nerds from IDG.net] References: <199807202212.PAA18184@oz.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <199807202212.PAA18184@oz.engr.sgi.com>; from Ariel Faigon on Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 03:12:19PM -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1148 Lines: 24 On Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 03:12:19PM -0700, Ariel Faigon wrote: > I'd say this flood of news from Oracle, Informix, Corel > and Computer Associates, is a pretty significant change > of attitude towards Linux. It took a while to make even the paranoid or conservative thinking especially in the managment to recognice the Linux market. Just one example, back in '95 Netscape refused to support Linux officially. Linux and Free Software in general are just way to different from everything that is established in the software industry. It looks to me that many still haven't recogniced that Free Software (free in sense of liberty) like Linux didn't come to handcuff anybody to yet another company's products. So there is a low risk involved in letting Linux become as important as desired. Well, I lied. Linux has demonstrated to be sticky. Recent research says Linux is the OS with the highest degree of user satisfaction. On the other side free software (free in sense of no cost) has shown to have a strong capability to intrude into existing IT structures, something that definately makes Linux sexy for some of managment types. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 21 07:41:04 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA56486 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA62699 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:40:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA25513; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:40:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id HAA03869; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:40:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA15477; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:39:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: Ariel Faigon , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: [Fwd: Proof Linux not just for geeks & nerds from IDG.net] In-Reply-To: <19980721155804.H797@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 471 Lines: 11 Now if only we could convince darpa. They've just selected NT, as has the Navy. very disappointing. They don't seem to understand that they've just locked themselves into a technology ghetto. ron Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 21 07:57:59 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA63141 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA90537 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:57:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA89019; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA09680; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:57:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA05071; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:56:50 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0yydvZ-000aQ1C; Tue, 21 Jul 98 16:02 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Proof Linux not just for geeks & nerds from IDG.net] To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:02:04 +0100 (BST) Cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at Jul 21, 98 10:39:11 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 374 Lines: 9 > Now if only we could convince darpa. They've just selected NT, as has the > Navy. very disappointing. They don't seem to understand that they've just > locked themselves into a technology ghetto. The press are already having a great run on this one http://www.gcn.com/gcn/1998/July13/cov2.htm Just don't get into any wars for a while - you might need towing home From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 21 09:36:20 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA73378 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA86307 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:35:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA00606; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (zab@zabbo.net) Received: from thebrain.grumblesmurf.net (thebrain.grumblesmurf.net [129.95.49.130]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA17435; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (zab@zabbo.net) Received: from localhost (zab@localhost) by thebrain.grumblesmurf.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA05800; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:34:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:34:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Zach Brown X-Sender: zab@thebrain To: "Ron G. Minnich" cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, Ariel Faigon , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: [Fwd: Proof Linux not just for geeks & nerds from IDG.net] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 516 Lines: 17 On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Ron G. Minnich wrote: > Now if only we could convince darpa. They've just selected NT, as has the > Navy. very disappointing. They don't seem to understand that they've just > locked themselves into a technology ghetto. very disappointing indeed. some of my os researcher buddies are losing their darpa grants because they were doing work on linux instead of NT. that is just so utterly pathetic I can't think where to begin doing something about it.. -- zach - - - - - - 007 373 5963 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 21 09:56:15 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA75554 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA29944 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:55:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA23409; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:55:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA26831; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA08446; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:48:24 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0yyffS-000aQ1C; Tue, 21 Jul 98 17:53 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Proof Linux not just for geeks & nerds from IDG.net] To: zab@zabbo.net (Zach Brown) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:53:34 +0100 (BST) Cc: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM, ralf@uni-koblenz.de, ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Zach Brown" at Jul 21, 98 09:34:10 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 307 Lines: 10 > very disappointing indeed. some of my os researcher buddies are losing > their darpa grants because they were doing work on linux instead of NT. I would think Orin Hatch, CNN and /. are good beginnings > that is just so utterly pathetic I can't think where to begin doing > something about it.. Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 21 10:48:38 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA81597 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA10370 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:47:39 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA63144; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:47:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from cygnus.detroit.sgi.com by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id NAA18363; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:47:32 -0400 Received: from detroit.sgi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cygnus.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA03054; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B4D431.F77FB01B@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:47:29 -0400 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.09C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de CC: Ariel Faigon , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Xwindows status? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2182 Lines: 62 Good morning! We have wonderful news! linux.detroit.sgi.com is now online! We are ready to progress to Xwindows are we are meeting a roadblock. /usr/X11R6/bin/X is a link to Xwrapper. There is no link to an X server in /etc/X11. On a startx execution only results in the foloowing messages: _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 waiting for X server to begin accepting connections . _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 .. upon killing the process we receive: xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unexpected signal 2 waiting for X server to shut down [root@linux /root]# Obviously we are missing the actual XServer binary. ANy chance I can get it from someone? Thanks! Eric. -- ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau FTA/RSA eak@detroit.sgi.com Silicon Graphics, Inc Voice: (248) 848-4455 39001 West 12 Mile Rd. Fax: (248) 848-5600 Farmington, MI 48331-2903 VNet Extension - 6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/perl-rsa-sig.html When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up..." "I am the great supportfolio, do you have http?" Copyright 1998, Silicon Graphics Computer Systems Confidential to Silicon Graphics Computer Systems ** -- not for redistribution -- ** From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 21 10:55:57 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA48457 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA50399 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:55:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA32617; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:55:08 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA22268; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:54:48 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from zaphod (ralf@zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA27517; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:54:46 +0200 (MEST) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id TAA24121; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:54:43 +0200 Message-ID: <19980721195442.00647@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:54:42 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Cc: Ariel Faigon , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: Xwindows status? References: <35B4D431.F77FB01B@detroit.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <35B4D431.F77FB01B@detroit.sgi.com>; from Eric Kimminau on Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 01:47:29PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 556 Lines: 19 On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 01:47:29PM -0400, Eric Kimminau wrote: > Good morning! > > We have wonderful news! linux.detroit.sgi.com is now online! Cool. > Obviously we are missing the actual XServer binary. > ANy chance I can get it from someone? Mike for shure won't mind giving you one as soon as it's finished :-) Since RedHat's XFree packages are made up that way we already ship all the environment around the actual X server, just not the server itself. Except Xfvb, Xnest and XF68_FBcon, the later cannot be used on the Indy's hardware. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 21 10:59:12 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA82496 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA34724 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:58:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA95016 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:58:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA23796 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:58:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15544 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.0b2 ) with ESMTP id 0EWGHWX0.02O; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:58:09 -0700 Message-ID: <35B4D6A8.811A9941@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:58:00 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Mozilla Dot Weenies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eak@detroit.sgi.com CC: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: Xwindows status? References: <35B4D431.F77FB01B@detroit.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 468 Lines: 17 Eric Kimminau wrote: > Obviously we are missing the actual XServer binary. > ANy chance I can get it from someone? I could give you a binary, but it'd lock your Indy up when you ran it. =/ I'm going to post in a bit with questions about the REX3, once I get my X tree back in place on bogomips. (Alex's installation went very well, BTW.) Someone might want to peek at the IRIX binary emulation stuff and see if we can resurrect Xsgi. Mike -- 35083.88 29375.20 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 21 11:15:31 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA84006 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA85420 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:13:44 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA95539 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:13:43 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from cygnus.detroit.sgi.com by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id OAA18640; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:13:40 -0400 Received: from detroit.sgi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cygnus.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA03106; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B4DA52.A17C32A7@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:13:38 -0400 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.09C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Shaver CC: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: Xwindows status? References: <35B4D431.F77FB01B@detroit.sgi.com> <35B4D6A8.811A9941@netscape.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2571 Lines: 79 Mike Shaver wrote: > > Eric Kimminau wrote: > > Obviously we are missing the actual XServer binary. > > ANy chance I can get it from someone? > > I could give you a binary, but it'd lock your Indy up when you ran it. > =/ I'm going to post in a bit with questions about the REX3, once I get > my X tree back in place on bogomips. (Alex's installation went very > well, BTW.) :) Ive got someplace to install it when you have something you want to pass out for testing. > Someone might want to peek at the IRIX binary emulation stuff and see if > we can resurrect Xsgi. > > Mike > > -- > 35083.88 29375.20 ANyone within SGI who would like an account on Linux to do development work is welcome to it. Just send me a message with the userid/password you want to use (and your UID if you have it). P.S. It appears as though we may have a problem with python as well: [root@linux RPMS]# glint Traceback (innermost last): File "./glint.py", line 22, in ? from Tkinter import * File "/usr/lib/python1.5/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 5, in ? import _tkinter # If this fails your Python is not configured for Tk ImportError: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6: undefined symbol: _XcmsCIELab_prefix and [root@linux RPMS]# rpm -Uvh --force pythonlib-1.22-1.noarch.rpm package pythonlib-1.22-1 is for a different architecture error: pythonlib-1.22-1.noarch.rpm cannot be installed and [root@linux RPMS]# rpm -Uvh --force tksysv-1.0-3.noarch.rpm package tksysv-1.0-3 is for a different architecture error: tksysv-1.0-3.noarch.rpm cannot be installed although I believe this last one might be intentional, is there a reason to include it if it is unuseable? Eric. -- ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau FTA/RSA eak@detroit.sgi.com Silicon Graphics, Inc Voice: (248) 848-4455 39001 West 12 Mile Rd. Fax: (248) 848-5600 Farmington, MI 48331-2903 VNet Extension - 6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/perl-rsa-sig.html When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up..." "I am the great supportfolio, do you have http?" Copyright 1998, Silicon Graphics Computer Systems Confidential to Silicon Graphics Computer Systems ** -- not for redistribution -- ** From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jul 21 11:28:07 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA86464 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA84453 for linux-list; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:27:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA85029 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:27:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA06212 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:27:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) Received: from zaphod (ralf@zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA00449; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:27:01 +0200 (MEST) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id UAA25174; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:26:58 +0200 Message-ID: <19980721202658.37672@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:26:58 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Cc: Mike Shaver , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: Xwindows status? References: <35B4D431.F77FB01B@detroit.sgi.com> <35B4D6A8.811A9941@netscape.com> <35B4DA52.A17C32A7@detroit.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <35B4DA52.A17C32A7@detroit.sgi.com>; from Eric Kimminau on Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 02:13:38PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 779 Lines: 22 On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 02:13:38PM -0400, Eric Kimminau wrote: > and > [root@linux RPMS]# rpm -Uvh --force pythonlib-1.22-1.noarch.rpm > package pythonlib-1.22-1 is for a different architecture > error: pythonlib-1.22-1.noarch.rpm cannot be installed > > and > > [root@linux RPMS]# rpm -Uvh --force tksysv-1.0-3.noarch.rpm > package tksysv-1.0-3 is for a different architecture > error: tksysv-1.0-3.noarch.rpm cannot be installed > > although I believe this last one might be intentional, is there a reason > to include it if it is unuseable? --force won't force the installation, you have to use --ignorearch if you want to force installation of a package of the other architecture. This is a known glitch in HH; Alex is investigating the source of the problem. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 29 08:41:44 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA02865 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA05599 for linux-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:40:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA37908; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:40:45 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA20337; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:40:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:40:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199807291540.IAA20337@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: 4819 , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: sound, power button, volume buttons In-Reply-To: <19980729090902.D1989@uni-koblenz.de> References: <19980729090902.D1989@uni-koblenz.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2065 Lines: 36 ralf@uni-koblenz.de writes: ... > You won't find any Indy hardware / firmware programming interfaces online. > Myself and a few of other developers have received paper copies in exchange > against the promise to not pass them on to other people. Maybe if the > electronic versions still exist (?) SGI would agree to spread these > documents - I expect more people to be interested in that documentation > in the future as the number of installation grows. ... So far, I have not found any of the electronic copies; Indy was done before the software people persuaded the hardware people to be religious about source control. :-) I can generally answer specific questions. Also, I can arrange to send a copy of the documentation to people who want to actively work on the project. (The informal limited distribution agreement was the basis on which the management agreed to let us release the documentation.) People have asked about documentation for other products. In general, I don't know where to find documentation for any of the SGI R3000-based systems. I do have incomplete documentation for some of the MIPS systems. SGI will probably be reluctant to release Challenge, Origin, or Octane documentation anytime soon, although that might change if we persuade the management to embrace linux officially (which might happen if the linux commercial server business on other platforms continues to expand rapidly). I also have not found much documentation for Indigo R4000, although it is fairly similar to Indy and Indigo2. Indigo2 is very close to Indy, although XZ and better graphics differ from the base XL/Newport graphics on Indy and some low-end Indigo2 systems; Indigo2 and Indy run the same IRIX kernel binary. O2 documentation is quite good, and the electronic versions are readily available, but I do not have approval to release that documentation at present; that might change if we agree to facilitate early linix ports to our next generation workstations, and will likely change once O2 goes out of production. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 29 09:52:39 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA02458 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA26926 for linux-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:51:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA72455; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:50:32 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA06629; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:50:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-14.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.14]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12307; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:50:12 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA02295; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:50:07 +0200 Message-ID: <19980729185007.K771@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:50:07 +0200 To: "William J. Earl" Cc: 4819 , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: sound, power button, volume buttons References: <19980729090902.D1989@uni-koblenz.de> <199807291540.IAA20337@fir.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <199807291540.IAA20337@fir.engr.sgi.com>; from William J. Earl on Wed, Jul 29, 1998 at 08:40:10AM -0700 X-Mutt-References: <199807291540.IAA20337@fir.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2699 Lines: 49 On Wed, Jul 29, 1998 at 08:40:10AM -0700, William J. Earl wrote: > I can generally answer specific questions. Also, I can arrange to send > a copy of the documentation to people who want to actively work on the > project. (The informal limited distribution agreement was the basis on which > the management agreed to let us release the documentation.) > > People have asked about documentation for other products. In general, > I don't know where to find documentation for any of the SGI R3000-based systems. Do you think a ``Call for dusty Paper'' CfdP (TM) on the Usenet in groups like comp.sys.mips or comp.sys.sgi.* might make sense? I bet there are still people out there, maybe former SGI employees in the meantime which have helpful data around. > I do have incomplete documentation for some of the MIPS systems. I'm currently doing some brain surgery on some OEM machine which identifies itself as RS3230 and is running RISC/os 4.50 :-) > SGI will > probably be reluctant to release Challenge, Origin, or Octane documentation > anytime soon, although that might change if we persuade the management to > embrace linux officially (which might happen if the linux commercial server > business on other platforms continues to expand rapidly). I also have > not found much documentation for Indigo R4000, although it is fairly > similar to Indy and Indigo2. Indigo2 is very close to Indy, although > XZ and better graphics differ from the base XL/Newport graphics on Indy > and some low-end Indigo2 systems; Indigo2 and Indy run the same IRIX kernel > binary. O2 documentation is quite good, and the electronic versions are > readily available, but I do not have approval to release that documentation > at present; that might change if we agree to facilitate early linix ports > to our next generation workstations, and will likely change once O2 goes > out of production. As I already wrote to Richard Masoner - it's not uncommon that people write GPL software while being under NDA. The company reviews the code when it is finished and gives it's ok to publish it but the documentation (whatever it consists of - paper, code, electronic files, drawings ...) will stay undisclosed. In many cases this is a way to keep both sides happy. Since you mentioned the various graphic subsystems above - do you think the implementation of a ARC firmware text only based console might be sensible? I've got several requests for Linux from people who have a XZ graphic which we don't support yet - and there is quite a number of graphic options for SGI's out there so this might be somewhat helpful. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 29 10:37:51 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA04931 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA08176 for linux-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:36:41 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA72849 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:36:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rji@bristol.st.com) Received: from poke.dmz.st.com (poke.stmicroelectronics.com [195.101.81.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA00331 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:36:37 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rji@bristol.st.com) Received: from thistle.inmos.co.uk (thistle.bri.st.com [138.198.1.7]) by poke.dmz.st.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA29990; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:31:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from panther ([138.198.35.30]) by thistle.inmos.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0z1a5u-00002w-00; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:32:54 +0100 Received: from rji by panther with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0z1a4M-0001Yj-00; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:31:18 +0100 From: Richard Ingram Message-Id: <9807291831.ZM5995@bristol.st.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:31:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de "Re: sound, power button, volume buttons" (Jul 29, 6:50pm) References: <19980729090902.D1989@uni-koblenz.de> <199807291540.IAA20337@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980729185007.K771@uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Subject: Re: sound, power button, volume buttons Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 911 Lines: 24 On Jul 29, 6:50pm, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > Do you think a ``Call for dusty Paper'' CfdP (TM) on the Usenet in groups > like comp.sys.mips or comp.sys.sgi.* might make sense? I bet there are > still people out there, maybe former SGI employees in the meantime which > have helpful data around. > > > I do have incomplete documentation for some of the MIPS systems. > > I'm currently doing some brain surgery on some OEM machine which identifies > itself as RS3230 and is running RISC/os 4.50 :-) Some bits of documentation are out on the WWW for MIPS R4000 boxes, but not very technical - stuff like the 680MB CD-Rom users guide and ARC PROM commands guide. I downloaded them from the Internet Technical Documentation Archive. I also have some docs for the RC3x30 series - I'll mail the titles tommorrow (if I remember to dig them out!), I was going to make them available to the ITDA. Richard. -- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 29 11:21:23 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA12730 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA34431 for linux-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:20:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA74425; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:20:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA21260; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:19:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:19:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199807291819.LAA21260@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: "William J. Earl" , 4819 , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: sound, power button, volume buttons In-Reply-To: <19980729185007.K771@uni-koblenz.de> References: <19980729090902.D1989@uni-koblenz.de> <199807291540.IAA20337@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980729185007.K771@uni-koblenz.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2983 Lines: 57 ralf@uni-koblenz.de writes: > On Wed, Jul 29, 1998 at 08:40:10AM -0700, William J. Earl wrote: > > > I can generally answer specific questions. Also, I can arrange to send > > a copy of the documentation to people who want to actively work on the > > project. (The informal limited distribution agreement was the basis on which > > the management agreed to let us release the documentation.) > > > > People have asked about documentation for other products. In general, > > I don't know where to find documentation for any of the SGI R3000-based systems. > > Do you think a ``Call for dusty Paper'' CfdP (TM) on the Usenet in groups > like comp.sys.mips or comp.sys.sgi.* might make sense? I bet there are > still people out there, maybe former SGI employees in the meantime which > have helpful data around. I doubt it would. The behavior of the machines are documented in the IRIX source (for IRIX 5.3 and earlier; support for R3000 systems was dropped after that), but we cannot in general release that due to our license agreements with the providers of some of that source. With management approval, we might be able to release certain parts which show the hardware interfaces and which only have an SGI copyright. I will see what is possible. > > I do have incomplete documentation for some of the MIPS systems. > > I'm currently doing some brain surgery on some OEM machine which identifies > itself as RS3230 and is running RISC/os 4.50 :-) I don't have much on that one, other than the RISC/os source, although I did work on the RS3230. The Magnum and Millenium 4000 systems are ARCS machines, with many PC-compatible parts, and I have more information about them, but I gather that linux already runs on them. ... > As I already wrote to Richard Masoner - it's not uncommon that people > write GPL software while being under NDA. The company reviews the code > when it is finished and gives it's ok to publish it but the documentation > (whatever it consists of - paper, code, electronic files, drawings ...) > will stay undisclosed. In many cases this is a way to keep both sides > happy. I will offer that option to the management; that might make it easier to make the documentation (especially the relevant SGI-copyright-only IRIX source) available. > Since you mentioned the various graphic subsystems above - do you think > the implementation of a ARC firmware text only based console might be > sensible? I've got several requests for Linux from people who have a > XZ graphic which we don't support yet - and there is quite a number of > graphic options for SGI's out there so this might be somewhat helpful. Yes, I think one could use the same firmware interface as the PROM. I believe that it is even possible to do X that way, with limited performance. I am not familiar with the details of the PROM firmware interface, but I will check it out when I have a bit more time. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 29 14:41:15 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA35856 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA80696 for linux-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:40:36 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from soyuz.wellington.sgi.com (soyuz.wellington.sgi.com [134.14.64.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA20371 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:40:32 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alambie@csd.sgi.com) Received: from csd.sgi.com by soyuz.wellington.sgi.com via ESMTP (980427.SGI.8.8.8/940406.SGI) id JAA50425; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:40:29 +1200 (NZT) Message-ID: <35BF9C5B.73E31A72@csd.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:04:11 -0700 From: Alistair Lambie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: sound, power button, volume buttons References: <19980729090902.D1989@uni-koblenz.de> <199807291540.IAA20337@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980729185007.K771@uni-koblenz.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 696 Lines: 20 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 29, 1998 at 08:40:10AM -0700, William J. Earl wrote: > > > > I do have incomplete documentation for some of the MIPS systems. > > I'm currently doing some brain surgery on some OEM machine which identifies > itself as RS3230 and is running RISC/os 4.50 :-) > Just in case some people don't know it (although I'd guess most people do!) MIPS shipped the source of most of the driver code with RISC/os. Doesn't help with the memory subsystem and the like of course. Every machine shipped with an OS license, so even if you didn't get a copy of the OS with your machine you are entitled to it...getting a copy may be the difficult bit :-) Alistair From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 29 15:38:35 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA39864 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA69386 for linux-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:37:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA97422; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:37:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA01585; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:37:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:37:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199807292237.PAA01585@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Alistair Lambie Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: sound, power button, volume buttons In-Reply-To: <35BF9C5B.73E31A72@csd.sgi.com> References: <19980729090902.D1989@uni-koblenz.de> <199807291540.IAA20337@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980729185007.K771@uni-koblenz.de> <35BF9C5B.73E31A72@csd.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 370 Lines: 9 Alistair Lambie writes: ... > Just in case some people don't know it (although I'd guess most people > do!) MIPS shipped the source of most of the driver code with RISC/os. Yes, we sometimes had to lean on vendors to be able to ship the driver source, if it was based on code supplied by the vendor. SGI did not have the same view; MIPS was more OEM-oriented. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jul 29 16:43:06 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA43336 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA36480 for linux-list; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:41:23 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA58875 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:41:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA20511 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:41:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-01.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.1]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16862 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:41:17 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA03547; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:41:12 +0200 Message-ID: <19980730014112.D2987@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:41:12 +0200 To: Alistair Lambie , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: sound, power button, volume buttons References: <19980729090902.D1989@uni-koblenz.de> <199807291540.IAA20337@fir.engr.sgi.com> <19980729185007.K771@uni-koblenz.de> <35BF9C5B.73E31A72@csd.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <35BF9C5B.73E31A72@csd.sgi.com>; from Alistair Lambie on Wed, Jul 29, 1998 at 03:04:11PM -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 764 Lines: 18 On Wed, Jul 29, 1998 at 03:04:11PM -0700, Alistair Lambie wrote: > Just in case some people don't know it (although I'd guess most people > do!) MIPS shipped the source of most of the driver code with RISC/os. > Doesn't help with the memory subsystem and the like of course. > > Every machine shipped with an OS license, so even if you didn't get a > copy of the OS with your machine you are entitled to it...getting a copy > may be the difficult bit :-) The problem is probably more like with a license for what version did the machine ship? Several desperated people have already asked me for copies of RISC/os and since I didn't want to get into that trap I never gave somebody a copy. (Or: Free Software is so much more convenient than warez :-) Ralf