From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Dec 1 12:32:14 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA56316 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:32:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA24359 for linux-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:31:08 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA80787 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:31:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA02560 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:30:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (lightning.swansea.uk.linux.org [194.168.151.1]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA12137; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:30:48 GMT Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0zkxLk-0007U3C; Tue, 1 Dec 98 21:28 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: GNU/Hurd To: torbjorn.gannholm@fra.se (Torbjörn Gannholm) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:28:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <365E60FE.F12615EC@fra.se> from "Torbjörn Gannholm" at Nov 27, 98 09:21:19 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 273 Lines: 7 > But still, why wouldn't some implementation of HURD (or mach) be able to be > preemptible? I believe its been done for MACH so that MACH tasks are hard real time. FOr hard real time on Linux Rtlinux sits under the kernel and runs as a very compact realtime microkernel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Dec 3 09:52:00 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA05758 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:51:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA68542 for linux-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:51:00 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA13735 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:50:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA03306 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:50:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA03053 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:56:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:56:34 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: proper glibc source rpms. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 443 Lines: 17 The GPL gods will now be a little happier with me. The glibc source rpm distributed with Rough Cuts was actually defective, and wouldn't let you unpack the entire source. The actual story of how this came about is best shared over a lot of beer. In any case, there are replacement binary and source rpms of glibc in ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test now. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 4 07:51:11 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA57450 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:51:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA77070 for linux-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:49:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA69575 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:48:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (andreas@aks-csd.ac.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from aks-csd.ac.rwth-aachen.de (aks-csd.ac.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.100.95]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA01084 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:48:53 -0800 (PST) mail_from (andreas@aks-csd.ac.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from aks-csd (andreas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aks-csd.ac.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA19151 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:49:15 +0100 From: Andreas Gaffke-Administrator To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux on a Indigo R4000? Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:27:36 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98120416491400.19078@aks-csd> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2359 Lines: 68 Hi, I´m new to this list, so please forgive any stupid questions ;-)) I´ve been trying to get an old "Indigo R4000" to run Linux... unfortunaly without much success. I started out with the "Hardhat-5.1" distribution from the linux.sgi site. I set up a 2GB disk with a "root" layout under IRIX 4.0.5F and setup bootpd/tftpd on a Pentium-II-Linux box. So far, so good! When I try to boot the linux kernel from the "PROM" monitor, I get the following output: >> version PROM Monitor SGI Version 4.0.5D Rev A IP20, Aug 17, 1992 (BE) >> boot -f bootp()aks-csd:/vmlinux Setting $netaddr to 134.130.100.90 (from server aks-csd) Obtaining /vmlinux from server aks-csd Cannot load bootp()aks-csd:/vmlinux. Unable to load bootp()aks-csd:/vmlinux: execute format error >> Here is the output of the "hinv" command under IRIX 4.0.5: ---------- 1 50 MHZ IP20 Processor FPU: MIPS R4010 Floating Point Chip Revision: 0.0 CPU: MIPS R4000 Processor Chip Revision: 2.2 On-board serial ports: 2 Data cache size: 8 Kbytes Instruction cache size: 8 Kbytes Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte Main memory size: 32 Mbytes Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 0 CDROM: unit 6 on SCSI controller 0 Tape drive: unit 5 on SCSI controller 0: QIC 150 Disk drive / removable media: unit 3 on SCSI controller 0: 720K/1.44M floppy Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 0 Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision C Iris Audio Processor: revision 10 Graphics board: GR2-XS24 with Z-buffer ----------- What could be the problem? Is there a chance to get Linux up and running on this hardware? I´d appreciate some tips! Thanks, Andreas -- +---------------------------------------------------------+ | Dr. Andreas Gaffke Tel/FAX: ++49+241 911646 | | Lousbergstr. 57 ICQ: 23487004:AndreasG | | D-52072 Aachen | | Germany | | | | e-Mail: andreas.gaffke@ac.rwth-aachen.de | | | | *** Microsoft: it´s not a bug, it´s a feature. *** | | | +---------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 4 09:07:49 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA77485 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:07:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA65781 for linux-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:05:57 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.141]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA66071 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:05:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA19037; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:05:49 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:05:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199812041705.JAA19037@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Andreas Gaffke-Administrator cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Linux on a Indigo R4000? In-Reply-To: <98120416491400.19078@aks-csd> References: <98120416491400.19078@aks-csd> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3466 Lines: 88 Andreas Gaffke-Administrator writes: ... > >> version > PROM Monitor SGI Version 4.0.5D Rev A IP20, Aug 17, 1992 (BE) > >> boot -f bootp()aks-csd:/vmlinux > Setting $netaddr to 134.130.100.90 (from server aks-csd) > Obtaining /vmlinux from server aks-csd > > Cannot load bootp()aks-csd:/vmlinux. > Unable to load bootp()aks-csd:/vmlinux: execute format error > >> You have to load sash first (and probably an IRIX 6.2 or later sash at that), because the IP20 prom only knows how to load MIPS ECOFF binaries, not ELF binaries. The newer sash knows how to load ELF. sash boot -f bootp()aks-csd:/vmlinux Alternately, you could use some tool to produce an ECOFF executable from the ELF executable, sufficient to allow the PROM to load it. (The PROM expects only the most basic information, so such a tool does not have to be very sophisticated.) Beyond that, the IP20 is not completely compatible with the Indy (IP24, IRIX IP22 kernel) and Indigo2 (IP22), although it shares the same memory controller, and most of the work on Linux/MIPS so far has been on the Indy. The graphics are often different, and the I/O controller is an older revision, compared to Indy, which is not completely compatible. The graphics card you have is also different from the basic Newport (XL) graphics on Indy, and is probably not yet supported. I have been talking with people within SGI about providing documentation and downloadable firmware for the various graphics cards and for platforms other than Indy, but I don't yet have final agreement. Also, some of these machines were built quite a long time ago (yours was probably built in 1992), so locating some of the documentation is quite an effort. > Here is the output of the "hinv" command under IRIX 4.0.5: > ---------- > 1 50 MHZ IP20 Processor > FPU: MIPS R4010 Floating Point Chip Revision: 0.0 > CPU: MIPS R4000 Processor Chip Revision: 2.2 > On-board serial ports: 2 > Data cache size: 8 Kbytes > Instruction cache size: 8 Kbytes > Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte > Main memory size: 32 Mbytes > Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 0 > CDROM: unit 6 on SCSI controller 0 > Tape drive: unit 5 on SCSI controller 0: QIC 150 > Disk drive / removable media: unit 3 on SCSI controller 0: 720K/1.44M flo= > ppy > Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 0 > Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 > Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision C > Iris Audio Processor: revision 10 > Graphics board: GR2-XS24 with Z-buffer =20 > ----------- > > What could be the problem? Is there a chance to get Linux up and running = > on > this hardware? > > I=B4d appreciate some tips! > > Thanks, > > Andreas > > > > -- > > +---------------------------------------------------------+ > | Dr. Andreas Gaffke Tel/FAX: ++49+241 911646 | > | Lousbergstr. 57 ICQ: 23487004:AndreasG | > | D-52072 Aachen | > | Germany | > | | > | e-Mail: andreas.gaffke@ac.rwth-aachen.de | > | | > | *** Microsoft: it=B4s not a bug, it=B4s a feature. *** | > | | > +---------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 4 11:07:15 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA86897 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:07:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA30605 for linux-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:04:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA39027 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:04:13 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA63896 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:04:13 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199812041904.LAA63896@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: SGI joins linux international To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:04:13 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 212 Lines: 9 [forwarding good news] An official announcement that SGI has joined Linux International appears at http://miranda.li.org/news/sgi/index.shtml Thanks to Dave McAllister for making this happen! -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 4 12:39:50 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA91022 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:39:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA18072 for linux-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:36:59 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA06471; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:36:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA01021; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:36:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA06618; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:42:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:42:45 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Ariel Faigon cc: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: SGI joins linux international In-Reply-To: <199812041904.LAA63896@oz.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 509 Lines: 15 This is obvioulsy very good news; would it be possible for SGI to comment on exactly how they can support us further? SGI's done a great deal to help us this far, I'm really looking forward t odoing more SGI/Linux stuff. I see the biggest area where we need help in getting more hardware supported. That requires getting documentation. I think it would be great if SGI could allocate someone's time to find said documentation. -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 4 13:43:12 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA89861 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:43:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA07654 for linux-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:40:16 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA81070; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:40:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from detroit.sgi.com (cygnus.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.130.2]) by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA28696; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:40:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366856B3.B0DC36F5@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 16:40:03 -0500 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex deVries CC: Ariel Faigon , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: SGI joins linux international References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1227 Lines: 31 Alex deVries wrote: > > This is obvioulsy very good news; would it be possible for SGI to comment > on exactly how they can support us further? > > SGI's done a great deal to help us this far, I'm really looking forward t > odoing more SGI/Linux stuff. I see the biggest area where we need help in > getting more hardware supported. That requires getting documentation. I > think it would be great if SGI could allocate someone's time to find said > documentation. > > -- > Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. > I know exactly what I want in life. I would love to have something to do with this process. If someone knows who I should talk to about a job, let me know. Eric. -- ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau Field Technical Support eak@detroit.sgi.com Silicon Graphics, Inc Voice: (248) 848-4455 39001 West 12 Mile Rd. Fax: (248) 848-5600 Farmington, MI 48331-2903 VNet: 6-327-4455 248-848-4400 "I speak my mind and no one else's." "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up..." http://support.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 4 14:03:21 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA79590 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:03:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA34203 for linux-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:59:14 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.141]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA93671; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:59:11 -0800 (PST) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA19623; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:59:06 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:59:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199812042159.NAA19623@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Alex deVries Cc: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: SGI joins linux international In-Reply-To: References: <199812041904.LAA63896@oz.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 805 Lines: 17 Alex deVries writes: > > This is obvioulsy very good news; would it be possible for SGI to comment > on exactly how they can support us further? > > SGI's done a great deal to help us this far, I'm really looking forward t > odoing more SGI/Linux stuff. I see the biggest area where we need help in > getting more hardware supported. That requires getting documentation. I > think it would be great if SGI could allocate someone's time to find said > documentation. I am working on getting authorization to release more documentation, as well as fragments of hardware management software and, if possible, downloadable graphics firmware for those cards which require firmware. I have agreement in principle, but I need to get agreement on the complete list of items to be released. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 4 14:32:42 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA99665 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:32:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA13730 for linux-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:30:38 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA15162; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:30:09 -0800 (PST) mail_from (anderson@more.net) Received: from vortex.more.net (vortex.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA06513; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:30:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (anderson@more.net) Received: from more.net (betaray.apg.more.net [207.160.133.137]) by vortex.more.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14300; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:30:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36686269.A6F2AC61@more.net> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 16:30:01 -0600 From: "Eric L. Anderson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William J. Earl" CC: Alex deVries , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: SGI joins linux international References: <199812041904.LAA63896@oz.engr.sgi.com> <199812042159.NAA19623@fir.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 535 Lines: 14 "William J. Earl" wrote: > > I am working on getting authorization to release more documentation, > as well as fragments of hardware management software and, if possible, > downloadable graphics firmware for those cards which require firmware. > I have agreement in principle, but I need to get agreement on the complete > list of items to be released. Does the "list of items" include the VPC video hardware? It would be great to see SGI support Linux as an alternative OS for the VPC. -- Eric L. Anderson anderson@more.net From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 4 14:33:29 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA00734 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:33:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA40443 for linux-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:33:11 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.141]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA61318; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:33:09 -0800 (PST) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA19757; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:33:03 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:33:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199812042233.OAA19757@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: "Eric L. Anderson" Cc: "William J. Earl" , Alex deVries , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: SGI joins linux international In-Reply-To: <36686269.A6F2AC61@more.net> References: <199812041904.LAA63896@oz.engr.sgi.com> <199812042159.NAA19623@fir.engr.sgi.com> <36686269.A6F2AC61@more.net> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 608 Lines: 13 Eric L. Anderson writes: > "William J. Earl" wrote: > > > > I am working on getting authorization to release more documentation, > > as well as fragments of hardware management software and, if possible, > > downloadable graphics firmware for those cards which require firmware. > > I have agreement in principle, but I need to get agreement on the complete > > list of items to be released. > > Does the "list of items" include the VPC video hardware? It would be > great to see SGI support Linux as an alternative OS for the VPC. I don't think I can comment on the VPC right now. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Dec 5 19:17:40 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA27146 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:17:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA76174 for linux-list; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:16:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from mailbox.esd.sgi.com (mailbox.esd.sgi.com [130.62.72.15]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA81137; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:16:36 -0800 (PST) mail_from (kck@mailbox.esd.sgi.com) Received: by mailbox.esd.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA91244; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:16:20 -0800 (PST) From: kck@mailbox.esd.sgi.com (Ken Klingman) Message-Id: <199812060316.TAA91244@mailbox.esd.sgi.com> Subject: Re: SGI joins linux internationalt To: wje@fir.engr.sgi.com (William J. Earl) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:16:20 -0800 (PST) Cc: anderson@more.net, wje@fir.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199812042233.OAA19757@fir.engr.sgi.com> from "William J. Earl" at Dec 4, 98 02:33:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 923 Lines: 23 > > Eric L. Anderson writes: > > "William J. Earl" wrote: > > > > > > I am working on getting authorization to release more documentation, > > > as well as fragments of hardware management software and, if possible, > > > downloadable graphics firmware for those cards which require firmware. > > > I have agreement in principle, but I need to get agreement on the complete > > > list of items to be released. > > > > Does the "list of items" include the VPC video hardware? It would be > > great to see SGI support Linux as an alternative OS for the VPC. > > I don't think I can comment on the VPC right now. > We are working on incorporating support for the new workstation products into the standard LInux distributions. However, there are issues with both graphics and digital media that make it difficult to release details about the hardware implementation and interfaces. Ken Klingman From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Dec 5 21:40:30 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA64503 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:40:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA30347 for linux-list; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:38:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA09938; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:38:16 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id VAA02111; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:38:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from eddie (ralf@eddie.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.17]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA03419; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 06:36:41 +0100 (MET) Received: by eddie (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id GAA08942; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 06:36:38 +0100 Message-ID: <19981206063636.57972@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 06:36:36 +0100 To: "William J. Earl" Cc: "Eric L. Anderson" , Alex deVries , SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: SGI joins linux international References: <199812041904.LAA63896@oz.engr.sgi.com> <199812042159.NAA19623@fir.engr.sgi.com> <36686269.A6F2AC61@more.net> <199812042233.OAA19757@fir.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199812042233.OAA19757@fir.engr.sgi.com>; from William J. Earl on Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 02:33:03PM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1438 Lines: 28 On Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 02:33:03PM -0800, William J. Earl wrote: > > Does the "list of items" include the VPC video hardware? It would be > > great to see SGI support Linux as an alternative OS for the VPC. > > I don't think I can comment on the VPC right now. Too bad, we might have used a ton of them running Linux for the Clown project, see www.ccnacht.de and slashdot.org. Friends of Realvideo and raytraced anymations will get on their cost :-) For those who still don't know, this night Linux made more Linux history. We've assembled a cluster of 530 Linux nodes in less than 24h plus additional administration and server machines. A large fraction of the machines was loaned by volunteers. Problems solved by the cluster include computing animations, scientific and mathematical problems that were taking advantage of the large available memory space, computational power and fail safe features - we're continuing to compute while we're already disassembling parts of the cluster. The most important benchmark ran was Linpack which was only run on the 50 666MHz 21164 Alphas which at this time is still running since the rest of the cluster was busy with other jobs. Results will be filed for an entry in the top 500 list. The price for the sickest idea to use the cluster goes to the cluster version of a MIDI player using the PCspeaker which right now is playing random sounds on all Intel machines ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Dec 7 16:25:30 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA25317 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:25:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA26006 for linux-list; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:22:08 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from m7.engr.sgi.com (m7.engr.sgi.com [130.62.13.92]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAB15499 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:22:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (jasonh@m7.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from jasonh@localhost) by m7.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA77298 for linux@engr; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:22:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:22:06 -0800 (PST) From: jasonh@m7.engr.sgi.com (Jason Heirtzler) Message-Id: <199812080022.QAA77298@m7.engr.sgi.com> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux+Indy install info? Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 495 Lines: 22 Hi. Where's the best source of information on getting Linux running on an Indy? I have been using this URL: http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ When my Indy firsts boots over the net, it dies: adv: done running setup freeing unused memory page fault from irq handler $0 ... $4 ... $8 ... $12 ... Aiee, killing interrupt handler Kernel panic: attempted to kill the idle task This is an 150MH Indy R4400, 64M (if that matters) -- Jason Heirtzler Silicon Graphics, Inc From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Dec 7 16:48:09 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA28282 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:48:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA29392 for linux-list; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:46:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA35499 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:46:08 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA04790 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:46:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17123 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:46:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.0) with ESMTP id F3MFGT00.P3P for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:46:05 -0800 Message-ID: <366C75A8.E997D9EC@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:41:12 -0500 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Just Another Snake Cult X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linux/SGI Subject: compiling CVS kernel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2147 Lines: 47 Trying to get my new disk and stuff all working (thanks, Kev!), so that I can take Yet Another Futile Run At EFS, and I can't compile the kernel out of CVS: [shaver@zamboni linux]$ gmake CROSS_COMPILE=mips-linux- boot mips-linux-gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/work/sgi-linux/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -G 0 -mno-abicalls -fno-pic -mcpu=r4600 -mips2 -pipe -c -o init/main.o init/main.c /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h: In function `on_sig_stack': In file included from init/main.c:17: /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h:528: `current' undeclared (first use this function) /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h:528: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h:528: for each function it appears in.) /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h:530: warning: control reaches end of non-void function /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h: In function `sas_ss_flags': /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h:534: `current' undeclared (first use this function) /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h:536: warning: control reaches end of non-void function /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h: In function `suser': /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h:561: `current' undeclared (first use this function) /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h: In function `fsuser': /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h:570: `current' undeclared (first use this function) /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h: In function `capable': /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/sched.h:586: `current' undeclared (first use this function) /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/mm.h: In function `expand_stack': In file included from /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/slab.h:14, from /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/malloc.h:4, from /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/proc_fs.h:6, from init/main.c:24: /work/sgi-linux/linux/include/linux/mm.h:353: `current' undeclared (first use this function) gmake: *** [init/main.o] Error 1 Thoughts? Mike -- 1840216.79 1276744.78 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Dec 10 07:41:41 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA94279 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:41:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA92565 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:40:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA42864 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:40:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA00789 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:38:59 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.65.127]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA05751; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:36:49 +0100 (MET) Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id QAA04620; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:36:47 +0100 Message-ID: <19981210163646.60106@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:36:46 +0100 To: "Andrew R. Baker" Cc: linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Linux on an SGI Challenge L References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew R. Baker on Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 03:47:19PM -0600 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 570 Lines: 12 On Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 03:47:19PM -0600, Andrew R. Baker wrote: > Anyone care to make any comments on porting Linux to an SGI Challenge L > machine w/ (4) R4400 processors? Am I crazy to even attempt this? You're not crazy, after all Linux is already running on bigger iron and about to run on Sun's E10000. However you should checkout again what hardware you actually have on your system. A Challenge L is mostly like an Indy (which is supported), that is strictly uniprocessor. So your system either is not a multiprocessor system or not a Challenge L. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Dec 10 08:00:02 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA95016 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:00:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA02457 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:59:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA45003 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:59:13 -0800 (PST) mail_from (sparker@taz.cs.utah.edu) Received: from wrath.cs.utah.edu (wrath.cs.utah.edu [155.99.198.100]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA09932 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:59:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (sparker@taz.cs.utah.edu) Received: from taz.cs.utah.edu (taz.cs.utah.edu [155.99.203.51]) by wrath.cs.utah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA03995; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:59:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by taz.cs.utah.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/utah-2.15sun-leaf) id IAA07178; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:59:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:59:11 -0700 From: sparker@taz.cs.utah.edu (Steven G. Parker) Message-Id: <9812100859.ZM7179@taz.cs.utah.edu> In-Reply-To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de "Re: Linux on an SGI Challenge L" (Dec 10, 4:36pm) References: <19981210163646.60106@uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, "Andrew R. Baker" Subject: Re: Linux on an SGI Challenge L Cc: linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 934 Lines: 21 On Dec 10, 4:36pm, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > Subject: Re: Linux on an SGI Challenge L > On Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 03:47:19PM -0600, Andrew R. Baker wrote: > > > Anyone care to make any comments on porting Linux to an SGI Challenge L > > machine w/ (4) R4400 processors? Am I crazy to even attempt this? > > You're not crazy, after all Linux is already running on bigger iron and > about to run on Sun's E10000. However you should checkout again what > hardware you actually have on your system. A Challenge L is mostly like > an Indy (which is supported), that is strictly uniprocessor. So > your system either is not a multiprocessor system or not a Challenge L. Actually, the Indy system is a Challenge S. The Indigo^2 system is a Challenge M. The Challenge L is the desk-side system and can indeed support multiple processors. I can only comment on the model line - not on whether you are crazy or not :) Steve Parker From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Dec 10 08:10:49 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA95614 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:10:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA47391 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:09:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA09329 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:09:44 -0800 (PST) mail_from (matomira@acm.org) Received: from link.csem.ch ([138.131.145.25]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA09335 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:09:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (matomira@acm.org) Received: from exchsrv.csem.ch by link.csem.ch; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:09:00 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199812101609.RAA18429@link.csem.ch> Received: from salsa (salsa.csem.ch [138.131.170.33]) by exchsrv.csem.ch with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id XHFMFYXJ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:08:09 +0100 X-Sender: fmm@exchsrv X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:08:17 +0100 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com From: "Fernando D. Mato Mira" Subject: Re: Linux on an SGI Challenge L In-Reply-To: <19981210163646.60106@uni-koblenz.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by link.csem.ch id RAA18429 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 896 Lines: 22 >hardware you actually have on your system. A Challenge L is mostly like >an Indy (which is supported), that is strictly uniprocessor. So >your system either is not a multiprocessor system or not a Challenge L. Slip. Challenge S == "Indy" . Challenge L = deskside (max 8 proc) Challenge DM = deskside (max 4?) Fernando D. Mato Mira                    Real-Time SW Eng & Networking            Advanced Systems Engineering Division CSEM - Centre Suisse d'Electronique et de Microtechnique                                 Jaquet-Droz 1                         email:  matomira@acm.org CH-2007 Neuchatel                       tel: +41 (32) 720-5157 Switzerland                             FAX: +41 (32) 720-5720 www.csem.ch                  w ww.vrai.com               http://ligwww.epfl.ch/matomira.html From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Dec 10 08:22:08 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA96573 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:22:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA43820 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:21:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA32003; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:21:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA84751; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199812101621.IAA84751@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Linux on an SGI Challenge L In-Reply-To: <9812100859.ZM7179@taz.cs.utah.edu> from "Steven G. Parker" at "Dec 10, 98 08:59:11 am" To: sparker@taz.cs.utah.edu (Steven G. Parker) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:21:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, andrewb@uab.edu, linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1210 Lines: 25 Steven G. Parker wrote: | On Dec 10, 4:36pm, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: | > > Anyone care to make any comments on porting Linux to an SGI Challenge L | > > machine w/ (4) R4400 processors? Am I crazy to even attempt this? | > | > You're not crazy, after all Linux is already running on bigger iron and | > about to run on Sun's E10000. However you should checkout again what | > hardware you actually have on your system. A Challenge L is mostly like | > an Indy (which is supported), that is strictly uniprocessor. So | > your system either is not a multiprocessor system or not a Challenge L. | | Actually, the Indy system is a Challenge S. The Indigo^2 system is | a Challenge M. The Challenge L is the desk-side system and can indeed | support multiple processors. | | I can only comment on the model line - not on whether you are crazy or not :) The hardware is radically different. The only shared item is the cpu, and even it's used in a fairly different way. indy w/o graphics as challenge S, etc. is strictly a marketing idea. It's clearly doable, but you need a whole new set of hardware specs. Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Dec 10 08:28:14 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA97246 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:28:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA39819 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:27:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA55015 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:27:34 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA00480 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:27:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA00531; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:24:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:24:10 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: "Andrew R. Baker" , linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Linux on an SGI Challenge L In-Reply-To: <19981210163646.60106@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 75 Lines: 5 What's in a Challenge L exactly, in terms of devices and busses? - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Dec 10 08:44:29 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA91041 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:44:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA18512 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:44:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA76896; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:44:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA85119; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:44:08 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199812101644.IAA85119@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Linux on an SGI Challenge L In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Dec 10, 98 11:24:10 am" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:44:08 -0800 (PST) Cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, andrewb@uab.edu, linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 586 Lines: 20 Alex deVries wrote: | | What's in a Challenge L exactly, in terms of devices and busses? same cpu bus, but used differently hidden gio bus within some cards (not quite the same as indy) vme wd95 scsi, not wd93 different ethernet different serial different memory/io interface chip, with layered and "interesting" buses(plural) to various kinds of i/o interrupts (of course) are quite different, with some interesting issues in the implementation. There may still be some old white papers on www.sgi.com Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Dec 10 10:48:46 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA10641 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:48:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA18993 for linux-list; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:47:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA25106 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:47:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA05274 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:47:28 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.65.127]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA28752; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:45:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id TAA05023; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:45:24 +0100 Message-ID: <19981210194524.37678@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:45:24 +0100 To: "Steven G. Parker" Cc: "Andrew R. Baker" , linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Linux on an SGI Challenge L References: <19981210163646.60106@uni-koblenz.de> <9812100859.ZM7179@taz.cs.utah.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <9812100859.ZM7179@taz.cs.utah.edu>; from Steven G. Parker on Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 08:59:11AM -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1212 Lines: 26 On Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 08:59:11AM -0700, Steven G. Parker wrote: > On Dec 10, 4:36pm, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > Subject: Re: Linux on an SGI Challenge L > > On Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 03:47:19PM -0600, Andrew R. Baker wrote: > > > > > Anyone care to make any comments on porting Linux to an SGI Challenge L > > > machine w/ (4) R4400 processors? Am I crazy to even attempt this? > > > > You're not crazy, after all Linux is already running on bigger iron and > > about to run on Sun's E10000. However you should checkout again what > > hardware you actually have on your system. A Challenge L is mostly like > > an Indy (which is supported), that is strictly uniprocessor. So > > your system either is not a multiprocessor system or not a Challenge L. > > Actually, the Indy system is a Challenge S. The Indigo^2 system is > a Challenge M. The Challenge L is the desk-side system and can indeed > support multiple processors. > > I can only comment on the model line - not on whether you are crazy or not :) Sorry, I'm out of my mind since the big flu knocked me down during last weekend's CLOWN cluster event. I was actually thinking Challenge S. Ralf (Going back to Asprine and hot tee ...) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 11 11:47:27 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA08920 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:47:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA54653 for linux-list; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:46:27 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA15905 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:46:26 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA90900 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:46:26 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199812111946.LAA90900@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: (forwarding bounce) hardware specs To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:46:26 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2201 Lines: 63 [Forwarding this bounce from linux@engr.sgi.com. Note that to avoid spams to the list we set the allowed to post to subscribers only. This has caught many many spams (I've been the only one getting them :-) If you subscribe with a certain address, be sure to use that address in your posts. Also, using a more "general" (one domain level up) in the subscription, would allow posting from various machines in that domain -- Ariel.] Sender: lpb@CERF.NET Message-ID: <36714FF1.CB44A9C6@cerfnet.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:01:37 -0800 From: Lyle Bickley Organization: Bickley Consulting West Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex deVries CC: Dave Olson , ralf@uni-koblenz.de, andrewb@uab.edu, linux-smp@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Linux on an SGI Challenge L References: <199812101644.IAA85119@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There may still be some old white papers on www.sgi.com I do some app. development on SGI boxes, and have found that SGI's Developer Toolbox is a rich resource for hardware and software information - including an online copy of SGI's Hardware Referece manual. You can join SGI's developer program for free by going to www.sgi.com and following the Developer links. That will give you access to all of the goodies I've mentioned above. I'm interested in your progress in this matter. SGI's hardware is very impressive in terms of CPU, buss and I/O performance - it would be "interesting" to see Linux on an SMP SGI system. Good Luck! Uou'll probably need lots of it... :-) Cheers, Lyle > > Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics > http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com > - > Linux SMP list: FIRST see FAQ at http://www.irisa.fr/prive/mentre/smp-faq/ > To Unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe linux-smp" to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu -- Lyle P. Bickley | Bickley Consulting West Inc. lpb@cerfnet.com | 1697 Grant Road V 650-428-0621 | Mountain View, CA 94040 F 650-428-0599 | -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Dec 13 02:54:28 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA72467 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:54:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA26126 for linux-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:53:44 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA86947 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:53:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA00532 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:53:42 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199812131053.CAA00532@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:53:42 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2341 Lines: 69 Hi, I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you be doing in reponse. Note that: The facts this email presents are inaccurate: 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com just a free source distribution. 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate any claim to its derivatives by another party. 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 in a casual way in one title. 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. Forwarded message: :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca :From: Maurice Hilarius :Subject: Hard Hat Linux :Cc: ariel@sgi.com :Mime-Version: 1.0 :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" : :Good day Gentlemen. : :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ : :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, :Alberta, Canada. : :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express :permission. : :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). : :Seasons Greetings. : :Best regards, : : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com : : -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Dec 13 11:12:08 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA77251 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:12:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA17317 for linux-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:11:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA76076; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:11:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA07791; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:11:18 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13169; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.0) with ESMTP id F3X3YT00.4YT; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:11:17 -0800 Message-ID: <36741185.8869EA23@netscape.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:12:05 -0500 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Just Another Snake Cult X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.131 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ariel Faigon CC: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) References: <199812131053.CAA00532@oz.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1122 Lines: 33 Ariel Faigon wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this > email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you > be doing in reponse. > > Note that: > The facts this email presents are inaccurate: > > 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com > just a free source distribution. > 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is > a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate > any claim to its derivatives by another party. > 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say > it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 > in a casual way in one title. > 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". I believe the installer uses the term `Hard Hat Linux', even on the RH-sold Rough Cuts CD. We should really rebuild that properly, and I know Alex was talking about doing just that. puffin? [shaver@zamboni sbin]$ strings install2 | grep Hard\ Hat Hard Hat Linux, portions (C) 1998 Red Hat Software Mike (now, back to efs_read_inode_direct) -- 1991.86 1829.26 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Dec 13 16:59:19 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA80062 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:59:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA40917 for linux-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:58:34 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgibos.boston.sgi.com (sgibos.boston.sgi.com [169.238.33.4] (may be forged)) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA36513 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:58:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (jmichaud@chaos.boston.sgi.com) Received: from chaos.boston.sgi.com by sgibos.boston.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI) for <@sgibos.boston.sgi.com:linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com> id TAA00301; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:58:29 -0500 Received: (from jmichaud@localhost) by chaos.boston.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA12134 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:58:29 -0500 From: jmichaud@chaos.boston.sgi.com (Joseph Michaud) Message-Id: <9812131958.ZM12132@chaos.boston.sgi.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:58:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) "Hard Hat Linux (fwd)" (Dec 13, 2:53am) References: <199812131053.CAA00532@oz.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Subject: Re: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2984 Lines: 88 Hmm. I don't find any such trademarks on a search at the US Patent Office (http://www.uspto.gov/tmdb/index.html). Ask him what the trademark registration number is, and where it is registered... Joe On Dec 13, 2:53am, Ariel Faigon wrote: > > I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this > email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you > be doing in reponse. > > Note that: > The facts this email presents are inaccurate: > > 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com > just a free source distribution. > 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is > a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate > any claim to its derivatives by another party. > 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say > it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 > in a casual way in one title. > 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". > > I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual > use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any > product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. > > > Forwarded message: > :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 > :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> > :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 > :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 > :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca > :From: Maurice Hilarius > :Subject: Hard Hat Linux > :Cc: ariel@sgi.com > :Mime-Version: 1.0 > :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > : > :Good day Gentlemen. > : > :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: > :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ > : > :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are > :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, > :Alberta, Canada. > : > :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not > :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". > :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, > :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express > :permission. > : > :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data > :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). > : > :Seasons Greetings. > : > :Best regards, > : > : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 > : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 > : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com > : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com > : > : > > > -- > Peace, Ariel > >-- End of excerpt from Ariel Faigon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Michaud Silicon Graphics - Applications Consulting jmichaud@boston.sgi.com x483-2255 (978) 562-4800 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Dec 13 19:30:52 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA81712 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:30:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA64188 for linux-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:30:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from hollywood.engr.sgi.com (hollywood.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.38]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA82925 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:30:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@hollywood.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from fisher@localhost) by hollywood.engr.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA04930; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:29:50 -0800 From: fisher@hollywood.engr.sgi.com (William Fisher) Message-Id: <199812140329.TAA04930@hollywood.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) To: jmichaud@chaos.boston.sgi.com (Joseph Michaud) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:29:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@hollywood.engr.sgi.com, fisher@hollywood.engr.sgi.com (William Fisher) In-Reply-To: <9812131958.ZM12132@chaos.boston.sgi.com> from "Joseph Michaud" at Dec 13, 98 07:58:29 pm Reply-To: fisher@sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3536 Lines: 102 > > > Hmm. I don't find any such trademarks on a search at the > US Patent Office (http://www.uspto.gov/tmdb/index.html). > > Ask him what the trademark registration number is, and > where it is registered... > > Joe > Did you try Thomson and Thomson? The US Government trademarks don't cover Canada. Thompson and Thompson is very expensive but have a near monopoly on the worldwide trade-mark business. The have a web site under the thomson-thomson and a new service under the saegious(sp) name BUT they charge $2.50 per hit on any search AFTER you setup and account. -- Bill > On Dec 13, 2:53am, Ariel Faigon wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this > > email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you > > be doing in reponse. > > > > Note that: > > The facts this email presents are inaccurate: > > > > 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com > > just a free source distribution. > > 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is > > a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate > > any claim to its derivatives by another party. > > 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say > > it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 > > in a casual way in one title. > > 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". > > > > I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual > > use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any > > product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. > > > > > > Forwarded message: > > :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 > > :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> > > :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 > > :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > > :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 > > :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca > > :From: Maurice Hilarius > > :Subject: Hard Hat Linux > > :Cc: ariel@sgi.com > > :Mime-Version: 1.0 > > :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > : > > :Good day Gentlemen. > > : > > :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: > > :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ > > : > > :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are > > :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, > > :Alberta, Canada. > > : > > :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not > > :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". > > :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, > > :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express > > :permission. > > : > > :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data > > :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). > > : > > :Seasons Greetings. > > : > > :Best regards, > > : > > : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 > > : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 > > : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com > > : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com > > : > > : > > > > > > -- > > Peace, Ariel > > > >-- End of excerpt from Ariel Faigon > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Joseph Michaud Silicon Graphics - Applications Consulting > jmichaud@boston.sgi.com x483-2255 (978) 562-4800 > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Dec 13 20:02:35 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA82373 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:02:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA33832 for linux-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:01:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com (xtp.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.34]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id UAA49554; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:01:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id UAA18921; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:01:46 -0800 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9812132001.ZM18919@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:01:46 -0800 In-Reply-To: ariel@oz (Ariel Faigon) "Hard Hat Linux (fwd)" (Dec 13, 2:53am) References: <199812131053.CAA00532@oz.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Subject: Re: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 60 Lines: 5 Hilarius is a trademark of Monty Python. -- Greg Chesson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Dec 16 15:27:54 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA38958 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:27:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA53638 for linux-list; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:25:33 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA30066 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:25:31 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA14660; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:25:19 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199812162325.PAA14660@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) To: jmichaud@chaos.boston.sgi.com (Joseph Michaud) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:25:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <9812131958.ZM12132@chaos.boston.sgi.com> from "Joseph Michaud" at Dec 13, 98 07:58:29 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3875 Lines: 114 [FYI, regarding that request to erase the "Hard Hat" words from www.linux.sgi.com -- Ariel] The suggestion by Joe to check http://www.uspto.gov/tmdb/index.html proved to be pretty helpful, thanks. A search revealed no less than 22 parties claiming "Hard Hat" as a registered trade mark in various variations. I wrote back to Mr Hilarius (tm of Monty as Greg suggested :-) telling him that I couldn't verify his claim in this database (and what I found instead) and asked for more details. I also mentioned that AFAIK "Linux" is a trademark of Linus Torvalds and asked whether he can prove that he got permission from Linus to use the TM in his claimed TM: "Hard Hat Linux". That said, I made it clear that it is not our intention to infringe on anyone trademarks, and if he could only answer my questions in a satisfactory way, We'd be glad to change our web page. He had several days to respond, but I haven't heard from him since... Will let you know if he ever does. -- Peace, Ariel :On Dec 13, 2:53am, Ariel Faigon wrote: :> :> I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this :> email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you :> be doing in reponse. :> :> Note that: :> The facts this email presents are inaccurate: :> :> 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com :> just a free source distribution. :> 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is :> a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate :> any claim to its derivatives by another party. :> 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say :> it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 :> in a casual way in one title. :> 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". :> :> I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual :> use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any :> product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. :> :> :> Forwarded message: :> :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 :> :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> :> :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 :> :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) :> :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 :> :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca :> :From: Maurice Hilarius :> :Subject: Hard Hat Linux :> :Cc: ariel@sgi.com :> :Mime-Version: 1.0 :> :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" :> : :> :Good day Gentlemen. :> : :> :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: :> :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ :> : :> :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are :> :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, :> :Alberta, Canada. :> : :> :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not :> :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". :> :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, :> :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express :> :permission. :> : :> :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data :> :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). :> : :> :Seasons Greetings. :> : :> :Best regards, :> : :> : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 :> : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 :> : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com :> : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com :> : :> : :> :> :> -- :> Peace, Ariel :> :>-- End of excerpt from Ariel Faigon : : : :-- : :------------------------------------------------------------------------ :Joseph Michaud Silicon Graphics - Applications Consulting :jmichaud@boston.sgi.com x483-2255 (978) 562-4800 : -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Dec 17 04:21:05 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA89984 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:21:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA67118 for linux-list; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:20:26 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA67101 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:20:24 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from smtp2.casema.net (ns1.casema.net [195.96.96.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id EAA08322 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:20:22 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from infopact.nl (9dyn214.breda.casema.net [195.96.116.214]) by smtp2.casema.net (8.9.1/CASEMA) with ESMTP id NAA17710 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:20:10 +0100 Posted-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:20:10 +0100 Message-ID: <3678F801.C399874F@infopact.nl> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:24:34 -0800 From: Richard Hartensveld X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: console on serial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 362 Lines: 18 Hi, Is it possible to get a console on the serial port with the hardhat package ?. I'm trying to get linux installed on a challenge S, which has no video board, all goes pretty well until i get into userland and the kernel wants to open /dev/console, which i would like to be a terminal on the serial port, is this possible? Regards, Richard Hartensveld From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Dec 17 14:25:34 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA31648 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:25:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA38697 for linux-list; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:24:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA39485 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:24:13 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA08953 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:24:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11536 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.0) with ESMTP id F44RK800.DX0; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:24:08 -0800 Message-ID: <367984B8.62A40F40@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:24:56 -0500 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Just Another Snake Cult X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.131 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Hartensveld CC: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: Re: console on serial References: <3678F801.C399874F@infopact.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 513 Lines: 17 Richard Hartensveld wrote: > I'm trying to get linux installed on a challenge S, which has no video > board, all goes pretty > well until i get into userland and the kernel wants to open > /dev/console, which i would > like to be a terminal on the serial port, is this possible? Yeah, that's how I boot my Indy when I need to capture early-on kernel dumps. Make sure that /dev/console is a symlink to /dev/ttyS0. I assume the prom is set correctly, because you're getting this far. Mike -- 24926.91 21925.54 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 18 04:38:06 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA07899 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:38:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA58698 for linux-list; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:37:25 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA58443 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:37:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from smtp1.casema.net (sun4000.casema.net [195.96.96.97]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id EAA02788 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:37:22 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from infopact.nl (9dyn35.breda.casema.net [195.96.116.35]) by smtp1.casema.net (8.9.1/CASEMA) with ESMTP id NAA00878; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:36:41 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:36:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <367A4D40.81E7F946@infopact.nl> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:40:33 -0800 From: Richard Hartensveld X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Shaver CC: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: Re: console on serial References: <3678F801.C399874F@infopact.nl> <367984B8.62A40F40@netscape.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 732 Lines: 23 Mike Shaver wrote: > Richard Hartensveld wrote: > > I'm trying to get linux installed on a challenge S, which has no video > > board, all goes pretty > > well until i get into userland and the kernel wants to open > > /dev/console, which i would > > like to be a terminal on the serial port, is this possible? > > Yeah, that's how I boot my Indy when I need to capture early-on kernel > dumps. > Make sure that /dev/console is a symlink to /dev/ttyS0. I made a ttyS0 on the nfs-root filesystem and linked /dev/console to it, i no longer get the message 'can't open console' but no message at all :). i made the ttyS0 device using mknod ttyS0 c 4 64. I seem to be forgetting something, anyone who can fill me in here ? Richard From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Dec 21 08:46:15 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA28130 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:46:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA48947 for linux-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:45:13 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA61487 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:45:11 -0800 (PST) mail_from (fredrov@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com (f64.hotmail.com [207.82.251.198]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id IAA01720 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:45:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (fredrov@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 11415 invoked by uid 0); 21 Dec 1998 16:45:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19981221164506.11414.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.215.242.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:45:03 PST X-Originating-IP: [193.215.242.130] From: "Fredrik Rovik" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Status Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:45:03 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 394 Lines: 14 Hello, I am sorry if this is an issue stated in a faq or updated document or something. But, how far are we exactly? I have an I2 Extreme (R4.4 200).. I doubt I can run linux on it yet. But, it's an interesting thought. And, well.the webpage doesn't seem tooo updated :) Fredrik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Dec 21 12:06:49 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA41600 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:06:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA31106 for linux-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:06:05 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA39284; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:06:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA08219; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:06:03 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199812212006.MAA08219@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Status To: fredrov@hotmail.com (Fredrik Rovik) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:06:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <19981221164506.11414.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Fredrik Rovik" at Dec 21, 98 08:45:03 am Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 465 Lines: 21 : :Hello, : :I am sorry if this is an issue stated in a faq or updated document :or something. But, how far are we exactly? :I have an I2 Extreme (R4.4 200).. I doubt I can run linux on it yet. :But, it's an interesting thought. And, well.the webpage :doesn't seem tooo updated :) : :Fredrik : Well. I just updated the FAQ with this frequently asked question :-) P.S. We are still looking for a volunteer to keep the web site more up to date. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Dec 21 12:37:47 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA26551 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:37:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA48920 for linux-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:36:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA46276; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:36:42 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA05108; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:36:40 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11241; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:36:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13372; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:36:37 +0100 (MET) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA17791; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:36:37 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981221213637.E3937@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:36:37 +0100 From: Honza Pazdziora To: Ariel Faigon , Fredrik Rovik Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Status References: <19981221164506.11414.qmail@hotmail.com> <199812212006.MAA08219@oz.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199812212006.MAA08219@oz.engr.sgi.com>; from Ariel Faigon on Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 12:06:03PM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 695 Lines: 19 > > P.S. > We are still looking for a volunteer to keep the web site > more up to date. Well, I know you are pointing at me, but I really didn't see much changes that should make their way to the web during last months. But I'm only following this list, not other linux-kernel's. Did I miss something? As for the HW specs, the pages stated for a long time that only Indys are supported and we've said that on the pages. Yours, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ Boycott the Czech Telecom -- www.bojkot.cz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Dec 21 12:58:00 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA44876 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:57:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA69241 for linux-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:56:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA25891; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:56:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (asnmaz01@asc.edu) Received: from vera.dpo.uab.edu (Vera.dpo.uab.edu [138.26.1.12]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA06666; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:56:38 -0800 (PST) mail_from (asnmaz01@asc.edu) Received: from asc.edu (138.26.15.137) by vera.dpo.uab.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.1B4A1420@vera.dpo.uab.edu>; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:56:36 -0600 Message-ID: <367EB68D.8B823F88@asc.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:58:53 -0600 From: "Mark A. Zottola" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Honza Pazdziora CC: Ariel Faigon , Fredrik Rovik , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Status References: <19981221164506.11414.qmail@hotmail.com> <199812212006.MAA08219@oz.engr.sgi.com> <19981221213637.E3937@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1196 Lines: 32 I guess I should probably interject a point of information on this thread. Both myself and 2 colleagues at UAB will be extending the port of Linux to the Indigo2 platform as part of a project funded by SGI to build a Beowulf cluster consisting of Indigo2's. We are waiting to receive these machines and intend to begin earnest work after the new year. So I hope we can contribute a change in the information content of said pages in the near future. Mark Honza Pazdziora wrote: > > As for the HW specs, the pages stated for a long time that only Indys > are supported and we've said that on the pages. > > Yours, > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ > Boycott the Czech Telecom -- www.bojkot.cz > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ********* Mark A. Zottola Alabama Research and Education Network 119 Rust Research Center Nichols Research Corporation University of Alabama-Birmingham VOICE: (205) 934-3893 Birmingham, AL 35294 EMAIL: asnmaz01@csimail.asc.edu From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Dec 21 13:16:25 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA46101 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:16:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA64587 for linux-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:15:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from odin.corp.sgi.com (odin.corp.sgi.com [192.26.51.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA60557 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:15:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (aumenta@albany.sgi.com) Received: from t-bar.albany.sgi.com by odin.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/951211.SGI) for id NAA12850; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:15:13 -0800 Received: from albany.sgi.com by t-bar.albany.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) for id QAA14782; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:11:06 -0500 Message-ID: <367EB96A.AB060206@albany.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:11:06 -0500 From: Al Aumenta X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: bootp on IRIX server Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3232 Lines: 91 I am attempting to install Linux on an Indy but I am running into a problem
the instructions are for using bootp on a i386 host, I am interpreting the instructions
for an SGI host .
here is what I have:

/etc/inetd.conf

bootp   dgram   udp     wait    root    /usr/etc/bootp bootp -f /etc/bootptab
tftp    dgram   udp     wait    root    /usr/etc/tftpd  tftpd -s  /usr/src/sgi/installfs
bootparam/1 dgram   rpc/udp wait    root    /usr/etc/rpc.bootparamd bootparamd
 
/etc/bootptab:

(server info)
/usr/src/sgi/installfs
vmlinux
(client info)
cygnus                  1 08:00:69:09:2d:9b     169.238.59.4    vmlinux
 
 

I have successfully connected with the server -- the kernel boots - but the kernel cannot
mount the network file system.

I get RPC errors pointing to nfs and mountd :
Looking up port of RPC 100003/2 on 169.238.59.23
RPC: sendmsg returned error 128
portmap server 169.238.59.23 not responding , timed out

Looking up port of RPC 100005/1 on 169.238.59.23
RPC: sendmsg returned error 128
portmap server 169.238.59.23 not responding , timed out
 
Root-NFS: Unable to get mountd port number from serve, using default

rpcinf -p output is :
    100000    3   udp    111  portmapper
    100000    2   udp    111  portmapper
    100000    3   tcp    111  portmapper
    100000    2   tcp    111  portmapper
    100005    1   tcp   1024  mountd
    100005    3   tcp   1024  mountd
    100005    1   udp   1027  mountd
    100005    3   udp   1027  mountd
    100003    2   udp   2049  nfs
    100003    3   udp   2049  nfs
    100003    2   tcp   2049  nfs
    100003    3   tcp   2049  nfs
****
I know I have permissions problems but I'm not sure where. oh by the way
/etc/exports:
/usr/src/sgi/installfs -anon=root,nohide,root=cygnus
 

any information you can give will be most appreciated.

Thanks

Al
  

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Albert Aumenta
Systems Support Engineer
Silicon Graphics Inc.
Phone 518-434-5886
e-mail aumenta@albany.sgi.com
  From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Dec 21 13:22:29 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA46370 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:22:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA56383 for linux-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:21:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA65434; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:21:42 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA06287; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:21:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA13034; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:22:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:22:45 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Ariel Faigon cc: Fredrik Rovik , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Status In-Reply-To: <199812212006.MAA08219@oz.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 364 Lines: 12 On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Ariel Faigon wrote: > :I am sorry if this is an issue stated in a faq or updated document > :or something. But, how far are we exactly? > :I have an I2 Extreme (R4.4 200).. I doubt I can run linux on it yet. > :But, it's an interesting thought. And, well.the webpage > :doesn't seem tooo updated :) What's in an I2 Extreme exactly? - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Dec 21 13:34:37 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA47100 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:34:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA71127 for linux-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA72625 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:33:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA08955 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199812212133.NAA08955@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: bootp on IRIX server To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:33:48 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1119 Lines: 40 [Forwarding bounced message. Please subscribe with an explicit general-domain (no machine) to avoid anti-spam subscriber-only bounces. Majordomo is picky about this -- Ariel] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:23:19 -0800 From: Shrijeet Mukherjee To: Al Aumenta cc: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: Re: bootp on IRIX server In-Reply-To: <367EB96A.AB060206@albany.sgi.com> Message-ID: I had the same problem .. and I really do not remember what I did to make it go away .. but here are 2 things to try .. 1> run snoop on your SGI box .. and see what exactly is happening .. 2> try and bootp the unix kernel (IRIX) and see if bootp is setup and running right .. another thing I gathered is that there is some NFS incompatibility and we need to serve the bootp of an intel linux box .. and thus I resorted to that .. hope this helps .. On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Al Aumenta wrote: ->I am attempting to install Linux on an Indy but I am running into a ->problem -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Dec 21 14:17:10 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA49917 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:17:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA88636 for linux-list; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:16:05 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com (xtp.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.34]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA77440; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:16:02 -0800 (PST) mail_from (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id OAA02080; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:16:01 -0800 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9812211416.ZM2078@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:16:01 -0800 In-Reply-To: Alex deVries "Re: Status" (Dec 21, 4:22pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: Alex deVries , Ariel Faigon Subject: Re: Status Cc: Fredrik Rovik , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 480 Lines: 14 I2 means Indigo2. Extreme means he has a high-end graphics board. The I2 is like the Indy, but has two built-in SCSI channels rather than one. It tends to not have all the multi-media stuff on the motherboard that you find on the Indy. I have an I2 because - unlike the Indy - I can put two XL graphics cards in it and run a two-head display. The I2 also allows for an Extreme card and an XL (but not 2 Extreme's). Also, can have more memory than an Indy. g -- Greg Chesson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Dec 22 07:37:33 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA43251 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:37:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA79480 for linux-list; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:36:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA03517 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:36:39 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from smtp2.casema.net (ns1.casema.net [195.96.96.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA02591 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:36:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from infopact.nl (9dyn123.breda.casema.net [195.96.116.123]) by smtp2.casema.net (8.9.1/CASEMA) with ESMTP id QAA04979 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:36:32 +0100 Posted-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:36:32 +0100 Message-ID: <367FBD86.BEC2F68F@infopact.nl> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:40:54 -0800 From: Richard Hartensveld X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: crosscompiling for r5k. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 439 Lines: 21 Hi, I'm having problems crosscompiling a kernel for my challenge s (180mhz R5000). I had this problem before but lost the solution during a harddisk crash. Is it normal that when you configure for a r5k, gcc uses the '-mcpu=r8000' option?. When i compile, i get a kernel, only it won't boot. i am compiling on i386. Some of you have come up with a fix the last time, only i haven't got it anymore, anyone that could help ? Richard From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Dec 22 15:25:51 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA88292 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:25:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA60044 for linux-list; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:24:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA72471 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:24:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA09835 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:24:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA24296 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:26:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: kernel build problem. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 841 Lines: 28 So, I'm building 2.1.121 that's in cvs using egcs-2.90.27 980315 and binutils 2.8.1. Both are from Rough Cuts. Here's the error: make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/mips/mm' egcs -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -G 0 -mno-abicalls -fno-pic -mcpu=r4600 -mips2 -pipe -c -o r6000.o r6000.c {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:384: Warning: Unmatched %hi reloc {standard input}:487: Internal error! Assertion failure in tc_gen_reloc at ./config/tc-mips.c line 10203. Please report this bug. make[2]: *** [r6000.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/mips/mm' Any ideas on what I should do here? Also, Ralf, are you going to upload 2.1.131 soon? - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Dec 22 19:50:08 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA21822 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:50:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA37949 for linux-list; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:49:21 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA65518; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:49:18 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id TAA02056; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:49:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA03676; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:50:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Greg Chesson cc: Ariel Faigon , Fredrik Rovik , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Status In-Reply-To: <9812211416.ZM2078@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 642 Lines: 16 On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Greg Chesson wrote: > I2 means Indigo2. > Extreme means he has a high-end graphics board. > The I2 is like the Indy, but has two built-in SCSI channels rather > than one. It tends to not have all the multi-media stuff on the motherboard > that you find on the Indy. I have an I2 because - unlike the Indy - > I can put two XL graphics cards in it and run a two-head display. > The I2 also allows for an Extreme card and an XL (but not 2 Extreme's). > Also, can have more memory than an Indy. The Indigo2 sounds a lot like a Challenge S; is the internal architecture similiar to the Indy/Challenge S as well? - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Dec 23 23:57:25 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA60328 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:57:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA77550 for linux-list; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:56:24 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA79099 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:56:21 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA05950 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:56:20 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (pmport-12.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.12]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27579 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:56:15 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA07012; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:44:41 +0100 Message-ID: <19981223054440.E6183@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:44:40 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Alex deVries , SGI Linux Subject: Re: kernel build problem. References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Tue, Dec 22, 1998 at 06:26:08PM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1050 Lines: 29 On Tue, Dec 22, 1998 at 06:26:08PM -0500, Alex deVries wrote: > So, I'm building 2.1.121 that's in cvs using egcs-2.90.27 980315 and > binutils 2.8.1. Both are from Rough Cuts. > > Here's the error: > > make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/mips/mm' > egcs -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 > -fomit-frame-pointer -G 0 -mno-abicalls -fno-pic -mcpu=r4600 -mips2 -pipe > -c -o r6000.o r6000.c > {standard input}: Assembler messages: > {standard input}:384: Warning: Unmatched %hi reloc > {standard input}:487: Internal error! > Assertion failure in tc_gen_reloc at ./config/tc-mips.c line 10203. > Please report this bug. > make[2]: *** [r6000.o] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/mips/mm' Add -mno-split-addresses to CFLAGS. Your egcs still enables that optimization by default. > Any ideas on what I should do here? Also, Ralf, are you going to upload > 2.1.131 soon? Somewhen, when it's working and when I'm done with more urgent non-software things of live ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Dec 23 23:57:20 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA60278 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:57:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA55261 for linux-list; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:56:44 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA73532 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:56:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA03751 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:56:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (pmport-12.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.12]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27727 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:56:36 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA07035; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:50:57 +0100 Message-ID: <19981223055057.G6183@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:50:57 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Richard Hartensveld , "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: Re: crosscompiling for r5k. References: <367FBD86.BEC2F68F@infopact.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <367FBD86.BEC2F68F@infopact.nl>; from Richard Hartensveld on Tue, Dec 22, 1998 at 07:40:54AM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 780 Lines: 23 On Tue, Dec 22, 1998 at 07:40:54AM -0800, Richard Hartensveld wrote: > I'm having problems crosscompiling a kernel for my challenge s (180mhz > R5000). > Is it normal that when you configure for a r5k, gcc uses the > '-mcpu=r8000' option?. Doesn't matter. GCC 2.7.2 only knew about TFP but not R5k. I choose to pass -mcpu=r8000 because for the one optimization where it matters the R8000 was the best match for the R5000. Things would be different if we'd use floating point, but we don't. > When i compile, i get a kernel, only it won't boot. > Some of you have come up with a fix the last time, only i haven't got it > anymore, anyone that > could help ? Did you get trapped by the -N option bug in ld? Just dump that option from CFLAGS in arch/mips/Makefile. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Dec 22 21:45:36 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA33368 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:45:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA88416 for linux-list; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:44:46 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA92858; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:44:44 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA08158; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:44:43 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199812230544.VAA08158@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Status In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Dec 22, 98 10:50:33 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:44:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com, ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, fredrov@hotmail.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1134 Lines: 21 Alex deVries wrote: | On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Greg Chesson wrote: | > I2 means Indigo2. | > Extreme means he has a high-end graphics board. | > The I2 is like the Indy, but has two built-in SCSI channels rather | > than one. It tends to not have all the multi-media stuff on the motherboard | > that you find on the Indy. I have an I2 because - unlike the Indy - | > I can put two XL graphics cards in it and run a two-head display. | > The I2 also allows for an Extreme card and an XL (but not 2 Extreme's). | > Also, can have more memory than an Indy. | | The Indigo2 sounds a lot like a Challenge S; is the internal architecture | similiar to the Indy/Challenge S as well? Yes. Indigo2 came first, then Indy was done as a derivitive of it. Indy left out EISA, and changed to an integrated chip for the serial ports and a couple of other things, as a cost reduction measure. Indy also has only one scsi controller, while indigo2 has two. Challenge S was then done as a derivitive of Indy, with the graphics board replaced by a board with the wd95 scsi controllers, and two GIO slots (only one of which could do DMA). From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Dec 23 09:52:23 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA00780 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:52:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA95500 for linux-list; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:51:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com (xtp.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.34]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA93451; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:51:39 -0800 (PST) mail_from (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id JAA05338; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:51:37 -0800 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9812230951.ZM5336@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:51:36 -0800 In-Reply-To: Alex deVries "Re: Status" (Dec 22, 10:50pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: Alex deVries Subject: Re: Status Cc: Ariel Faigon , Fredrik Rovik , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 622 Lines: 15 Indy, I2, and Challenge-S are all related. Challenge-S is an Indy (small blue box) with the media stuff removed, with basically the same motherboard. I don't know for sure whether it has the extra SCSI channel like the I2. The I2 is a different motherboard in a larger (than Indy) box. Core chipsets are the same. What we need to do is make it easy for Linux to determine what chipsets are attached to the cpu. Bill Earl might have some straightforward answers. I'm in favor of simply publishing the relevant sections of Irix bootstrap code. Perhaps Santa Claus can make a code drop this year. g -- Greg Chesson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Dec 23 11:14:41 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA06462 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:14:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA07396 for linux-list; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:13:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA29104 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA08011 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:13:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21005 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:13:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23181 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:13:47 +0100 (MET) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA10756 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:13:48 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981223201347.A10620@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:13:47 +0100 From: Honza Pazdziora To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Are we going to port RH 5.2? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 838 Lines: 20 Hello, I just thought: are we going to port RH 5.2 to SGI? If I understood Alex well, one of the things that were needed with RH 5.1 was to recompile all the packages. I could leave my Indy booted to Linux over holidays and do the compilation if it has some sense. I probably won't be able to fix serious bugs or develop the installer, but I should be able to recompile the rpms. I understand that to build the whole distribution, there needs to be a person that coordinates the effort. I do not feel like being that person but if I can help, I'm ready to start. Yours, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ Boycott the Czech Telecom -- www.bojkot.cz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Dec 23 12:26:47 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA10685 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:26:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA38570 for linux-list; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:26:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA49132 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:26:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA06096 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:26:02 -0800 (PST) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (lightning.swansea.uk.linux.org [194.168.151.1]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA19708; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:25:12 GMT Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0zsvjc-0007U1C; Wed, 23 Dec 98 21:22 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Are we going to port RH 5.2? To: adelton@informatics.muni.cz (Honza Pazdziora) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:22:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <19981223201347.A10620@aisa.fi.muni.cz> from "Honza Pazdziora" at Dec 23, 98 08:13:47 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 415 Lines: 11 > I just thought: are we going to port RH 5.2 to SGI? If I understood I've done some of it. > holidays and do the compilation if it has some sense. I probably > won't be able to fix serious bugs or develop the installer, but I > should be able to recompile the rpms. Most of the stuff I've done so far is straight forward rebuilding. Ive been producing packages as I get time to kick the indy off and test them From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Dec 23 13:35:02 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA52476 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:35:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA59587 for linux-list; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:33:53 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA79351 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:33:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ReddD@aurorabio.com) Received: from entry.aurorabio.com ([12.9.178.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id NAA02756 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ReddD@aurorabio.com) Received: by entry.aurorabio.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI) for id NAA12860; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:45:55 -0800 Received: from pophost.aurorabio.com(172.20.130.166) by entry via smap (3.1) id xma012791; Wed, 23 Dec 98 13:45:26 -0800 Received: by pophost.aurorabio.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:31:43 -0800 Received: by pophost.aurorabio.com from REDDD2 (172.20.138.233::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:31:42 -0800 Received: by REDDD2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BE2E78.9742E750@REDDD2>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:31:48 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE2E78.9742E750@REDDD2> From: "Doug Redd" To: "'SGI Linux mailing list'" Subject: Linux on O2 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:31:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 333 Lines: 11 Can anyone tell me how far along a port to O2 is and if I can be of any = help? I have a couple of these that are hardly being used sitting = around the office, and would find it interesting to try and get Linux = working on them. Any information is appreciated... // Doug Redd // Aurora Biosciences Corp. // ReddD@aurorabio.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Dec 23 16:57:23 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA38435 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:57:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA49104 for linux-list; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:56:38 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA59159; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:56:36 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA21876; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:56:36 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199812240056.QAA21876@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Linux on O2 To: ReddD@aurorabio.com (Doug Redd) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:56:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <01BE2E78.9742E750@REDDD2> from "Doug Redd" at Dec 23, 98 01:31:46 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1889 Lines: 53 : :Can anyone tell me how far along a port to O2 is and if I can be of any :help? I have a couple of these that are hardly being used sitting :around the office, and would find it interesting to try and get Linux :working on them. : The main effort required to port Linux to the O2 is the drivers for a completely new set of hardware devices: The CRIME (graphics) and MACE (I/O) chips in particular. The (relativley inexpensive) hardware is not the hard part to get, What will be needed is mostly hardware specs and I'm not sure who has access to these and what restrictions are there on them at this point in time. :Any information is appreciated... : At the time we started with the Indy/Linux port management considered the UMA architecture of the O2 too innovative to be widely exposed. With SGI becoming friendlier towards Open Source (see funding Samba, Linux International, freeware.sgi.com, etc.) This may change. I just haven't heard anything official about it yet. Now consider that SGI will be announcing a new Intel based machine (some people asked about it on this forum before) RSN According to the public site: http://www.sgibreakthrough.com/ The launch is on Jan 11, 1999. I have an O2 on my desk and I love it -- but: I would say that since it is an Intel machine and assuming limited resources it would make much more sense to put Linux on that one, rather than on the O2; mainly due to a much wider availability of precompiled and pre-configured software, much larger compatible installed base and potential contributors, better price/perf, a real opportinity to bring high-end 3D graphics to the masses, etc. etc. Of course, SGI employees cannot comment any further on this yet unannounced product ... but it *that* one could be "opened" it would be *really* great (my personal wish). -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Dec 24 07:30:51 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA83681 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:30:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA83318 for linux-list; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:30:05 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA97683 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:30:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA04864 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:30:02 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA29289; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:31:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:31:16 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: kernel build problem. In-Reply-To: <19981223054440.E6183@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 924 Lines: 27 On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > Add -mno-split-addresses to CFLAGS. Your egcs still enables that optimization > by default. Alright. That made it build. Now when I build it and boot that kernel I get in the Command Monitor: Exception: Status register: 0x300004803 Cause register: 0x8008 Exception PC: 0x881385cc, Exception RA: 0x88002614 exception, bad address: 0x47c4 Local I/O interrupt register 1: 0x80 Saved user regs in hex (&gpda 0xa8740e48, &_regs 0xa8741048): arg: 7 8bfff938 8bfffc4d 880025dc tmp: 8818c14c 8818c14c 10 881510c4 14 8bfad9e0 0 48 sve: 8bfdf3e8 8bfffc40 8bfb2720 8bfff938 a8747420 9fc56394 0 9fc56394 t8 48 t9 8bfffee66 at 1 v0 0 v1 8bfff890 k1 bad11bad gp 881dfd90 fp 9fc4be88 sp 8bfff8b8 ra 88002614 PANIC: Unexpected exception I can mail my .config if that helps. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 25 08:22:05 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA62564 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 08:22:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA03999 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 08:21:20 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA44493; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 08:21:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA02148; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 08:21:09 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (pmport-28.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.28]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06952; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:20:51 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA00696; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:05:46 +0100 Message-ID: <19981224190545.A648@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:05:45 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Greg Chesson , Alex deVries Cc: Ariel Faigon , Fredrik Rovik , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Status References: <9812230951.ZM5336@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <9812230951.ZM5336@xtp.engr.sgi.com>; from Greg Chesson on Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 09:51:36AM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 798 Lines: 17 On Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 09:51:36AM -0800, Greg Chesson wrote: > Indy, I2, and Challenge-S are all related. > Challenge-S is an Indy (small blue box) with the media stuff removed, > with basically the same motherboard. I don't know for sure whether > it has the extra SCSI channel like the I2. The I2 is a different > motherboard in a larger (than Indy) box. Core chipsets are the same. > > What we need to do is make it easy for Linux to determine what > chipsets are attached to the cpu. Bill Earl might have some straightforward > answers. I'm in favor of simply publishing the relevant sections > of Irix bootstrap code. Perhaps Santa Claus can make a code drop this year. Isn't that ``Full House'' vs. ``Guiness''? Linux knows that difference since it is running on the Indy. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 25 04:58:24 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA52080 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 04:58:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA34874 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 04:57:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA52586 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 04:57:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id EAA00898 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 04:57:27 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25508; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:57:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05328; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:57:17 +0100 (MET) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13966; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:57:17 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981225135717.A13760@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:57:17 +0100 From: Honza Pazdziora To: Dave Babcock , Honza Pazdziora Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Are we going to port RH 5.2? References: <19981223201347.A10620@aisa.fi.muni.cz> <36814203.6C516B88@sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36814203.6C516B88@sgi.com>; from Dave Babcock on Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 11:18:27AM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1170 Lines: 28 > > What was your secret to getting SGI/Linux on your Indy? It was quite straightforward. > I've been trying to do it for several days but with no luck. The online > instructions give directions for using another IA32 linux box which I've > tried adapting to use my second Indy running 6.5. I'm sure that's where > the problem is but don't know the "secret incantation" to make it work. > > Any help or pointers would be appreciated. OK, start with telling us what steps from the installation instructions (I assume you are going by http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/) you did, how you did them and where did the results start to differ from what you expected. For debugging during the initiation phase, I recommend to have tcpdump at hand so that you can check if the packets are running the way they should. [CC'ed back to linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, so that the others could comment as well.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ Boycott the Czech Telecom -- www.bojkot.cz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 25 05:44:13 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA54419 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 05:44:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA61191 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 05:43:33 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA30053 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 05:43:25 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id FAA05645 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 05:43:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26052; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:43:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06085; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:43:11 +0100 (MET) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15222; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:43:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981225144311.B15081@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:43:11 +0100 From: Honza Pazdziora To: Alan Cox , Honza Pazdziora Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Are we going to port RH 5.2? References: <19981223201347.A10620@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Alan Cox on Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 09:22:23PM +0000 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 528 Lines: 11 > > Most of the stuff I've done so far is straight forward rebuilding. Ive > been producing packages as I get time to kick the indy off and test them OK, shall we create ftp://www.linux.sgi.com/pub/redhat/redhat-5.2 and start putting recompiled "updates" there? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ Boycott the Czech Telecom -- www.bojkot.cz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 25 16:36:26 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA87729 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:36:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA17956 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:35:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA31204 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:35:38 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA04608 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:35:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (pmport-07.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.7]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10818 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 01:35:34 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA05352; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:14:41 +0100 Message-ID: <19981225181440.C4641@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:14:40 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Alex deVries Cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: kernel build problem. References: <19981223054440.E6183@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Thu, Dec 24, 1998 at 10:31:16AM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2162 Lines: 59 On Thu, Dec 24, 1998 at 10:31:16AM -0500, Alex deVries wrote: > On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > Add -mno-split-addresses to CFLAGS. Your egcs still enables that optimization > > by default. > > Alright. That made it build. > > Now when I build it and boot that kernel I get in the Command Monitor: > > Exception: > Status register: 0x300004803 > Cause register: 0x8008 > Exception PC: 0x881385cc, Exception RA: 0x88002614 > exception, bad address: 0x47c4 > Local I/O interrupt register 1: 0x80 > Saved user regs in hex (&gpda 0xa8740e48, &_regs 0xa8741048): > arg: 7 8bfff938 8bfffc4d 880025dc > tmp: 8818c14c 8818c14c 10 881510c4 14 8bfad9e0 0 48 > sve: 8bfdf3e8 8bfffc40 8bfb2720 8bfff938 a8747420 9fc56394 0 9fc56394 > t8 48 t9 8bfffee66 at 1 v0 0 v1 8bfff890 k1 bad11bad > gp 881dfd90 fp 9fc4be88 sp 8bfff8b8 ra 88002614 > > PANIC: Unexpected exception >clickety faq< [...] 5.2. Self compiled kernels crash when booting. When I build my own kernel and it crashes. On an Indy the crash message looks like the following but the same problem hits other machines as well and there what happens may look completly different. Exception: Status register: 0x300004803 Cause register: 0x8008 Exception PC: 0x881385cc, Exception RA: 0x88002614 exception, bad address: 0x47c4 Local I/O interrupt register 1: 0x80 Saved user regs in hex (&gpda 0xa8740e48, &_regs 0xa8741048): arg: 7 8bfff938 8bfffc4d 880025dc tmp: 8818c14c 8818c14c 10 881510c4 14 8bfad9e0 0 48 sve: 8bfdf3e8 8bfffc40 8bfb2720 8bfff938 a8747420 9fc56394 0 9fc56394 t8 48 t9 8bfffee66 at 1 v0 0 v1 8bfff890 k1 bad11bad gp 881dfd90 fp 9fc4be88 sp 8bfff8b8 ra 88002614 PANIC: Unexpected exception This problem is caused by a still unfixed bug in Binutils newer than version 2.7. As a workaround, remove the -N flags from LDFLAGS in arch/mips/Makefile and relink the kernel. [...] Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 25 16:39:20 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA86865 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:39:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA93909 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:39:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA29242 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:39:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA00982 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:37:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (pmport-07.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.7]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA11672 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 01:37:46 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA05965; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:28:30 +0100 Message-ID: <19981225212830.A5953@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:28:30 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Anand Natarajasundaram , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Help... Linux on MIPS. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <19981224042617.21150.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Anand Natarajasundaram on Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 08:26:16PM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2394 Lines: 63 On Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 08:26:16PM -0800, Anand Natarajasundaram wrote: > I have a R5000 Compact PCI board. I intend to do a Linux port on it. > I have downloaded Linux-2.1.36. Please don't use that kernel. Below are instructions how to get current sources (2.1.121) from CVS which will be a _much_ more satisfying experience. > Most of the MIPS machine except DECstations use the ARC firmware. I > have a firmware running on my board. I plan to use it to boot Linux. > > I have some queries : > > 1) How is the boot sequence from Power On to 'kernel_entry' happens on > a DECstation or Indy Box ? What the firmware does is about - self test - hardware initialization - execute whatever boot default action is specified like for example loading Linux. The general philosophy is to touch or rely on the firmware is little as possible. While there are nice firmware implementations out there like Algorithmics' PMON, some ARC implementations have been found to be very buggy; also the different firmware implementations are very different from each other. > 2) It seems Linux uses the ARCS PROMBLOCK structure for ROM > facilities. Is this the only info needed for interfacing the firmware > with Linux ? What are the issues required to handle while interfacing > Linux with a firware. There is no fundamental necessity for Linux to somehow be interfaces with a firmware. On an Indy we only use the firmware to detect the available memory areas and the Ethernet hardware address. You can as well implement this by quering a non-ARC firmware, the hardware or by hardware as appropriate for your platform. As all this code is platform specific you can hide is somewhere in arch/mips//. > 3) Is there a clear document describing these issues ? The source is with you, Luke ... >snip< 4.2. Anonymous CVS servers. For those who always want to stay on the bleeding edge and want to avoid having to download patch files or full tarballs we also have an anonymous CVS server. Using CVS you can checkout the Linux/MIPS source tree with the following commands: cvs -d :pserver:cvs@linus.linux.sgi.com:/cvs login (Only needed the first time you use anonymous CVS, the password is "cvs") cvs -d :pserver:cvs@linus.linux.sgi.com:/cvs co where you insert linux, libc, or gdb for . >snap< Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Dec 25 20:08:30 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA98440 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:08:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA76094 for linux-list; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:07:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA69090 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:07:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id UAA05955 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:07:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA24684; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:08:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:08:01 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: kernel build problem. In-Reply-To: <19981225181440.C4641@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 520 Lines: 24 On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > This problem is caused by a still unfixed bug in Binutils newer than > version 2.7. As a workaround, remove the -N flags from LDFLAGS in > arch/mips/Makefile and relink the kernel. > [...] I should know that, seeing as how I've complained about it about 10,000 times. Sorry. However, that last sentence should read: As a workaround, change the following line in arch/mips/Makefile from: LINKFLAGS = -static -N to: LINKFLAGS = -static - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Dec 27 02:05:45 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA90538 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:05:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA98568 for linux-list; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:05:02 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA14433 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:05:00 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from smtp1.casema.net (sun4000.casema.net [195.96.96.97]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA08652 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:04:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from infopact.nl (9dyn196.breda.casema.net [195.96.116.196]) by smtp1.casema.net (8.9.1/CASEMA) with ESMTP id LAA13042 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:04:53 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:04:53 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36860751.B3725CD@infopact.nl> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:09:21 -0800 From: Richard Hartensveld X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: return of the console on serial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 342 Lines: 18 Hi, Compilation is all going well now, and when i boot my new kernel, it says: 'console is ttyS0' (or ttyS1, that depends on the boot option) But doesn't do anything with it it seems. i'm still getting the 'unable to open initial console', which should be the terminal on the serial port. Is this not supported yet?? Cheers, Richard From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Dec 27 17:35:41 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA38802 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:35:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA77176 for linux-list; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:34:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA59685 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:34:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id RAA04668 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:34:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (pmport-14.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.14]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA08590 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:34:46 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA28349; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:34:04 +0100 Message-ID: <19981228023404.H5905@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:34:04 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Richard Hartensveld , "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: Re: return of the console on serial References: <36860751.B3725CD@infopact.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <36860751.B3725CD@infopact.nl>; from Richard Hartensveld on Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 02:09:21AM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1003 Lines: 28 On Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 02:09:21AM -0800, Richard Hartensveld wrote: > Compilation is all going well now, and when i boot my new kernel, it > says: > > 'console is ttyS0' (or ttyS1, that depends on the boot option) > > But doesn't do anything with it it seems. > > i'm still getting the 'unable to open initial console', which should be > the terminal on the serial port. Is this not supported yet?? [...] 5.1. NFS booting fails. Usually the reason for this is that people used unpacked the tar archive under IRIX, not Linux. Since the representation of device files over NFS is not standardized between various Unices this fails. The sympthom is that the system dies with the error message ,,Warning: unable to open an initial console.'' right after mounting the NFS filesystem. For now the workaround is to use a Linux system (doesn't need to be a MIPS) to unpack the installation archive onto the NFS server. The NFS server itself may be any type of UNIX. [...] Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Dec 27 18:34:08 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA25753 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:34:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA71081 for linux-list; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:33:14 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.141]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA84639; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:33:09 -0800 (PST) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA18705; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:32:31 -0800 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:32:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199812280232.SAA18705@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: Greg Chesson , Alex deVries , Ariel Faigon , Fredrik Rovik , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Status In-Reply-To: <19981224190545.A648@uni-koblenz.de> References: <9812230951.ZM5336@xtp.engr.sgi.com> <19981224190545.A648@uni-koblenz.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 851 Lines: 17 ralf@uni-koblenz.de writes: ... > > What we need to do is make it easy for Linux to determine what > > chipsets are attached to the cpu. Bill Earl might have some straightforward > > answers. I'm in favor of simply publishing the relevant sections > > of Irix bootstrap code. Perhaps Santa Claus can make a code drop this year. > > Isn't that ``Full House'' vs. ``Guiness''? Linux knows that difference since > it is running on the Indy. The basic difference is between "FullHouse" (Indigo2) and "Guinness" (Indy). Beyond that, there are smaller differences between Indy and Challenge S. Challenge S does have an extra SCSI channel, but the configuration is not identical to Indigo2. (I will look into that later.) I am still working on an agreement to release more technical information about a variety of our systems. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Dec 30 01:03:26 1998 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA30810 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:03:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA37377 for linux-list; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:02:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA29134; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:02:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA39135; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:02:29 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199812300902.BAA39135@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: [fwd] Indy for sale To: crum@dev-group.com (Daniel Kozan) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:02:29 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) In-Reply-To: <19981225140301.A15215@piggy.zephtar> from "Daniel Kozan" at Dec 25, 98 02:03:01 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1347 Lines: 44 [Forwarding to the Linux mailing list. Anyone interested, please feel free to contact Daniel directly] : :Hi Ariel, : :I got an Indy a few weeks ago, but it really hasn't been too useful :to me because I don't have a monitor for it. I'm not directly interested :in helping SGI/Linux. If you get someone asking for the donation of an :Indy, you can let them know that I've got one for sale for a good price. :If it's going to a developer, I'll let it go for $650 US. : :(revolver)hinv :Iris Audio Processor: version A2 revision 4.1.0 :1 133 MHZ IP22 Processor :FPU: MIPS R4600 Floating Point Coprocessor Revision: 2.0 :CPU: MIPS R4600 Processor Chip Revision: 2.0 :On-board serial ports: 2 :On-board bi-directional parallel port :Data cache size: 16 Kbytes :Instruction cache size: 16 Kbytes :Main memory size: 64 Mbytes :Vino video: unit 0, revision 0, IndyCam connected :Integral ISDN: Basic Rate Interface unit 0, revision 1.0 :Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1 :Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision D : Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 :Graphics board: Indy 24-bit : : :R4600PC 133MHz, 64MB RAM, 1GB disk, XL gfx, IndyCam/Keyboard/Mouse. All :original and in perfect condition. : :A small sacrifice for the good of Linux. This system does nothing but :elevate my PC monitor. : :Thanks, :Daniel : -- Peace, Ariel