From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 2 10:34:46 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA85695 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:34:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA99549 for linux-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:34:05 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA07986 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:34:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA09849 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:34:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02234 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.0) with ESMTP id F4Y3KG00.VDN for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:33:52 -0800 Message-ID: <368E66DC.15C986F2@netscape.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 13:35:08 -0500 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Just Another Snake Cult X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.131 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: EFS volume descriptors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 328 Lines: 10 On an EFS CDROM, there's a volume descriptor at block 0. On an EFS partition, there's a superblock at block 1. I'd like my all-new code to handle both cases, so I'm wondering what's at block 0 of an EFS partition. Is it something that I can reliably check to see if I'm mounting a partition or CD? Mike -- 7734.79 7103.32 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 2 10:54:57 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA86206 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:54:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA06870 for linux-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:54:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA78874 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:53:59 -0800 (PST) mail_from (davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com) Received: from dm.cobaltmicro.com (dm.cobaltmicro.com [209.133.34.35]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA03702 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:53:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com) Received: (from davem@localhost) by dm.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA07779; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:50:01 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:50:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199901021850.KAA07779@dm.cobaltmicro.com> From: "David S. Miller" To: shaver@netscape.com CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <368E66DC.15C986F2@netscape.com> (message from Mike Shaver on Sat, 02 Jan 1999 13:35:08 -0500) Subject: Re: EFS volume descriptors References: <368E66DC.15C986F2@netscape.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 125 Lines: 7 Have a look at /usr/include/sys/dvh.h on an IRIX system for enlightenment. Later, David S. Miller davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 2 11:07:40 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA87280 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:07:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA11305 for linux-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:06:59 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA82174 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:06:57 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA09795 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:06:57 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15102 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.0) with ESMTP id F4Y53J00.HDE; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:06:55 -0800 Message-ID: <368E6E9C.E286AAEB@netscape.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 14:08:12 -0500 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Just Another Snake Cult X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.131 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David S. Miller" CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: EFS volume descriptors References: <368E66DC.15C986F2@netscape.com> <199901021850.KAA07779@dm.cobaltmicro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 545 Lines: 15 "David S. Miller" wrote: > Have a look at /usr/include/sys/dvh.h on an IRIX system for > enlightenment. I took a look there before (and again as well), but it didn't leave me feeling confident about partitions. Everything in there seems to talk about the first block of the device, which I took to be /dev/sda rather than /dev/sda1 (say). When people are mounting the CDROM, they'll be mounting the ``whole'' device, so block 0 is full of voldesc goodness; what's in block 0 of an EFS partition? A dummy voldesc? Mike -- 10073.24 9299.81 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 3 14:17:49 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA73585 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:17:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA94801 for linux-list; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:16:34 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA88663; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:16:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA36969; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:16:31 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901032216.OAA36969@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: EFS volume descriptors In-Reply-To: <368E66DC.15C986F2@netscape.com> from Mike Shaver at "Jan 2, 99 01:35:08 pm" To: shaver@netscape.com (Mike Shaver) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:16:31 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 612 Lines: 13 Mike Shaver wrote: | On an EFS CDROM, there's a volume descriptor at block 0. On an EFS | partition, there's a superblock at block 1. I'd like my all-new code to | handle both cases, so I'm wondering what's at block 0 of an EFS | partition. Is it something that I can reliably check to see if I'm | mounting a partition or CD? Nothing is at block 0 of the filesystem. Historically, back to v6 unix, there were things like badblock tables there, so many filesystems for unix have simply not used block 0. efs does not use it. Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 3 14:20:14 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA73748 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:20:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA05217 for linux-list; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:19:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA62808 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:19:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA00867 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:19:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06476 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:19:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.0) with ESMTP id F508P000.LEY; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:19:48 -0800 Message-ID: <368FED40.12D7952E@netscape.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:20:48 -0500 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Just Another Snake Cult X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.131 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Olson CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: EFS volume descriptors References: <199901032216.OAA36969@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 470 Lines: 14 Dave Olson wrote: > Nothing is at block 0 of the filesystem. Historically, back to v6 > unix, there were things like badblock tables there, so many filesystems > for unix have simply not used block 0. efs does not use it. Drat. So do I need the user to tell me if it's an EFS CD vs. an EFS partition, so that I know to use the voldesc or not? I guess I could register a second fstype ("efscd" or some such) and make the user use that. Mike -- 108334.35 92988.48 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 3 14:23:48 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA73731 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:23:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA56055 for linux-list; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:22:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA33221; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:22:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA25109; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:22:55 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901032222.OAA25109@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: EFS volume descriptors In-Reply-To: <368FED40.12D7952E@netscape.com> from Mike Shaver at "Jan 3, 99 05:20:48 pm" To: shaver@netscape.com (Mike Shaver) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:22:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1059 Lines: 24 Mike Shaver wrote: | Dave Olson wrote: | > Nothing is at block 0 of the filesystem. Historically, back to v6 | > unix, there were things like badblock tables there, so many filesystems | > for unix have simply not used block 0. efs does not use it. | | Drat. So do I need the user to tell me if it's an EFS CD vs. an EFS | partition, so that I know to use the voldesc or not? I guess I could | register a second fstype ("efscd" or some such) and make the user use | that. Look at block 0 on the disk ("absolute" block 0), and use the magic number to see if it's an sgi volume. If it is, for each partition other than 8 and 10, check to see if block 1 is an EFS superblock. That's the only possible way. For almost all (but not all!) efs CD's, there will only be partition 7,8,10, so you can just check partition 7, if you want to be lazy. And of course, it's possible to have hybrid iso9660 and sgi/efs CD's as well, so you might still want to check for iso9660. Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 3 14:29:47 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA65894 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:29:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA54402 for linux-list; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:28:39 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA46053 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:28:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA00816 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:28:36 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22590 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.0) with ESMTP id F5093N00.5EU; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:28:35 -0800 Message-ID: <368FEF50.22B8170@netscape.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:29:36 -0500 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Just Another Snake Cult X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.131 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Olson CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: EFS volume descriptors References: <199901032222.OAA25109@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 450 Lines: 14 Dave Olson wrote: > Look at block 0 on the disk ("absolute" block 0), and use the magic > number to see if it's an sgi volume. If it is, for each partition > other than 8 and 10, check to see if block 1 is an EFS superblock. > That's the only possible way. For almost all (but not all!) efs > CD's, there will only be partition 7,8,10, so you can just check > partition 7, if you want to be lazy. Excellent! Thanks. Mike -- 108908.71 93516.45 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 3 16:23:33 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA79850 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:23:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA77085 for linux-list; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:22:08 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA03498 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:22:02 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA06243 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:22:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA06435; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:23:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:23:58 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: "[Eazy|E]" cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: SGI Linux HardHat 5.1 Install problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 762 Lines: 27 On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, [Eazy|E] wrote: > VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesysmte). > Adv: done running setup() > Freeing unused kernel memory: 44k freed > Warning: unable to open an initial console. > > I'm using SGI Indy R3000 and I dont have a clue what's going wrong, can > You help me please with that, because I'd really like to have Linux > running on my SGI which is in school and I admin it. Alright. The first thing is that it can't possibly be an R3000 CPU, it's an R4x00 or R5000. The 'unable to open console' means that the kernel doesn't have access to a root filesystem; that's likely a problem with your NFS server. How do you have your root install fs exported? - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 3 21:37:44 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA95704 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:37:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA84674 for linux-list; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:36:42 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA45850 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:36:40 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA52870 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:36:40 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199901040536.VAA52870@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: [fwd] Re: SGI Linux HardHat 5.1 Install problems To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:36:39 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1576 Lines: 56 [Forwarding bounced message from: "[Eazy|E]" which isn't apparently subscribed with this exact address.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Alright. The first thing is that it can't possibly be an R3000 CPU, it's > an R4x00 or R5000. Oppps, my bad, it's: System : IP22 Processor: 100 Mhz R4600 with FPU > > The 'unable to open console' means that the kernel doesn't have access to > a root filesystem; that's likely a problem with your NFS server. > > How do you have your root install fs exported? /etc/exports looks that way : /usr/SGILinux 192.168.1.2 (no_root_squash, rw) And this is what dir /usr/SGILinux contains: [SU-root@sniper:/usr/SGILinux]# ls COPYING RedHat doc lib modules usr CREDITS TRANS.TBL dosutils linuxrc proc var PGP_KEY bin etc misc sbin vmlinux README dev images mnt tmp [SU-root@sniper:/usr/SGILinux]# I dunno, it prolly wants to run linuxrc which is simb. linked to sbin/initrd, but why doesnt it work ? Thanks in advance, Later. - -- .---|=====| [eD-EPiC]&[eD] |======|---. | [Eazy|E] @ IRCNET,EFNET,TAIN | |=| WoRD of ThE DaY -> [eD] <- |=| | e-mail: sniper@kibla.org | || ->SpREAD ThE WoRD<- || `---|=====| Rogue Core |======|---' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNpARNK6mKYH+3vCKEQLMmwCdFm1GswcPEz1WTuzBmUSSdy0s+xQAn1wF yPm2w5QqyHACzCakJdAKufkM =zOwV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 4 08:41:15 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA54129 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:41:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA79638 for linux-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:39:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA69149 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:39:38 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA01166 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:39:27 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from eddie (ralf@eddie.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.17]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA08905; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:39:12 +0100 (MET) Received: by eddie (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id RAA15300; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:39:08 +0100 Message-ID: <19990104173908.37809@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:39:08 +0100 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: CVS commit of 2.1.131/MIPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 548 Lines: 11 I had a CVS-crash during my yesterday attempt of commiting Linux patches upto 2.1.131 into the CVS. As a result both my working copy and the CVS archive ended up in an ``interesting'' state. This should be fixed by now; everobody who did a checkout / upgrade during the last about 24h should now run a ``cvs update -d -P''. Sorry for the hazzle. The G364 driver for the Magnum 4000 will need an update as the low level interface for frame buffer drivers has changed, so at this time the ports for Olivetti M700 / Magnum 4000 is broken. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 7 14:08:38 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA30042 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:08:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA83209 for linux-list; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:07:08 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA67534 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:07:05 -0800 (PST) mail_from (billc@netcommunity.com) Received: from ns1.netcommunity.com (ns1.netcommunity.com [198.212.27.192]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA04577 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:07:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (billc@netcommunity.com) Received: from netcommunity.com ([149.174.154.165]) by ns1.netcommunity.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA26092 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:02:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3695312F.E6260C7A@netcommunity.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:11:59 -0500 From: "Bill Chatfield" Organization: Internet Media Properties X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SGI Linux Mailing List Subject: Install Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1416 Lines: 33 Is anyone still working on the SGI/Linux port? I'm trying to get SGI/Linux (Hard Hat 5.1) working on an Indy. I've followed all the instructions very carefully. The kernel booted and ran correctly for the install, but when I rebooted after the install, the system doesn't come up correctly. I've been through the mailing list archive and couldn't find something similiar to the problem I'm having. So, I'm hoping someone can help me out. The kernel seems to boot mostly, but I think the console gets stuck and stops scrolling so I can't see what is happening. The reason that I think this is because it just stops printing anything to the console, but the machine comes up well enough to ping it. Telet and ftp to the machine result in a connection refused error. I've tried to run the install process again so I can get a working kernel so I can mount my hard disk to see what the problem might be, but I can't figure out how to get the disk mounted from another virtual console during the install process. 'mount' is not available. The virtual consoles don't seem to work right because they don't scroll, so you can only see the first screen of text. I'd really like to get this working. If I can, I've got two other Indys and two Challenge S servers that I'd like to try it on. I'd appreciate anything you can suggest... Thanks! -- Bill Chatfield Internet Media Properties billc@netcommunity.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 8 21:30:11 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA75736 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:30:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA43446 for linux-list; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:29:26 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from interceptor.dallas.sgi.com (interceptor.dallas.sgi.com [169.238.83.8]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id VAA43292 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:29:24 -0800 (PST) mail_from (chad@interceptor.dallas.sgi.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by interceptor.dallas.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA07697 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:29:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:29:22 -0600 From: chad@interceptor.dallas.sgi.com (Chad Carlin) Message-Id: <9901082329.ZM7695@interceptor.dallas.sgi.com> X-Face: P(s*X,{I4`'Goul%w"/z0O?@)\1V_OVBwR&fS|G#K6Y0T!_p$OBn7zt]eI*qFZjoi%q>:f8z$'~+kK<3@uFL n]WY@:QD7 X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: boot vmlinux trouble Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 6112 Lines: 149 Sorry this is a little long but I thought it would be best to give you as much information as I could. Thanks in advance. Chad It appears that I am getting the kernel to boot OK. It seems that I am having problems with NFS. Can you tell from this info what might be wrong with my config. >> boot bootp():vmlinux 130768+22320+3184+341792+48560d+4604+6816 entry: 0x8bfa60d0 Obtaining vmlinux from server marvin2 PROMLIB: SGI ARCS firmware Version 1 Revision 10 PROMLIB: Total free ram 65814528 bytes (64272K,62MB) ARCH: SGI-IP22 CPU: MIPS-R4400 FPU ICACHE DCACHE SCACHE Loading R4000 MMU routines. CPU revision is: 00000460 Primary instruction cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes) Primary data cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes) Secondary cache sized at 1024K linesize 128 Linux version 2.1.100 (root@alex3.med.iacnet.com) (gcc version 2.7.2) #29 Thu Jul 9 22:19:39 EDT 1998 MC: SGI memory controller Revision 3 calculating r4koff... 000f443e(1000510) zs0: console input zs0: console I/O Calibrating delay loop... 99.94 BogoMIPS Memory: 60364k/196116k available (1216k kernel code, 2684k data) Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 for Linux 2.1 NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.16 for Linux NET3.038. Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.037 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP Checking for 'wait' instruction... unavailable. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Starting kswapd v 1.5 Adv: about to run setup() SGI Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00 tty00 at 0xbfbd9838 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 tty01 at 0xbfbd9830 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size loop: registered device at major 7 WD93: Driver version 1.25 compiled on Jul 7 1998 at 16:59:57 debug_flags=0x00 wd33c93-0: chip=WD33c93B/13 no_sync=0xff no_dma=0scsi0 : SGI WD93 scsi : 1 host. sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: IBM Model: DCAS-32160 Rev: S65A Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: SGI Model: SEAGATE ST31200N Rev: 9278 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 scsi : detected 2 SCSI disks total. SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 4226725 [2063 MB] [2.1 GB] SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 2077833 [1014 MB] [1.0 GB] sgiseeq.c: David S. Miller (dm@engr.sgi.com) eth0: SGI Seeq8003 08:00:69:07:9b:35 Sending BOOTP requests.... OK IP-Config: Got BOOTP answer from 169.238.83.43, my address is 169.238.83.19 IP-Config: Cannot add default route (-22). Partition check: sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 Looking up port of RPC 100003/2 on 169.238.83.43 RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 portmap: server 169.238.83.43 not responding, timed out Root-NFS: Unable to get nfsd port number from server, using default Looking up port of RPC 100005/1 on 169.238.83.43 RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 portmap: server 169.238.83.43 not responding, timed out Root-NFS: Unable to get mountd port number from server, using default RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 RPC: sendmsg returned error 128 mount: server 169.238.83.43 not responding, timed out Root-NFS: Server returned error -5 while mounting /tftpboot/ VFS: Unable to mount root fs via NFS, trying floppy. VFS: Cannot open root device 02:00 Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 02:00 Other config info: I'm using another Indy (marvin2) for the bootp/tftp/NFS server. My Indy for Linux is called argo. hosts: 169.238.83.19 argo 169.238.83.43 marvin2 /etc/exports: /dist/linux -rw,32bitclients /etc/inetd.conf: tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/etc/tftpd tftpd -l bootp dgram udp wait root /usr/etc/bootp bootp -d /etc/bootptab: marvin2 1 08:00:69:0A:D5:44 169.238.83.43 vmlinux argo 1 08:00:69:07:9b:35 169.238.83.19 vmlinux Server SYSLOG output: Jan 8 21:06:34 7D:marvin2 bootp[15713]: starting at Fri Jan 8 21:06:34 1999 Jan 8 21:06:34 7D:marvin2 bootp[15713]: (re)reading /etc/bootptab Jan 8 21:06:34 6D:marvin2 bootp[15713]: reply to argo: boot file /dist/linux/mipseb/vmlinux Jan 8 21:06:34 7D:marvin2 bootp[15713]: reply to client (ciaddr) 169.238.83.19 Jan 8 21:06:34 6D:marvin2 tftpd[4082]: argo: read request for /dist/linux/mipseb/vmlinux: success Jan 8 21:06:42 6D:marvin2 bootp[15713]: reply to argo: boot file /dist/linux/mipseb/vmlinux Jan 8 21:06:42 7D:marvin2 bootp[15713]: reply that IP address (yiaddr) is 169.238.83.19 Portmap info: marvin2:chad 118 # rpcinfo -t marvin2 100005 program 100005 version 1 ready and waiting rpcinfo: Program/version mismatch; low version = 1, high version = 3 program 100005 version 2 is not available program 100005 version 3 ready and waiting marvin2:chad 120 # rpcinfo -t marvin2 100003 program 100003 version 2 ready and waiting program 100003 version 3 ready and waiting marvin2:chad 122 # rpcinfo -p marvin2 | grep 100005 100005 1 tcp 1024 mountd 100005 3 tcp 1024 mountd 100005 1 udp 1026 mountd 100005 3 udp 1026 mountd marvin2:chad 115 # rpcinfo -p marvin2 | grep 100003 100003 2 udp 2049 nfs 100003 3 udp 2049 nfs 100003 2 tcp 2049 nfs 100003 3 tcp 2049 nfs -- ----------------------------------------------------- Chad Carlin Special Systems Silicon Graphics Inc. 972.205.5911 Pager 888.754.1597 VMail 800.414.7994 X5344 chad@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/chad ----------------------------------------------------- "His favorite Porsche was never the last. It was always the next" Said of Dr. Ferdinand Porsche From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 9 11:22:54 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA22994 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:22:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA16720 for linux-list; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:22:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgidal.dallas.sgi.com (sgidal.dallas.sgi.com [169.238.80.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA18822 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:22:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (chad@sgidal.dallas.sgi.com) Received: from dallas.sgi.com by sgidal.dallas.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id NAA02460; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:22:09 -0600 Message-ID: <3697AC60.90A11C2E@dallas.sgi.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 13:22:08 -0600 From: Chad Carlin Reply-To: chad@sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robin Humble , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Still boot vmlinux trouble References: <199901090724.SAA15752@pixel.maths.monash.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 4303 Lines: 107 Thanks Robin, You were right about the device files by the way. They were all josed. Here's what they look like now: marvin2:chad 200 # ls -l /dist/linux/mipseb/dev total 0 crw------- 1 root sys 4, 0 Jan 9 12:31 console crw-rw-rw- 1 root sys 1, 3 Jan 9 12:31 null brw-r----- 1 root 6 1, 1 Jan 9 12:32 ram crw------- 1 root sys 4, 0 Jan 9 12:33 systty crw------- 1 root sys 4, 1 Jan 9 12:33 tty1 crw------- 1 root sys 4, 2 Jan 9 12:33 tty2 crw------- 1 root sys 4, 3 Jan 9 12:33 tty3 crw------- 1 root sys 4, 4 Jan 9 12:34 tty4 crw------- 1 root sys 4, 5 Jan 9 12:34 tty5 *(When you said /dev/ in you email I assumed you meant on my linux distribution and not the actual /dev being used by my nfs server. Now to the problem. I believe the problem is the "Warning: unable to open an initial console." error message. Any ideas? >> boot bootp()169.238.83.43:vmlinux nfsroot=169.238.83.43:/dist/linux/mipseb nfsaddrs=::8.0.69.a.d5.44:0xffffff80:marvin2:: 130768+22320+3184+341792+48560d+4604+6816 entry: 0x8bfa60d0 Obtaining vmlinux from server 169.238.83.43 PROMLIB: SGI ARCS firmware Version 1 Revision 10 PROMLIB: Total free ram 65814528 bytes (64272K,62MB) ARCH: SGI-IP22 CPU: MIPS-R4400 FPU ICACHE DCACHE SCACHE Loading R4000 MMU routines. CPU revision is: 00000460 Primary instruction cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes) Primary data cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes) Secondary cache sized at 1024K linesize 128 Linux version 2.1.100 (root@alex3.med.iacnet.com) (gcc version 2.7.2) #29 Thu Jul 9 22:19:39 EDT 1998 MC: SGI memory controller Revision 3 calculating r4koff... 000f436e(1000302) zs0: console input zs0: console I/O Calibrating delay loop... 99.94 BogoMIPS Memory: 60364k/196116k available (1216k kernel code, 2684k data) Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 for Linux 2.1 NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.16 for Linux NET3.038. Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.037 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP Checking for 'wait' instruction... unavailable. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Starting kswapd v 1.5 Adv: about to run setup() SGI Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00 tty00 at 0xbfbd9838 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 tty01 at 0xbfbd9830 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size loop: registered device at major 7 WD93: Driver version 1.25 compiled on Jul 7 1998 at 16:59:57 debug_flags=0x00 wd33c93-0: chip=WD33c93B/13 no_sync=0xff no_dma=0scsi0 : SGI WD93 scsi : 1 host. sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: IBM Model: DCAS-32160 Rev: S65A Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: SGI Model: SEAGATE ST31200N Rev: 9278 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 scsi : detected 2 SCSI disks total. SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 4226725 [2063 MB] [2.1 GB] SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 2077833 [1014 MB] [1.0 GB] sgiseeq.c: David S. Miller (dm@engr.sgi.com) eth0: SGI Seeq8003 08:00:69:07:9b:35 Sending BOOTP requests.... OK IP-Config: Got BOOTP answer from 169.238.83.43, my address is 169.238.83.19 IP-Config: Gateway not on directly connected network. Partition check: sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 Looking up port of RPC 100003/2 on 169.238.83.43 Looking up port of RPC 100005/1 on 169.238.83.43 VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem). Adv: done running setup() Freeing unused kernel memory: 44k freed Warning: unable to open an initial console. page fault from irq handler: 0000 $0 : 00000000 88180000 0000062d 00000000 $4 : 00000000 1004fc00 00000000 00000000 $8 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000cc9 $12: 367e8b11 8bf30864 8bf30800 00000000 $16: 8bf41000 8bf2c0e0 0000062d 881523c8 $20: abf41040 bfb94000 00000000 bfbd4000 $24: 00000000 8bf5fb58 $28: 88008000 88009d90 0000000e 880e3f38 epc : 880e3e74 Status: 1004fc02 Cause : 00000008 Aiee, killing interrupt handler Kernel panic: Attempted to kill the idle task! In swapper task - not syncing Thanks again From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 9 16:34:46 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA40006 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:34:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA89446 for linux-list; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:34:07 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA88602 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:34:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA05973 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:34:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (pmport-02.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.2]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01938 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:34:01 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA03671; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:23:44 +0100 Message-ID: <19990110012343.E3254@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:23:43 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Chad Carlin , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: boot vmlinux trouble References: <9901082329.ZM7695@interceptor.dallas.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <9901082329.ZM7695@interceptor.dallas.sgi.com>; from Chad Carlin on Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 11:29:22PM -0600 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 447 Lines: 15 On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 11:29:22PM -0600, Chad Carlin wrote: > Linux version 2.1.100 (root@alex3.med.iacnet.com) (gcc version 2.7.2) #29 Thu Jul 9 22:19:39 EDT 1998 [...] > IP-Config: Got BOOTP answer from 169.238.83.43, my address is 169.238.83.19 > IP-Config: Cannot add default route (-22). [...] As I remember NFS root was broken in 2.1.100. .100 is dark history anyway, maybe Alex can provide a newer kernel for HardHat anyway? Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 10 08:42:11 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA82644 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:42:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA91490 for linux-list; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:41:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA91271 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:41:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (sgi.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA06343 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:35:09 -0800 (PST) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:34:55 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0zzNpB-002PWBC; Sun, 10 Jan 99 17:34 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA02088; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:22:59 +0100 Message-ID: <19990110172259.A2057@alpha.franken.de> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:22:59 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Cc: ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se Subject: Unused memory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1036 Lines: 24 Hi, maybe some of you might remember Ulf Carlsson's test program, which allocates memory in a loop until it gets an error from malloc(). This program failed on his Indy long before the machine was really out of memory. I now know the reason for this. Before giving out memory via brk() the kernel checks, whether there is enough memory. The kernel holds back (2 + page_cache.min_percent + buffer_mem.min_pecent) percent of the available memory (see function vm_enough_memory() in mm/mmap.c). Problem on the Indy is, that num_physpages is wrong by 128MB, because we account the memory by only looking at the highest page number and forget about holes in the memory map. And the Indy has a big hole between 0x80002000 and 0x88002000 ... Right now I can't think of a good fix for this problem. Any ideas ? Thomas. -- This device has completely bogus header. Compaq scores again :-| It's a host bridge, but it should be called ghost bridge instead ;^) [Martin `MJ' Mares on linux-kernel] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 10 16:37:51 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA13950 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:37:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA92304 for linux-list; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:37:05 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA93050 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:37:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA02697 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:36:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (pmport-03.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.3]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA08122 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:55:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA32395; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:48:48 +0100 Message-ID: <19990111004848.C18917@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:48:48 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Thomas Bogendoerfer Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Unused memory References: <19990110172259.A2057@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <19990110172259.A2057@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Sun, Jan 10, 1999 at 05:22:59PM +0100 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1553 Lines: 41 On Sun, Jan 10, 1999 at 05:22:59PM +0100, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > I now know the reason for this. Before giving out memory via brk() the > kernel checks, whether there is enough memory. The kernel holds back > (2 + page_cache.min_percent + buffer_mem.min_pecent) percent of the > available memory (see function vm_enough_memory() in mm/mmap.c). Problem > on the Indy is, that num_physpages is wrong by 128MB, because we account > the memory by only looking at the highest page number and forget about > holes in the memory map. And the Indy has a big hole between 0x80002000 > and 0x88002000 ... > > Right now I can't think of a good fix for this problem. Any ideas ? Attached is a quickfix which just fixes the calculation of num_physpages. The real thing is to us the PG_skip flag and implement the PageSkip macro. See the Sparc / Sparc64 code for how to implement. Implementing this will save us alot of memory as well. I'll post a real patch later. Ralf --- arch/mips/mm/init.c.orig Sun Jan 10 23:50:12 1999 +++ arch/mips/mm/init.c Sun Jan 10 23:50:53 1999 @@ -247,8 +247,9 @@ #endif end_mem &= PAGE_MASK; - max_mapnr = num_physpages = MAP_NR(end_mem); + max_mapnr = MAP_NR(end_mem); high_memory = (void *)end_mem; + num_physpages = 0; /* mark usable pages in the mem_map[] */ start_mem = PAGE_ALIGN(start_mem); @@ -278,6 +279,7 @@ datapages++; continue; } + num_physpages++; atomic_set(&mem_map[MAP_NR(tmp)].count, 1); #ifdef CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD if (!initrd_start || (tmp < initrd_start || tmp >= From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 11 08:51:22 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA82000 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:51:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA39491 for linux-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:47:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fddi-sgi.engr.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA42330 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:47:13 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (dialup117-1-6.swipnet.se [130.244.117.6]) by fddi-sgi.engr.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA01744 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:47:09 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: by bun.falkenberg.se via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:47:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19990111184751.B242@bun.falkenberg.se> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:47:51 +0100 From: Ulf Carlsson To: SGI Linux Mailing List Subject: My Indy is gone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 511 Lines: 12 Hi, The company where from I had got my Indy has now taken the machine back. It looks like my Linux/SGI days have been counted *sob*. The attempt I made to write an HAL2 driver wasn't completed, and the work is now stalled because of the absence of Indy machines at my home. If you would like to finish this, send me an email. Also, good luck to the Debian/MIPS project in the future, looks like I have to leave this as well... If you have anyone has any extra Indy machines, donations are welcome :-) - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 11 11:54:58 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA09822 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:54:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA27152 for linux-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:53:39 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fddi-sgi.engr.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA37348 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:53:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by fddi-sgi.engr.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA09138 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:53:36 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01835 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.01) with ESMTP id F5EV9600.1B3 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:53:30 -0800 Message-ID: <369A56F8.9ED0374@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:54:32 -0500 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Just Another Snake Cult X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.131 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: linus down? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 101 Lines: 6 I can't get to cvs or http services on linus...anyone know what's up? Mike -- 165664.76 134607.33 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 11 12:04:16 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA05600 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:04:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA40366 for linux-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:03:26 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from tantrik.engr.sgi.com (tantrik.engr.sgi.com [130.62.245.44]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA33835; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:03:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shm@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com) Received: from localhost (shm@localhost) by tantrik.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA28023; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:03:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:03:21 -0800 From: Shrijeet Mukherjee To: Mike Shaver cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: linus down? In-Reply-To: <369A56F8.9ED0374@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 746 Lines: 21 On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Mike Shaver wrote: ->I can't get to cvs or http services on linus...anyone know what's up? -> ->Mike I am seeing the same problem .. what is going on ? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shrijeet Mukherjee, Member of Technical Staff (MTS) Advanced Graphics Division Silicon Graphics Computer Systems http://reality.sgi.com/shm_engr phone: 650-933-5312 email: shm@engr.sgi.com, shm@sgi.com, shrijeet@hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The world fears a new experience more than it fears anything. Because a new experience displaces so many old experiences. -- D. H. Lawrence From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 11 13:21:19 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA02277 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:21:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA68892 for linux-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:19:53 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fddi-sgi.engr.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA69656 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:19:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by fddi-sgi.engr.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA03975 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:19:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (lightning.swansea.uk.linux.org [194.168.151.1]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA32476; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:19:41 GMT Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0zzpd7-0007U2C; Mon, 11 Jan 99 22:16 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: My Indy is gone To: ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se (Ulf Carlsson) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:16:12 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <19990111184751.B242@bun.falkenberg.se> from "Ulf Carlsson" at Jan 11, 99 06:47:51 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 788 Lines: 18 > The company where from I had got my Indy has now taken the machine back. It > looks like my Linux/SGI days have been counted *sob*. The attempt I made to > write an HAL2 driver wasn't completed, and the work is now stalled because of > the absence of Indy machines at my home. If you would like to finish this, send > me an email. Also, good luck to the Debian/MIPS project in the future, looks > like I have to leave this as well... > > If you have anyone has any extra Indy machines, donations are welcome :-) I'm currently trying to give the Indy sitting here back to SGI so they can give it to an X developer or someone who has time to hack on the small number of drivers now needed. Ariel, the machine sitting in a box on my floor would be in much better hands with Ulf Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 11 14:21:16 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA15554 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:21:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA92476 for linux-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:18:45 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dragon.engr.sgi.com (dragon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.63]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA84654; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:18:40 -0800 (PST) mail_from (sr@dragon.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from sr@localhost) by dragon.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA10838; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:18:40 -0800 (PST) From: sr@dragon.engr.sgi.com (Steve Rikli) Message-Id: <199901112218.OAA10838@dragon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: linus down? To: shm@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Shrijeet Mukherjee) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:18:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: shaver@netscape.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Shrijeet Mukherjee" at Jan 11, 99 12:03:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 659 Lines: 18 Shrijeet Mukherjee wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Mike Shaver wrote: > > ->I can't get to cvs or http services on linus...anyone know what's up? > > I am seeing the same problem .. what is going on ? linus.linux.sgi.com gives every appearance of being down with some kinda h/w problem. I've just started poking it -- more info when I have it. sr. -- || Steve Rikli ||| I love the rules. Once you know the || || Systems Administrator ||| rules you can cheat. || || NSD/SNS/ASD/SSBU/CSBU/...||| || || Silicon Graphics, Inc. ||| - Charles M. Schulz, _Peanuts_ || From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 11 15:15:09 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA27724 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:15:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA12707 for linux-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:13:57 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dragon.engr.sgi.com (dragon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.63]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA06864 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:13:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (sr@dragon.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from sr@localhost) by dragon.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA16055 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:13:54 -0800 (PST) From: sr@dragon.engr.sgi.com (Steve Rikli) Message-Id: <199901112313.PAA16055@dragon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: linus down? To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:13:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199901112218.OAA10838@dragon.engr.sgi.com> from "Steve Rikli" at Jan 11, 99 02:18:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 886 Lines: 24 Steve Rikli wrote: > Shrijeet Mukherjee wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Mike Shaver wrote: > > > > ->I can't get to cvs or http services on linus...anyone know what's up? > > > > I am seeing the same problem .. what is going on ? > > linus.linux.sgi.com gives every appearance of being down with some > kinda h/w problem. > > I've just started poking it -- more info when I have it. Update -- this has almost nothing to do with linus' h/w , rather it appears to be one of the Internet router connections to linus. Trying to get in touch with the appropriate parties now. sr. -- || Steve Rikli ||| There's a fine line between genius and || || Systems Administrator ||| insanity. I have erased this line. || || NSD/SNS/ASD/SSBU/CSBU/...||| || || Silicon Graphics, Inc. ||| - Oscar Levant (1906-1972) || From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 11 20:35:18 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA57930 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:35:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA07123 for linux-list; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:34:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgidal.dallas.sgi.com (sgidal.dallas.sgi.com [169.238.80.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id UAA11691 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:34:13 -0800 (PST) mail_from (chad@sgidal.dallas.sgi.com) Received: from dallas.sgi.com by sgidal.dallas.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) for id WAA17175; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:34:11 -0600 Message-ID: <369AD0C2.977C04AC@dallas.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:34:10 -0600 From: Chad Carlin Reply-To: chad@sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux Subject: same boot vmlinux trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3797 Lines: 96 Still having the same problem. Anyone have a more recent vmlinux kernel? Does anyone have a sample of what this boot output looks like when it works? BTW I have mounted my linux dev directory on another linux machine and was able to write to the console device. Also was able to create new device files in the mounted directory and use those as well. I'm pretty stuck here. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Chad Option? 5 Command Monitor. Type "exit" to return to the menu. >> boot bootp()169.238.83.43:vmlinux nfsroot=169.238.83.43:/dist/linux/mipseb nfsaddrs=:169.238.83.43::0xffffff80:marvin2:: 130768+22320+3184+341792+48560d+4604+6816 entry: 0x8bfa60d0 Obtaining vmlinux from server 169.238.83.43 PROMLIB: SGI ARCS firmware Version 1 Revision 10 PROMLIB: Total free ram 65814528 bytes (64272K,62MB) ARCH: SGI-IP22 CPU: MIPS-R4400 FPU ICACHE DCACHE SCACHE Loading R4000 MMU routines. CPU revision is: 00000460 Primary instruction cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes) Primary data cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes) Secondary cache sized at 1024K linesize 128 Linux version 2.1.100 (root@alex3.med.iacnet.com) (gcc version 2.7.2) #29 Thu Jul 9 22:19:39 EDT 1998 MC: SGI memory controller Revision 3 calculating r4koff... 000f43c2(1000386) zs0: console input zs0: console I/O Calibrating delay loop... 99.94 BogoMIPS Memory: 60364k/196116k available (1216k kernel code, 2684k data) Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 for Linux 2.1 NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.16 for Linux NET3.038. Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.037 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP Checking for 'wait' instruction... unavailable. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Starting kswapd v 1.5 Adv: about to run setup() SGI Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00 tty00 at 0xbfbd9838 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 tty01 at 0xbfbd9830 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size loop: registered device at major 7 WD93: Driver version 1.25 compiled on Jul 7 1998 at 16:59:57 debug_flags=0x00 wd33c93-0: chip=WD33c93B/13 no_sync=0xff no_dma=0scsi0 : SGI WD93 scsi : 1 host. sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: IBM Model: DCAS-32160 Rev: S65A Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: SGI Model: SEAGATE ST31200N Rev: 9278 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 scsi : detected 2 SCSI disks total. SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 4226725 [2063 MB] [2.1 GB] SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 2077833 [1014 MB] [1.0 GB] sgiseeq.c: David S. Miller (dm@engr.sgi.com) eth0: SGI Seeq8003 08:00:69:07:9b:35 Sending BOOTP requests.... OK IP-Config: Got BOOTP answer from 169.238.83.43, my address is 169.238.83.19 IP-Config: Gateway not on directly connected network. Partition check: sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 Looking up port of RPC 100003/2 on 169.238.83.43 Looking up port of RPC 100005/1 on 169.238.83.43 VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem). Adv: done running setup() Freeing unused kernel memory: 44k freed Warning: unable to open an initial console. page fault from irq handler: 0000 $0 : 00000000 88180000 0000062d 00000000 $4 : 00000000 1004fc00 00000000 00000000 $8 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 abf33822 $12: 000a0000 8bf31070 8bf31000 00000000 $16: 8bf41000 8bf2c0e0 0000062d 881523c8 $20: abf41040 bfb94000 00000000 bfbd4000 $24: 00000000 8bf5fb58 $28: 88008000 88009dd8 0000000e 880e3f38 epc : 880e3e74 Status: 1004fc02 Cause : 00000008 Aiee, killing interrupt handler Kernel panic: Attempted to kill the idle task! In swapper task - not syncing From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 12 07:45:50 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA48299 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:45:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA21345 for linux-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:45:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgidal.dallas.sgi.com (sgidal.dallas.sgi.com [169.238.80.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA80838 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:45:07 -0800 (PST) mail_from (chad@roctane.dallas.sgi.com) Received: from roctane.dallas.sgi.com by sgidal.dallas.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id JAA02758; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:43:27 -0600 Received: from roctane.dallas.sgi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roctane.dallas.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA05847; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:45:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <369B6DFE.81E756D5@roctane.dallas.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:45:03 -0600 From: Chad Carlin Reply-To: chad@sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robin Humble , linux Subject: Re: same boot vmlinux trouble References: <199901120848.TAA18136@pixel.maths.monash.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 6485 Lines: 148 Hi Robin, You are correct. That sort of copying would be very tedious indeed. I have the console port (serial port 1) of argo(linux Indy) connected to serial port 1 on my bootp/nfs server (marvin2). You probably already know how to set this up but in the interest of time (if I was patient I would work for a company that made slower computers) I'll include instructions anyway. This describes how to setup an Indy-to-Indy serial cable. 1.Get a cable marked Indy to Indy (If you need help with this let me know) 2.Plug one end in the master's serial port #2 (or whichever is available) 3.Plug the other end in the slave's serial port #1 (or whichever is available) 4.Be sure the master has eoe.sw.uucp installed 5.Edit the master's ~uucp/Devices file so this line is uncommented: Direct ttyd2 - 9600 direct 6.Verify the slave's /etc/inittab file has this line with respawn instead of off: t1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty ttyd1 co_9600 # alt console (mine is actually off) 7.Verify the master's /dev/ttyd2 file is owned by uucp (check permissions too) 8.As root on the slave machine type nvram console d. This tells the machine to output its console information through the duart (port 1) instead of to the graphics screen. 9.To initiate the connection type cu -l ttyd2 on the master machine. NOTE: That's a letter el, not a number one. 10.When you encounter problems, start rebooting things. :-) Mine is a little different from this example. My inittab file has this entry (note; I use ttyd1 on my host). Mine is off as opposed to respawn. t1:23:off:/sbin/suattr -C CAP_FOWNER,CAP_DEVICE_MGT,CAP_DAC_WRITE+ip -c "exec /sbin/getty ttyd1 console" # alt console BTW Setting this up is nice if your Indy's are close together. It lets you log into you IRIX Indy and work in prom or single user on the linux Indy. Also nice for cut and paste of boot info. Even does floors. No Windoze though. ;-) Apologies, if this is remedial reading for you. I guess I'm used to working with rocket scientist that don't understand some of the things I think are simple. And vice a versa I'm sure. Many thanks. Regards, Chad Robin Humble wrote: > Hi Chad, > > Sorry to hear it's still not working. > > How do I get a printout like the one below so I can see exactly what > mine prints? I'm presuming you didn't copy it line by line from the Indy > monitor. > > robin > > >Option? 5 > >Command Monitor. Type "exit" to return to the menu. > >>> boot bootp()169.238.83.43:vmlinux nfsroot=169.238.83.43:/dist/linux/mipseb nfsaddrs=:169.238.83.43::0xffffff80:marvin2:: > >130768+22320+3184+341792+48560d+4604+6816 entry: 0x8bfa60d0 > >Obtaining vmlinux from server 169.238.83.43 > >PROMLIB: SGI ARCS firmware Version 1 Revision 10 > >PROMLIB: Total free ram 65814528 bytes (64272K,62MB) > >ARCH: SGI-IP22 > >CPU: MIPS-R4400 FPU ICACHE DCACHE SCACHE > >Loading R4000 MMU routines. > >CPU revision is: 00000460 > >Primary instruction cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes) > >Primary data cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes) > >Secondary cache sized at 1024K linesize 128 > >Linux version 2.1.100 (root@alex3.med.iacnet.com) (gcc version 2.7.2) > >#29 Thu Jul 9 22:19:39 EDT 1998 > >MC: SGI memory controller Revision 3 > >calculating r4koff... 000f43c2(1000386) > >zs0: console input > >zs0: console I/O > >Calibrating delay loop... 99.94 BogoMIPS > >Memory: 60364k/196116k available (1216k kernel code, 2684k data) > >Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 for Linux 2.1 > >NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.16 for Linux NET3.038. > >Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.037 > >IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP > >Checking for 'wait' instruction... unavailable. > >POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX > >Starting kswapd v 1.5 > >Adv: about to run setup() > >SGI Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00 > >tty00 at 0xbfbd9838 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 > >tty01 at 0xbfbd9830 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 > >Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size > >loop: registered device at major 7 > >WD93: Driver version 1.25 compiled on Jul 7 1998 at 16:59:57 > > debug_flags=0x00 > >wd33c93-0: chip=WD33c93B/13 no_sync=0xff no_dma=0scsi0 : SGI WD93 > >scsi : 1 host. > > sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: IBM Model: > >DCAS-32160 Rev: S65A > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > >Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 > > sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: SGI Model: SEAGATE > >ST31200N Rev: 9278 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > >Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > >scsi : detected 2 SCSI disks total. > >SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 4226725 [2063 MB] [2.1 > >GB] > >SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 2077833 [1014 MB] [1.0 > >GB] > >sgiseeq.c: David S. Miller (dm@engr.sgi.com) > >eth0: SGI Seeq8003 08:00:69:07:9b:35 > >Sending BOOTP requests.... OK > >IP-Config: Got BOOTP answer from 169.238.83.43, my address is > >169.238.83.19 > >IP-Config: Gateway not on directly connected network. > >Partition check: > > sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 > > sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 > >Looking up port of RPC 100003/2 on 169.238.83.43 > >Looking up port of RPC 100005/1 on 169.238.83.43 > >VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem). > >Adv: done running setup() > >Freeing unused kernel memory: 44k freed > >Warning: unable to open an initial console. > >page fault from irq handler: 0000 > >$0 : 00000000 88180000 0000062d 00000000 > >$4 : 00000000 1004fc00 00000000 00000000 > >$8 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 abf33822 > >$12: 000a0000 8bf31070 8bf31000 00000000 > >$16: 8bf41000 8bf2c0e0 0000062d 881523c8 > >$20: abf41040 bfb94000 00000000 bfbd4000 > >$24: 00000000 8bf5fb58 > >$28: 88008000 88009dd8 0000000e 880e3f38 > >epc : 880e3e74 > >Status: 1004fc02 > >Cause : 00000008 > >Aiee, killing interrupt handler > >Kernel panic: Attempted to kill the idle task! > >In swapper task - not syncing -- ----------------------------------------------------- Chad Carlin Special Systems Silicon Graphics Inc. 972.205.5911 Pager 888.754.1597 VMail 800.414.7994 X5344 chad@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/chad ----------------------------------------------------- Bumper Sticker: "Happiness is a belt fed weapon." From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 12 14:19:30 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA97033 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:19:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA32125 for linux-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:18:11 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fddi-sgi.engr.sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA29006 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:18:09 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by fddi-sgi.engr.sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA00944; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:16:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (pmport-25.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.25]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA19768; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:12:48 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA00933; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:51:47 +0100 Message-ID: <19990112175147.C341@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:51:47 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: chad@sgi.engr.sgi.com, linux Cc: Alex deVries Subject: Re: same boot vmlinux trouble References: <369AD0C2.977C04AC@dallas.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <369AD0C2.977C04AC@dallas.sgi.com>; from Chad Carlin on Mon, Jan 11, 1999 at 10:34:10PM -0600 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 647 Lines: 18 On Mon, Jan 11, 1999 at 10:34:10PM -0600, Chad Carlin wrote: > Still having the same problem. Anyone have a more recent vmlinux kernel? > Does anyone have a sample of what this boot output looks like when it > works? > > BTW I have mounted my linux dev directory on another linux machine and > was able to write to the console device. Also was able to create new > device files in the mounted directory and use those as well. > > I'm pretty stuck here. Any help would be appreciated. This old kernel doesn't handle R4000 / R4400 SC versions correctly, you'll need a newer one. Alex, could you brew a binary kernel from CVS? Thanks. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 12 16:42:08 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA99238 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:42:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA73395 for linux-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:41:27 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dragon.engr.sgi.com (dragon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.63]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA86048 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:41:26 -0800 (PST) mail_from (sr@dragon.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from sr@localhost) by dragon.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA18295 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:41:26 -0800 (PST) From: sr@dragon.engr.sgi.com (Steve Rikli) Message-Id: <199901130041.QAA18295@dragon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: linus down? To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:41:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199901112313.PAA16055@dragon.engr.sgi.com> from "Steve Rikli" at Jan 11, 99 03:13:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1384 Lines: 38 Steve Rikli wrote: > Steve Rikli wrote: > > Shrijeet Mukherjee wrote: > > > On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Mike Shaver wrote: > > > > > > ->I can't get to cvs or http services on linus...anyone know what's up? > > > > > > I am seeing the same problem .. what is going on ? > > > > linus.linux.sgi.com gives every appearance of being down with some > > kinda h/w problem. > > > > I've just started poking it -- more info when I have it. > > Update -- this has almost nothing to do with linus' h/w , rather it > appears to be one of the Internet router connections to linus. > > Trying to get in touch with the appropriate parties now. An addtional update here: The appropriate parties responsible for the external network which linus.linux.sgi.com lives on have been notified of the situation and are (have been) looking at the matter for a while. Unfortunately I don't have a full-fledged ETA yet, since the "fix" likely involves some potential work on one of SGI's Internet routers. Again, more info when I get it. Sorry for the delay, and thanks for your patience so far. sr. -- || Steve Rikli ||| || || Systems Administrator ||| Does fuzzy logic tickle? || || NSD/SNS/ASD/SSBU/CSBU/...||| || || Silicon Graphics, Inc. ||| || From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 12 16:56:08 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA06894 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:56:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA86169 for linux-list; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:55:08 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA97554 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:55:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id TAA09566 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:53:47 -0500 (EST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA18216; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:57:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:57:49 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: linux Subject: Re: same boot vmlinux trouble In-Reply-To: <19990112175147.C341@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 897 Lines: 25 On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > Alex, could you brew a binary kernel from CVS? Thanks. I will as soon as linus.linux.sgi.com is alive again. Any news on this? Incidentally, I've been working for the last few days on rewriting libfdisk. This is used inside the RH installer to mdoify and read partition tables. SGI tables are wildly different than anything else of course, and libfdisk is really only designed for pc/dos partition tables. So, I'm rewriting it as nlibfdisk, and has support now for reading pc, sgi and macintosh partition tables. It's flexible enough to easily allow other partitioning formats. Having this solved will let us have a better installer on the SGI, and also on Macintosh (both m68k and ppc). When it's looking a little less stable, I'll ask people here to give it a shot on their partition tables (marked read only, of course). - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 13 07:27:02 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA25837 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:27:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA20715 for linux-list; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:26:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgidal.dallas.sgi.com (sgidal.dallas.sgi.com [169.238.80.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA08352 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:26:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (chad@roctane.dallas.sgi.com) Received: from roctane.dallas.sgi.com by sgidal.dallas.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) for <@sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com> id JAA18507; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:24:28 -0600 Received: from roctane.dallas.sgi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roctane.dallas.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA07617 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:25:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <369CBB05.E6D0C856@roctane.dallas.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:25:57 -0600 From: Chad Carlin Reply-To: chad@sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: same boot vmlinux trouble References: <9901130912.ZM21964@interceptor.dallas.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2678 Lines: 68 Thanks in advance for the new kernel. Is anyone else out there running on an R4400? BTW In an effort to be sure that my antiquated Indy wasn't having problems due to old rev hardware, I have updated this system with the latest parts. Argo now has 1) rev 5 24-bit gfx, 2)rev 16 IP24 motherboard. 3) rev 11 PROM. I'll check the CPU rev level if this matters to anyone. Chad Chad Carlin wrote: > --- Forwarded mail from Alex deVries > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:57:49 -0500 (EST) > From: Alex deVries > To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de > cc: linux > Subject: Re: same boot vmlinux trouble > > On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > > > Alex, could you brew a binary kernel from CVS? Thanks. > > I will as soon as linus.linux.sgi.com is alive again. Any news on this? > > Incidentally, I've been working for the last few days on rewriting > libfdisk. This is used inside the RH installer to mdoify and read > partition tables. SGI tables are wildly different than anything else of > course, and libfdisk is really only designed for pc/dos partition tables. > > So, I'm rewriting it as nlibfdisk, and has support now for reading pc, sgi > and macintosh partition tables. It's flexible enough to easily allow > other partitioning formats. > > Having this solved will let us have a better installer on the SGI, and > also on Macintosh (both m68k and ppc). > > When it's looking a little less stable, I'll ask people here to give it a > shot on their partition tables (marked read only, of course). > > - Alex > > ---End of forwarded mail from Alex deVries > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Chad Carlin Special Systems > Silicon Graphics Inc. 972.205.5911 > Pager 888.754.1597 VMail 800.414.7994 X5344 > chad@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/chad > ----------------------------------------------------- > "His favorite Porsche was never the last. It was > always the next" Said of Dr. Ferdinand Porsche > -- ----------------------------------------------------- Chad Carlin Special Systems Silicon Graphics Inc. 972.205.5911 Pager 888.754.1597 VMail 800.414.7994 X5344 chad@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/chad ----------------------------------------------------- Bumper Sticker: "Happiness is a belt fed weapon." From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 15 10:25:06 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA14938 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:25:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA56179 for linux-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:24:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA53057 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:24:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA04967 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:23:57 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA19174 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:24:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:24:04 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: linus.linux.sgi.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 364 Lines: 13 I don't mean to seem like a bother, but what is the deal with linus.linux.sgi.com? We really need that machine for development. I think it's been a week now. If SGI isn't going to be able to support that service, that's fine. Could you let us know so we can make other arrangements? -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 15 10:34:10 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA11312 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:34:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA84156 for linux-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:32:25 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA72359 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:32:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from mail128.detroit.sgi.com (mail128.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.42]) by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA15044; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from detroit.sgi.com (cx1.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.130.4]) by mail128.detroit.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA29709; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:32:19 -0500 Message-ID: <369F88B7.4950FEA4@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:28:07 -0500 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex deVries CC: SGI Linux Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 944 Lines: 28 Alex deVries wrote: > > I don't mean to seem like a bother, but what is the deal with > linus.linux.sgi.com? We really need that machine for development. I think > it's been a week now. > > If SGI isn't going to be able to support that service, that's fine. Could > you let us know so we can make other arrangements? > > -- > Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. > I know exactly what I want in life. Im probably poking my nose in where Im not needed but Im digging in to see if I can find the problem. EAK. -- ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau eak@detroit.sgi.com Field Technical Support SGI 39001 W. 12 Mile Rd. Farmington, MI 48331-2903 Vox:(248)848-4455 Fax:(248)848-5600 VNET:6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up..." http://support.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 15 10:41:47 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA14981 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:41:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA65291 for linux-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:40:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA82496 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:40:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from smtp1.casema.net (sun4000.casema.net [195.96.96.97]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA06686 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:40:40 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from infopact.nl (9dyn182.breda.casema.net [195.96.116.182]) by smtp1.casema.net (8.9.1/CASEMA) with ESMTP id TAA26380; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:39:53 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:39:53 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <369F8C88.39CC6B03@infopact.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:44:25 -0800 From: Richard Hartensveld X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex deVries CC: SGI Linux Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 724 Lines: 26 Alex deVries wrote: > I don't mean to seem like a bother, but what is the deal with > linus.linux.sgi.com? We really need that machine for development. I think > it's been a week now. > > If SGI isn't going to be able to support that service, that's fine. Could > you let us know so we can make other arrangements? > I've got a challenge S connected to the internet on a 34mbit connection, running the (somewhat modificated) hardhat distribution. I am more then willing to host the linux/SGI pages on this machine, and put the machine up for development if people are intrested. I don't know if the www.linux.sgi.com machine is ever going to get back up, but if it isn't, this is maybe a solution? Greetz, Richard From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 15 11:11:19 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA69358 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:11:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA52158 for linux-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:09:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA78479; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:09:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA23245; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:09:53 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:09:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, richard@infopact.nl (Richard Hartensveld) In-Reply-To: <369F8C88.39CC6B03@infopact.nl> from "Richard Hartensveld" at Jan 15, 99 10:44:25 am Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2425 Lines: 78 Hi, Looks like I need to give a status update on linus.linux.sgi.com. First, let me tell you all that I'm really taken aback by this situation. I've seen postings on slashdot.org suggesting that SGI has taken this machine down because it is in bed with Microsoft etc. etc. and all kinds of negative speculation and nonsense. I was even contacted by the press on this (could you believe that :-) Let me make it very clear: 1) No one at SGI has taken this service down and guess what: we are going to bring it back up again. 2) The machine itself is not down. The problem is in the routing to the machine and from what I last heard, it seems to be a hardware problem. 3) I talked to people who can help fixing this and they want to help, the only problem they have is that they have other "real-work" priorities which is why it is talking so long to fix it. 4) The timing when this thing decided to break (close to the announcement of the SGI Visual Workstation) is purely coincidental. 5) As far as many of us SGI'ers are concerned, SGI support to Open Source and the Linux community will only grow with time. See for example Jeremy Allison's cool Samba 2.0 announcement yesterday: http://lwn.net/daily/samba2.0.html As some of you know, SGI now is the main founder of the Samba project putting real big money and serious (Origin server) hardware donations to help it grow, improve, and kick butt. Mirroring linus.linux.sgi.com is a good idea and once it is back up I encourage more volunteers to step up and do it. Thanks for your patience and support! -- Peace, Ariel : :Alex deVries wrote: : :> I don't mean to seem like a bother, but what is the deal with :> linus.linux.sgi.com? We really need that machine for development. I think :> it's been a week now. :> :> If SGI isn't going to be able to support that service, that's fine. Could :> you let us know so we can make other arrangements? :> : :I've got a challenge S connected to the internet on a 34mbit connection, :running the (somewhat modificated) hardhat distribution. : :I am more then willing to host the linux/SGI pages on this machine, and put :the machine up :for development if people are intrested. : :I don't know if the www.linux.sgi.com machine is ever going to get back up, :but if it isn't, :this is maybe a solution? : :Greetz, : :Richard : : -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 15 12:35:20 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA26250 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:35:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA18939 for linux-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:34:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from deliverator.sgi.com (deliverator.sgi.com [150.166.91.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA07858; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:34:20 -0800 (PST) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by deliverator.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980310.SGI-aspam) via ESMTP id MAA19065; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:25:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (lightning.swansea.uk.linux.org [194.168.151.1]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA22532; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:33:35 GMT Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m101GoY-0007U1C; Fri, 15 Jan 99 21:29 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:29:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, richard@infopact.nl In-Reply-To: <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at Jan 15, 99 11:09:53 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 331 Lines: 9 > situation. I've seen postings on slashdot.org suggesting that > SGI has taken this machine down because it is in bed with > Microsoft etc. etc. and all kinds of negative speculation and Umm.. thats slashdot for you Im afraid. Proof that the IQ of a group of people is frequently the sum of the lowest 10% of the members Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 15 14:01:53 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA81925 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:01:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA14282 for linux-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:00:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA70701; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:59:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA00689; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:59:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from eddie (ralf@eddie.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.17]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA05655; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:59:20 +0100 (MET) Received: by eddie (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id WAA10128; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:59:18 +0100 Message-ID: <19990115225918.25643@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:59:18 +0100 To: Ariel Faigon Cc: SGI/Linux mailing list , adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, Richard Hartensveld Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com References: <369F8C88.39CC6B03@infopact.nl> <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com>; from Ariel Faigon on Fri, Jan 15, 1999 at 11:09:53AM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1445 Lines: 35 On Fri, Jan 15, 1999 at 11:09:53AM -0800, Ariel Faigon wrote: > Looks like I need to give a status update on linus.linux.sgi.com. > > First, let me tell you all that I'm really taken aback by this > situation. I've seen postings on slashdot.org suggesting that > SGI has taken this machine down because it is in bed with > Microsoft etc. etc. and all kinds of negative speculation and > nonsense. I was even contacted by the press on this (could > you believe that :-) Let me make it very clear: > > 1) No one at SGI has taken this service down and > guess what: we are going to bring it back up again. > > 2) The machine itself is not down. The problem is in the > routing to the machine and from what I last heard, > it seems to be a hardware problem. The tracroute I just did looks like a) SGI's engineering pipe needs a serious upgrade due to packet loss and b) there is a routing loop somewhere. So if the router people can't fix it maybe moivng the machine to an address which actually has a functional setup? > 4) The timing when this thing decided to break (close to the > announcement of the SGI Visual Workstation) is purely > coincidental. Seconded. SGI (and actually the whole industry) is _W_A_Y_ more OSS friendly than /. rumors say. Quite frankly, having to answer several private emails aobut this topic I'm still surprised how much policital damage a stupid messed up route can cause. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 15 14:08:54 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA31595 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:08:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA52169 for linux-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:06:29 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.141]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA57074 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:06:27 -0800 (PST) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA20918; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:06:20 -0800 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:06:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199901152206.OAA20918@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Alex deVries Cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 520 Lines: 13 Alex deVries writes: > > I don't mean to seem like a bother, but what is the deal with > linus.linux.sgi.com? We really need that machine for development. I think > it's been a week now. I apologize for SGI for the long delay. I just clarified to the support people that it is indeed a critical resource, and they say it should be back within two hours. Some failed hardware (not, apparently, on that machine itself) is being replaced. For the longer term, I will work on assuring more stable service. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 15 14:38:45 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA37524 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:38:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA89939 for linux-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:36:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA74989; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:36:25 -0800 (PST) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA05019; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:36:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA26968; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:38:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:38:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199901152238.QAA26968@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, richard@infopact.nl In-reply-to: <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com X-Mexico: Este es un pais de orates, un pais amateur. References: <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 541 Lines: 16 > As some of you know, SGI now is the main founder of > the Samba project putting real big money and serious > (Origin server) hardware donations to help it grow, > improve, and kick butt. Wow. Did the send one of those to the Samba team? My god. You impressed me. Even if you did not send one, the Samba 2.0 announcement is extremely interesting: Because there is no way other proprietary SMB file serving protocol running on any sort of machine will be able to beat the Origin-2000 serving files :-) Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 15 17:31:41 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA65355 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:31:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA77975 for linux-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:30:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA86329 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:30:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA26061 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199901160130.RAA26061@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: linus is back up To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:30:47 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 460 Lines: 14 Hi All, Thanks to Bill Earl escalating this - www.linux.sgi.com is now back up and running. We took this opportunity to move it to a faster FDDI interface (sorry it goes via a T-1 from there :-) I 'ssh'd and restarted the web server which seemed to be down. If anything isn't working I guess many of you who have access to the machine can fix it. Have a nice weekend, I have to run and catch my little daughter from kindergarden now... -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 15 19:23:23 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA72838 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:23:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA25707 for linux-list; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:22:44 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA13196; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:22:40 -0800 (PST) mail_from (davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com) Received: from dm.cobaltmicro.com (dm.cobaltmicro.com [209.133.34.35]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id TAA05806; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:22:40 -0800 (PST) mail_from (davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com) Received: (from davem@localhost) by dm.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11493; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:21:36 -0800 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:21:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199901160321.TAA11493@dm.cobaltmicro.com> From: "David S. Miller" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de CC: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, richard@infopact.nl In-reply-to: <19990115225918.25643@uni-koblenz.de> (ralf@uni-koblenz.de) Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com References: <369F8C88.39CC6B03@infopact.nl> <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> <19990115225918.25643@uni-koblenz.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1251 Lines: 31 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:59:18 +0100 Seconded. SGI (and actually the whole industry) is _W_A_Y_ more OSS friendly than /. rumors say. Although I am a supporter of SGI and I understand their friendlyness to the community, I do have to state that the rumors and feelings are unsurprising given that: 1) SGI has no UNIX story (yet) on their new hardware. 2) SGI has no binary compatability story on the new hardware for customers who have made an investment in their MIPS line. (Sun will be acquiring what SGI has (ability to execute x86 binaries) in the very near future in their Sparc processors, without screwing their customers over the way SGI is at the moment... I can't say how they'll do it, but all I can say is that they are doing it the right way) And todays announcement of how much of their MIPS investment stake they are getting rid of, will only amplify how people feel about the above. So if SGI has some exciting news for us OSS people in the pipeline, and they are just holding off for "the right time", I think this is a miscalculated delay and will hurt them tremendously. The sooner the better, is anyone listening? Later, David S. Miller davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 17 06:07:41 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA27870 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 06:07:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA88813 for linux-list; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 06:06:24 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA82305 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 06:06:22 -0800 (PST) mail_from (fredrov@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com (f141.hotmail.com [207.82.251.20]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id JAA06027 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:06:21 -0500 (EST) mail_from (fredrov@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 3891 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jan 1999 14:06:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19990117140621.3890.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.192.23.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 06:06:21 PST X-Originating-IP: [194.192.23.1] From: "Fredrik Rovik" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Visual PC Linux Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 06:06:21 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 732 Lines: 23 Hello, Ok.. this has nothing to do with linux on the earlier known "SGI" but, only on the new box. The VisualPC. I've read about it..and, seen a few shots from people using it.. it looks pretty damn impressive for that price! Only thing, I refuse to use Windows NT. Does anyone there know wether or not there's people working on getting linux to run properly on it. That means, hopefully SVGALIB, X, OpenGL.. most importantly OpenGL ;) Since this is the linux/sgi mailinglist I were hoping someone here knew about this. Maybe someone working at sgi reads this and take a hint. ;) Thanx for all information. Fredrik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 17 15:24:29 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA53577 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:24:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA39216 for linux-list; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:23:18 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from mailbox.esd.sgi.com (mailbox.esd.sgi.com [130.62.72.15]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA06995; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:23:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (kck@mailbox.esd.sgi.com) Received: by mailbox.esd.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA78415; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:23:17 -0800 (PST) From: kck@mailbox.esd.sgi.com (Ken Klingman) Message-Id: <199901172323.PAA78415@mailbox.esd.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Visual PC Linux To: fredrov@hotmail.com (Fredrik Rovik) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:23:16 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <19990117140621.3890.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Fredrik Rovik" at Jan 17, 99 06:06:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1089 Lines: 35 We are working on it. We're actually close to getting the base level system support into the 2.2 release. Software-only X and OpenGL should follow relatively shortly, but hardware-accelerated OpenGL is still some time off. See www.precisioninsight.com for news about hardware-accelerated OpenGL. Ken > > Hello, > > > Ok.. this has nothing to do with linux on the earlier known "SGI" > but, only on the new box. The VisualPC. > I've read about it..and, seen a few shots from people using it.. > it looks pretty damn impressive for that price! > Only thing, I refuse to use Windows NT. > Does anyone there know wether or not there's people working > on getting linux to run properly on it. That means, > hopefully SVGALIB, X, OpenGL.. most importantly OpenGL ;) > > Since this is the linux/sgi mailinglist I were hoping > someone here knew about this. > Maybe someone working at sgi reads this and take a hint. ;) > > Thanx for all information. > > Fredrik > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 17 22:19:08 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA42642 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:19:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA43830 for linux-list; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:18:21 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA36631 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:18:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id BAA08366 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:18:19 -0500 (EST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA06643 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:18:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:18:32 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Problems getting 2.1.131 to build. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2080 Lines: 55 First off, thanks for getting linus.linux.sgi.com back online! Okay. Here's the log of my build of 2.1.131 from the CVS: make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/newlinux/linux/fs/proc' egcs -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/newlinux/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -G 0 -mno-abicalls -fno-pic -mcpu=r4600 -mips2 -pipe -c -o array.o array.c array.c: In function `get_phys_addr': array.c:399: warning: int format, pid_t arg (arg 2) array.c: In function `task_state': array.c:738: warning: int format, pid_t arg (arg 4) array.c:738: warning: int format, pid_t arg (arg 5) array.c:738: warning: int format, uid_t arg (arg 6) array.c:738: warning: int format, uid_t arg (arg 7) array.c:738: warning: int format, uid_t arg (arg 8) array.c:738: warning: int format, uid_t arg (arg 9) array.c:738: warning: int format, gid_t arg (arg 10) array.c:738: warning: int format, gid_t arg (arg 11) array.c:738: warning: int format, gid_t arg (arg 12) array.c:738: warning: int format, gid_t arg (arg 13) array.c:741: warning: int format, long int arg (arg 3) array.c: In function `get_stat': array.c:947: warning: int format, pid_t arg (arg 6) array.c:947: warning: int format, pid_t arg (arg 7) array.c:947: warning: int format, pid_t arg (arg 8) array.c: In function `get_root_array': array.c:1351: duplicate case value array.c:1347: this is the first entry for that value array.c:1352: warning: implicit declaration of function `get_ds1286_status' make[3]: *** [array.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/newlinux/linux/fs/proc' make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/newlinux/linux/fs/proc' make[1]: *** [_subdir_proc] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/newlinux/linux/fs' make: *** [_dir_fs] Error 2 my egcs version: [root@black linux]# egcs -v Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/mips-linux/egcs-2.90.27/specs gcc version egcs-2.90.27 980315 (egcs-1.0.2 release) Any ideas? Looking at the code, what's CONFIG_SGI_DS1286? - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 17 22:57:57 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA61939 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:57:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA90846 for linux-list; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:57:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA60828 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:57:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id BAA09517 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:57:17 -0500 (EST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA07524 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:57:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:57:31 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Problems getting 2.1.131 to build. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 561 Lines: 19 On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Alex deVries wrote: > Okay. Here's the log of my build of 2.1.131 from the CVS: > make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/newlinux/linux/fs/proc' > egcs -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/newlinux/linux/include -Wall > -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -G 0 -mno-abicalls -fno-pic > -mcpu=r4600 -mips2 -pipe -c -o array.o array.c > array.c:1352: warning: implicit declaration of function > `get_ds1286_status' > make[3]: *** [array.o] Error 1 Ah, I see. Just disabled SGI RTC support, and it builds. Binaries tomorrow. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 02:41:58 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA74392 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:41:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA66702 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:41:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA90146; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:41:00 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA33736; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:40:52 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199901181040.CAA33736@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com To: davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com (David S. Miller) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:40:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, richard@infopact.nl In-Reply-To: <199901160321.TAA11493@dm.cobaltmicro.com> from "David S. Miller" at Jan 15, 99 07:21:36 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3809 Lines: 86 David, I delayed a lot reponding to this email and I would have much preferred to talk to you about all this over lunch rather than starting a mostly off-topic flame war on this list. But since you've made your concerns public I just have to clarify some misunderstandings before this gets out of control. Regarding Sun: Sun is clearly very worried about the recent Visual Workstations from SGI. Their web site speaks volumes about how worried they are. In fact, for two years, I haven't heard Sun so much preoccupied with SGI as I've seen it last week. The binary compatibility FUD is ironic considering that they have broken binary compatibility as well as source compatibility so many times in their history (m68k -> SPARC SPARC - x86, SunOs -> Solaris) believe me I know since I've been a Sun customer and an ISV. Not to mention their 64-bit story which has been "in the making" for about 4 years now since we had it in IRIX (including full binary support of both 32-bit and 64-bit apps on the same machine). Enough about Sun, OK. The Unix story of the new workstations will be out soon. All I would ask is a bit of patience :-). The MIPS announcement seems to be widely misunderstood as well As you know, SGI divested of the _embedded_ part of MIPS last year. It was an excellent decision considering the 15% of the divested company (previously an internal, pretty "invisible" SGI asset) now has a market cap or $1.2 billion (that's almost _half_ of the SGI market cap!) while SGI is still holding 85% of the MIPS shares (worth about 3 times SGI itself...) The MIPS embedded market is very different than the computer systems market and while SGI is still developing future MIPS high-end processors (the R12K, and the R14K), the standalone MIPS company is focusing on Windows-CE, consumer electronics, set top boxes, and the Nintendos' Sony PlayStations of the world. The decision to divest of the remaining 85% of MIPS is explained in the proxy for those interested in the nitty gritty, but what it means basically is that SGI can use the money for stuff that is more aligned with its core businesses, while MIPS will be less tied by alien interests, to better pursue its low-end markets. Lastly, you express the opinion that holding off good announcements for "the right time" is not a good idea, and here (surprise!) I have to fully agree with you. So to your question "is anyone listening" - you betcha. Just wait till I'm the CEO :-) So, are we meeting for lunch this week ? -- Peace, Ariel : : From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de : Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:59:18 +0100 : : Seconded. SGI (and actually the whole industry) is _W_A_Y_ more : OSS friendly than /. rumors say. : :Although I am a supporter of SGI and I understand their friendlyness :to the community, I do have to state that the rumors and feelings are :unsurprising given that: : :1) SGI has no UNIX story (yet) on their new hardware. :2) SGI has no binary compatability story on the new hardware for : customers who have made an investment in their MIPS line. : (Sun will be acquiring what SGI has (ability to execute x86 : binaries) in the very near future in their Sparc processors, : without screwing their customers over the way SGI is at the : moment... I can't say how they'll do it, but all I can say is : that they are doing it the right way) : :And todays announcement of how much of their MIPS investment stake :they are getting rid of, will only amplify how people feel about the :above. : :So if SGI has some exciting news for us OSS people in the pipeline, :and they are just holding off for "the right time", I think this is a :miscalculated delay and will hurt them tremendously. The sooner the :better, is anyone listening? : :Later, :David S. Miller :davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com : From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 02:44:42 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA73138 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:44:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA02295 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:44:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA02296 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:44:34 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA33723 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:44:34 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199901181044.CAA33723@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: More thanks To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:44:34 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 250 Lines: 7 Please pardon the additional message but I neglected to thank Steve Rikli and David Katinsky for being instrumental in bringing linus.linux.sgi.com up again. So to set the record straight, thanks Steve and David for your support ! -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 09:02:43 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA86166 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:02:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA94242 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:01:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA12110 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:01:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA05981 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:01:33 -0500 (EST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA23608 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:01:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:01:50 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: SGI Linux in Network World Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 4954 Lines: 120 http://www.nwfusion.com/news/1999/0118linux2.html Here it is: Grass-roots effort pulls SGI toward Linux By Deni Connor Network World, 01/18/99 Silicon Graphics (SGI) is proud to talk about how well it supports Windows NT, and likes to boast about the scalability and reliability of its Irix operating system. But the technically savvy workstation and server vendor has said little about Linux. Meanwhile, programmers inside and outside the company have been banging away, bringing the free, open source operating system to an array of SGI server and workstation So does SGI like Linux or not? Despite more than three weeks of inquiries from Network World, the question remains unanswered. SGI seems to be making all the right Linux moves, but the company is reluctant to talk about them. In fact, SGI seems oddly defensive, and sometimes ambivalent, about its Linux efforts. For instance, late last year the computer company became a sponsoring member of Linux International, a nonprofit association that works on the promotion and growth of Linux. SGI wrote a press release about its membership, but then tried to retract it after it was posted on Linux International's site (www.li.org). The organization has refused to remove the SGI document from its site. When contacted about this, SGI officials said they had no official comment on Linux involvement. One source, however, says the company did not want to appear to be copying Sun, which made a big Linux splash in December when it promised to port Linux to UltraSPARC. After a series of follow-up calls, Network World spoke with Dave McAllister, SGI's representative to Linux International. McAllister acknowledged the existence of an engineering-led, SGI-sponsored Linux mailing list, whose members have been porting Linux to different SGI machines for more than two years. McAllister offered little else on SGI's interest in Linux or the company's overall strategy. SGI's server product line manager, Ben Passerelli, only added scant details to McAllister's description of SGI's Linux activity. SGI's official interest in Linux was short-lived - it peaked early and seemingly waned quickly after. In summer 1996, the company hired an intern to port Linux to SGI's Indy workstation. The intern, who also ported Linux to Sun's SPARC, left soon after finishing the kernel part of the SGI/Linux port. The company has not filled this Linux position. A grass-roots effort within SGI has paid off. Volunteers have finished porting Linux to SGI's Indy machine, and their attention has now swung to other SGI devices, including SGI's newest box, the Visual Workstation, which runs Windows NT Workstation software. Linux also runs on SGI's Origin200 server. The Linux mailing list, which is active today and counts SGI employees as one-quarter of its members, grew out of the project porting Linux to Indy. Having nearly completed the port on SGI's Indy, dubbed HardHat 5.1, early in the summer of 1998, others on the list moved on to the SGI's Indigo workstation, the Visual workstation and other units, including the Indy and Indigo, which are not current-technology machines. SGI, the silent partner in this deal, has aided this mailing list by supplying a Web site (www.linux.sgi.com), hardware, documentation and equipment, but many folks in corporate SGI don't know anything about it. SGI's Passerelli confirms that Linux runs on various SGI machines, such as its current Origin200 server, as well as its Visual Workstation, announced last week. And without offering a strategy or official endorsement, Passerelli praises the up-and-coming operating system. "We are looking at Linux extremely seriously because in technical, government and Internet space you hear a tremendous amount of enthusiasm for what's going on in the open source community," Passerelli says. Servers amount to 50% of SGI's revenue. what's going on in the open source community," Passerelli says. Servers amount to 50% of SGI's revenue. "Stay tuned" is all SGI will officially say about Linux. Although further details are not available, SGI's 64-bit desktop and servers, which will be announced when Intel's Merced chip is complete, will be able to run Linux, as well as Windows NT and Irix, Passerelli says. Meanwhile, sources indicate that SGI is talking to Linux providers, such as Red Hat Software, about supporting SGI hardware. Linux is hardly as scalable as Irix, so don't expect to see SGI abandoning Irix, says an unnamed source. But Linux may be faster, at least according to the same source, who found that Linux is twice as fast as Irix on single-processor systems. Whether SGI will ever officially endorse Linux remains to be seen. The company has worked for two and a half years with Microsoft on high-end graphics, and a bold Linux pronouncement could jeopardize that relationship, some observers say. -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 09:10:52 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA86513 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:10:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA35566 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:10:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA07657 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:09:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (bpxterm.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.243.164]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA05075 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:09:52 -0500 (EST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA01028; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:10:02 +0100 Message-ID: <19990118181002.A859@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:10:02 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: SGI/Linux press Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 4814 Lines: 98 More press about SGI and Linux. This is available on http://www.nwfusion.com/news/1999/0118linux2.html. Grass-roots effort pulls SGI toward Linux By Deni Connor Network World, 01/18/99 Silicon Graphics (SGI) is proud to talk about how well it supports Windows NT, and likes to boast about the scalability and reliability of its Irix operating system. But the technically savvy workstation and server vendor has said little about Linux. Meanwhile, programmers inside and outside the company have been banging away, bringing the free, open source operating system to an array of SGI server and workstation So does SGI like Linux or not? Despite more than three weeks of inquiries from Network World, the question remains unanswered. SGI seems to be making all the right Linux moves, but the company is reluctant to talk about them. In fact, SGI seems oddly defensive, and sometimes ambivalent, about its Linux efforts. For instance, late last year the computer company became a sponsoring member of Linux International, a nonprofit association that works on the promotion and growth of Linux. SGI wrote a press release about its membership, but then tried to retract it after it was posted on Linux International's site (www.li.org). The organization has refused to remove the SGI document from its site. When contacted about this, SGI officials said they had no official comment on Linux involvement. One source, however, says the company did not want to appear to be copying Sun, which made a big Linux splash in December when it promised to port Linux to UltraSPARC. After a series of follow-up calls, Network World spoke with Dave McAllister, SGI's representative to Linux International. McAllister acknowledged the existence of an engineering-led, SGI-sponsored Linux mailing list, whose members have been porting Linux to different SGI machines for more than two years. McAllister offered little else on SGI's interest in Linux or the company's overall strategy. SGI's server product line manager, Ben Passerelli, only added scant details to McAllister's description of SGI's Linux activity. SGI's official interest in Linux was short-lived - it peaked early and seemingly waned quickly after. In summer 1996, the company hired an intern to port Linux to SGI's Indy workstation. The intern, who also ported Linux to Sun's SPARC, left soon after finishing the kernel part of the SGI/Linux port. The company has not filled this Linux position. A grass-roots effort within SGI has paid off. Volunteers have finished porting Linux to SGI's Indy machine, and their attention has now swung to other SGI devices, including SGI's newest box, the Visual Workstation, which runs Windows NT Workstation software. Linux also runs on SGI's Origin200 server. The Linux mailing list, which is active today and counts SGI employees as one-quarter of its members, grew out of the project porting Linux to Indy. Having nearly completed the port on SGI's Indy, dubbed HardHat 5.1, early in the summer of 1998, others on the list moved on to the SGI's Indigo workstation, the Visual workstation and other units, including the Indy and Indigo, which are not current-technology machines. SGI, the silent partner in this deal, has aided this mailing list by supplying a Web site (www.linux.sgi.com), hardware, documentation and equipment, but many folks in corporate SGI don't know anything about it. SGI's Passerelli confirms that Linux runs on various SGI machines, such as its current Origin200 server, as well as its Visual Workstation, announced last week. And without offering a strategy or official endorsement, Passerelli praises the up-and-coming operating system. "We are looking at Linux extremely seriously because in technical, government and Internet space you hear a tremendous amount of enthusiasm for what's going on in the open source community," Passerelli says. Servers amount to 50% of SGI's revenue. "Stay tuned" is all SGI will officially say about Linux. Although further details are not available, SGI's 64-bit desktop and servers, which will be announced when Intel's Merced chip is complete, will be able to run Linux, as well as Windows NT and Irix, Passerelli says. Meanwhile, sources indicate that SGI is talking to Linux providers, such as Red Hat Software, about supporting SGI hardware. Linux is hardly as scalable as Irix, so don't expect to see SGI abandoning Irix, says an unnamed source. But Linux may be faster, at least according to the same source, who found that Linux is twice as fast as Irix on single-processor systems. Whether SGI will ever officially endorse Linux remains to be seen. The company has worked for two and a half years with Microsoft on high-end graphics, and a bold Linux pronouncement could jeopardize that relationship, some observers say. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 09:21:20 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA84066 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:21:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA25798 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:20:39 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA35819; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:20:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA06189; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:20:34 -0500 (EST) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA20930; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:25:00 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:25:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199901181725.LAA20930@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com CC: davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com, ralf@uni-koblenz.de, ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, richard@infopact.nl In-reply-to: <199901181040.CAA33736@oz.engr.sgi.com> (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com X-Windows: The defacto substandard. References: <199901181040.CAA33736@oz.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 387 Lines: 12 > The binary compatibility FUD is ironic considering > that they have broken binary compatibility as well as source > compatibility so many times in their history (m68k -> SPARC > SPARC - x86, SunOs -> Solaris) believe me I know since I've > been a Sun customer and an ISV. You forgot the breakage in the various Solaris 2.n->2.n+1 At least the 2.4->2.5 was painful for me Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 09:30:13 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA84773 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:30:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA54717 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:29:05 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA60483 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:29:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (bpxterm.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.243.164]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA04893 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:29:01 -0500 (EST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA01231; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:29:18 +0100 Message-ID: <19990118182918.B859@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:29:18 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SGI/Linux press References: <19990118181002.A859@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <19990118181002.A859@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 06:10:02PM +0100 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 336 Lines: 13 On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 06:10:02PM +0100, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > More press about SGI and Linux. This is available on > http://www.nwfusion.com/news/1999/0118linux2.html. > > Grass-roots effort pulls SGI toward Linux > > By Deni Connor > Network World, 01/18/99 Forgot that Deni Connor's email is dconnor@nww.com ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 11:32:40 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA87245 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:32:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA14061 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:31:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA79753 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:31:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from mdaxp1.umassd.edu (MDAxp1.UMassD.Edu [134.88.120.66]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA05463 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:31:49 -0500 (EST) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu by umassd.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #22746) with ESMTP id <01J6OTWQPHNQ8WWIJ9@umassd.edu> for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:31:47 EST Received: from matthias by us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu with local (Exim 1.92 #1 (Debian)) id 102KOJ-0000Gb-00; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:31:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:31:14 -0500 From: Matthias Kleinschmidt Subject: compiling kernel To: SGI/Linux mailing list Message-id: <19990118143114.A988@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Mail-Followup-To: SGI/Linux mailing list Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3514 Lines: 84 --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I try to compile my own kernel for my Indy. I got the sources from cvs yesterday and made=20 make config make dep make clean make vmlinux It compiles fine but it will not boot. I get the following message: >> boot vmlinux = =20 115360+19600+3136+334528+42744d+4248+6368 entry: 0x89fa8840 = =20 = =20 Exception: = =20 Status register: 0x30004803= =20 Cause register: 0x8008 = =20 Exception PC: 0x8810fa1c, Exception RA: 0x8800260c = =20 exception, bad address: 0x7 = =20 Local I/O interrupt register 1: 0x80 = =20 Saved user regs in hex (&gpda 0xa8740e48, &_regs 0xa8741048): = =20 arg: 7 89fff938 89fffc40 880025dc = =20 tmp: 8816010c 8816010c 10 881189c8 14 89fad9e0 0 48 = =20 sve: 89fdf3e8 89fffc40 89fb2720 89fff938 a8747420 9fc56394 0 9fc56394 = =20 t8 48 t9 89fffe54 at 1 v0 0 v1 89fff890 k1 bad11bad = =20 gp 881bc4a0 fp 9fc4be88 sp 89fff890 ra 8800260c = =20 = =20 PANIC: Unexpected exception = =20 I used the Indy running Linux 2.1.121 from ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test and egcs-1.0.2 from hardhat and also my i586 with the crosscompiler from ftp.linux.sgi.com with the same results. The vmlinux-indy-2.1.121.tar.gz boots fine. What am I doing wrong? Regards Matthias --=20 Matthias Kleinschmidt Cedar Dell 568B, Box 5398 UMass Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Rd. North Dartmouth, MA 02747 email: matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNqOMAsXMHXe35ITFAQG4EAP9H+R5hAV508OXOqdx5ypxn/38W2iFtZVM BtDsrGgwEHfewj3aqMSngDGSlSym9NiMsgYMYCaqX8UxQ/e1JqqAfIxe4sZCobJa xkIMEOMvZh7FyaOtZMBSwxK+fDii7APILzCVKLmV9f7rXPm32L8pswIqAQ2Vl3md y4Felz42v2s= =jZN3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 11:59:52 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA92805 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:59:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA05175 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:59:02 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA78400 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:59:00 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA00401 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:58:58 -0500 (EST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA01406; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:59:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:59:01 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Matthias Kleinschmidt cc: SGI/Linux mailing list Subject: Re: compiling kernel In-Reply-To: <19990118143114.A988@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1125 Lines: 23 On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Matthias Kleinschmidt wrote: > It compiles fine but it will not boot. I get the following message: > >> boot vmlinux > 115360+19600+3136+334528+42744d+4248+6368 entry: 0x89fa8840 > > Exception: This is usually because you didn't remove the "-N" in arch/mips/Makefile or similiar. It's in the FAQ, but I keep forgetting that myself. My problem is when I build the kernel, I get nothing at all. I get the first line, something like: 115360+19600+3136+334528+42744d+4248+6368 entry: 0x89fa8840 then a blank line, then a total hang, mouse and keybaord included. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 12:12:18 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA42492 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:12:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA91907 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:11:36 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA70697 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:11:33 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA01045 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:11:33 -0500 (EST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26585 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.01) with ESMTP id F5RUR700.14I; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:11:31 -0800 Message-ID: <36A395C4.1EE6A62E@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:12:52 -0500 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Just Another Snake Cult X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.0-pre7-ac1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex deVries CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: compiling kernel References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 312 Lines: 11 Alex deVries wrote: > This is usually because you didn't remove the "-N" in arch/mips/Makefile > or similiar. It's in the FAQ, but I keep forgetting that myself. So can we detect the bad versions of binutils and automatically set the LDFLAGS correctly? I'm tired of forgetting. =) Mike -- 89428.19 72624.98 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 17 23:50:18 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA96056 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:50:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA48969 for linux-list; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:49:31 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from deliverator.sgi.com (deliverator.sgi.com [150.166.91.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA65705 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:49:24 -0800 (PST) mail_from (deliverator.sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by deliverator.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980310.SGI-aspam) via ESMTP id OAA07151 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:02:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:10:45 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m102MsT-002OzmC; Mon, 18 Jan 99 23:10 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA03631; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:40:58 +0100 Message-ID: <19990118224057.A3501@alpha.franken.de> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:40:57 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: Alex deVries , SGI Linux Subject: Re: Problems getting 2.1.131 to build. References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 01:57:31AM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 516 Lines: 14 On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 01:57:31AM -0500, Alex deVries wrote: > Ah, I see. Just disabled SGI RTC support, and it builds. Binaries > tomorrow. wrong solution, disable "Enhanced Real Time Clock Support" and let SGI RTC enabled. It's possible, that this is the cause for your boot problem. Thomas. -- This device has completely bogus header. Compaq scores again :-| It's a host bridge, but it should be called ghost bridge instead ;^) [Martin `MJ' Mares on linux-kernel] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 20:45:47 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA03564 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:45:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA93538 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:44:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA67968; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:44:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from mail128.detroit.sgi.com (mail128.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.42]) by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id XAA07862; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from detroit.sgi.com (cx1.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.130.4]) by mail128.detroit.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA18712; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:44:45 -0500 Message-ID: <36A40CBE.F55CA9F1@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:40:30 -0500 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David S. Miller" CC: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, richard@infopact.nl Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com References: <369F8C88.39CC6B03@infopact.nl> <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> <19990115225918.25643@uni-koblenz.de> <199901160321.TAA11493@dm.cobaltmicro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2882 Lines: 68 Im not an official spokes person by any stretch of anyones's imagination, but the dream of IRIX binary compatability on an NT X86 architecture system is a pipe dream. Sun gets away with it by running Solaris on X86. I seriously doubt IRIX be ported to x86 any time in the near future, if ever. Again, I'm not the guy who makes the decision. I don't work for the group that makes the decision or has anything to do with helping make the decision. As for "screwing their customers", ask Sun when they are going to support NT on any of their systems. At least SGI is making it possible to start thinking about doing UNIX environment kinds of tasks in the NT world rather than snubbing their nose at the people who have made the business decision to migrate to that environment. As for "no UNIX story" on the 320 or 540 hardware, all I can say is that there have been a lot of Linux rumors. Nothing substantiated. HP uses Intel CPU's. Compaq now owns DEC. Who says SGI has to own the company that makes the CPU's we put in our systems? For being an SGI supporter, this sure sounds like Sun FUD, IMHO. EAK. "David S. Miller" wrote: > > From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:59:18 +0100 > > Seconded. SGI (and actually the whole industry) is _W_A_Y_ more > OSS friendly than /. rumors say. > > Although I am a supporter of SGI and I understand their friendlyness > to the community, I do have to state that the rumors and feelings are > unsurprising given that: > > 1) SGI has no UNIX story (yet) on their new hardware. > 2) SGI has no binary compatability story on the new hardware for > customers who have made an investment in their MIPS line. > (Sun will be acquiring what SGI has (ability to execute x86 > binaries) in the very near future in their Sparc processors, > without screwing their customers over the way SGI is at the > moment... I can't say how they'll do it, but all I can say is > that they are doing it the right way) > > And todays announcement of how much of their MIPS investment stake > they are getting rid of, will only amplify how people feel about the > above. > > So if SGI has some exciting news for us OSS people in the pipeline, > and they are just holding off for "the right time", I think this is a > miscalculated delay and will hurt them tremendously. The sooner the > better, is anyone listening? > > Later, > David S. Miller > davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com -- ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau eak@detroit.sgi.com Field Technical Support SGI 39001 W. 12 Mile Rd. Farmington, MI 48331-2903 Vox:(248)848-4455 Fax:(248)848-5600 VNET:6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up..." http://support.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 21:02:45 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA01709 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:02:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA75359 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:01:59 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA52701 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:01:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id VAA05019 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:01:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17672 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.01) with ESMTP id F5SJB600.86J for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:01:54 -0800 Message-ID: <36A4120E.2FF847E0@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:03:10 -0500 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Just Another Snake Cult X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.0-pre7-ac1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: indigo2 extreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 392 Lines: 12 So I've got a decent deal on an indigo2[*] with the extreme kit lined up, and I'm wondering how much I'll regret it if I go ahead and purchase it. Will I live to see it run Linux? Will I be able to use the x86 EISA code to get started? [*] R4400 @ 200 MHz, 80 MB RAM, 1GB drive, SCSI floppy, internal zip drive, 20" monitor, $1250 US + shipping. Good deal? Mike -- 121025.89 101644.27 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 21:18:45 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA08584 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:18:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA83315 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:17:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA84476; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:17:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com) Received: from dm.cobaltmicro.com (dm.cobaltmicro.com [209.133.34.35]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id VAA01700; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:17:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com) Received: (from davem@localhost) by dm.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17644; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:19:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:19:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199901190519.VAA17644@dm.cobaltmicro.com> From: "David S. Miller" To: eak@detroit.sgi.com CC: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, richard@infopact.nl In-reply-to: <36A40CBE.F55CA9F1@detroit.sgi.com> (message from Eric Kimminau on Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:40:30 -0500) Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com References: <369F8C88.39CC6B03@infopact.nl> <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> <19990115225918.25643@uni-koblenz.de> <199901160321.TAA11493@dm.cobaltmicro.com> <36A40CBE.F55CA9F1@detroit.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3158 Lines: 74 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:40:30 -0500 From: Eric Kimminau As for "screwing their customers", ask Sun when they are going to support NT on any of their systems. Never, whats so wrong with that? To quote their VP of desktops "One more Linux user is one less NT user." I think this makes their stance on NT pretty obvious. Also look at their position in the M$ trial. They have things like WABI, which runs on Sparc right now, so if you just need the M$ applications, you can run them. At least SGI is making it possible to start thinking about doing UNIX environment kinds of tasks in the NT world rather than snubbing their nose at the people who have made the business decision to migrate to that environment. If everyone jumps off a bridge, should we follow right after them? I think the problem is the direction of the thinking here. Why do we need to bring Unix to NT, if all users want is both environments and the applications, then bring NT to Unix since we know Unix is better (sic) and has fewer fallacies than NT does. As for "no UNIX story" on the 320 or 540 hardware, all I can say is that there have been a lot of Linux rumors. Nothing substantiated. And here is the point I was trying to make, rumors aren't going to get anywhere. SGI is taking too long to commit if they do have something in the pipeline, everything is up in the air, and the best this does is either: 1) Give the rumors (right or wrong) more weight than an official statement, until such a statement is made. 2) Put question marks above the heads of everyone else. HP uses Intel CPU's. Compaq now owns DEC. Who says SGI has to own the company that makes the CPU's we put in our systems? I never said that. All I said was that it would have been wiser to give users a one SGI platform family migration scheme, ie. have a family of MIPS machine that ran what the next generation machine would (even if only at such a level to assure successful ports)... It's like the difference between: 1) A bomb is about to drop, assume the position. and 2) A bomb is dropping in a month, here are the tools and resources to build a shelter for yourselves so you are prepared. For being an SGI supporter, this sure sounds like Sun FUD, IMHO. I am a supporter, but this does not mean I need to close my eyes when I believe very bad decisions are being made. That would make me a sheep. I think SGI's stalling is a mistake, so I'm going to talk about it. When I was an intern at SGI, I told people things like this. I'm very outspoken, and I'll tell people when they make mistakes, and I'll also make suggestions about future decisions when I am listened to about such matters. The "everyone else's shit stinks except mine" mentality has been the source of failure behind a few engineering teams and companies out there. I think SGI is doing some cool stuff, the hardware looks impressive. I also think Sun is doing a lot of nice stuff too. I choose to learn from what both of them are doing, instead of being a blind pundit for one or the other. Later, David S. Miller davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 21:54:20 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA81368 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:54:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA46057 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:53:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.141]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id VAA75030; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:53:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA08758; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:53:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:53:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199901190553.VAA08758@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Mike Shaver Cc: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: Re: indigo2 extreme In-Reply-To: <36A4120E.2FF847E0@netscape.com> References: <36A4120E.2FF847E0@netscape.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 655 Lines: 14 Mike Shaver writes: > So I've got a decent deal on an indigo2[*] with the extreme kit lined > up, and I'm wondering how much I'll regret it if I go ahead and purchase > it. Will I live to see it run Linux? Will I be able to use the x86 > EISA code to get started? ... As has been discussed here a number of times, the Indigo2 is not too different from an Indy. The Extreme graphics, however, are a challenge to support with open source software, and I do not yet have authorization to release the hardware specifications for the EISA interface either (although I keeping working on being able to release all the hardware specifications). From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 18 22:34:13 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA12690 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:34:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA03882 for linux-list; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:33:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA98779 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:33:28 -0800 (PST) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from mdaxp1.umassd.edu (MDAxp1.UMassD.Edu [134.88.120.66]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA02374 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:33:27 -0800 (PST) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu by umassd.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #22746) with ESMTP id <01J6PH116PV68Y5HAY@umassd.edu> for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:33:25 EST Received: from matthias by us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu with local (Exim 1.92 #1 (Debian)) id 102Uif-0002Qv-00; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:32:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:32:57 -0500 From: Matthias Kleinschmidt Subject: Re: compiling kernel In-reply-to: ; from Alex deVries on Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 02:59:01PM -0500 To: SGI/Linux mailing list Message-id: <19990119013257.A9273@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=wac7ysb48OaltWcw Mail-Followup-To: SGI/Linux mailing list References: <19990118143114.A988@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1644 Lines: 54 --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 02:59:01PM -0500, Alex deVries wrote: > This is usually because you didn't remove the "-N" in arch/mips/Makefile > or similiar. It's in the FAQ, but I keep forgetting that myself. Thank you. That helped. I read about this a few weeks ago but since I was far away from compiling a kernel back then I did not remember it. > My problem is when I build the kernel, I get nothing at all. I get the > first line, something like: >=20 > 115360+19600+3136+334528+42744d+4248+6368 entry: 0x89fa8840 = =20 >=20 > then a blank line, then a total hang, mouse and keybaord included. Looks like the console output is going to a serial line. Can you connect over the network. I do not have a keyboard, mouse and monitor. I get the console output to the serial line. Right now I get the output to my terminal but I can't get a login prompt. However I can connect over the network. Regards Matthias =20 --=20 Matthias Kleinschmidt Cedar Dell 568B, Box 5398 UMass Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Rd. North Dartmouth, MA 02747 email: matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNqQnGMXMHXe35ITFAQEPugP+Pe4BmbaBvSDWd7GghT15oxVbYIticrKq S6kLDuZwktdXpFi+N6HsgyRgaYXbDHPDJ4ZrkMjtT3Y2bsmrdlpnswX97YF7JZQe Acb2WI5SqYKzi340W4bXKpJz8PK61B9908sckfPQ+AKDpgh0AjQgs/0tvgnmuRuv pNwl3lzy+0U= =iu9g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wac7ysb48OaltWcw-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 02:06:42 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA10118 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:06:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA41326 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:05:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA52644 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:05:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA38110 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:05:49 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199901191005.CAA38110@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Hillarious Linux/MS story To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:05:49 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 218 Lines: 10 Want a good laugh ? Check out: http://www.netcraft.com.au/geoffrey/toshiba.html Thanks to Bent for bringing this to my attention. Reminds me of Mike Shaver's Dell's story about two years back. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 02:14:27 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA18039 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:14:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA14868 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:13:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA50108 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:13:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (ip39.cb.resolution.de [195.30.142.39]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA02106 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:13:45 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA08318; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:14:00 +0100 Message-ID: <19990119111357.D454@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:13:57 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Mike Shaver , "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: Re: indigo2 extreme References: <36A4120E.2FF847E0@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <36A4120E.2FF847E0@netscape.com>; from Mike Shaver on Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 12:03:10AM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 783 Lines: 17 On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 12:03:10AM -0500, Mike Shaver wrote: > So I've got a decent deal on an indigo2[*] with the extreme kit lined > up, and I'm wondering how much I'll regret it if I go ahead and purchase > it. Will I live to see it run Linux? Will I be able to use the x86 > EISA code to get started? Bill Earles already answered the rest of the question. As far as EISA goes I cannot imagine that there will be serious problems, EISA support for other machines was pretty much straight forward. The unfun part of dealing with (E)ISA cards in such an environment will be to fix byteorder problems and the cache coherence in all DMA drivers. The really unfun part will be to deal with boards which need to be initialized by the BIOS or needs BIOS access otherwise. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 03:18:39 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA18821 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:18:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA45140 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:17:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA02118; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:17:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (dmerchan@hiwaay.net) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id DAA05433; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:17:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (dmerchan@hiwaay.net) Received: from hiwaay.net (tnt1-26.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.26]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id FAA10269; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:17:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36A46AAE.16FDA4C9@hiwaay.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:21:18 -0600 From: dmanddmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David S. Miller" CC: eak@detroit.sgi.com, ralf@uni-koblenz.de, ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, richard@infopact.nl Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com References: <369F8C88.39CC6B03@infopact.nl> <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> <19990115225918.25643@uni-koblenz.de> <199901160321.TAA11493@dm.cobaltmicro.com> <36A40CBE.F55CA9F1@detroit.sgi.com> <199901190519.VAA17644@dm.cobaltmicro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3955 Lines: 92 Personally, since SGI made the questionable decision to port to NT, I wish they would commit to AMD's processors instead of Intels. The K7 is going to be a real screamer and at significantly lower prices than Intel, always at least 25% less by company dictate. Their floating point has nearly caught up with Intel, too. I also wish that SGI would put Irix or Linux with all the Irix tools on the PC-based box. Porting to NT alone is probably not enough to save the company. It didn't work for Intergraph. BTW, how does the graphic performance on the VPC compare to, say, Reality Engine or Infinite Reality? David M. David S. Miller wrote: > > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:40:30 -0500 > From: Eric Kimminau > > As for "screwing their customers", ask Sun when they are going to > support NT on any of their systems. > > Never, whats so wrong with that? To quote their VP of desktops "One > more Linux user is one less NT user." I think this makes their stance > on NT pretty obvious. Also look at their position in the M$ trial. > They have things like WABI, which runs on Sparc right now, so if you > just need the M$ applications, you can run them. > > At least SGI is making it possible to start thinking about doing > UNIX environment kinds of tasks in the NT world rather than > snubbing their nose at the people who have made the business > decision to migrate to that environment. > > If everyone jumps off a bridge, should we follow right after them? > > I think the problem is the direction of the thinking here. Why do we > need to bring Unix to NT, if all users want is both environments and > the applications, then bring NT to Unix since we know Unix is better > (sic) and has fewer fallacies than NT does. > > As for "no UNIX story" on the 320 or 540 hardware, all I can say is > that there have been a lot of Linux rumors. Nothing substantiated. > > And here is the point I was trying to make, rumors aren't going to get > anywhere. SGI is taking too long to commit if they do have something > in the pipeline, everything is up in the air, and the best this does > is either: > > 1) Give the rumors (right or wrong) more weight than an official > statement, until such a statement is made. > 2) Put question marks above the heads of everyone else. > > HP uses Intel CPU's. Compaq now owns DEC. Who says SGI has to own > the company that makes the CPU's we put in our systems? > > I never said that. All I said was that it would have been wiser to > give users a one SGI platform family migration scheme, ie. have a > family of MIPS machine that ran what the next generation machine would > (even if only at such a level to assure successful ports)... It's > like the difference between: > > 1) A bomb is about to drop, assume the position. > > and > > 2) A bomb is dropping in a month, here are the tools and resources to > build a shelter for yourselves so you are prepared. > > For being an SGI supporter, this sure sounds like Sun FUD, IMHO. > > I am a supporter, but this does not mean I need to close my eyes when > I believe very bad decisions are being made. That would make me a > sheep. I think SGI's stalling is a mistake, so I'm going to talk > about it. > > When I was an intern at SGI, I told people things like this. I'm very > outspoken, and I'll tell people when they make mistakes, and I'll also > make suggestions about future decisions when I am listened to about > such matters. > > The "everyone else's shit stinks except mine" mentality has been the > source of failure behind a few engineering teams and companies out > there. I think SGI is doing some cool stuff, the hardware looks > impressive. I also think Sun is doing a lot of nice stuff too. I > choose to learn from what both of them are doing, instead of being a > blind pundit for one or the other. > > Later, > David S. Miller > davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 05:52:37 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA28642 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:52:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA35733 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:51:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA41730 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:51:45 -0800 (PST) mail_from (topcat@develop.nmdg.com) Received: from develop.nmdg.com (develop.nmdg.com [204.120.68.101]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id FAA03771 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:51:44 -0800 (PST) mail_from (topcat@develop.nmdg.com) Received: from [208.3.66.17] (dt092ndb.maine.rr.com [24.93.155.219]) by develop.nmdg.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22005 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:46:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901191346.IAA22005@develop.nmdg.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:11:05 -0500 Subject: Installing Linux on Indy From: "Trevor Jennings" To: Linux SGI Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 940 Lines: 20 Hi, Well, I am new to this mailing list and am thinking of installing Linux on my trusty old Indy and was wondering if there was in fact any other way of installing the hardhat release instead of having another linux box to boot from? I was thinking of downloading the release onto jaz disk and installing it from there, is that possible? I believe it is great that there is a linux port happening for the SGI, especially since I use the computer for home use and spending $600 for a newer Irix (I'm using 5.3) just isnt worth it. Plux the fact the it seems the Indy is getting more popular as a second hand machine and its good to have an alternative OS running on it. Not that there is nothing wrong with Irix, in fact its great!! Just that its so expensive to upgrade! Another reason for installing Linux too is that from using Linux for several years now, I'd like to contribute software to the linux community. Cheers, - Trevor From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 07:14:25 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA31815 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:14:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA59389 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:13:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.columbus.sgi.com (dataserv.columbus.sgi.com [169.238.139.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA50181; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:13:26 -0800 (PST) mail_from (david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com) Received: from carrera.columbus.sgi.com by dataserv.columbus.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id KAA22371; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:13:14 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by carrera.columbus.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA22811; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:05:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:05:27 -0500 (EST) From: david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com (David Watters) Message-Id: <9901191005.ZM37697@carrera.columbus.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: "David S. Miller" "Re: linus.linux.sgi.com" (Jan 18, 9:19pm) References: <369F8C88.39CC6B03@infopact.nl> <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> <19990115225918.25643@uni-koblenz.de> <199901160321.TAA11493@dm.cobaltmicro.com> <36A40CBE.F55CA9F1@detroit.sgi.com> <199901190519.VAA17644@dm.cobaltmicro.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: "David S. Miller" Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com Cc: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, ralf@uni-koblenz.de, richard@infopact.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2646 Lines: 65 On Jan 18, 9:19pm, David S. Miller wrote: > Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:40:30 -0500 > From: Eric Kimminau > > As for "screwing their customers", ask Sun when they are going to > support NT on any of their systems. > > Never, whats so wrong with that? To quote their VP of desktops "One > more Linux user is one less NT user." I think this makes their stance > on NT pretty obvious. Also look at their position in the M$ trial. > They have things like WABI, which runs on Sparc right now, so if you > just need the M$ applications, you can run them. ... > I think the problem is the direction of the thinking here. Why do we > need to bring Unix to NT, if all users want is both environments and > the applications, then bring NT to Unix since we know Unix is better > (sic) and has fewer fallacies than NT does. Everyone has to evaluate a situation from their own perspective. Here is mine as an Engineer on the sales side of SGI: 1) SGI used to get 50%+ of its revenue from CAD/CAM. 2) All CAD/CAM apps have either gone NT as their primary platform or are finishing moving to NT as their primary platform. 3) I have been involved in losses that were soley because we didn't have an NT box, regardless of being nearly 60% faster than a 500MHz Alpha/NT box on a customer benchmark. 4) WABI is neat and we have a pretty good, custom tweaked version of SoftWindows95 but you can't run ProE, SDRC, CATIA, etc. under WABI. So, for a $3-4B company to protect and win back a significant part of its past business and to resume growth, SGI _HAD_ to build an NT box. We all have to cope with that fact. It sure would be nice for that _VERY SMALL_ group of users that want to run UNIX on the 320/540 if there was a Linux port available soon. The question I ask you is would SGI have been wiser and gained back its share of what was once a $1B+ business in CAD/CAM if the 320/540 had run Linux or IRIX out of the gate? Would'n it be cool if all CAD/CAM apps went to Linux as their primary platform and not NT? The problem is that SGI can't spend billions of dollars and put its market focus into a market (CAD on linux) that doesn't exist. Best regards, David (IRIX fan, MIPS fan, but above all SGI graphics fan) -- David Watters | Silicon*Graphics Systems Engineer | http://www.sgi.com/ Silicon Graphics, Inc.| http://reality.sgi.com/davester/ (6/13/97) david.watters@sgi.com | 1.800.800.SGI1 (Sales) 1.800.800.4SGI (Support) DID 1.614.844.3820 | http://www.nintendo.com/ (N64, the $130 SGI!) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 07:39:31 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA31155 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:39:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA64294 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:38:34 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.columbus.sgi.com (dataserv.columbus.sgi.com [169.238.139.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA68024 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:38:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com) Received: from carrera.columbus.sgi.com by dataserv.columbus.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id KAA22488; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:38:29 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by carrera.columbus.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA23239; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:30:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:30:47 -0500 (EST) From: david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com (David Watters) Message-Id: <9901191030.ZM37783@carrera.columbus.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: dmanddmer "Re: linus.linux.sgi.com" (Jan 19, 5:21am) References: <369F8C88.39CC6B03@infopact.nl> <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> <19990115225918.25643@uni-koblenz.de> <199901160321.TAA11493@dm.cobaltmicro.com> <36A40CBE.F55CA9F1@detroit.sgi.com> <199901190519.VAA17644@dm.cobaltmicro.com> <36A46AAE.16FDA4C9@hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: dmanddmer Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1069 Lines: 23 On Jan 19, 5:21am, dmanddmer wrote: > Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com > Personally, since SGI made the questionable decision to port to NT, I > wish they would commit to AMD's processors instead of Intels. SGI couldn't. SGI had to replace so much of the IA/440xx chipset that there had to be a prettty big agreement with Intel covering a lot of issues, machines, processors, and markets to allow SGI to, for example, implement the frontside bus in their own chipset. Don't forget all those Co'op marketing dollars too. -dong ^dong -dong ^^dong > Porting to NT alone is probably not enough to save the company. It > didn't work for Intergraph. Yeah, but Intergraph is lame so they had that working against them too. :) -- David Watters | Silicon*Graphics Systems Engineer | http://www.sgi.com/ Silicon Graphics, Inc.| http://reality.sgi.com/davester/ (6/13/97) david.watters@sgi.com | 1.800.800.SGI1 (Sales) 1.800.800.4SGI (Support) DID 1.614.844.3820 | http://www.nintendo.com/ (N64, the $130 SGI!) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 08:47:22 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA32691 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:47:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA89068 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:46:00 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA06644 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:45:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA08783 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:45:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA13168 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:46:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:46:21 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <36A46AAE.16FDA4C9@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 218 Lines: 11 Do you think we could go back to talking about Linux on SGI instead of having arguments comparing Sun and SGIs business strategies? - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 08:53:40 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA32740 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:53:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA70021 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:52:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA96361; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:52:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA08438; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901191652.IAA08438@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: indigo2 extreme In-Reply-To: <19990119111357.D454@uni-koblenz.de> from "ralf@uni-koblenz.de" at "Jan 19, 99 11:13:57 am" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: shaver@netscape.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 748 Lines: 18 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: | On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 12:03:10AM -0500, Mike Shaver wrote: | | > So I've got a decent deal on an indigo2[*] with the extreme kit lined | > up, and I'm wondering how much I'll regret it if I go ahead and purchase | > it. Will I live to see it run Linux? Will I be able to use the x86 | > EISA code to get started? | | Bill Earles already answered the rest of the question. As far as EISA | goes I cannot imagine that there will be serious problems, EISA support | for other machines was pretty much straight forward. I would expect significant problems. There is a reason that there are very few EISA cards for the indigo2. Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 15:27:15 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA62242 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:27:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA97991 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:25:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA97537 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:25:02 -0800 (PST) mail_from (dmerchan@hiwaay.net) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAB05853 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:24:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (dmerchan@hiwaay.net) Received: from hiwaay.net (tnt2-140.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.140]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA25518 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:24:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36A51517.A24C2BEB@hiwaay.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:28:23 -0600 From: dmanddmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0BD0375297667C7067B8BD23" Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 4018 Lines: 91 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0BD0375297667C7067B8BD23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Btw, I heard a rumor that the memory in the VPC is custom or unique memory. Is this true? How much of the VPC, besides the obvious, is not industry standard? If SGI is attempting solely to require customers to be able to buy any upgrades ONLY from SGI, then SGI has shot itself in the foot again. It did not work for Apple, it didn't work for Unisys, it didn't work for Intergraph. In short, it hasn't worked for anyone. David M. --------------0BD0375297667C7067B8BD23 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA28325 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:44:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA03017; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:43:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA64294 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:38:34 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.columbus.sgi.com (dataserv.columbus.sgi.com [169.238.139.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA68024 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:38:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com) Received: from carrera.columbus.sgi.com by dataserv.columbus.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id KAA22488; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:38:29 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by carrera.columbus.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA23239; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:30:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:30:47 -0500 (EST) From: david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com (David Watters) Message-Id: <9901191030.ZM37783@carrera.columbus.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: dmanddmer "Re: linus.linux.sgi.com" (Jan 19, 5:21am) References: <369F8C88.39CC6B03@infopact.nl> <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> <19990115225918.25643@uni-koblenz.de> <199901160321.TAA11493@dm.cobaltmicro.com> <36A40CBE.F55CA9F1@detroit.sgi.com> <199901190519.VAA17644@dm.cobaltmicro.com> <36A46AAE.16FDA4C9@hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: dmanddmer Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk On Jan 19, 5:21am, dmanddmer wrote: > Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com > Personally, since SGI made the questionable decision to port to NT, I > wish they would commit to AMD's processors instead of Intels. SGI couldn't. SGI had to replace so much of the IA/440xx chipset that there had to be a prettty big agreement with Intel covering a lot of issues, machines, processors, and markets to allow SGI to, for example, implement the frontside bus in their own chipset. Don't forget all those Co'op marketing dollars too. -dong ^dong -dong ^^dong > Porting to NT alone is probably not enough to save the company. It > didn't work for Intergraph. Yeah, but Intergraph is lame so they had that working against them too. :) -- David Watters | Silicon*Graphics Systems Engineer | http://www.sgi.com/ Silicon Graphics, Inc.| http://reality.sgi.com/davester/ (6/13/97) david.watters@sgi.com | 1.800.800.SGI1 (Sales) 1.800.800.4SGI (Support) DID 1.614.844.3820 | http://www.nintendo.com/ (N64, the $130 SGI!) --------------0BD0375297667C7067B8BD23-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 17:32:20 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA84922 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:32:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA71505 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:31:00 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgidal.dallas.sgi.com (sgidal.dallas.sgi.com [169.238.80.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA48743 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:30:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (chad@sgi.com) Received: from roctane.dallas.sgi.com by sgidal.dallas.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id TAA01399; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:29:17 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roctane.dallas.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA07069; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:29:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:29:16 -0600 (CST) From: Chad Carlin X-Sender: chad@roctane.dallas.sgi.com To: dmanddmer cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] In-Reply-To: <36A51517.A24C2BEB@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=------------0BD0375297667C7067B8BD23 Content-ID: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 4634 Lines: 105 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --------------0BD0375297667C7067B8BD23 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: The current mainstream memory offering is 70n/s and we are at 50n/s. The memory is not proprietary - any manufacturer could buy it if their system could drive it fast enough! Chad Carlin Silicon Graphics Inc. chad@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/chad On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, dmanddmer wrote: ->Btw, I heard a rumor that the memory in the VPC is custom or unique ->memory. Is this true? How much of the VPC, besides the obvious, is not ->industry standard? If SGI is attempting solely to require customers to ->be able to buy any upgrades ONLY from SGI, then SGI has shot itself in ->the foot again. It did not work for Apple, it didn't work for Unisys, ->it didn't work for Intergraph. In short, it hasn't worked for anyone. -> ->David M. --------------0BD0375297667C7067B8BD23 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Content-Description: Received: from sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA28325 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:44:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA03017; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:43:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA64294 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:38:34 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.columbus.sgi.com (dataserv.columbus.sgi.com [169.238.139.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA68024 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:38:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com) Received: from carrera.columbus.sgi.com by dataserv.columbus.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id KAA22488; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:38:29 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by carrera.columbus.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA23239; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:30:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:30:47 -0500 (EST) From: david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com (David Watters) Message-Id: <9901191030.ZM37783@carrera.columbus.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: dmanddmer "Re: linus.linux.sgi.com" (Jan 19, 5:21am) References: <369F8C88.39CC6B03@infopact.nl> <199901151909.LAA23245@oz.engr.sgi.com> <19990115225918.25643@uni-koblenz.de> <199901160321.TAA11493@dm.cobaltmicro.com> <36A40CBE.F55CA9F1@detroit.sgi.com> <199901190519.VAA17644@dm.cobaltmicro.com> <36A46AAE.16FDA4C9@hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: dmanddmer Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk On Jan 19, 5:21am, dmanddmer wrote: > Subject: Re: linus.linux.sgi.com > Personally, since SGI made the questionable decision to port to NT, I > wish they would commit to AMD's processors instead of Intels. SGI couldn't. SGI had to replace so much of the IA/440xx chipset that there had to be a prettty big agreement with Intel covering a lot of issues, machines, processors, and markets to allow SGI to, for example, implement the frontside bus in their own chipset. Don't forget all those Co'op marketing dollars too. -dong ^dong -dong ^^dong > Porting to NT alone is probably not enough to save the company. It > didn't work for Intergraph. Yeah, but Intergraph is lame so they had that working against them too. :) -- David Watters | Silicon*Graphics Systems Engineer | http://www.sgi.com/ Silicon Graphics, Inc.| http://reality.sgi.com/davester/ (6/13/97) david.watters@sgi.com | 1.800.800.SGI1 (Sales) 1.800.800.4SGI (Support) DID 1.614.844.3820 | http://www.nintendo.com/ (N64, the $130 SGI!) --------------0BD0375297667C7067B8BD23-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 18:06:22 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA91525 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:06:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA45417 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:05:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA58473 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:05:02 -0800 (PST) mail_from (job@piquin.uchicago.edu) Received: from piquin.uchicago.edu (piquin.uchicago.edu [128.135.132.47]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id SAA04197 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:05:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (job@piquin.uchicago.edu) Received: from piquin.uchicago.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by piquin.uchicago.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA14601; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:04:56 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199901200204.UAA14601@piquin.uchicago.edu> To: Chad Carlin cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, nldesai@dsmserver.uchicago.edu, ellidz@eridu.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] In-Reply-To: Message from Chad Carlin of "Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:29:16 CST." Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:04:55 -0600 From: job bogan Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1917 Lines: 47 Your message dated: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:29:16 CST >The current mainstream memory offering is 70n/s and we are at 50n/s. The memo >ry is not proprietary - any manufacturer could buy it if their system could dr >ive it fast enough! pardon me but... Cut the SGI - "We Are Better Than God, Bow Before Our I/O" crap. Lots of PCs use 10ns SDRAM and 6ns SDRAM all of the time. And there is plenty of memory saturation happening on those systems. Trust me. We do it all the time w/ scientific matrix code. Humm, a look at the glossies for the 320 and 540 make it look like all of SGI is working off a typo. It lists: * 100 MHz (50 ns) ECC synchronous dynamic RAM (SDRAM) that should read 5ns. and beyond that, lots of people sell 100Mhz capable SDRAM. (eg http://www.memoryx.com/generic.htm) Anyhow, the only things that seem different from the std garage built PC are: Video expandable to 1/2gb of ram (though this looks like it's running off the system ram, not dedicated ram. not a bad thing, but it kills the system bus. and it's a bit misleading) 2 64-bit PCI busses 540 uses a WTX tower case. (320 uses ATX) 540 has SCA scsi disk bays. I wonder if i'll need $700 drive sleds... Video Capture card (S-Video, RCA. in/out) USB Keyboard & Mouse (this currently limits linux support - USB is alpha'ish) video connector for the SGI LCD Display 2 firewire ports. not hard to do, just pointless for the next 6months. I might buy some if they are competitive w/ plain old white Linux boxes. Esp. if they have good OpenGL performance under Linux. They would be more interesting if they had a craylink type high speed connector that could be used ala myrinet for making Beowulf clusters. job ps - 540 has 4 DIMM slots, the 320 2 slots. -- John Bogan Director of Computing 773-702-2588 James Franck Institute 5640 South Ellis Ave University of Chicago Chicago, Il 60637 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 18:29:48 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA92505 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:29:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA72783 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:28:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from morgaine.engr.sgi.com (morgaine.engr.sgi.com [130.62.16.64]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA74183 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:28:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (offer@morgaine.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from offer@localhost) by morgaine.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA21834 for linux@cthulhu; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:28:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:28:50 -0800 (PST) From: offer@morgaine.engr.sgi.com (Richard Offer) Message-Id: <9901191828.ZM20761@morgaine.engr.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: job bogan "Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com]" (Jan 19, 8:04pm) References: <199901200204.UAA14601@piquin.uchicago.edu> X-Signature: Automatically generated by Richards Own Mail Signer (roms) X-Home-Page: http://reality.sgi.com/offer X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1674 Lines: 55 * $ from job@piquin.uchicago.edu at "19-Jan: 8:04pm" | sed "1,$s/^/* /" * * * Your message dated: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:29:16 CST * * >The current mainstream memory offering is 70n/s and we are at 50n/s. The memo * >ry is not proprietary - any manufacturer could buy it if their system could dr * >ive it fast enough! * * pardon me but... * Cut the SGI - "We Are Better Than God, Bow Before Our I/O" crap. * * Lots of PCs use 10ns SDRAM and 6ns SDRAM all of the time. Well, I couldn't see anything faster than 60ns on Kingstons store. http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/kepler/specs.asp * * Humm, a look at the glossies for the 320 and 540 make it look like all * of SGI is working off a typo. It lists: * * 100 MHz (50 ns) ECC synchronous dynamic RAM (SDRAM) * that should read 5ns. and beyond that, lots of people sell 100Mhz * capable SDRAM. (eg http://www.memoryx.com/generic.htm) I'd guess that their 10ns is a misprint as its cheap and listed in the PC-66 section. Isn't 100Mhz and 50ns a measure of two different things ? This is meant as a serious question, as I don't know. But, I'd guess that one is the refresh and one the time to access ? * * I might buy some if they are competitive w/ plain old white Linux boxes. How do you measure 'competitive' ? For me, they aren't; for my next-cubicle neighbour they would be. Luckily we don't live in a one size (hardware/software) fits all world. * job * richard. _______________________________________________________________________ A guest signature by Dan Boyd (boyd at cs.buffalo.edu) A competent sysadmin can turn any task into one resembling system administration and requiring a Makefile. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 18:36:59 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA33089 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:36:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA86025 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:36:21 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from mailbox.esd.sgi.com (mailbox.esd.sgi.com [130.62.72.15]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA86073 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:36:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (kck@mailbox.esd.sgi.com) Received: by mailbox.esd.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA12779; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:36:03 -0800 (PST) From: kck@mailbox.esd.sgi.com (Ken Klingman) Message-Id: <199901200236.SAA12779@mailbox.esd.sgi.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] To: offer@morgaine.engr.sgi.com (Richard Offer) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:36:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <9901191828.ZM20761@morgaine.engr.sgi.com> from "Richard Offer" at Jan 19, 99 06:28:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 310 Lines: 9 The VW 320 and 540 use 288-bit wide synchronous DRAM, clocked at 100MHz. 288 bits means it's not your everyday PC SDRAM. That's 256 bits for data and 32 for ECC. 256bits = 32 bytes at 100MHz = 3.2GB/sec theoretically possible between the memory system and Cobalt, the memory controller/graphics ASIC. Ken From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 19:03:02 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA04087 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:03:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA77097 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:02:00 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA10703; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:01:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (job@piquin.uchicago.edu) Received: from piquin.uchicago.edu (piquin.uchicago.edu [128.135.132.47]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id TAA07073; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:01:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (job@piquin.uchicago.edu) Received: from piquin.uchicago.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by piquin.uchicago.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA14922; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:01:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199901200301.VAA14922@piquin.uchicago.edu> To: offer@morgaine.engr.sgi.com (Richard Offer) cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, ellidz@eridu.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] In-Reply-To: Message from offer@morgaine.engr.sgi.com (Richard Offer) of "Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:28:50 PST." <9901191828.ZM20761@morgaine.engr.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:01:49 -0600 From: job bogan Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2471 Lines: 61 Your message dated: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:28:50 PST >Well, I couldn't see anything faster than 60ns on Kingstons store. >http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/kepler/specs.asp 100MHz is the bus speed. to meet that, you need ~5-6ns access times. Kingston does list 100MHz memory. >I'd guess that their 10ns is a misprint as its cheap and listed in the PC-66 >section. look in the PC100 section. that's the Lintel world acronym for 100MHz capable ram. And, yes, it's cheap. That's the point. =) If you are using ECC, the worst i'll see is a hung machine. and judging by previous SGI prices, i can buy twice as much 3rd party ram as SGI ram. >Isn't 100Mhz and 50ns a measure of two different things ? This is meant as a >serious question, as I don't know. But, I'd guess that one is the refresh and >one the time to access ? nope. see the stuff above. If you want more info, bug me off the list. >* I might buy some if they are competitive w/ plain old white Linux boxes. > >How do you measure 'competitive' ? For me, they aren't; for my next-cubicle >neighbour they would be. Luckily we don't live in a one size >(hardware/software) fits all world. I know, it's a tough question. Competative, in my realm, is floating point performance based. Specificly, Big (100's of MB) matrix manipulations. Lately, generic PCs and sun E450's have won our $. Both well outperform SGIs for the cost. (both O2000 or O200 based. we have some of each around...) NT as the only OS for the SGI 540/320 means they are not competitive. We cannot dedicate, and waste, that much CPU to one person's desktop. If NT had a good remote user (ssh, telnet, hell a remote queuing system) interface, we might look at them. The lack of true multi-user and non-console interfaces in NT just takes these SGIs off the chart until linux runs on them. And once it's there, i see no reason to buy them unless i can get the Video Performance out of them. (unless, perhaps, they clean up on raw cpu due to a cleaned up system bus.) i've never been the world's biggest SGI/Irix fan. But - for my env., and most of the Academic world, i just don't see these as viable machines until Linux or Irix runs on them. egh... you may be able to get the CAD/CAM market back, but i don't see us buying more SGIs soon. Anyhow, this is offtopic now. job -- John Bogan Director of Computing 773-702-2588 James Franck Institute 5640 South Ellis Ave University of Chicago Chicago, Il 60637 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 19:09:01 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA04037 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:09:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA55659 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:08:24 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com (xtp.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.34]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA04086 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:08:21 -0800 (PST) mail_from (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id TAA20789; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:08:20 -0800 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9901191908.ZM20787@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:08:19 -0800 In-Reply-To: offer@morgaine (Richard Offer) "Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com]" (Jan 19, 6:28pm) References: <199901200204.UAA14601@piquin.uchicago.edu> <9901191828.ZM20761@morgaine.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: offer@morgaine.engr.sgi.com (Richard Offer), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 319 Lines: 10 This is a case of rocket brains getting confused by misleading specs in the commodity world: a 50ns dram or sdram is very fast - that refers to the cycle time of the internal dram core whereas a PCI-100 compliant memory must operate on a 100 Mhz (10ns) bus and needs a latch time better than 10ns. g -- Greg Chesson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 19:35:23 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA01698 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:35:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA13915 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:34:27 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgidal.dallas.sgi.com (sgidal.dallas.sgi.com [169.238.80.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA15446 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:34:25 -0800 (PST) mail_from (chad@sgi.com) Received: from roctane.dallas.sgi.com by sgidal.dallas.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id VAA02148; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:32:44 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roctane.dallas.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA07206; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:32:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:32:43 -0600 (CST) From: Chad Carlin X-Sender: chad@roctane.dallas.sgi.com To: job bogan cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] In-Reply-To: <199901200204.UAA14601@piquin.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1443998914-1763575553-916803163=:7100" Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 4661 Lines: 81 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1443998914-1763575553-916803163=:7100 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ->Lots of PCs use 10ns SDRAM and 6ns SDRAM all of the time. And there is A->plenty of memory saturation happening on those systems. Trust me. We ->do it all the time w/ scientific matrix code. I appologize for the way I came accross. I meant no offense. Nor did I mean to suggest that your applications were unable to tax the memory subsystem of a variety of manufacturers PCs. To be candid, I have spent very little time with specs for PC memory. I also believed that I said "mainstream" not record setting. ->pardon me but... ->Cut the SGI - "We Are Better Than God, Bow Before Our I/O" crap. I would never suggest that you bow before our IO either. Some people need it, some don't. Not really my place to make that determination for you. Though, you have to admit that we do a pretty good job for those apps that really need it. ->Humm, a look at the glossies for the 320 and 540 make it look like all ->of SGI is working off a typo. It lists: -> * 100 MHz (50 ns) ECC synchronous dynamic RAM (SDRAM) ->that should read 5ns. and beyond that, lots of people sell 100Mhz ->capable SDRAM. (eg http://www.memoryx.com/generic.htm) That's the problem with the internet, no real way to verify your sources. That email could have come from a temp janitor on his last day. I really don't know any of the specifics or part numbers. That would be something to ask your sales rep. ->Anyhow, the only things that seem different from the std garage built PC ->are: ->Video expandable to 1/2gb of ram (though this looks like it's running -> off the system ram, not dedicated ram. not a bad thing, but it -> kills the system bus. and it's a bit misleading) Much cheaper that raster managers. As more information comes out about the architecture of the new systems, I'll think you might change your mind. I've seen the some of the overviews and it looks impressive. Keep an eye out for something about io being gu aranteed in the hardware. ->2 64-bit PCI busses ->540 uses a WTX tower case. (320 uses ATX) ->540 has SCA scsi disk bays. I wonder if i'll need $700 drive sleds... ->Video Capture card (S-Video, RCA. in/out) ->USB Keyboard & Mouse (this currently limits linux support - USB is -> alpha'ish) Linux problem maybe. Late beta'ish maybe. My mom's iMac is working like a champ though. USB hub and all. ->video connector for the SGI LCD Display ->2 firewire ports. not hard to do, just pointless for the next 6months. Imagine how mad you'd be in 6 months if we didn't include this originally but were preparing to sell it to you as an upgrade. ->I might buy some if they are competitive w/ plain old white Linux boxes. ->Esp. if they have good OpenGL performance under Linux. Haven't gotten to play with hardware accellerated OpenGl on many "plain old white Linux boxes". How do they do? We'd be happy to forward the data to marketing. ->They would be ->more interesting if they had a craylink type high speed connector that ->could be used ala myrinet for making Beowulf clusters. Did you know we're are already getting criticized for distributing a CD, with NT (service pak4) custom burned to include our GFX drivers. They are saying that we are being too proprietary. Can you imagine the beating we would take for custom building non- industry standard PC hardware (that would probably need special RAM). There are choices to be made about what to make custom and what to make generic. I prefer custom but the number of folks that need it enough to pay for it, is not growing as fast as the other segments of the computing markets. Actually, there is a "craylink type high speed connector" coming in the near future. It's called GSN, Giga-Byte System Network. It is not slated to be part of the desktop family though. Once again, I think this technology, while useful by some, would be l argely ignored by the desktop system buying public as being exotic or proprietary. Once again, many appologies. Chad ->Director of Computing 773-702-2588 ->James Franck Institute 5640 South Ellis Ave ->University of Chicago Chicago, Il 60637 ---1443998914-1763575553-916803163=:7100 Content-Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream; name="1." Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: ---1443998914-1763575553-916803163=:7100-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 19 19:58:44 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA02193 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:58:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA27685 for linux-list; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:57:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA73742 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:57:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (kevsgi@deadsquid.com) Received: from mail.deadsquid.com (cpu1037.adsl.bellglobal.com [207.236.110.18]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id TAA02728 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:57:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (kevsgi@deadsquid.com) Received: from mail.deadsquid.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.deadsquid.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA7673 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:48:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: kneedham@sgi.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:48:13 -0500 From: Kev Needham Message-Id: <916804093.mailspinnerdV2.1b1@localhost> To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Much as I like it... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 469 Lines: 14 ..I'm not sure this list is for discussions of specs or OS/arch evangelism (from either side). I like this list because it contains useful information about the group efforts with Linux on MIPS hardware, and not a lot of crap. I'm a reader, not a contributor, so pardon this mail, but as Alex says, can we please stick to Linux? My mailbox and I thank you. Kev -- Kev Needham kneedham@sgi.com Silicon Graphics Canada 613.798.4127 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 02:10:20 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA09303 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:10:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA79411 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:09:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA93002 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:09:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eedthwo@eede.ericsson.se) Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.5]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA00118 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:09:26 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eedthwo@eede.ericsson.se) Received: from eede.ericsson.se (eede.eede.ericsson.se [164.48.127.16]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.0/8.9.0/WIREfire-1.2) with SMTP id LAA12079; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:08:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from sun173.eu (sun173.eede.ericsson.se) by eede.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01976; Wed, 20 Jan 99 11:08:49 +0100 Received: by sun173.eu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA19733; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:08:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:08:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199901201008.LAA19733@sun173.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tom Woelfel To: "Trevor Jennings" Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Installing Linux on Indy In-Reply-To: <199901191346.IAA22005@develop.nmdg.com> References: <199901191346.IAA22005@develop.nmdg.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under 20.2 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: eedthwo@eede.ericsson.se Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2728 Lines: 71 Trevor Jennings writes: > Hi, Hi Trevor, > Well, I am new to this mailing list and am thinking of installing Linux on > my trusty old Indy and was wondering if there was in fact any other way of > installing the hardhat release instead of having another linux box to boot > from? I was thinking of downloading the release onto jaz disk and > installing it from there, is that possible? I believe it is great that there > is a linux port happening for the SGI, especially since I use the computer > for home use and spending $600 for a newer Irix (I'm using 5.3) just isnt > worth it. Plux the fact the it seems the Indy is getting more popular as a > second hand machine and its good to have an alternative OS running on it. > Not that there is nothing wrong with Irix, in fact its great!! Just that its > so expensive to upgrade! Another reason for installing Linux too is that > from using Linux for several years now, I'd like to contribute software to > the linux community. Same problem here: I don't want to buy the very expensive IRIX (I would be glad to get IRIX5.3 without spending a trillion bucks). And so the important question again: Is it possible (will it be possible) to install Linux on an Indy without Irix? Obviously - NO. And the SGI Hype for their new NT-Boxes is floating this mailing list too much. SGI has lost my respect - their treatment of second-hand-machine-buyers is #$%^@#. For an old SGI disk I've searched 1 week in the web to get the jumper-settings to reset the spin-up-delay-at-boot - nothing (The disk was purposed to be built into my PS/2). So I called SGI A call to SGI-Munich a few weeks ago: T: "Hi, i'm desperately seeking for the specs of the disk blabla. Could you please tell me which jumper I have to set to blabla" SGI: "No." T: "You mean, you don't know." SGI: "I mean, you have to pay 380 DM/hour to let us look, if we _have_ the information." T: "I have to pay only for the information that the specs are available or not?" SGI: "Right." T: (On the contrary Hyundai, where I called for the freq-range of an old 14" and get a handmade copy of the complete reference-manual and the Wiring Diagrams - 2 days later) Sorry - this is another off-topic posting - but in the meanwhile I'm a little sick of those SGI-folks only writing about their new VW 320 and 540 and the gigantic milestones of those ..... No major breakthroughs in Linux/SGI - on the mailing list there is a huge traffic ? Something _is_ wrong. //Tom P.S.: I've re-read this mail. And I think it sounds a little bit too angry. But SGI to me as a customer is a disappointment; and the only reason that I haven't sold the Indy yet is that Linux exist for it. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 08:47:28 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA59365 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:47:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA09617 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:46:13 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from odin.corp.sgi.com (fddi-odin.corp.sgi.com [198.29.75.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA09903 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:46:11 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com by odin.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/951211.SGI) for id HAA21084; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:23:15 -0800 Received: from mail128.detroit.sgi.com (mail128.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.42]) by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA02937; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from detroit.sgi.com (cx1.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.130.4]) by mail128.detroit.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA00059; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:23:11 -0500 Message-ID: <36A5F3DE.C94A0FA1@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:18:54 -0500 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dmanddmer CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] References: <36A51517.A24C2BEB@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2601 Lines: 58 Warning! Danger! FUD. FUD. FUD. dmanddmer wrote: > > Btw, I heard a rumor that the memory in the VPC is custom or unique > memory. Is this true? How much of the VPC, besides the obvious, is not > industry standard? If SGI is attempting solely to require customers to > be able to buy any upgrades ONLY from SGI, then SGI has shot itself in > the foot again. It did not work for Apple, it didn't work for Unisys, > it didn't work for Intergraph. In short, it hasn't worked for anyone. > > David M. It is not a rumor. It is fact. The ram being used in the VPC is like the memory in no other PC (that I know of) being manufactured today. You know that SGI has pioneered several mainstream simm/dimm technologies? In fact we hold the patents on a couple I believe. I'll leave it as an excercise to the curious to find out which ones. When you see the size of the 40 pin dimms we use in the VPC and then realize the density they are capable of in less than half the space of currently available dimms, perhaps you will reconsider your position. Every time SGI introduces new ram technology, very shortly Kingston or some other chip vendor starts making them and they are always cheaper than what you can get from SGI directly. Then they start appearing in all the "standard" generic clones. Every new platform we have announced since the Indy has used ram technology that noone else was really using. We use the best technology to gain the highest levels of performance. You can buy Octane and O2 ram at WalMart now, for chrissakes. A quick search for "SGI O2 memory" on any search engine will show you a hundred or so hits. VPC will take a little bit, but you can be sure there will be 3rd party memory sources. How much of the VPC is standard today? large portions. dual PCI bus (get that from a clone) (and what does it cost to get it on a Sun?), the CPU's, serial port, fire wire interfaces, parallel port, video in and out, digital audio with all the standard ports, etc. The important parts, the parts that blow the doors off of every other same-ol, same-ol generic clone PC isn't industry standard, YET. How about you take this elsewhere, please. EAK. -- ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau eak@detroit.sgi.com Field Technical Support SGI 39001 W. 12 Mile Rd. Farmington, MI 48331-2903 Vox:(248)848-4455 Fax:(248)848-5600 VNET:6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up..." http://support.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 08:43:03 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA58429 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:43:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA07868 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:42:28 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from odin.corp.sgi.com (fddi-odin.corp.sgi.com [198.29.75.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA07821 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:42:26 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com by odin.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/951211.SGI) for id IAA28189; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:06:30 -0800 Received: from mail128.detroit.sgi.com (mail128.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.42]) by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA03451; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from detroit.sgi.com (cx1.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.130.4]) by mail128.detroit.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA00355; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:06:24 -0500 Message-ID: <36A5FE00.41428529@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:02:08 -0500 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: job bogan CC: Chad Carlin , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, nldesai@dsmserver.uchicago.edu, ellidz@eridu.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] References: <199901200204.UAA14601@piquin.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 519 Lines: 15 job bogan wrote: > ps - 540 has 4 DIMM slots, the 320 2 slots. pssst. BANKS not SLOTS. -- ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau eak@detroit.sgi.com Field Technical Support SGI 39001 W. 12 Mile Rd. Farmington, MI 48331-2903 Vox:(248)848-4455 Fax:(248)848-5600 VNET:6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up..." http://support.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 08:40:45 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA52002 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:40:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA06121 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:38:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA06104 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:38:46 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from mail128.detroit.sgi.com (mail128.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.42]) by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA03835; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from detroit.sgi.com (cx1.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.130.4]) by mail128.detroit.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA00686; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:38:42 -0500 Message-ID: <36A60591.BFB52FCF@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:34:25 -0500 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eedthwo@eede.ericsson.se CC: Trevor Jennings , Linux SGI Subject: Re: Installing Linux on Indy References: <199901191346.IAA22005@develop.nmdg.com> <199901201008.LAA19733@sun173.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 850 Lines: 22 Tom Woelfel wrote: > For an old SGI disk I've searched 1 week in the web to get the > jumper-settings to reset the spin-up-delay-at-boot - nothing (The > disk was purposed to be built into my PS/2). So I called SGI To call SGI, you need a support contract. This is the way SGI does its support business. If you mail me the part number/model number/manufacturer of the drive, I'll see what I can dig up for you. EAK. -- ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau eak@detroit.sgi.com Field Technical Support SGI 39001 W. 12 Mile Rd. Farmington, MI 48331-2903 Vox:(248)848-4455 Fax:(248)848-5600 VNET:6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up..." http://support.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 09:01:12 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA40359 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:01:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA14979 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:00:21 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA16764 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:00:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA06640 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:00:16 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA07392; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:00:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:00:36 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Tom Woelfel cc: Trevor Jennings , Linux SGI Subject: Re: Installing Linux on Indy In-Reply-To: <199901201008.LAA19733@sun173.eu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 440 Lines: 13 On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Tom Woelfel wrote: > I don't want to buy the very expensive IRIX (I would be glad to get > IRIX5.3 without spending a trillion bucks). And so the important > question again: Is it possible (will it be possible) to install Linux > on an Indy without Irix? Sort of. In the end, you'll have to boot off of the network, and you'll need to install over the network too, but yes, it can all be done without Irix. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 09:55:30 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA63922 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:55:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA11580 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:54:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA11470 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:54:21 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA07547 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:24:45 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22362; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:24:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20873; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:24:17 +0100 (MET) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03825; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:24:17 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19990120182416.P26376@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:24:16 +0100 From: Honza Pazdziora To: Trevor Jennings , Linux SGI Subject: Re: Installing Linux on Indy References: <199901191346.IAA22005@develop.nmdg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199901191346.IAA22005@develop.nmdg.com>; from Trevor Jennings on Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 09:11:05AM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1357 Lines: 24 > > Well, I am new to this mailing list and am thinking of installing Linux on > my trusty old Indy and was wondering if there was in fact any other way of > installing the hardhat release instead of having another linux box to boot > from? I was thinking of downloading the release onto jaz disk and > installing it from there, is that possible? I believe it is great that there To boot the kernel, you need a root. You should be able to boot from a root created from IRIX, I'm however not sure which filesystem you should pickup. You can create a e2fs filesystem from IRIX but I'm not aware of any way to mount the filesystem to copy the root there. For other filesystems, you might need to use cross-compiler to build new kernel. [Maybe somebody else will see easier ways?] So essentially, I'd say the answer is no. Note however that the other computer doesn't need to be Linux box, anything that can do tftp, bootp and nfs will be just fine. I myself boot from our Solaris server. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ The total number of bytes in all expressions in the GROUP BY clause is limited to the size of a data block minus some overhead. --Oracle SQL Ref. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 10:30:07 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA38372 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:30:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA24899 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:29:31 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA24498; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:29:28 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA71231; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:29:27 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901201829.KAA71231@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Installing Linux on Indy In-Reply-To: <199901201008.LAA19733@sun173.eu> from Tom Woelfel at "Jan 20, 99 11:08:48 am" To: eedthwo@eede.ericsson.se Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:29:27 -0800 (PST) Cc: topcat@develop.nmdg.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1185 Lines: 27 Tom Woelfel wrote: | I don't want to buy the very expensive IRIX (I would be glad to get | IRIX5.3 without spending a trillion bucks). And so the important | question again: Is it possible (will it be possible) to install Linux | on an Indy without Irix? Not to cause a flame war, but $600 US isn't all that much (I realize that for somebody who has paid $1000 or less for a used system it can seem like a lot). | For an old SGI disk I've searched 1 week in the web to get the | jumper-settings to reset the spin-up-delay-at-boot - nothing (The | disk was purposed to be built into my PS/2). So I called SGI All the disk drive manufacturers that I know of have web pages for the drive jumper settings. SGI support doesn't have docs on most of them, even the current ones, because nobody ever needs to know; they come setup correctly from the factory. By the way, with only 5 jumpers to play with on most drives, you can usually figure it out in less than 30 minutes. I'm sorry you are so unhappy about it, but it does sound like you are frustrated over things that seem pretty easy to deal with. Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 10:49:13 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA61575 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:49:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA31881 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:48:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA31959 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:48:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from mail128.detroit.sgi.com (mail128.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.42]) by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA06402; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from detroit.sgi.com (cx1.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.130.4]) by mail128.detroit.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA01893; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:48:12 -0500 Message-ID: <36A623EC.7C649041@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:43:56 -0500 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Olson CC: eedthwo@eede.ericsson.se, topcat@develop.nmdg.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Installing Linux on Indy References: <199901201829.KAA71231@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2394 Lines: 51 Dave Olson wrote: > > Tom Woelfel wrote: > | I don't want to buy the very expensive IRIX (I would be glad to get > | IRIX5.3 without spending a trillion bucks). And so the important > | question again: Is it possible (will it be possible) to install Linux > | on an Indy without Irix? > > Not to cause a flame war, but $600 US isn't all that much (I realize > that for somebody who has paid $1000 or less for a used system it can > seem like a lot). Actually, I have been doing a bit of digging for someone else. I don't sell support for SGI, I give support for SGI. That is what I am paid for. Please don't flame me if any of this turns out to be false. I am only trying to help. None of what is written here is legally binding in any way, shape or form. The prices for SGI system and software support that you get for your system is between you and your SGI support contracts representative. All prices are in US dollars. It may be differnt elsewhere. 1) There is currently a promotion running to purchase IRIX 6.5 IF you have at least a Software only support contract. The promotional price is for $165.00 per seat. This promotion ends in a relatively short time. No official end date has been given for the promotion. It was supposed to end 12/31/98 but it has been extended "until further notice". 2) I am awaiting confirmation that you can purchase 1 month of software support. For a 133Mhz R4600 Indy this costs ~$45.00 a month (based on your system configuration). 3) The real question is whether you can purchase 1 month of OSCare support and then get the promotional 6.5 price. If you can, getting IRIX 6.5.x plus a month of support for $210.00 is a steal. 4) This is significantly less than "a trillion bucks". If you are interested in exploring this for your own machine, contact a contracts representive in your local SGI sales office. Your mileage may vary. Locations of SGI sales offices may be found my looking on www.sgi.com. Eric. -- ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau eak@detroit.sgi.com Field Technical Support SGI 39001 W. 12 Mile Rd. Farmington, MI 48331-2903 Vox:(248)848-4455 Fax:(248)848-5600 VNET:6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up..." http://support.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 13:26:52 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA78212 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:26:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA88782 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:25:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.columbus.sgi.com (dataserv.columbus.sgi.com [169.238.139.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA89474 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:25:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com) Received: from carrera.columbus.sgi.com by dataserv.columbus.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id QAA26794; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:25:48 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by carrera.columbus.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA40257; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:18:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:18:05 -0500 (EST) From: david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com (David Watters) Message-Id: <9901201618.ZM39458@carrera.columbus.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: kck@mailbox.esd.sgi.com (Ken Klingman) "Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com]" (Jan 19, 6:36pm) References: <199901200236.SAA12779@mailbox.esd.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: kck@mailbox.esd.sgi.com (Ken Klingman), offer@morgaine.engr.sgi.com (Richard Offer) Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1174 Lines: 29 On Jan 19, 6:36pm, Ken Klingman wrote: > Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] > > The VW 320 and 540 use 288-bit wide synchronous DRAM, clocked > at 100MHz. 288 bits means it's not your everyday PC SDRAM. But it is! It is just laid out differently. Industry standard SDRAM chips but to get the wider memory path they layed them out differently. They used a different JDEC standard DIMM (the same as in some notebooks) because the motherboard would have been a mess using the giant, more commond desktop-PC JDEC standard modules. The idea is a high-bandwith arch. at PC prices and to do that you have to make some tough decisions. Otherwise the OCTANE is a far better (and $) arch. that is just dying for faster processors and next-gen graphics. Who cares. It is all in the application performance. We will soon see... -- David Watters | Silicon*Graphics Systems Engineer | http://www.sgi.com/ Silicon Graphics, Inc.| http://reality.sgi.com/davester/ (6/13/97) david.watters@sgi.com | 1.800.800.SGI1 (Sales) 1.800.800.4SGI (Support) DID 1.614.844.3820 | http://www.nintendo.com/ (N64, the $130 SGI!) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 13:38:35 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA56095 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:38:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA94748 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:37:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.columbus.sgi.com (dataserv.columbus.sgi.com [169.238.139.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA93151 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:37:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com) Received: from carrera.columbus.sgi.com by dataserv.columbus.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id QAA26826; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:37:39 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by carrera.columbus.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA40336; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:29:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:29:54 -0500 (EST) From: david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com (David Watters) Message-Id: <9901201629.ZM40293@carrera.columbus.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: job bogan "Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com]" (Jan 19, 9:01pm) References: <199901200301.VAA14922@piquin.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: job bogan , offer@morgaine.engr.sgi.com (Richard Offer) Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, ellidz@eridu.uchicago.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1777 Lines: 43 On Jan 19, 9:01pm, job bogan wrote: > judging by > previous SGI prices, i can buy twice as much 3rd party ram as SGI ram. You will be glad to know that the memory will be available from 3rd parties. > interface, we might look at them. The lack of true multi-user and > non-console interfaces in NT just takes these SGIs off the chart Some of what you need may be bundled. Take a look at the interoperability kit that is bundled which includes a lot of what you mentioned. > And once it's there, i see no reason to buy them unless i can get the > Video Performance out of them. (unless, perhaps, they clean up on raw > cpu due to a cleaned up system bus.) What system bus? The FSB is the same, otherwise the off the shelf CPUs (which I assume you will by 3rd party :) ) won't work. Our memory controller is lower latency than the 440xx and has huge bandwidth from memory to the controller. Both of these (mostly the latency) will show on FP performance when you break cache. > i've never been the world's biggest SGI/Irix fan. Really? :) > But - for my env., and > most of the Academic world, i just don't see these as viable machines > until Linux or Irix runs on them. egh... you may be able to get the > CAD/CAM market back, but i don't see us buying more SGIs soon. The small little CAD/CAM market. :) If we get that back then we will build all the Linux/IRIX boxes you need. Thanks for your perspective though. -- David Watters | Silicon*Graphics Systems Engineer | http://www.sgi.com/ Silicon Graphics, Inc.| http://reality.sgi.com/davester/ (6/13/97) david.watters@sgi.com | 1.800.800.SGI1 (Sales) 1.800.800.4SGI (Support) DID 1.614.844.3820 | http://www.nintendo.com/ (N64, the $130 SGI!) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 14:03:46 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA66295 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:03:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA04115 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:02:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.columbus.sgi.com (dataserv.columbus.sgi.com [169.238.139.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA04154 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:02:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com) Received: from carrera.columbus.sgi.com by dataserv.columbus.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id RAA26918; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:02:53 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by carrera.columbus.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA40384; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:55:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:55:11 -0500 (EST) From: david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com (David Watters) Message-Id: <9901201655.ZM40363@carrera.columbus.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: Eric Kimminau "Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com]" (Jan 20, 10:18am) References: <36A51517.A24C2BEB@hiwaay.net> <36A5F3DE.C94A0FA1@detroit.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 643 Lines: 17 On Jan 20, 10:18am, Eric Kimminau wrote: > It is not a rumor. It is fact. The ram being used in the VPC is like the > memory in no other PC (that I know of) being manufactured today. Yes it is. Same chips, less common DIMM. Calm down Eric... let me bring you back. :) Linux... Linux... Linux... -- David Watters | Silicon*Graphics Systems Engineer | http://www.sgi.com/ Silicon Graphics, Inc.| http://reality.sgi.com/davester/ (6/13/97) david.watters@sgi.com | 1.800.800.SGI1 (Sales) 1.800.800.4SGI (Support) DID 1.614.844.3820 | http://www.nintendo.com/ (N64, the $130 SGI!) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 20 23:11:42 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA52598 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:11:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA73442 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:09:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA72473 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:09:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com) Received: from dm.cobaltmicro.com (dm.cobaltmicro.com [209.133.34.35]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA03042 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:09:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com) Received: (from davem@localhost) by dm.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA14460; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:11:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:11:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199901210711.XAA14460@dm.cobaltmicro.com> From: "David S. Miller" To: eak@detroit.sgi.com CC: dmerchan@hiwaay.net, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <36A5F3DE.C94A0FA1@detroit.sgi.com> (message from Eric Kimminau on Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:18:54 -0500) Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] References: <36A51517.A24C2BEB@hiwaay.net> <36A5F3DE.C94A0FA1@detroit.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 258 Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:18:54 -0500 From: Eric Kimminau dual PCI bus (get that from a clone) (and what does it cost to get it on a Sun?) ~$2,000 with monitor and keyboard Later, David S. Miller davem@dm.cobaltmicro.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 21 07:34:37 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA07471 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:34:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA70027 for linux-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:32:46 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA91396 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:32:42 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from perron-null.patser.net (9dyn87.breda.casema.net [195.96.116.87]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA03943 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:32:39 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from infopact.nl (indigo2.patser.net [192.168.6.40]) by perron-null.patser.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA05441 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:26:26 +0100 Message-ID: <36A749AA.6E28B33E@infopact.nl> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:37:14 -0800 From: Richard Hartensveld X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: mezzanine board Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 289 Lines: 15 Hi, I've got a challenge S with hardhat 5.1 running on it. This machine is also equiped with a mezzanine board. (2x diff. scsi and an ethernet port). Is there any documentation available for this board or are/where there ever plans to build a driver for this board ? Cheers, Richard From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 21 07:46:40 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA71551 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:46:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA93431 for linux-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:45:00 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA94855 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:44:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA06436 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:44:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18271; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:44:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06520; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:44:41 +0100 (MET) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05486; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:44:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19990121164440.V13229@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:44:40 +0100 From: Honza Pazdziora To: Richard Hartensveld , "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: Re: mezzanine board References: <36A749AA.6E28B33E@infopact.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36A749AA.6E28B33E@infopact.nl>; from Richard Hartensveld on Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 07:37:14AM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 694 Lines: 16 > > I've got a challenge S with hardhat 5.1 running on it. Sorry for not answering your question in the first place, but: I didn't know HardHat 5.1 could run on Challenge S. Could you please send me the specs (hinv) and kernel details (did you compile yourself or picked it up), so that I can update the www pages? Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ The total number of bytes in all expressions in the GROUP BY clause is limited to the size of a data block minus some overhead. --Oracle SQL Ref. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 21 08:07:17 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA61844 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:07:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA01101 for linux-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:05:16 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA93493 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:05:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from perron-null.patser.net (9dyn87.breda.casema.net [195.96.116.87]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA00537 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:05:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from infopact.nl (indigo2.patser.net [192.168.6.40]) by perron-null.patser.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA05482; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:58:41 +0100 Message-ID: <36A75138.3C924284@infopact.nl> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:09:29 -0800 From: Richard Hartensveld X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Honza Pazdziora CC: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: Re: mezzanine board References: <36A749AA.6E28B33E@infopact.nl> <19990121164440.V13229@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3549 Lines: 92 Honza Pazdziora wrote: > > > > I've got a challenge S with hardhat 5.1 running on it. > > Sorry for not answering your question in the first place, but: > > I didn't know HardHat 5.1 could run on Challenge S. Sure, just hook-up a terminal to the serial port, link /dev/console to /dev/ttyS1 on your nfs-root, and don't forget to change setup-1.9.1-2.noarch.rpm to add some securetty's so that you can log in over the network as root. (Hardhat doesn't add a normal user at installation, a missing future, i think). > Could you please > send me the specs (hinv) and kernel details (did you compile yourself > or picked it up), so that I can update the www pages? > Well, no hinv since i'm not running irix on the machine anymore (i boot it over the network), but here's the dmesg from within linux.This is a self-compiled kernel, using the cvs tree from linus.linux, but the kernel included with the hardhat package installs just as good. If you wish, i can send you the rebuild setup...noarch.rpm to put on the webpage for other people who wish to try linux on a S. If someone is seriously interested in do some other development on this machine, i'm more then willing to give away a shell account for this person. PROMLIB: SGI ARCS firmware Version 1 Revision 10 PROMLIB: Total free ram 132923392 bytes (129808K,126MB) ARCH: SGI-IP22 CPU: MIPS-R5000 FPU ICACHE DCACHE SCACHE Loading R4000 MMU routines. CPU revision is: 00002310 Primary instruction cache 32kb, linesize 32 bytes) Primary data cache 32kb, linesize 32 bytes) Linux version 2.1.121 (root@wilderness) (gcc version 2.7.2.2) #1 Thu Jan 14 16:06:11 CET 1999 MC: SGI memory controller Revision 3 R4600/R5000 SCACHE size 512K, linesize 32 bytes. calculating r4koff... 000dbd78(900472) Calibrating delay loop... 179.81 BogoMIPS Memory: 125248k/261652k available (1116k kernel code, 3436k data) Checking for 'wait' instruction... available. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 for Linux 2.1 NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.16 for Linux NET3.038. Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.037 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP Starting kswapd v 1.5 initialize_kbd: Keyboard reset failed, no ACK SGI Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00 tty00 at 0xbfbd9830 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 tty01 at 0xbfbd9838 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 DS1286 Real Time Clock Driver v1.0 wd33c93-0: chip=WD33c93B/13 no_sync=0xff no_dma=0 debug_flags=0x00 setup_args=,,,,,,,,, Version 1.25 - 09/Jul/1997, Compiled Jan 14 1999 at 16:09:51 scsi0 : SGI WD93 scsi : 1 host. Keyboard timeout Keyboard timeout sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: SGI Model: IBM DORS-32160 Rev: W80D Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: IBM Model: DCAS-34330 Rev: S65A Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0 scsi : detected 2 SCSI disks total. SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 4197405 [2049 MB] [2.0 GB] SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8467200 [4134 MB] [4.1 GB] sgiseeq.c: David S. Miller (dm@engr.sgi.com) eth0: SGI Seeq8003 08:00:69:0a:41:7b Partition check: sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Freeing unused kernel memory: 36k freed Warning: unable to open an initial console. Cheers, Richard From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 21 09:51:30 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA83475 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:51:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA40642 for linux-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:50:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA37108 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:50:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA04008 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:50:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adelton@informatics.muni.cz) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28793; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:50:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from aisa.fi.muni.cz (aisa [147.251.48.1]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14886; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:50:33 +0100 (MET) Received: (from adelton@localhost) by aisa.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21822; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:50:32 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19990121185032.Z13229@aisa.fi.muni.cz> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:50:32 +0100 From: Honza Pazdziora To: Richard Hartensveld , Honza Pazdziora Cc: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: Re: mezzanine board References: <36A749AA.6E28B33E@infopact.nl> <19990121164440.V13229@aisa.fi.muni.cz> <36A75138.3C924284@infopact.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36A75138.3C924284@infopact.nl>; from Richard Hartensveld on Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 08:09:29AM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1251 Lines: 27 Richard, thanks you. > Sure, just hook-up a terminal to the serial port, link /dev/console to > /dev/ttyS1 on your nfs-root, and don't forget to change > setup-1.9.1-2.noarch.rpm to add some securetty's so that I've added this to the http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ page. A note about Challenge S has also been added to other pages. > Well, no hinv since i'm not running irix on the machine anymore (i boot it > over the network), but here's the dmesg from within linux.This is a > self-compiled kernel, using the cvs tree from linus.linux, but the kernel > included with the hardhat package installs just as good. > If you wish, i can send you the rebuild setup...noarch.rpm to put on the > webpage for other people who wish to try linux on a S. To others on the list: shall we make a new page with setups? Otherwise I'd just link Richard's setup from /manhattan/. Yours, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Honza Pazdziora | adelton@fi.muni.cz | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~adelton/ The total number of bytes in all expressions in the GROUP BY clause is limited to the size of a data block minus some overhead. --Oracle SQL Ref. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 21 10:33:53 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA89168 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:33:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA56786 for linux-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:33:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA51905; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:33:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA51826; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:33:14 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199901211833.KAA51826@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: 2.2pre9 has VW support To: jcoffin@sv.usweb.com (Jeff Coffin) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:33:14 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Jeff Coffin" at Jan 21, 99 11:08:22 am Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 812 Lines: 25 : :So I suppose some of you have seen this, but do any SGI folks care to :comment knowledgeably? : :http://www.slashdot.org/articles/99/01/21/0727205.shtml : :http://edge.linuxhq.com/changelist.cgi?show=2.2.0pre9 : I guess I can comment on this. Bent Hagemark (an SGI engineer) figured out how to boot Linux on the VisWS, including recognizing the low level hardware, wrote the patch, emailed it to Ingo Molnar for review and comments, Ingo made some minor changes to better fit in the scheme of things, sent it to Linus, and there we have it in the official Linux tree :-) Please note that this only enables booting the VisWS multi user and it doesn't yet have accelerated graphics support as Ken Klingman said before. I'm sure Ken can add more information and correct me where I'm wrong. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 21 11:02:38 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA90675 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:02:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA70299 for linux-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:01:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA70345; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:01:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA48236; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:01:50 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199901211901.LAA48236@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: mezzanine board To: richard@infopact.nl (Richard Hartensveld) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:01:50 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) In-Reply-To: <36A75138.3C924284@infopact.nl> from "Richard Hartensveld" at Jan 21, 99 08:09:29 am Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 7933 Lines: 346 : : :Well, no hinv since i'm not running irix on the machine anymore (i boot it :over the network) : Here's an 'hinv' for linux written in perl ---- cut here ---- #!/usr/bin/perl -w # # hinv v 1.2 # Changes: # 1.0 - 1.1 # --------- # Fri Nov 28 14:28:31 IST 1997 # Added support for IDE disks -- Paul Danset (paul@oz.net), # Fri Nov 28 14:39:30 IST 1997 # Changed eth scanning routine to explicitely check for an # ethernet-style address in the line. -- Raju Mathur (raju@sgi.com) # Fri Nov 28 19:02:22 IST 1997 # 1.1-1.1a # -------- # Small screw-up in the eth code fixed. Thanks, Thomas Gebhardt! # 1.1a-1.2 # -------- # Mon Dec 1 12:06:55 IST 1997 # Added support for sound devices. I've only checked this out on # a commercial OSS system, not with the built-in OSS/Linux/Free. # I'm no hotshot Perl programmer, so if the code looks ugly it's # your aesthetics which are to blame :-) # -- Raju Mathur (raju@sgi.com) # # Interim maintainer: Raju Mathur (raju@sgi.com) # # Author: Larry Mcvoy (Where art thou, Larry?) as per last # information received # # Try and emulate SGI's hinv command # We want to figure out the following: # CPU type, mhz, memory, busses, floppies, disks, tapes, cdroms, ttys, # networks, graphics. # indy ~ hinv # Iris Audio Processor: version A2 revision 4.1.0 # 1 175 MHZ IP22 Processor # FPU: MIPS R4000 Floating Point Coprocessor Revision: 0.0 # CPU: MIPS R4400 Processor Chip Revision: 6.0 # On-board serial ports: 2 # On-board bi-directional parallel port # Data cache size: 16 Kbytes # Instruction cache size: 16 Kbytes # Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte on Processor 0 # Main memory size: 64 Mbytes # Vino video: unit 0, revision 0 # Integral ISDN: Basic Rate Interface unit 0, revision 1.0 # XPI FDDI controller: xpi0, firmware version 9601221233, SAS # Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1 # Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision D # Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 0 # Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 # Graphics board: Indy 24-bit # i586 ~ hinv # Main memory size: 24 Mbytes # 1 GenuineIntel 586 processor # 1 16450 serial port # 2 16550A serial ports # 1 post-1991 82077 floppy controller # 1 1.44M floppy drive # 1 vga+ graphics device # 1 keyboard # 2 ethernet interfaces # eth0: 3Com 3c595 Vortex 100baseTX # eth2: 3c509 # 1 SCSI tape 1 SCSI cdrom 2 SCSI disks # QUANTUM EMPIRE_1080S # HP C3725S # ARCHIVE VIPER 150 21531 # TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-3501TA # Sound devices: # 1 Audio device # Sound Blaster 16 (4.13) # 1 Synth device # Yamaha OPL-3 # 1 Timer # System clock # 1 Mixer # Sound Blaster # PCI bus devices: # SCSI storage controller: NCR 53c810 (rev 2). # Ethernet controller: 3Com 3C595 100bTX (rev 0). # VGA compatible device: S3 Inc. Vision 964-P (rev 0). # IDE interface: Intel 82371 Triton PIIX (rev 2). # ISA bridge: Intel 82371 Triton PIIX (rev 2). # Host bridge: Intel 82437 (rev 2). open(FD, "dmesg|") || die "no dmesg"; while () { @_ = split; if (/^Memory:/) { $_[1] =~ s|.*/||; $_[1] =~ s|k$||; $_[1] /= 1024; $mem = "Main memory size: $_[1] Mbytes\n"; } elsif (/^tty/) { $ttys{$_[$#_]}++; } elsif (/^Floppy/) { $floppy{$_[$#_]}++; } elsif (/^FDC /) { s/.*is a //; chop; $fdc{$_}++; } elsif (/^scsi : detected/) { $scsi = $_; } elsif (/^eth\d.* at .*:..:..:..:..:.*/) { s/\s*at .*//; push(@eth, $_); } elsif (/^hd[a-z].*, /) { s/\s*, .*//; push(@ide, $_); } } open(FD, "/proc/cpuinfo"); while () { @_ = split; if (/cpu/) { $cpu = $_[$#_]; } if (/vendor/) { $cpus{"$_[$#_] $cpu"}++; } } open(FD, "/proc/ioports"); while () { if (/kbd/) { $kbd++; } elsif (/vga/) { @_ = split; $graphics{$_[$#_]}++; } } print $mem if (defined $mem); foreach $key (keys %cpus) { print "$cpus{$key} $key processor"; print $cpus{$key} > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } foreach $key (keys %ttys) { print "$ttys{$key} $key serial port"; print $ttys{$key} > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } foreach $key (keys %fdc) { print "$fdc{$key} $key floppy controller"; print $fdc{$key} > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } foreach $key (keys %floppy) { print "$floppy{$key} $key floppy drive"; print $floppy{$key} > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } foreach $key (keys %graphics) { print "$graphics{$key} $key graphics device"; print $graphics{$key} > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } if (defined $kbd) { print "$kbd keyboard"; print $kbd > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; } if ($#ide > -1) { $n = $#ide + 1; print "$n IDE device"; print $n > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; foreach $ide (@ide) { print " $ide"; } } if ($#eth > -1) { $n = $#eth + 1; print "$n ethernet interface"; print $n > 1 ? "s\n" : "\n"; foreach $eth (@eth) { print " $eth"; } } if (defined $scsi) { $scsi =~ s/.*detected //; $scsi =~ s/ total.//; print $scsi; open(FD, "/proc/scsi/scsi"); $_ = ; while () { next unless /Vendor/; s/.*Vendor:\s*//; s/\s*Rev:.*//; s/Model:\s*//; print " $_"; } } # # Sound code added by Raju Mathur (raju@sgi.com) # if ( open ( FD , "/dev/sndstat" ) ) { $done = 0 ; while ( ) { if ( ! $done ) { print "Sound devices:\n" ; $nAudiodev = 0 ; $nSynthdev = 0 ; $nMIDIdev = 0 ; $nTimer = 0 ; $nMixer = 0 ; $done = 1 ; } if ( /^Audio devices:/ ) { while ( ) { if ( /^$/ ) { goto break1 ; } s/^[0-9]*:\s*// ; push @Audiodev , $_ ; $nAudiodev++ ; } break1: } if ( /^Synth devices:/ ) { while ( ) { if ( /^$/ ) { goto break2 ; } s/^[0-9]*:\s*// ; push @Synthdev , $_ ; $nSynthdev++ ; } break2: } if ( /^Midi devices:/ ) { while ( ) { if ( /^$/ ) { goto break3 ; } s/^[0-9]*:\s*// ; push @MIDIdev , $_ ; $nMIDIdev++ ; } break3: } if ( /^Timers:/ ) { while ( ) { if ( /^$/ ) { goto break4 ; } s/^[0-9]*:\s*// ; push @Timer , $_ ; $nTimer++ ; } break4: } if ( /^Mixers:/ ) { while ( ) { if ( /^$/ ) { goto break5 ; } s/^[0-9]*:\s*// ; push @Mixer , $_ ; $nMixer++ ; } break5: } } if ( $nAudiodev ) { printf " %d Audio device%s\n" , $nAudiodev , $nAudiodev > 1 ? "s" : "" ; while ( $val = shift @Audiodev ) { print " $val" ; } } if ( $nSynthdev ) { printf " %d Synth device%s\n" , $nSynthdev , $nSynthdev > 1 ? "s" : "" ; while ( $val = shift @Synthdev ) { print " $val" ; } } if ( $nMIDIdev ) { printf " %d MIDI device%s\n" , $nMIDIdev , $nMIDIdev > 1 ? "s" : "" ; while ( $val = shift @MIDIdev ) { print " $val" ; } } if ( $nTimer ) { printf ( " %d Timer%s\n" , $nTimer , $nTimer > 1 ? "s" : "" ) ; while ( $val = shift @Timer ) { print " $val" ; } } if ( $nMixer ) { printf " %d Mixer%s\n" , $nMixer , $nMixer > 1 ? "s" : "" ; while ( $val = shift @Mixer ) { print " $val" ; } } } open(FD, "/proc/pci"); $done = 0; while () { if (/^\s*Bus/) { if ($done == 0) { print "PCI bus devices:\n"; $done++; } $_ = ; print; } } From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 21 10:03:22 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA86436 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:03:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA44699 for linux-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:02:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA43422 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:02:21 -0800 (PST) mail_from (jcoffin@chuck.sv.usweb.com) Received: from chuck.sv.usweb.com (station20.xcom.com [207.44.155.20]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id KAA05404 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:02:20 -0800 (PST) mail_from (jcoffin@chuck.sv.usweb.com) Received: (qmail 10511 invoked by uid 500); 21 Jan 1999 19:08:22 -0000 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: 2.2pre9 has VW support From: Jeff Coffin Date: 21 Jan 1999 11:08:22 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 217 Lines: 12 So I suppose some of you have seen this, but do any SGI folks care to comment knowledgeably? http://www.slashdot.org/articles/99/01/21/0727205.shtml http://edge.linuxhq.com/changelist.cgi?show=2.2.0pre9 --jeff From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 21 13:28:48 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA01594 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:28:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA30694 for linux-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:28:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA47494 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:28:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (andrewb@uab.edu) Received: from vera.dpo.uab.edu (Vera.dpo.uab.edu [138.26.1.12]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA03515 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:27:52 -0500 (EST) mail_from (andrewb@uab.edu) Received: from mdk187.tucc.uab.edu by vera.dpo.uab.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.9B51D9A0@vera.dpo.uab.edu>; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:27:50 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:15:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Andrew R. Baker" X-Sender: andrewb@mdk187.tucc.uab.edu To: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: indigo2 In-Reply-To: <36A4120E.2FF847E0@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 979 Lines: 23 This is a somewhat official announcement about work being done to port Linux to the Indigo2. Here at UAB, we have received a grant from SGI to implement a Beowulf cluster out of a group of Indigo2 machines. As part of this project, we will be porting the Linux kernel to the Indigo2. The current status of the project is that we are unpacking boxes and setting up the systems. We received a collection of Indigo2 High Impacts, Extremes, and XZs, all with (2) 2Gig drives and 128MB RAM. The people involved with this project here at UAB are myself (a graduate student and campus network analyst), Mark Zottola (Adjunctssociate Professor of Computer Science and supercomputer analyst), and Bob Hyatt (Associate Professor of Computer Science). Any information people have collected that may help us in this effort would be much appreciated. And I'm sure you all will be hearing more from us in the future. Andrew and Mark (hehe I'm special so my name came first....) From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 21 13:39:32 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA95792 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:39:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA31325 for linux-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:38:46 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA36098 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:38:44 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA06628 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:38:42 -0500 (EST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA10938 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:39:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:39:27 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Re: indigo2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 470 Lines: 17 On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Andrew R. Baker wrote: > Any information people have collected that may help us in this effort > would be much appreciated. And I'm sure you all will be hearing more from > us in the future. That's so cool. The first thing that pops into my mind is: We've heard recently from SGI that they're not going to releasee docs for indigo2. How do you intend to get around this, or is this in fact not true? I'll do whatever I can to help. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 21 16:24:30 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA40946 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:24:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA06368 for linux-list; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:23:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA02852 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:23:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from fts129.detroit.sgi.com (fts128.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.69]) by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA02341 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:23:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:23:33 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Kimminau To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: [MDLUG] On Slashdot today!! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 857 Lines: 27 FYI. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:44:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Bobak, Mark" Reply-To: mdlug@collie.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [MDLUG] On Slashdot today!! from http://www.slashdot.org : Linux 2.2.0pre9 Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday January 21, @07:26AM from the end-of-the-road dept. Caballero writes " Not only is 2.2 pre 9 available. The version number in the Makefile is listed as 2.2.0-final! It also includes support for the new SGI visual workstation." We're almost there now kids. Chill the wine (or just get out the shot glasses) Read More... (62 comments) Woohoo! The SGI Visual Workstation support is there! Yeah! Joe, does this mean you can talk about it now?? From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 22 00:53:07 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA10623 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:53:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA44454 for linux-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:52:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA55764; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:52:28 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eedthwo@eede.ericsson.se) Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.5]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id DAA05153; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 03:52:17 -0500 (EST) mail_from (eedthwo@eede.ericsson.se) Received: from eede.ericsson.se (eede.eede.ericsson.se [164.48.127.16]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.0/8.9.0/WIREfire-1.2) with SMTP id JAA28171; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:52:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from sun173.eu (sun173.eede.ericsson.se) by eede.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12044; Fri, 22 Jan 99 09:52:11 +0100 Received: by sun173.eu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA18379; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:52:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:52:10 +0100 Message-Id: <199901220852.JAA18379@sun173.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tom Woelfel To: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Cc: eedthwo@eede.ericsson.se, topcat@develop.nmdg.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Installing Linux on Indy In-Reply-To: <199901201829.KAA71231@anchor.engr.sgi.com> References: <199901201008.LAA19733@sun173.eu> <199901201829.KAA71231@anchor.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under 20.2 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: eedthwo@eede.ericsson.se Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1280 Lines: 31 Dave Olson writes: > Tom Woelfel wrote: > | For an old SGI disk I've searched 1 week in the web to get the > | jumper-settings to reset the spin-up-delay-at-boot - nothing (The > | disk was purposed to be built into my PS/2). So I called SGI > > All the disk drive manufacturers that I know of have web pages for > the drive jumper settings. SGI support doesn't have docs on most of them, > even the current ones, because nobody ever needs to know; they come > setup correctly from the factory. > > By the way, with only 5 jumpers to play with on most drives, you > can usually figure it out in less than 30 minutes. > > I'm sorry you are so unhappy about it, but it does sound like you > are frustrated over things that seem pretty easy to deal with. The disk had no label on it. So I had to put it in an external SCSI-CASE an plug it in (risk). Linux reported an IMB/SGI S6(S8?) or so. The only model I found was the model S12. Simple Question: Are both jumper-settings equal? (For the MCA one needs special setting) If there is no answer for a simple question; not on the web, not after a call ... Well, shit happens. Maybe I should have written a mail to someone in the list directly. //Tom [Thanx also to Joan Eslinger for the immediate response] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 22 11:15:38 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA39616 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:15:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA52449 for linux-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:14:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA52185 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:14:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (watts@sunflower.com) Received: from violet.jayhawks.net (violet.jayhawks.net [24.124.29.27]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA06630 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:14:47 -0500 (EST) mail_from (watts@sunflower.com) Received: from localhost (watts@localhost) by violet.jayhawks.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA31284; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:14:16 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: violet.jayhawks.net: watts owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:14:16 -0600 (EST) From: Jeffrey Watts X-Sender: watts@violet.jayhawks.net To: "David S. Miller" cc: eak@detroit.sgi.com, dmerchan@hiwaay.net, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] In-Reply-To: <199901210711.XAA14460@dm.cobaltmicro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 822 Lines: 22 On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, David S. Miller wrote: > dual PCI bus (get that from a clone) (and what does it cost to get > it on a Sun?) > > ~$2,000 with monitor and keyboard Please take SGI/Sun advocacy off this list. I know it is hard to not respond to flamebait like that, but please try. Thanks, Jeffrey. o-----------------------------------o | Jeffrey Watts | | watts@sunflower.com o-------------------------------------o | Systems Analyst | "Outside of the killings, | | Sprint - Systems Management | Washington has one of the lowest | o-------------------------------| crime rates in the country." | | -- Mayor Marion Barry | o-------------------------------------o From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 22 18:08:44 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA19761 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:08:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA17708 for linux-list; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:08:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA17114 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:08:08 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id VAA05844 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:08:07 -0500 (EST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (cacc-16.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.131.16]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA28193 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:08:04 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA03355 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:07:12 +0100 Message-ID: <19990123030711.E2654@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:07:11 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: linus.linux.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 187 Lines: 5 I've moved some files around in order to make space for the Intel stuff which I expect sooner or later to be placed there. Mirror sites will have to fix the mirror config files. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 23 17:39:23 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA72597 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:39:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA78846 for linux-list; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:38:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA71358 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:38:46 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id UAA01115 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:38:44 -0500 (EST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA18152 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:39:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:39:42 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Precompiled 2.1.131 binaries. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 416 Lines: 17 I've put prebuilt Linux binaries for the Indy in: ftp://linus.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/vmlinux-indy-2.1.131.tar.gz This is the first prebuilt kernel that includes modules, although I think there are still problems with modutils. Sorry for the delay, it took me a long time to figure out what my binutils problems were. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 23 17:53:15 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA56576 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:53:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA68708 for linux-list; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:52:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA84585 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:52:38 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id UAA03300 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:52:36 -0500 (EST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (cacc-23.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.131.23]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA00624 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:52:33 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA08014; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:50:54 +0100 Message-ID: <19990124025052.D6388@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:50:52 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Alex deVries , SGI Linux Subject: Re: Precompiled 2.1.131 binaries. References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 08:39:42PM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 437 Lines: 15 On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 08:39:42PM -0500, Alex deVries wrote: > I've put prebuilt Linux binaries for the Indy in: > ftp://linus.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/vmlinux-indy-2.1.131.tar.gz > > This is the first prebuilt kernel that includes modules, although I think > there are still problems with modutils. Use modutils directly from vger. See ftp://vger.rutgers.edu/pub/linux/README.CVS for how to access vger's CVS. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 23 18:24:07 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA48074 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:24:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA60026 for linux-list; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:23:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA81451 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:23:28 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id VAA01493 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:23:26 -0500 (EST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA19550 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:24:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:24:33 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Modutils Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 526 Lines: 20 Okay, I've rebuilt the modutils RPM with the latest 2.1.121 source patches in it for mips; the mipseb binary rpm is in: ftp://linus.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/hardhat/5.2/RPMS/mipseb/modutils-2.1.121-4.mipseb.rpm or similiar. This'll make the modules in the precompiled binary package actually work. Please, use this one if for no other reason than just to test it. There's a lot of untested stuff in that 5.2 directory, be warned. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 24 13:00:50 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA37784 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:00:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA04254 for linux-list; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:00:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA28833 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:00:13 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA05746 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:00:07 -0500 (EST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA19261 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:01:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:01:19 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: HAL2 support. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 704 Lines: 27 There's a rumour going around that Ulf has had some luck with getting HAL2 support working. If there's any truth to this,a dn so that we don't reinvent the wheel, does anyone know where this source might be? Also, am I right in saying that there's no devices written for HPC3 that use the pbus? Looks like the first step to writing a HAL driver is to be able to write to the pbus. What else is actually on the pbus on the Indy? From this HPC documentation, looks like: - fdc (I thought Indy floppies were SCSI though) - rtc - prom - scsi (although not the 33c93) - int2 (what's this?) - hal2 - pi1 (what's this?) - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 24 15:35:35 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA48107 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:35:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA27503 for linux-list; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:34:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgidal.dallas.sgi.com (sgidal.dallas.sgi.com [169.238.80.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA75781 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:34:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (chad@sgi.com) Received: from roctane.dallas.sgi.com by sgidal.dallas.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id RAA01425; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:33:02 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roctane.dallas.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA04516; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:33:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:33:02 -0600 (CST) From: Chad Carlin X-Sender: chad@roctane.dallas.sgi.com To: Alex deVries cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Precompiled 2.1.131 binaries. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2236 Lines: 55 Hello All, Well, I gave the new kernel a try. Now I have new problems and an interesting note. The problem is this. "Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel" I am following the instructions that call for using "./mke2fs drive" and using "boot vmlinux root=/dev/sdb3" to boot the kernel. Are these the correct ones or is the bootp server the better way to go? In either case I actually tried it the other way (nfsroot=) as well. No work-worky that way either. I also tried combining the methods too. Like getting the kernel via bootp and setting root=/dev/sda1 (linux disk is scsi id 1 and irix is 3). Tried getting the kernel from the local efs fs and getting root via nfs from my regular irix Indy. Tried old kernel again too. Also note: With the previous kernel I was getting boot information through the console port of the indy with nothing being displayed on the gfx monitor. Now I only get the "130768+22320+3184+341792+48560d+4604+6816 entry: 0x8bfa60d0" on the console and the rest on the gfx display. Questions: 1) Is anyone else using an R4400? 2) Does "VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly" mean that I guessed the correct disk partition to use? 3) What does init= mean in "Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel"? 4) This seems to suggest that the tty0 and tty1 have been discovered OK: SGI Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00 tty00 at 0xbfbd9838 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 tty01 at 0xbfbd9830 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 Why then would I get this error message? Warning: unable to open an initial console 5) Could someone point me to where I can browse the source for this indy kernel? All responses appreciated. Even if it's just a "There but for the grace of God go I" or "Better you than me". Regards, Chad ----------------------------------------------------- Chad Carlin Special Systems Silicon Graphics Inc. 972.205.5911 Pager 888.754.1597 VMail 800.414.7994 X5344 chad@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/chad ----------------------------------------------------- "flying through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy" From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 24 20:06:48 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA43356 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:06:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA55207 for linux-list; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:06:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA55139; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:06:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA07213; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:06:09 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901250406.UAA07213@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: HAL2 support. In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jan 24, 99 04:01:19 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:06:09 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 850 Lines: 32 Alex deVries wrote: | Also, am I right in saying that there's no devices written for HPC3 that | use the pbus? Looks like the first step to writing a HAL driver is to be | able to write to the pbus. The pbus interface itself is a pretty simple interface. | What else is actually on the pbus on the Indy? From this HPC | documentation, looks | like: | - fdc (I thought Indy floppies were SCSI though) There was talk of doing floppy this way, but it never was actually done. | - rtc | - prom | - scsi (although not the 33c93) scsi is off the hpc3, but it's only the control path (pio to registers) that uses the pbus interface. The datapath is a different bus. | - int2 (what's this?) interrupt control. | - hal2 | - pi1 (what's this?) parallel port. Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 25 11:27:00 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA83741 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:27:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA16687 for linux-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:26:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA09840 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:26:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA03738 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:26:01 -0500 (EST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA04677; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:27:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:27:12 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Ulf Carlsson cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: HAL2 support. In-Reply-To: <19990128195021.A897@bun.falkenberg.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1030 Lines: 29 On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > > Do you mind if I cvs upload them to the SGI kernel mailing list? > CVS upload them to the mailing list, I don't get your point here. I have CVS > access so I may upload them if I want to, and I can post it to the mailing list > if you want me to. But it feels like too much people would laugh at me if I > posted it at the moment.. I'll atleast get it through the compiler once again. I'll merge them with a modern kernel and make sure that it all builds properly. That should be done in the next 30 hours. Woo! Finally! Kernel work! > Does something else bother you than the incorrect type? I can't see anything > else being wrong here. No, but I just scanned the code quickly. > And this line should actually be: > } *h2_ctrl = (hal2_ctrl_regs *) KSEG1ADDR(H2_CTRL_PIO); Okay. Why's that? Anyway, I'll get this code into the kernel so we have a way to debug it in a distributed fashion. It's clear there'll be problems with it; we'll get through that over time. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 25 11:36:47 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA86749 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA05480 for linux-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:36:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA26881 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:36:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA08318 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:35:58 -0500 (EST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA05491; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:37:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:37:13 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Chad Carlin cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Precompiled 2.1.131 binaries. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2270 Lines: 69 Alright. There might be other problems. > Questions: > 1) Is anyone else using an R4400? I'd like to know that too. I know it works on my R4600SC. Any other successes? > 2) Does "VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly" mean that I guessed > the correct disk partition to use? Probably... could you see what it reports for teh SCSI probe? It should look something like: DS1286 Real Time Clock Driver v1.0 streamable misc devices registered (keyb:150, gfx:148) loop: registered device at major 7 wd33c93-0: chip=WD33c93B/13 no_sync=0xff no_dma=0 debug_flags=0x00 setup_args=,,,,,,,,, Version 1.25 - 09/Jul/1997, Compiled Jan 22 1999 at 16:43:04 scsi0 : SGI WD93 scsi : 1 host. sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: SGI Model: SEAGATE ST31200N Rev: 8640 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: SGI Model: SEAGATE ST31230N Rev: 0532 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 scsi : detected 2 SCSI disks total. SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 2077833 [1014 MB] [1.0 GB] SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 2070235 [1010 MB] [1.0 GB] Could you see what it reports for partitioning? Mine says: Partition check: sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 > 3) What does init= mean in "Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing > init= option to kernel"? It says this because it can't find /sbin/init, because it can't find the root filesystem. > 4) This seems to suggest that the tty0 and tty1 have been discovered OK: > SGI Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00 > tty00 at 0xbfbd9838 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 > tty01 at 0xbfbd9830 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 > Why then would I get this error message? > Warning: unable to open an initial console > 5) Could someone point me to where I can browse the source for this indy kernel? Two reasons: there's no fielsystem that has /dev/console for you, and I never built in serial console support. I will, thuogh. Could you look into the lack of disk problems first? This is on an Indy, right? - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 25 14:15:13 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA80859 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:15:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA96776 for linux-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:14:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA96009 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:14:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA08091 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:14:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA15820 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:12:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:12:41 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: connectivity to linus... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 294 Lines: 13 Just so people know, and not to pester anyone, but linus.linux.sgi.com isn't reachable from the Internet once again. Could someone sort this out? Please, don't turn this into an SGI advocacy thread, please. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 25 14:27:00 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA75944 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:27:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA98480 for linux-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:26:20 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from piecomputer.engr.sgi.com (piecomputer.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.62]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA98030 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:26:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (mende@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from mende@localhost) by piecomputer.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA07774; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:26:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:26:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901252226.OAA07774@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com> From: Bob Mende Pie To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: (message from Alex deVries on Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:12:41 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: connectivity to linus... Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 282 Lines: 7 I just check on linus and was able to access the web server. I was able to do it from both SGI and from Rutgers. Are you still seeing problems. /Bob... mailto:mende@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/mende KF6EID From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 25 14:30:43 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA79951 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:30:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA90793 for linux-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:30:22 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA04078; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:30:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA00937; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:30:11 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA16683; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:29:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:29:33 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Bob Mende Pie cc: ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: connectivity to linus... In-Reply-To: <199901252226.OAA07774@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 255 Lines: 13 On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Bob Mende Pie wrote: > > I just check on linus and was able to access the web server. I was able > to do it from both SGI and from Rutgers. Are you still seeing problems. > > Ah, no it's back. all is well again. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 25 14:34:21 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA80354 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:34:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA87722 for linux-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:33:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dragon.engr.sgi.com (dragon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.63]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA95912 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:33:14 -0800 (PST) mail_from (sr@dragon.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from sr@localhost) by dragon.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA14443 for linux@relay.engr.sgi.com; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:33:13 -0800 (PST) From: sr@dragon.engr.sgi.com (Steve Rikli) Message-Id: <199901252233.OAA14443@dragon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: connectivity to linus... To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:33:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199901252226.OAA07774@piecomputer.engr.sgi.com> from "Bob Mende Pie" at Jan 25, 99 02:26:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 707 Lines: 18 Bob Mende Pie wrote: > > I just check on linus and was able to access the web server. I was able > to do it from both SGI and from Rutgers. Are you still seeing problems. We just swapped out the flakey hub that services that external network -- we tried to be quick but obviously not quick enough ... sorry 'bout that. It should be good to go again, but if not please let us know. cheers, sr. -- || Steve Rikli ||| || || Systems Administrator ||| You never want the one you can afford. || || NSD/SNS/ASD/SSBU/CSBU/...||| || || Silicon Graphics, Inc. ||| || From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 07:10:02 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA31659 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:10:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA23180 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:09:18 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA25599 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:09:16 -0800 (PST) mail_from (root@ammi.mclink.it) Received: from ammi.mclink.it (ammi.mclink.it [195.110.128.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA01789 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:09:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (root@ammi.mclink.it) Received: by ammi.mclink.it (8.9.1/8.9.0) id QAA29951; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:09:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:09:02 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Masotti To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: An X server for the 1600SW Flat Panel (Or just to get X right away) Message-Id: 1.0.1.199901261608.8803@mclink.it MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Easy-MAIL v1.01 Organization: MC-link the world online Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 356 Lines: 12 Hi, I just was wondering whether this option would be a thinkable way to an X server, of course in case one would go for the LCD Flat Panel onto the Visual WS. I mean, putting the Number Nine card in a Pci slot and then running the commercial X server off the current ported Linux. http://www.accelerated-x.com/media/announce.html Thanks, Marco From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 08:57:47 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA88274 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:57:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA63316 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:56:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com (xtp.engr.sgi.com [150.166.75.34]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA78143 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:56:53 -0800 (PST) mail_from (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) for linux@cthulhu id IAA02560; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:56:52 -0800 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9901260856.ZM2558@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:56:52 -0800 In-Reply-To: Marco Masotti "An X server for the 1600SW Flat Panel (Or just to get X right away)" (Jan 26, 4:09pm) References: 1.0.1.199901261608.8803@mclink.it X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: An X server for the 1600SW Flat Panel (Or just to get X right away) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1008 Lines: 34 On Jan 26, 4:09pm, Marco Masotti wrote: > Subject: An X server for the 1600SW Flat Panel (Or just to get X right aw > > > Hi, > > I just was wondering whether this option would be a thinkable way to an X server, of course in case one would go for the LCD Flat Panel onto the Visual WS. > > I mean, putting the Number Nine card in a Pci slot and then running the commercial X server off the current ported Linux. > > http://www.accelerated-x.com/media/announce.html > > Thanks, Marco >-- End of excerpt from Marco Masotti This probably works. I've seen a PCI/Nine board working with the 1600 display on a commodity box in the display lab. It was not running Linux so I can't comment on that. But the display and demos seemed to operate as well as on the SGI 320 running the same software side-by-side. The missing piece for me is having hardware-accelerated OpenGL working on that combination. I don't think we'll see that until sometime after the open-GLX work is complete. g -- Greg Chesson From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 09:08:39 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA55544 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:08:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA53556 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:07:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA52713 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:07:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (dialup84-9-2.swipnet.se [130.244.84.130]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA06096 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:07:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: by bun.falkenberg.se via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:59:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:59:36 +0100 From: Ulf Carlsson To: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Copying include files from IRIX? Message-ID: <19990126175936.A414@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: SGI Linux References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 12:04:27PM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 387 Lines: 13 On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 12:04:27PM -0500, Alex deVries wrote: > > There's a few gfx/newport include files that need to be added to the > kernel; I found this out when trying to get drawbars.c to build. > > I can steal everything directly from the IRIX include files, but I wonder > about copyright issues. > > What should I do about this? They can't copyright an interface. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 09:02:07 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA55233 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:02:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA60217 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:01:39 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA69147 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:01:38 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA09879 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:01:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA23754 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:03:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:03:08 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Parallel port support. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 381 Lines: 16 I've never seen any documentation of the parallel port that hangs off of the pbus; does anyone know: - what kind of chip it is - how it hangs off of the pbus? I'm thinking this is a pretty easy device driver to write for testing that the pbus code works well. It'd help out with HAL2 support. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 09:03:23 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA28694 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:03:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA63031 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:02:59 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA90528 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:02:57 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA09184 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:02:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA23814 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:04:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Copying include files from IRIX? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 351 Lines: 16 There's a few gfx/newport include files that need to be added to the kernel; I found this out when trying to get drawbars.c to build. I can steal everything directly from the IRIX include files, but I wonder about copyright issues. What should I do about this? - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 09:09:27 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA64845 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:09:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA74809 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:09:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA62859; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:09:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA16711; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:09:10 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901261709.JAA16711@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Parallel port support. In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jan 26, 99 12:03:08 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:09:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 386 Lines: 14 Alex deVries wrote: | | I've never seen any documentation of the parallel port that hangs off of | the pbus; does anyone know: | - what kind of chip it is Just another part of the hpc3 asic. | - how it hangs off of the pbus? It doesn't. That's just the address space where the control registers are. Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 09:15:27 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA67248 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:15:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA25262 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:14:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA45856; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:14:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA01633; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:14:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA24450; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:16:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:16:18 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Dave Olson cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Parallel port support. In-Reply-To: <199901261709.JAA16711@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 682 Lines: 27 On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Dave Olson wrote: > Alex deVries wrote: > | I've never seen any documentation of the parallel port that hangs off of > | the pbus; does anyone know: > | - what kind of chip it is > Just another part of the hpc3 asic. Oh, it's *included* in the HPC3? I'd missed that in the docs. > | - how it hangs off of the pbus? > It doesn't. That's just the address space where the control registers are. Ah, I see. So the only things that actually hang off the pbus in the indy are: - some of the SCSI control registers for the wd33c93 - HAL2 Where does ISDN fit in? What other machines have the HPC3, and what kind of devices do they have on them? - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 09:30:47 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA69264 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:30:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA76767 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:29:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA76293 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:29:53 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (dialup84-9-2.swipnet.se [130.244.84.130]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA01282 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:29:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: by bun.falkenberg.se via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:21:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:21:40 +0100 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Alex deVries Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: Parallel port support. Message-ID: <19990126182139.B414@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Alex deVries , Linux SGI References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 12:03:08PM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 737 Lines: 17 > I've never seen any documentation of the parallel port that hangs off of I'm curious as well. > I'm thinking this is a pretty easy device driver to write for testing that > the pbus code works well. It'd help out with HAL2 support. We don't need any special support for the PBUS when it comes to HAL2, and there's no special PBUS code written. Everything is done directly by reading/writing to the PBUS PIO registers, and they don't need any kind of setup. This is not difficult at all. What's more complicated is to setup the PBUS DMA, but the parallel port doesn't use DMA. It would be nice to have parallel port support, but the reason to write it is _not_ to make it easier to build the HAL2 driver. Write it anyway :) - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 09:35:05 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA35469 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:35:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA80178 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:34:26 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA67639 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:34:24 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (dialup84-9-2.swipnet.se [130.244.84.130]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA04389 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:34:22 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: by bun.falkenberg.se via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:26:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:26:09 +0100 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Alex deVries Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: Parallel port support. Message-ID: <19990126182609.A663@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Alex deVries , Linux SGI References: <199901261709.JAA16711@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 12:16:18PM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 217 Lines: 6 > Oh, it's *included* in the HPC3? I'd missed that in the docs. It should be in a separate document like the HAL2. None of the PBUS devices are documented in the HPC3 spec. Maybe it's some standard PC stuff? - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 09:56:15 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA78119 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:56:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA91539 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:55:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA63861; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:55:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA16896; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:55:16 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901261755.JAA16896@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Parallel port support. In-Reply-To: <19990126182609.A663@bun.falkenberg.se> from Ulf Carlsson at "Jan 26, 99 06:26:09 pm" To: ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se (Ulf Carlsson) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:55:16 -0800 (PST) Cc: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 423 Lines: 12 Ulf Carlsson wrote: | > Oh, it's *included* in the HPC3? I'd missed that in the docs. | | It should be in a separate document like the HAL2. None of the PBUS devices are | documented in the HPC3 spec. Maybe it's some standard PC stuff? HAL2 *is* a seperate chip. Documenting pieces of one chip in seperate docs would be, ummm, strange... Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 10:07:20 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA74460 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:07:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA74427 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:06:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA45326 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:06:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (dialup84-9-2.swipnet.se [130.244.84.130]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA09680 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:06:33 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: by bun.falkenberg.se via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:58:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:58:24 +0100 From: Ulf Carlsson To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Parallel port support. Message-ID: <19990126185824.A880@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com References: <19990126182609.A663@bun.falkenberg.se> <199901261755.JAA16896@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199901261755.JAA16896@anchor.engr.sgi.com>; from Dave Olson on Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 09:55:16AM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 224 Lines: 7 > HAL2 *is* a seperate chip. Documenting pieces of one chip in > seperate docs would be, ummm, strange... How would I know? I know where it's located in the memory space but not where it's located in the machine :) - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 10:11:21 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA41337 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:11:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA01455 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:10:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA78774; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:10:45 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA05682; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:10:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA28046; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:12:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:12:14 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Dave Olson cc: Ulf Carlsson , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Parallel port support. In-Reply-To: <199901261755.JAA16896@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 519 Lines: 15 On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Dave Olson wrote: > Ulf Carlsson wrote: > | > Oh, it's *included* in the HPC3? I'd missed that in the docs. > | > | It should be in a separate document like the HAL2. None of the PBUS devices are > | documented in the HPC3 spec. Maybe it's some standard PC stuff? > HAL2 *is* a seperate chip. Documenting pieces of one chip in > seperate docs would be, ummm, strange... Okay. So the HPC3 has lp support. I don't see any docs on registers, etc for it. Where might I find these? - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 10:23:47 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA65602 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:23:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA06750 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:22:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA85952 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:22:57 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA08768 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:22:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27612 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([206.222.251.11]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.01) with ESMTP id F66J2600.RRP; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:22:54 -0800 Message-ID: <36AE0859.D162C839@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:24:25 -0500 From: Mike Shaver Organization: Just Another Snake Cult X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.0-pre7-ac1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulf Carlsson CC: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Copying include files from IRIX? References: <19990126175936.A414@bun.falkenberg.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 517 Lines: 19 Ulf Carlsson wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 12:04:27PM -0500, Alex deVries wrote: > > I can steal everything directly from the IRIX include files, but I wonder > > about copyright issues. > > > > What should I do about this? > > They can't copyright an interface. But that's not what Alex is talking about. SGI can't prevent us (should they even want to!) from writing headers that correspond to the interface, but they could certainly protect their expression of that interface. Mike -- 87087.51 71746.30 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 10:33:36 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA95237 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:33:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA10439 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:32:40 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA08638; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:32:38 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA17419; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:32:38 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901261832.KAA17419@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Parallel port support. In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jan 26, 99 12:16:18 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:32:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1100 Lines: 35 Alex deVries wrote: | So the only things that actually hang off the pbus in the indy are: | - some of the SCSI control registers for the wd33c93 Yes, the "control" interface to the wd93. | - HAL2 Yep. And as earlier discussed: RTC, prom, interrupt controller, serial ports. Now, I do have an old spec that describes the parallel port as a seperate chip, but I am nearly certain we folded it into hpc3. I may have to retract that though. None of the specs I have in my office are the final versions, and I don't have an indigo2 lying around to look at the final chip layout. If you find a chip marked PI1, then I am remembering wrong, and we did the parallel port as a seperate chip. | Where does ISDN fit in? I don't remember, and I don't have the Indy specs handy, and I can't find the online docs right now. I think it went on the pbus, but that's a vague memory. | What other machines have the HPC3, and what kind of devices do they have | on them? Only the Indigo2 series (r4k, r8k, r10k) and Indy. Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 10:34:43 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA87343 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:34:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA01346 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:33:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA06337; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:33:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA17432; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:33:46 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901261833.KAA17432@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Parallel port support. In-Reply-To: <19990126185824.A880@bun.falkenberg.se> from Ulf Carlsson at "Jan 26, 99 06:58:24 pm" To: ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se (Ulf Carlsson) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:33:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 526 Lines: 14 Ulf Carlsson wrote: | > HAL2 *is* a seperate chip. Documenting pieces of one chip in | > seperate docs would be, ummm, strange... | | How would I know? I know where it's located in the memory space but not where | it's located in the machine :) On a seperate board, even (at least for the older indigo2, we were going to put on the system board later on, I just don't remember if we ever did it or not; Indy was always on the system board). Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 10:35:39 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA84482 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:35:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA96398 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:35:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA09574; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:34:59 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA17431; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:34:59 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901261834.KAA17431@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Parallel port support. In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jan 26, 99 01:12:14 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:34:58 -0800 (PST) Cc: ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 430 Lines: 13 Alex deVries wrote: | Okay. So the HPC3 has lp support. I don't see any docs on registers, etc | for it. Where might I find these? Well, in the irix include files, which doesn't help you much. I guess whomever at sgi is sponsoring the indigo2 linux port should be getting you the docs. I didn't even know about that until I read it on this list. Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 11:54:31 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA95678 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:54:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA98561 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:52:29 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgidal.dallas.sgi.com (sgidal.dallas.sgi.com [169.238.80.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA49634 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:52:27 -0800 (PST) mail_from (chad@roctane.dallas.sgi.com) Received: from roctane.dallas.sgi.com by sgidal.dallas.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id NAA27654; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:50:42 -0600 Received: from roctane.dallas.sgi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roctane.dallas.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA07111; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:50:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36AE1C8D.9BB6EB1@roctane.dallas.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:50:37 -0600 From: Chad Carlin Reply-To: chad@sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sgi.engr.linux To: Alex deVries CC: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Precompiled 2.1.131 binaries. References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E1525AC140A31ADE04C58465" Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 9035 Lines: 222 --------------E1525AC140A31ADE04C58465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linux on Indy problems. Cross-posting this one to sgi.engr.linux. Maybe someone here has had succes with Linux on an R4400 Indy. Here are some answers: > > 2) Does "VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly" mean that I guessed > > the correct disk partition to use? > > Probably... could you see what it reports for the SCSI probe? Yes, I get similar output describing vendor, model and disk sizes. All are correct. If I get this output am I OK in this regard. Should I compare this output with mine to look for discrepencies? > Could you see what it reports for partitioning? > > Mine says: > > Partition check: > sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 > sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 > Yes, I get this feedback. > > 3) What does init= mean in "Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing > > init= option to kernel"? > > It says this because it can't find /sbin/init, because it can't find the > root filesystem. That's what I was afraid of. At least my errors seem to be pointed at filesystem mounting. > > 4) This seems to suggest that the tty0 and tty1 have been discovered OK: > > SGI Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00 > > tty00 at 0xbfbd9838 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 > > tty01 at 0xbfbd9830 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 > > Why then would I get this error message? > > Warning: unable to open an initial console > > 5) Could someone point me to where I can browse the source for this indy kernel? > > Two reasons: there's no fielsystem that has /dev/console for you, and I > never built in serial console support. I will, thuogh. It seems like I had it in the previous vmlinux kernel. I was using my irix-indy's console port to connect to the console port of my linux-indy. I never got feedback on the local linux-indy's gfx (prom> setenv console d). With this new kernel, the reverse is true (now behaves like prom> setenv console g). > Could you look into the lack of disk problems first? This is on an Indy, > right? Yes it is. Aside from the config that I performed on the disk from IRIX (below), what else should I look at? What I did (from my recollection): irix% mk2efs /dev/dsk/dks0d1s0 irix% installer /dev/dsk/dks0d1s0 cjwsh> MAKEDEV (What should `ls dev` look like at this point?) cjwsh> cpio..... cjwsh> exit irix% e2fsck -fy /dev/linux-disk cp /dist/linux/mipseb/vmlinux /mnt/vmlinux (/mnt + /dks0d3s1) prom> boot vmlinux root=/dev/sdb3 (similar) Notes: IRIX 6.5 is installed on an XFS partition dks0d3s0. Linux was cpio'ed onto an ext2 partition at dks0d1s0. I have an IRIX made efs partition at dks0d1s1. In this case, I am following the instruction included with "Linux-installer". In these instructions there is no talk of using bootp/tftp/nfs for anything. Should these instructions work? Are these better/same/worse than the instructions available on the webpage which call for using bootp to get the kernel? BTW I did try the webpage instructions as well. I get errors like cannot open system console. This happens after the disk discovery completes OK or at least similar to your example. Is the reason for needing IRIX on the linux-indy?: a) Needs to boot sash from VH? b) Be able to run installion script which executes under IRIX? c) Some other reason? Thanks, Chad -- ----------------------------------------------------- Chad Carlin Special Systems Silicon Graphics Inc. 972.205.5911 Pager 888.754.1597 VMail 800.414.7994 X5344 chad@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/chad ----------------------------------------------------- "flying through hyper space ain't like dusting crops, boy" --------------E1525AC140A31ADE04C58465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linux on Indy problems.

Cross-posting this one to sgi.engr.linux. Maybe someone here has had succes with Linux on an
R4400 Indy.

Here are some answers:

> 2) Does "VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly" mean that I guessed
>   the correct disk partition to use?

Probably... could you see what it reports for the SCSI probe?

Yes, I get similar output describing vendor, model and disk sizes. All are correct. If I get this output
am I OK in this regard. Should I compare this output with mine to look for discrepencies?
Could you see what it reports for partitioning?

Mine says:

Partition check:
 sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4
 sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3
Yes, I get this feedback.
> 3) What does init= mean in "Kernel panic: No init found.  Try passing
>   init= option to kernel"?

It says this because it can't find /sbin/init, because it can't find the
root filesystem.

That's what I was afraid of. At least my errors seem to be pointed at filesystem mounting.
> 4) This seems to suggest that the tty0 and tty1 have been discovered OK:
>       SGI Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00
>       tty00 at 0xbfbd9838 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530
>       tty01 at 0xbfbd9830 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530
>  Why then would I get this error message?
>       Warning: unable to open an initial console
> 5) Could someone point me to where I can browse the source for this indy kernel?

Two reasons: there's no fielsystem that has /dev/console for you, and I
never built in serial console support.  I will, thuogh.

It seems like I had it in the previous vmlinux kernel. I was using my irix-indy's console port to
connect to the console port of my linux-indy. I never got feedback on the local linux-indy's gfx
(prom> setenv console d). With this new kernel, the reverse is true (now behaves like prom>
setenv console g).
Could you look into the lack of disk problems first?  This is on an Indy,
right?
Yes it is.

Aside from the config that I performed on the disk from IRIX (below), what else should I look at?

What I did (from my recollection):
irix% mk2efs /dev/dsk/dks0d1s0
irix% installer /dev/dsk/dks0d1s0
   cjwsh> MAKEDEV (What should `ls dev` look like at this point?)
   cjwsh> cpio.....
   cjwsh> exit
irix% e2fsck -fy /dev/linux-disk
cp /dist/linux/mipseb/vmlinux /mnt/vmlinux    (/mnt + /dks0d3s1)

prom> boot vmlinux root=/dev/sdb3 (similar)

Notes:
IRIX 6.5 is installed on an XFS partition dks0d3s0. Linux was cpio'ed onto an ext2 partition
at dks0d1s0. I have an IRIX made efs partition at dks0d1s1.

In this case, I am following the instruction included with "Linux-installer". In these instructions
there is no talk of using bootp/tftp/nfs for anything. Should these instructions work? Are these
better/same/worse than the instructions available on the webpage which call for using bootp to
get the kernel?

BTW I did try the webpage instructions as well. I get errors like cannot open system console.
This happens after the disk discovery completes OK or at least similar to your example.

Is the reason for needing IRIX on the linux-indy?: a) Needs to boot sash from VH? b) Be able
to run installion script which executes under IRIX? c) Some other reason?

Thanks,
Chad 

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           -----------------------------------------------------
            Chad Carlin                          Special Systems
            Silicon Graphics Inc.                   972.205.5911 
            Pager 888.754.1597          VMail 800.414.7994 X5344
            chad@sgi.com             http://reality.sgi.com/chad
           ----------------------------------------------------- 
        "flying through hyper space ain't like dusting crops, boy"
  --------------E1525AC140A31ADE04C58465-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 21:11:33 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA33153 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:11:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA60774 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:10:53 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA58103 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:10:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id VAA02375 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:10:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA08059 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:12:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: HAL code in the kernel... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 700 Lines: 28 So, I've merged Ulf's HAL code; I know it's not working at all yet, but putting it into CVS is the only way to work on it jointly. It'll build as a module or right into the kernel; it's a development option in the new category "SGI Devices". All the code's in drivers/sgi/audio (no, not drivers/sgi/char). Modules get installed in /lib/modules/%version/misc. I'm pretty sure Mike Shaver and Ariel could hear me screaming at CVS from California. So far, the total output of the driver is: hal2: rev: 4010 hal2: there was no device? sgiaudio: unable to find hal2 subsystem Clearly there's work to be done. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Jan 26 21:32:23 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA56091 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:32:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA49783 for linux-list; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:31:33 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA41844 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:31:31 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id VAA09195 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:31:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA09071 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:33:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:33:06 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Re: HAL code in the kernel... 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Zottola" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SGI Linux Group Subject: FORTRAN Compoiler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 971 Lines: 21 I am leading the effort to build a Beowulf cluster out of Indigo2's on the UAB campus. My student Andrew posted our intentions to this list a few days ago. While we are in the process of getting started in the porting process, I would like to do some benchmarking on the System we currently have. Therefore I need a compiler (or much less optimally - compilers) which run on MIPS architecture and can be used both with LINUX and IRIX. A tall order to be sure. I really do NOT want to use the gnu f77 compiler (and I do not know whether it will work on IRIX or not). I realize this is slightly off topic (ok greatly off topic), but any hints would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! -- ********* Mark A. 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However, programmers are working on friendlier versions of the language that have a Window-like interface. ((--New York Newsdesk (212) 859-1700)) --------------0825B38E5771FD06B5DAF19F-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 27 15:04:01 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA14731 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:04:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA13724 for linux-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:02:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA20706 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:02:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA02114 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:02:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (cacc-22.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.131.22]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA14371 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:02:40 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA01852; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:59:53 +0100 Message-ID: <19990127235951.C909@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:59:51 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: eak@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mdlug@collie.net Subject: Re: [Fwd: Linux on HP & SGI - FYI] References: <36AF893F.B347B59D@detroit.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <36AF893F.B347B59D@detroit.sgi.com>; from Eric Kimminau on Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 04:46:39PM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 86 Lines: 5 There is more press today on www.news.com. So when will we do Linux/Cray ;-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 27 15:13:35 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA25303 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:13:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA60805 for linux-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:12:31 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA23663 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:12:29 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA02505 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:12:27 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA18252; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:13:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:13:24 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: eak@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mdlug@collie.net Subject: Re: [Fwd: Linux on HP & SGI - FYI] In-Reply-To: <19990127235951.C909@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 238 Lines: 14 On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > So when will we do Linux/Cray ;-) Ariel, Could you kindly fedex me a Cray so I can start churning out rpms? I'm sure if you sent one to Ralf he'd finish the kernel. Thanks! - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 27 15:28:52 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA42179 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:28:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA25894 for linux-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:28:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA26628 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:27:59 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA02217 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:27:57 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (cacc-22.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.131.22]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA15654 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:27:54 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA16826; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:25:51 +0100 Message-ID: <19990128002550.F909@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:25:50 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: "Mark A. Zottola" , SGI Linux Group Subject: Re: FORTRAN Compoiler References: <36AF5027.80A9F6CD@asc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <36AF5027.80A9F6CD@asc.edu>; from Mark A. Zottola on Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 11:43:03AM -0600 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 856 Lines: 17 On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 11:43:03AM -0600, Mark A. Zottola wrote: > I am leading the effort to build a Beowulf cluster out of Indigo2's on > the UAB campus. My student Andrew posted our intentions to this list a > few days ago. While we are in the process of getting started in the > porting process, I would like to do some benchmarking on the System we > currently have. Therefore I need a compiler (or much less optimally - > compilers) which run on MIPS architecture and can be used both with > LINUX and IRIX. A tall order to be sure. I really do NOT want to use the > gnu f77 compiler (and I do not know whether it will work on IRIX or > not). You can try to either porting g77 or alternativly f2c which is already available on ftp.linux.sgi.com. I'm shure there is no other commercial quality (whatever that means ...) compiler available. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 27 16:00:14 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA75701 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:00:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA53051 for linux-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:59:09 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA42246; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:59:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA02961; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:59:05 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199901272359.PAA02961@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Linux on HP & SGI - FYI] To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:59:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, eak@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mdlug@collie.net In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at Jan 27, 99 06:13:24 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 335 Lines: 22 : : :On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: :> So when will we do Linux/Cray ;-) : :Ariel, : :Could you kindly fedex me a Cray so I can start churning out rpms? I'm :sure if you sent one to Ralf he'd finish the kernel. : :Thanks! : :- Alex : : Sure, no problem, What was that snail mail address again :-) -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Jan 27 16:49:16 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA17129 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:49:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA51213 for linux-list; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:48:14 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA78888 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:48:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA09220 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:48:09 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA22773; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:49:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:49:51 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: "Ulf Carlson " cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: CVS Update@linus.linux.sgi.com: linux In-Reply-To: <199901280038.QAA15106@linus.linux.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1275 Lines: 48 okay, here's the output of mine: [root@black linux]# /sbin/insmod hal2 SGI HAL2 Processor, Revision 4.1.0 hal2: checking registers hal2: waiting isr:0000 idr0:0000 idr1:0000 idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: finished waiting at cnt:0 isr:03e8 idr0:0000 idr1:0000 idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: wrote #1 hal2: waiting isr:0000 idr0:0000 idr1:0000 idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: finished waiting at cnt:0 isr:03e8 idr0:0000 idr1:0000 idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: wrote #2 hal2: waiting isr:0000 idr0:0000 idr1:0000 idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: finished waiting at cnt:0 isr:03e8 idr0:0000 idr1:0000 idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: Didn't pass register check #1 (0000) sgiaudio: unable to find hal2 subsystem -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Ulf Carlson wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:38:49 -0800 > From: "Ulf Carlson " > To: linux-cvs@linus.linux.sgi.com > Subject: CVS Update@linus.linux.sgi.com: linux > > CVSROOT: /src/cvs > Module name: linux > Changes by: ulfc@linus.linux.sgi.com 99/01/27 16:38:48 > > Modified files: > drivers/sgi/audio: hal2.c > > Log message: > some more printks and minor changes > > Ralf: We might need a hand here > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 00:03:53 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA15114 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:03:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA22403 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:03:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA95995 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:03:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id AAA02298 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:03:05 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA06026 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:04:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:04:52 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Problems modularizing newport graphics. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1174 Lines: 37 Alright. I know this sounds a bit weird, but I'm trying to modularize graphics.o. Why? So we can debug newport graphics properly. Just so people know where things are at; the drawbars in the XFree tree in CVS doesn't do a thing; there's an issue with the ioctl handling in drivers/sgi/char/graphics.c . So, to avoid having to reboot every 5 minutes I'm trying to make graphics loadable and unloadable. This'd be good for all of you who have no graphics. Same with keyboard support, but that's another story. So, the kernel now builds without graphics.o. Not terribly difficult. But when I try to insert the module: [root@black char]# /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.1.131/misc/graphics.o /lib/modules/2.1.131/misc/graphics.o: couldn't find the kernel version the module was compiled for I know this kernel was built for this kernel. Using -f doesn't help. I notice all the modules have a symbol in their nm output called __module_kernel_version. graphics.o does not. How does this get added? Please? I'm tempted to commit my code because graphics.c wasn't working anyway. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 00:13:04 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA25871 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:13:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA16765 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:12:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA25392 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:12:36 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id AAA04088 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:12:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA06121 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:14:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:14:21 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Problems modularizing newport graphics. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 507 Lines: 16 On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Alex deVries wrote: > But when I try to insert the module: > [root@black char]# /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.1.131/misc/graphics.o > /lib/modules/2.1.131/misc/graphics.o: couldn't find the kernel version the > module was compiled for > > I know this kernel was built for this kernel. Using -f doesn't help. Oh, never mind. I'm just being stupid and forgot #include because of an editing mistake. Just ignore me and go back to doing what you were doing. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 00:51:57 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA69195 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:51:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA32237 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:51:20 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA30423 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:51:18 -0800 (PST) mail_from (tomilepp@ousrvr2.oulu.fi) Received: from ousrvr2.oulu.fi (ousrvr2.oulu.fi [130.231.240.7]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id AAA00752 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:51:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (tomilepp@ousrvr2.oulu.fi) Received: (from tomilepp@localhost) by ousrvr2.oulu.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25682 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:51:16 +0200 (EET) From: Tomi Leppikangas Message-Id: <199901280851.KAA25682@ousrvr2.oulu.fi> Subject: Re: Problems modularizing newport graphics. To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:51:15 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Jan 28, 99 03:04:52 am" Reply-To: Tomi.Leppikangas@oulu.fi X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 627 Lines: 15 > Alright. I know this sounds a bit weird, but I'm trying to modularize > graphics.o. Why? So we can debug newport graphics properly. > > Just so people know where things are at; the drawbars in the XFree tree in > CVS doesn't do a thing; there's an issue with the ioctl handling in > drivers/sgi/char/graphics.c . Hey this sounds good, i thougt that nothing is hapening for X. Is there anyone else doing something for getting x-server running on sgi-linux? Is there any other info available than whats on ftp.linux.sgi.com? -- ## Tomi.Leppikangas@oulu.fi ## ## http://www.student.oulu.fi/~tomilepp/ ## From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 02:39:43 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA88218 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:39:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA54222 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:39:07 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA52132 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:39:05 -0800 (PST) mail_from (nachtfalke@usa.net) Received: from mail.urz.uni-wuppertal.de (mail.urz.uni-wuppertal.de [132.195.64.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA03594 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:39:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (nachtfalke@usa.net) Received: from ganymede.priv (root@isdn117.dialin.uni-wuppertal.de [132.195.23.117]) by mail.urz.uni-wuppertal.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22408597 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:38:43 +0100 (MET) Received: (from nachtfalke@localhost) by ganymede.priv (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00301 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:41:16 +0100 From: Alexander Graefe Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:41:16 +0100 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Installing Linux on an Indy with 1 HD Message-ID: <19990128114116.A296@ganymede> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i X-Gott: Lyta Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 302 Lines: 12 Hi. I was wondering if SGI-Linux can be installed as the only OS on an Indy, because I only have one 2GB HD and I want that all for Linux :) (plus I only have IRIX 5.3 without IDO, which makes compiling the necessary GNU-Programs impossible) Bye, LeX -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 02:52:17 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA00925 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:52:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA37765 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:51:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA50067 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:51:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from perron-null.patser.net (9dyn115.breda.casema.net [195.96.116.115]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA09864 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:51:39 -0800 (PST) mail_from (richard@infopact.nl) Received: from infopact.nl (indigo2.patser.net [192.168.6.40]) by perron-null.patser.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA23984; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:37:56 +0100 Message-ID: <36B0424A.D7294208@infopact.nl> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:56:10 -0800 From: Richard Hartensveld X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Graefe CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Installing Linux on an Indy with 1 HD References: <19990128114116.A296@ganymede> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 264 Lines: 14 Alexander Graefe wrote: > Hi. > > I was wondering if SGI-Linux can be installed as the only OS on an > Indy, because I only have one 2GB HD and I want that all for Linux :) Sure, just boot the kernel over the network like you did on install. Cheers, Richard From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 06:51:25 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA68852 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:51:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA30355 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:50:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA79261; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:50:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from mail128.detroit.sgi.com (mail128.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.42]) by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA06625; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from detroit.sgi.com (cx1.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.130.4]) by mail128.detroit.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA11243; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:49:40 -0500 Message-ID: <36B077FF.1231B386@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:45:19 -0500 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ariel Faigon CC: Alex deVries , ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mdlug@collie.net Subject: Re: [Fwd: Linux on HP & SGI - FYI] References: <199901272359.PAA02961@oz.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 922 Lines: 39 Ariel Faigon wrote: > > : > : > :On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > :> So when will we do Linux/Cray ;-) > : > :Ariel, > : > :Could you kindly fedex me a Cray so I can start churning out rpms? I'm > :sure if you sent one to Ralf he'd finish the kernel. > : > :Thanks! > : > :- Alex > : > : > > Sure, no problem, > > What was that snail mail address again :-) > > -- > Peace, Ariel Be sure to get that 13k volt power supply and water cooling tower installed ASAP. *<[|^} -- ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau eak@detroit.sgi.com Field Technical Support SGI 39001 W. 12 Mile Rd. Farmington, MI 48331-2903 Vox:(248)848-4455 Fax:(248)848-5600 VNET:6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up..." http://support.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 07:34:04 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA76087 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:34:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA06673 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:33:05 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA06434 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:33:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (rstone@vitelus.com) Received: from vitelus.com (cm2081635155.cableco-op.com [208.163.51.55]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA04358 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:33:03 -0800 (PST) mail_from (rstone@vitelus.com) Received: from www.vitelus.com (www.vitelus.com [208.163.51.55]) by vitelus.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09265; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:33:28 -0800 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:33:28 +0000 ( ) From: Robbie Stone To: Alexander Graefe cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Installing Linux on an Indy with 1 HD In-Reply-To: <19990128114116.A296@ganymede> Message-ID: X-Fortune: d00d MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 688 Lines: 24 Er, you can use gcc for most all of your building, as a matter of fact it seems to not comlain about errors even close to as freqentley as the SGI compiler does. Although it's less optimized it's still running.... ----------------------------- Robbie Stone, rstone@vitelus.com Serendipity Simplex On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Alexander Graefe wrote: :->Hi. :-> :->I was wondering if SGI-Linux can be installed as the only OS on an :->Indy, because I only have one 2GB HD and I want that all for Linux :) :->(plus I only have IRIX 5.3 without IDO, which makes compiling the :->necessary GNU-Programs impossible) :-> :->Bye, :-> LeX :-> :->-- :->Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. :-> From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 06:59:49 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA53068 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:59:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA64843 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:59:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA11102; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:58:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id GAA06291; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:58:57 -0800 (PST) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (lightning.swansea.uk.linux.org [194.168.151.1]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA06866; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:57:18 GMT Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m105tkZ-0007U2C; Thu, 28 Jan 99 15:52 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Linux on HP & SGI - FYI] To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:52:58 +0000 (GMT) Cc: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, ralf@uni-koblenz.de, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mdlug@collie.net In-Reply-To: <36B077FF.1231B386@detroit.sgi.com> from "Eric Kimminau" at Jan 28, 99 09:45:19 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 360 Lines: 10 > > :Could you kindly fedex me a Cray so I can start churning out rpms? I'm > > :sure if you sent one to Ralf he'd finish the kernel. > > : > > What was that snail mail address again :-) > Be sure to get that 13k volt power supply and water cooling tower installed > ASAP. I thought the Cray ELC could run single processor off a conventional wall socket ? From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 08:35:41 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA83172 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:35:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA22645 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:34:24 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA24662 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:34:21 -0800 (PST) mail_from (rjh@pixel.maths.monash.edu.au) Received: from pixel.maths.monash.edu.au (pixel.maths.monash.edu.au [130.194.160.20]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA02511 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:34:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (rjh@pixel.maths.monash.edu.au) Received: (from rjh@localhost) by pixel.maths.monash.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8-ajr) id DAA10412; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:34:00 +1100 (EDT) From: Robin Humble Message-Id: <199901281634.DAA10412@pixel.maths.monash.edu.au> Subject: Re: Installing Linux on an Indy with 1 HD To: rstone@vitelus.com (Robbie Stone) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:34:00 +1100 (EDT) Cc: nachtfalke@usa.net, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Robbie Stone" at Jan 28, 99 03:33:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1279 Lines: 30 >Er, you can use gcc for most all of your building, as a matter of fact it Actually if you're talking about using gcc under IRIX then IRIX 5.3 doesn't come with the necessary header files to compile anything(*). You need the IDO or IRIX >= 6.5 which Alexander does not posess. Also just to clear up some apparent confusion (which may well be mine rather than Alexanders) in order to install SGI-Linux for Indy you don't actually need to compile anything... I would also point out that Linux on Indy doesn't support any X11 graphics yet. Swapping from IRIX 5.3 to something text-only could be a bit of a shock... But wait a few months and life could be all xPeaches and xCream :-) Personally I'd try to find a small (hyper-cheap/free) old SCSI drive (erm, 300-500M would do?) and install on that. Or do like Richard suggested and permanently run your Linux/Indy off a network root drive. cheers, robin (*) except the IRIX kernel. It uses a weirdly lobotomised compiler hidden well away... -- He'd found that even the people whose job of work was, so to speak, the Universe, didn't really believe in it and were actually quite proud of not knowing what it really was or even if it could theoretically exist. Robin Humble / http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~rjh/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 08:46:20 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA88883 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:46:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA27963 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:45:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA27985 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:44:59 -0800 (PST) mail_from (topcat@develop.nmdg.com) Received: from develop.nmdg.com (develop.nmdg.com [204.120.68.101]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA09307 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:44:58 -0800 (PST) mail_from (topcat@develop.nmdg.com) Received: from [208.3.66.17] (dt092ndb.maine.rr.com [24.93.155.219]) by develop.nmdg.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24513 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:38:10 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail demo 2.3.1 x-sender: topcat@develop.nmdg.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:04:45 -0500 To: sgilinux From: Trevor Jennings Subject: Linux on C/net Message-Id: <19990128120445.022211@develop.nmdg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 247 Lines: 12 Hi, I thought some of you might be interested in this article from C/net about Linux: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C31511%2C00.html?dd.ne.tx.ts3.0127 Yes, I know its really off topic, but still, it mentions SGI and Linux. - Trevor From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 25 10:50:19 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA69627 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:50:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA93940 for linux-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:49:09 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA90802 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:49:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (dialup151-2-41.swipnet.se [130.244.151.105]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA00104 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:49:03 -0500 (EST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: by bun.falkenberg.se via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:50:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:50:21 +0100 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Alex deVries Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: HAL2 support. Message-ID: <19990128195021.A897@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Alex deVries , Linux SGI References: <19990128004527.A1266@bun.falkenberg.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 01:12:55PM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2110 Lines: 59 > First, many thanks for the files. > > Do you mind if I cvs upload them to the SGI kernel mailing list? CVS upload them to the mailing list, I don't get your point here. I have CVS access so I may upload them if I want to, and I can post it to the mailing list if you want me to. But it feels like too much people would laugh at me if I posted it at the moment.. I'll atleast get it through the compiler once again. > Do you mind if we hold this discussion on the SGI list once I do that? Sure, I actually forgot to group reply, that's why this discussion isn't (wasn't) on the list :-) > Next, I was hoping you could explain this bit of code to me, I don't quite > see how it's right from the docs. I'm looking at page 13 of the HAL2 > docs. Does something else bother you than the incorrect type? I can't see anything else being wrong here. [snip] > typedef volatile unsigned long hpcreg; How stupid! I thought I had checked that it was unsigned short.. ;) My spacing depends on that.. > Next, your spacing isn't quite right I don't think. I think it needs to > be: > > typedef volatile __u16 hal_reg; > > struct hal2_ctrl_regs { > hal_reg _unused0[8]; > hal_reg isr; /* 0x10 Status Register */ > hal_reg _unused1[7]; > hal_reg rev; /* 0x20 Revision Register */ > hal_reg _unused2[7]; > hal_reg iar; /* 0x30 Indirect Address Register */ > hal_reg _unused3[7]; > hal_reg idr0; /* 0x40 Indirect Data Register 0 */ > hal_reg _unused4[7]; > hal_reg idr1; /* 0x50 Indirect Data Register 1 */ > hal_reg _unused5[7]; > hal_reg idr2; /* 0x60 Indirect Data Register 2 */ > hal_reg _unused6[7]; > hal_reg idr3; /* 0x70 Indirect Data Register 3 */ > } *h2_ctrl = (hal2_ctrl_regs *) H2_CTRL_PIO; And this line should actually be: } *h2_ctrl = (hal2_ctrl_regs *) KSEG1ADDR(H2_CTRL_PIO); > Does that make sense, or otherwise, what was your thought on this? It probably does, I have found two bugs so far. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 25 12:32:10 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA58922 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:32:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA82918 for linux-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:31:33 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA29122 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:31:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (dialup89-3-7.swipnet.se [130.244.89.39]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA01364 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:31:26 -0500 (EST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: by bun.falkenberg.se via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:32:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:32:35 +0100 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Alex deVries Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: HAL2 support. Message-ID: <19990128213235.A2872@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Alex deVries , Linux SGI References: <19990128195021.A897@bun.falkenberg.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 02:27:12PM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 646 Lines: 21 > I'll merge them with a modern kernel and make sure that it all builds > properly. That should be done in the next 30 hours. Woo! Finally! Kernel > work! As you wish. I have actually merged it before, I can send you an old patch so you can see what it should look like. > > And this line should actually be: > > } *h2_ctrl = (hal2_ctrl_regs *) KSEG1ADDR(H2_CTRL_PIO); > > Okay. Why's that? Because it has to be in the virtual address space. > Anyway, I'll get this code into the kernel so we have a way to debug it in > a distributed fashion. It's clear there'll be problems with it; we'll get > through that over time. Great.. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Jan 25 14:15:13 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA04713 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:15:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA85221 for linux-list; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:13:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA92487 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:13:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (dialup89-3-7.swipnet.se [130.244.89.39]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA07277 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:13:23 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: by bun.falkenberg.se via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:07:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:07:28 +0100 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: linus.linux.sgi.com Message-ID: <19990128230728.A4232@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 121 Lines: 7 Hi, What happend to linus, he seems to be dead. He doesn't reply on pings anymore. Is it the router once again? - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 15:05:39 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA10054 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:05:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA72760 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:04:08 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA72563 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:04:07 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA05900 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:04:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA08201 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:05:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:05:54 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: More HAL2 debugging.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 786 Lines: 28 Here's the latest: resetting global isr:0018 reset done isr:0000 reactivation done isr:0000 SGI HAL2 Processor, Revision 4.1.0 hal2: checking registers hal2: waiting isr:0000 idr0:0000 idr1:ffff idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: finished waiting at cnt:1000 isr:0000 idr0:0000 idr1:ffff idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: wrote #1 hal2: waiting isr:0000 idr0:0000 idr1:0000 idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: finished waiting at cnt:1000 isr:0000 idr0:0000 idr1:0000 idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: wrote #2 hal2: waiting isr:0000 idr0:0000 idr1:0000 idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: finished waiting at cnt:1000 isr:0000 idr0:0000 idr1:0000 idr2:0000 idr3:0000 hal2: Didn't pass register check #1 (0000) sgiaudio: unable to find hal2 subsystem -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Jan 28 23:40:24 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA83927 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:40:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA17844 for linux-list; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:39:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA10035 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:39:45 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA02563 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:39:44 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA28836 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:41:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:41:39 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Finally, a press release. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 447 Lines: 17 http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/1999/january/servers.html I'm not sure it says much really concrete, but it is interesting. I wonder how this'll change the way this group operates. A lot of us have learned an amazing amount through Linux on Indy, and I think we've produced something remarkable. Let's hope making Linux official only adds to it. - Alex -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. I know exactly what I want in life. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 29 01:15:11 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA37991 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:15:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA24838 for linux-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:14:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA40149; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:14:16 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA13273; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199901290914.BAA13273@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Finally, a press release. To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:14:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at Jan 29, 99 02:41:39 am Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2265 Lines: 58 : : :http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/1999/january/servers.html : :I'm not sure it says much really concrete, but it is interesting. : Hi Alex (and Ralf, Miguel, David, Alan, Mike, Larry, Greg, Richard, Bent, Kurt, Jon, Bob, Bill, Dave, David, Steve, Alistair, Eric, Thomas, Andi, Mark, Oliver, Leon, Ulf, Honza, and apologies to whoever I forgot to mention inside or outside SGI) Basically this is the first public and official, even strategic SGI commitment to Linux so I think we should all take the time and celebrate the moment. Beau Vrolyk who is directly quoted in the release many times is a Senior VP reporting directly to Rick Belluzzo, our CEO. The bottom line is that all the top management at SGI is recognizing the importance of Linux. This is in part thanks to Linus and all the contributors who kept the faith and put long hours without being paid for it into Linux and Open Source in general and Linux/SGI in particular to make it the amazing success that it is today. Personally, for me this is a dream come true after over 3 years of evangelizing Linux / Open Source at SGI (and many many of e-mails of encouragement to Beau and others :-) :I wonder how this'll change the way this group operates. A lot of us have :learned an amazing amount through Linux on Indy, and I think we've :produced something remarkable. Let's hope making Linux official only :adds to it. : Note the part that explicitly mentions you all: "The company has actively worked with the Open Source community by supporting Linux since the 1994 introduction of its Indy® workstation and with support for Samba and HylaFax. In December 1998, the company joined Linux International and introduced support of Samba 2.0 for its OriginTM server line, enabling data consolidation and the world's fastest data interoperability among Windows® and UNIX platform clients. Silicon Graphics is the first commercial UNIX vendor to support Samba software, a widely used suite of open source programs that simplifies integration of multi-platform environments." You should be all proud of the work you've done. The best moments are just ahead of us ! :- Alex : :-- :Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. :I know exactly what I want in life. : : -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 29 06:39:41 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA59326 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:39:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA98245 for linux-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:38:45 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA04867 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:38:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from mail128.detroit.sgi.com (mail128.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.42]) by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA27397; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:38:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from detroit.sgi.com (cx1.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.130.4]) by mail128.detroit.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA17988; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:38:39 -0500 Message-ID: <36B1C6EA.51D642B2@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:34:18 -0500 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@detroit.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, MDLUG Subject: Press Release: Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership into New Areas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 314 Lines: 8 Here is the title: Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership into New Areas The Company's Strategy Encompasses an IA-32 Server with Support for Linux and Windows NT and Extended MIPS Roadmap Here is the link: http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/1999/january/servers.html From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 29 07:35:31 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA49634 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:35:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA18519 for linux-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:34:24 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA16084 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:34:22 -0800 (PST) mail_from (rstone@vitelus.com) Received: from vitelus.com (cm2081635155.cableco-op.com [208.163.51.55]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA02337 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:34:21 -0800 (PST) mail_from (rstone@vitelus.com) Received: from www.vitelus.com (www.vitelus.com [208.163.51.55]) by vitelus.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA15837; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:34:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:34:15 +0000 ( ) From: Robbie Stone To: Eric Kimminau cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, MDLUG Subject: Re: Press Release: Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership into New Areas In-Reply-To: <36B1C6EA.51D642B2@detroit.sgi.com> Message-ID: X-Fortune: d00d MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 636 Lines: 20 Interesting, since as I read it implies in the picture that IRIX will be able to run on x86's on the future, although pictures are notorious for being a little off. ----------------------------- Robbie Stone, rstone@vitelus.com Serendipity Simplex On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Eric Kimminau wrote: :->Here is the title: :->Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership :->into New Areas :->The Company's Strategy Encompasses an IA-32 Server with Support for Linux and :->Windows NT and Extended MIPS Roadmap :-> :->Here is the link: :->http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/1999/january/servers.html :-> From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 29 08:59:47 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA53913 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:59:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA42591 for linux-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:59:02 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA41839; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:59:00 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA90483; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901291658.IAA90483@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Press Release: Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership into New Areas In-Reply-To: from Robbie Stone at "Jan 29, 99 03:34:15 pm" To: rstone@vitelus.com (Robbie Stone) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) Cc: eak@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mdlug@collie.net Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 358 Lines: 8 Robbie Stone wrote: | Interesting, since as I read it implies in the picture that IRIX will be | able to run on x86's on the future, although pictures are notorious for | being a little off. No, there is no such intention or implication. If you'll let me know what you thought implied that, I'll be sure that they say things differently in the future. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 29 09:18:44 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA41380 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:18:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA49014 for linux-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:17:38 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA46574 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:17:36 -0800 (PST) mail_from (imp@village.org) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id JAA03630 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:17:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 106HXk-0006Cf-00; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:17:20 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA66967; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:17:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199901291717.KAA66967@harmony.village.org> To: Robbie Stone Subject: Re: Press Release: Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership into New Areas Cc: Eric Kimminau , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, MDLUG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:34:15 GMT." References: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:17:25 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 72 Lines: 5 What's IA-32 and IA-64? Are these newspeak for x86 and merced? Warner From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 29 09:41:41 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA05986 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:41:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA16438 for linux-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:40:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.141]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA56180; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:40:13 -0800 (PST) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA10189; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:39:52 -0800 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:39:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199901291739.JAA10189@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Warner Losh Cc: Robbie Stone , Eric Kimminau , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, MDLUG Subject: Re: Press Release: Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership into New Areas In-Reply-To: <199901291717.KAA66967@harmony.village.org> References: <199901291717.KAA66967@harmony.village.org> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 123 Lines: 6 Warner Losh writes: > What's IA-32 and IA-64? > > Are these newspeak for x86 and merced? They are Intel-speak. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 29 12:03:23 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA09872 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:03:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA90123 for linux-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:02:19 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from hollywood.engr.sgi.com (hollywood.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.38]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA06009 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:02:18 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@hollywood.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from fisher@localhost) by hollywood.engr.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA05273; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:01:07 -0800 From: fisher@hollywood.engr.sgi.com (William Fisher) Message-Id: <199901292001.MAA05273@hollywood.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Finally, a press release. To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:01:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca, linux@hollywood.engr.sgi.com, fisher@hollywood.engr.sgi.com (William Fisher) In-Reply-To: <199901290914.BAA13273@oz.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at Jan 29, 99 01:14:15 am Reply-To: fisher@sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 4062 Lines: 89 > > : > : > :http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/1999/january/servers.html > : > :I'm not sure it says much really concrete, but it is interesting. > : > Hi Alex (and Ralf, Miguel, David, Alan, Mike, Larry, Greg, Richard, > Bent, Kurt, Jon, Bob, Bill, Dave, David, Steve, Alistair, Eric, > Thomas, Andi, Mark, Oliver, Leon, Ulf, Honza, and apologies to > whoever I forgot to mention inside or outside SGI) > > Basically this is the first public and official, even strategic > SGI commitment to Linux so I think we should all take the > time and celebrate the moment. > > Beau Vrolyk who is directly quoted in the release many times > is a Senior VP reporting directly to Rick Belluzzo, our CEO. > > The bottom line is that all the top management at SGI is > recognizing the importance of Linux. This is in part thanks > to Linus and all the contributors who kept the faith and put > long hours without being paid for it into Linux and Open Source > in general and Linux/SGI in particular to make it the amazing success > that it is today. Personally, for me this is a dream come true > after over 3 years of evangelizing Linux / Open Source at SGI > (and many many of e-mails of encouragement to Beau and others :-) > This month's issue of the the IEEE Computer Magazine, February 1999, Pages 125-128, has a very well written editorial about the "Linux" and Open Source "movement". The article/editorial is titled "The Open Source Acid Test" and was written by Ted Lewis. If I can find an on-line version, I'll e-mail it to the mailing list. For those that take this publication it is a pretty good read. Ted Lewis's bottom line is that the Linux and Open Source movement has been gaining market share starting with nothing both because is is "free" and because it is simple and relatively easy to extend since the Linux kernel is still a small number of lines of code. His main argument is that the first wave of market acceptance is "easy" since you are starting from zero. When "Linux or Open Source" becomes a competitive threat to the major computer vendors and software vendors, Microsoft and the others will use the "absorb-and-extend" used against Netscape, to neutralize your market penetration and reduce your competitive threat. Also these is a nice discussion on the total-cost-of-ownership of software products, and a number of graphs of the complexity versus time of OS's and applications. > > :I wonder how this'll change the way this group operates. A lot of us ha= > ve > :learned an amazing amount through Linux on Indy, and I think we've > :produced something remarkable. Let's hope making Linux official only > :adds to it. > : > Note the part that explicitly mentions you all: > > "The company has actively worked with the Open Source community by > supporting Linux since the 1994 introduction of its Indy=AE workstation > and with support for Samba and HylaFax. In December 1998, the company > joined Linux International and introduced support of Samba 2.0 for its > OriginTM server line, enabling data consolidation and the world's fastest > data interoperability among Windows=AE and UNIX platform clients. Silicon > Graphics is the first commercial UNIX vendor to support Samba software, > a widely used suite of open source programs that simplifies integration of > multi-platform environments." > > You should be all proud of the work you've done. The best moments > are just ahead of us ! > The Linux and *BSD Communities I believe are just beginning to see the the limits of "free" volunteer labor. Jordon Hubbard state of the Union message to the FreeBSD mailing list notes a couple of disturbing trends. How the future of the Open Source movement and any business'es which are based on this model will play out in the silicon valley will be interesting to watch. A number of the steps which have occurred in the Open Source movement are predicted by a number of Ted's observations. I wonder how far it will go until Microsoft does something to co-op it. -- Bill From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 29 15:41:58 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA76488 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:41:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA88686 for linux-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:41:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA84577 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:41:02 -0800 (PST) mail_from (soffia@dedalomedia.it) Received: from mailserver.mediacity.it (mailserver.mediacity.it [195.120.219.5]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA02330 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:40:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (soffia@dedalomedia.it) Received: by mailserver.mediacity.it with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.25 AS-0098304) for at Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:38:37 +0100 From: "Soffia Mirko" To: Subject: some news about ...????? Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:30:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01be4bdf$6142a3a0$0e00000a@soffiam.intra.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 30 Lines: 1 some news about Indigo2?????? From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 29 17:41:08 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA13682 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:41:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA27257 for linux-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:40:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA13523 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:40:08 -0800 (PST) mail_from (pim@webcity.nl) Received: from jones.stealthweb.com (dc2-isdn641.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.150.129]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id RAA02229 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:40:06 -0800 (PST) mail_from (pim@webcity.nl) Received: from webcity.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jones.stealthweb.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA13884 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:39:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <36B262CD.8D52F102@webcity.nl> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:39:25 +0100 From: Pim van Riezen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: some news about ...????? References: <000d01be4bdf$6142a3a0$0e00000a@soffiam.intra.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 780 Lines: 20 Soffia Mirko wrote: > > some news about Indigo2?????? INDIGO2 VICTIM OF FREAK ACCIDENT Washington - The carcass of an Indigo2 was found stuck to top of the Washington monument last afternoon. Preliminary investigation showed the police that the purple object seemed to have gotten stuck in this sticky situation after having been launched together with a family pack of Bubba Joe chewing gum from a Medieval Siege Catapult that was on show at the Natural History Museum. Noone has claimed the machine yet. HTH. HAND. -- "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so." Patron Saint of Breakfast Cereal, Occultist (not precluding rogue obscenities such as IRIX and C++), Casual Poet, Occasional Composer, Oper Bastard for Undernet.Org, Freelance LART for #linux From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 29 17:53:53 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA18779 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:53:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA30525 for linux-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:52:52 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA98301 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:52:50 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id RAA08928 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:52:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (cacc-2.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.131.2]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA16347 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:52:42 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA03560 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:50:37 +0100 Message-ID: <19990130025036.A3494@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:50:36 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: news.com article Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 127 Lines: 4 Btw, the article http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,31682,00.html?st.ne.fd.mdh has a reference to www.linux.sgi.com :-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 29 22:36:28 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA67563 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:36:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA95827 for linux-list; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:35:36 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA93476; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:35:33 -0800 (PST) mail_from (rstone@vitelus.com) Received: from vitelus.com (cm2081635155.cableco-op.com [208.163.51.55]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA01167; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:35:32 -0800 (PST) mail_from (rstone@vitelus.com) Received: from www.vitelus.com (www.vitelus.com [208.163.51.55]) by vitelus.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA20105; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:35:55 -0800 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 06:35:55 +0000 ( ) From: Robbie Stone To: Dave Olson cc: eak@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mdlug@collie.net Subject: Re: Press Release: Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership into New Areas In-Reply-To: <199901291658.IAA90483@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Message-ID: X-Fortune: d00d MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 965 Lines: 24 Yeah, I figured there wasn't one, SGI just wouldn't do that, but if you goto www.sgi.com/software/irix6.5/ the picture at the bottom(irix_chart.gif) sort of implies to me that the Onyx2's and Origins will be running IRIX-IA64, now maybe I am misunderstanding this chart, but if I am, then other people might, and you know how news articles come out, I believe that the SGI/HP Cnet article recently at the last paragraph referred to Linux as a language. ----------------------------- Robbie Stone, rstone@vitelus.com Serendipity Simplex On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Dave Olson wrote: :->Robbie Stone wrote: :->| Interesting, since as I read it implies in the picture that IRIX will be :->| able to run on x86's on the future, although pictures are notorious for :->| being a little off. :-> :->No, there is no such intention or implication. If you'll let :->me know what you thought implied that, I'll be sure that they :->say things differently in the future. :-> From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 30 15:16:17 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA68829 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:16:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA61997 for linux-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:15:36 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA88719; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:15:29 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA01027; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:15:27 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (cacc-8.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.131.8]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA23309; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:15:25 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA04452; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:59:19 +0100 Message-ID: <19990130105918.A4445@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:59:18 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Ariel Faigon , Alex deVries Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Finally, a press release. References: <199901290914.BAA13273@oz.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <199901290914.BAA13273@oz.engr.sgi.com>; from Ariel Faigon on Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 01:14:15AM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 807 Lines: 17 On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 01:14:15AM -0800, Ariel Faigon wrote: > "The company has actively worked with the Open Source community by > supporting Linux since the 1994 introduction of its Indy® workstation > and with support for Samba and HylaFax. [...]" Except that in '94 the MIPS port was started without any help from SGI. About the most friendly cites from various SGI representants I was dealing with at that time was ``What is Linux?''. The SGI/Linux world started for real in May '96 when DaveM started at SGI porting my MIPS kernel to the Indy. Similar I remember comments in the HylaFax package I downloaded from one of SGI's ftp servers after mid '95 a file which clearly said that the author Sam Leffler would not be supported by SGI to do HylaFax. Times have changed since then ... Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 30 11:24:26 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA34048 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:24:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA42901 for linux-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA41258; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA49222; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:10 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901301923.LAA49222@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Press Release: Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership into New Areas In-Reply-To: from Robbie Stone at "Jan 30, 99 06:35:55 am" To: rstone@vitelus.com (Robbie Stone) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: eak@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mdlug@collie.net Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1211 Lines: 28 Robbie Stone wrote: | Yeah, I figured there wasn't one, SGI just wouldn't do that, but if you | goto www.sgi.com/software/irix6.5/ the picture at the | bottom(irix_chart.gif) sort of implies to me that the Onyx2's and Origins | will be running IRIX-IA64, now maybe I am misunderstanding this chart, but | if I am, then other people might, and you know how news articles come out, | I believe that the SGI/HP Cnet article recently at the last paragraph | referred to Linux as a language. IA64 != x86 x86 == IA32 My earlier response, to be crystal clear, was about IA32. Surprisingly to me, some of the folks on this list hadn't heard the IA32 vs IA64 names, and I had assumed that since they had been in fairly common use for 18 months that just about everybody would have known... Sorry for the confusion. The statements on the www.sgi.com web pages about IRIX and IA64 are still correct, so far as I can tell from reading the recent press release. Obviously I don't make policy, so I'm going by the same public data that you are. As far as the comments about http://www.sgi.com/vision/tech.html now being out of date, yes, they seem to be, and they'll likely be updated in the next week or so. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 30 18:41:26 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA12110 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:41:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA24909 for linux-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:40:04 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from tantrik.engr.sgi.com (tantrik.engr.sgi.com [130.62.245.44]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA32052 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:40:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (shm@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com) Received: from localhost (shm@localhost) by tantrik.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA91226 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:40:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:40:00 -0800 From: Shrijeet Mukherjee To: Linux porting team Subject: Secondary Cache status ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3753 Lines: 105 first off, sorry for the long delay in this, Alex, Ulf and Ralf .. I know I was supposed to come back and let you guys know whether the secondary cache thingy worked or not .. Well it got a lot further, but here is where it stopped .. >> boot bootp():/vmlinux 130768+22320+3184+341792+48560d+4604+6816 entry: 0x8df2c0d0 Setting $netaddr to 130.62.245.46 (from server agd-linux.engr.sgi.com) Obtaining /vmlinux from server agd-linux.engr.sgi.com PROMLIB: SGI ARCS firmware Version 1 Revision 10 PROMLIB: Total free ram 98869248 bytes (96552K,94MB) ARCH: SGI-IP22 CPU: MIPS-R4400 FPU ICACHE DCACHE SCACHE Loading R4000 MMU routines. CPU revision is: 00000460 Primary instruction cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes) Primary data cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes) Secondary cache sized at 1024K linesize 128 Linux version 2.1.100 (root@alex3.med.iacnet.com) (gcc version 2.7.2) #29 Thu Jul 9 22:19:39 EDT 1998 MC: SGI memory controller Revision 3 calculating r4koff... 000d567c(874108) zs0: console input zs0: console I/O Calibrating delay loop... 87.24 BogoMIPS Memory: 92264k/228396k available (1216k kernel code, 3064k data) Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 for Linux 2.1 NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.16 for Linux NET3.038. Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.037 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP Checking for 'wait' instruction... unavailable. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Starting kswapd v 1.5 Adv: about to run setup() SGI Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00 tty00 at 0xbfbd9838 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 tty01 at 0xbfbd9830 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530 Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size loop: registered device at major 7 WD93: Driver version 1.25 compiled on Jul 7 1998 at 16:59:57 debug_flags=0x00 wd33c93-0: chip=WD33c93B/13 no_sync=0xff no_dma=0scsi0 : SGI WD93 scsi : 1 host. sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: SGI Model: SEAGATE ST32430N Rev: 0240 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c Vendor: SGI Model: SEAGATE ST31230N Rev: 0272 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 scsi : detected 2 SCSI disks total. SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 4197405 [2049 MB] [2.0 GB] SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 2070235 [1010 MB] [1.0 GB] sgiseeq.c: David S. Miller (dm@engr.sgi.com) eth0: SGI Seeq8003 08:00:69:08:dd:db Sending BOOTP requests.... OK IP-Config: Got BOOTP answer from 130.62.245.101, my address is 130.62.245.46 Partition check: sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 Looking up port of RPC 100003/2 on 130.62.245.101 Looking up port of RPC 100005/1 on 130.62.245.101 VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem). Adv: done running setup() Freeing unused kernel memory: 44k freed Warning: unable to open an initial console. nfs: server 130.62.245.101 not responding, still trying nfs: server 130.62.245.101 OK Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt Scheduling in interrupt When I ran it from the system console (graphics, as opposed to serial) .. I also saw a message saying .. page fault from irq handler : 0000 (seems to be in sync with the above Scheduling ... message) .. let me know if there is anything I can do .. thanx From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 30 19:01:47 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA45504 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:01:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA35757 for linux-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:00:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA32891; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:00:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from calypso.saturn (dialup71-9-2.swipnet.se [130.244.71.130]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id TAA07245; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:00:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: by bun.falkenberg.se via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 03:52:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 03:52:40 +0100 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Shrijeet Mukherjee Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: Secondary Cache status ? Message-ID: <19990131035240.A15957@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Shrijeet Mukherjee , Linux SGI References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Shrijeet Mukherjee on Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 06:40:00PM -0800 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 373 Lines: 10 On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 06:40:00PM -0800, Shrijeet Mukherjee wrote: > > first off, sorry for the long delay in this, Alex, Ulf and Ralf .. I know > I was supposed to come back and let you guys know whether the secondary > cache thingy worked or not .. This issue was solved some months ago by Ralf. Try the latest 2.1.130 kernel, everything should work just fine. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Jan 30 21:21:43 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA76838 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:21:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA63302 for linux-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:20:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA47210 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:20:45 -0800 (PST) mail_from (mwfolsom@aptec.com) Received: from ataserver.aptec.com (ataserver.aptec.com [192.160.144.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id VAA05339 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:20:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (mwfolsom@aptec.com) Received: from aptec.com (192.160.144.50) by ataserver.aptec.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:22:31 -0700 Message-ID: <36B3E819.CF8BF4BE@aptec.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:20:25 -0700 From: "Michael W. Folsom" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP20) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: More on THE Press Release! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B" Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 5966 Lines: 160 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: At the risk of beating a dead horse - It strikes me that the most interesting parts of the press release at: http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/1999/january/servers.html is what it doesn't say! Chiefly I find no mention of porting Irix to Intel chips and abandoning MIPS chips. I seem to remember mention of that somewhere else. Prehaps they are seeing the writing on the wall that the much touted Merced chip ain't going to be all its been cracked up to be and have decided to keep their options open. If this turns out to be true I see the makings of a real plan to lift and separate the old SGI that many of us know and love from its present malaze. What the Jan, 99 press release on servers said to me was that they were going to be a serious player in the Intel marketplace and run NT for the dull and unimaginative while using Linux as their default Unix OS to show people what these platforms can really do. For them this is a win-win situation, they get the sales associated with both NT and Linux while saving many development $'s along the way. Meanwhile the heavy iron is and will continue to be MIPS running Irix. If my guessing is correct one wonders what Microsoft and Intel will think? Later - Michael Dave Olson wrote: > > Robbie Stone wrote: > | Yeah, I figured there wasn't one, SGI just wouldn't do that, but if you > | goto www.sgi.com/software/irix6.5/ the picture at the > | bottom(irix_chart.gif) sort of implies to me that the Onyx2's and Origins > | will be running IRIX-IA64, now maybe I am misunderstanding this chart, but > | if I am, then other people might, and you know how news articles come out, > | I believe that the SGI/HP Cnet article recently at the last paragraph > | referred to Linux as a language. > > IA64 != x86 > > x86 == IA32 > > My earlier response, to be crystal clear, was about IA32. Surprisingly > to me, some of the folks on this list hadn't heard the IA32 vs IA64 > names, and I had assumed that since they had been in fairly common > use for 18 months that just about everybody would have known... > > Sorry for the confusion. > > The statements on the www.sgi.com web pages about IRIX and IA64 > are still correct, so far as I can tell from reading the recent press > release. Obviously I don't make policy, so I'm going by the same > public data that you are. > > As far as the comments about http://www.sgi.com/vision/tech.html > now being out of date, yes, they seem to be, and they'll likely be updated > in the next week or so. --------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from sgi.com (192.48.153.1) by ataserver.aptec.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:28:18 -0700 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA05848; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:25:47 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA42901 for linux-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA41258; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA49222; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:10 -0800 (PST) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199901301923.LAA49222@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Press Release: Silicon Graphics Outlines Expanded Server Strategy to Grow Market Leadership into New Areas In-Reply-To: from Robbie Stone at "Jan 30, 99 06:35:55 am" To: rstone@vitelus.com (Robbie Stone) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:23:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: eak@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, mdlug@collie.net Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Robbie Stone wrote: | Yeah, I figured there wasn't one, SGI just wouldn't do that, but if you | goto www.sgi.com/software/irix6.5/ the picture at the | bottom(irix_chart.gif) sort of implies to me that the Onyx2's and Origins | will be running IRIX-IA64, now maybe I am misunderstanding this chart, but | if I am, then other people might, and you know how news articles come out, | I believe that the SGI/HP Cnet article recently at the last paragraph | referred to Linux as a language. IA64 != x86 x86 == IA32 My earlier response, to be crystal clear, was about IA32. Surprisingly to me, some of the folks on this list hadn't heard the IA32 vs IA64 names, and I had assumed that since they had been in fairly common use for 18 months that just about everybody would have known... Sorry for the confusion. The statements on the www.sgi.com web pages about IRIX and IA64 are still correct, so far as I can tell from reading the recent press release. Obviously I don't make policy, so I'm going by the same public data that you are. As far as the comments about http://www.sgi.com/vision/tech.html now being out of date, yes, they seem to be, and they'll likely be updated in the next week or so. --------------A2AC5BEAC94EC6AEB5BE712B-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 31 03:34:40 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA89555 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 03:34:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA32926 for linux-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 03:33:28 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA34618; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 03:33:26 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA21675; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 03:33:25 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199901311133.DAA21675@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Finally, a press release. To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 03:33:25 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) In-Reply-To: <19990130105918.A4445@uni-koblenz.de> from "ralf@uni-koblenz.de" at Jan 30, 99 10:59:18 am Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1156 Lines: 29 : :On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 01:14:15AM -0800, Ariel Faigon wrote: : :> "The company has actively worked with the Open Source community by :> supporting Linux since the 1994 introduction of its Indy® workstation :> and with support for Samba and HylaFax. [...]" : :Except that in '94 the MIPS port was started without any help from SGI. :About the most friendly cites from various SGI representants I was dealing :with at that time was ``What is Linux?''. The SGI/Linux world started :for real in May '96 when DaveM started at SGI porting my MIPS kernel to :the Indy. Similar I remember comments in the HylaFax package I downloaded :from one of SGI's ftp servers after mid '95 a file which clearly said that :the author Sam Leffler would not be supported by SGI to do HylaFax. : Ay Ralf you nitpicker :-) Give those who wrote the PR the mercy of the doubt ... Sam was on the SGI payroll when he was working on HylaFax and so were many others SGI employees contributing to free software even before 1994. Besides, you are right, certainly with regards to Linux. it should have been 1996. :Times have changed since then ... : Indeed. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 31 06:43:35 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA02456 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 06:43:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA65594 for linux-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 06:42:31 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA65411 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 06:42:29 -0800 (PST) mail_from (fredrov@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com (f272.hotmail.com [207.82.251.163]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id GAA09914 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 06:42:29 -0800 (PST) mail_from (fredrov@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 28672 invoked by uid 0); 31 Jan 1999 14:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990131144228.28671.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.215.242.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 06:42:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [193.215.242.130] From: "Fredrik Rovik" To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Questiong regarding pressrelease/Visual PC Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 06:42:28 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 372 Lines: 12 Hi, Now when they went official. Shouldn't there also be a good chance we will see a X server for the Visual PC on linux? And, OpenGL Libraries.. Maybe even SVGAlib or GGI? If so.. the Visual PC will me a majorly cool and relatively cheap computer ;) Fredrik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 31 18:38:24 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA62802 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:38:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA11710 for linux-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:35:42 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA11356 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:35:39 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id SAA02856 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:35:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA19591; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:37:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:37:38 -0500 (EST) From: Alex deVries To: Eric Melville cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: sgi linux In-Reply-To: <36B3CB6B.9B112140@rigelfore.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 809 Lines: 24 I'm cc'ing this to the SGI mailing list. Eric, you should get yourself on it. On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Eric Melville wrote: L> hi, i'm following your instructions for linux on an indy... to the > extent of my knowledge, bootp/tftp/nfs are all working fine... so next > comes time to boot the sucker. i enter "boot bootp():/vmlinux", and it > fires up the kernel, claims to mount root fs via nfs, but then it > stops... it says something like: > > Warning: cannot open initial console > Kernel panic: try passing "init=" to the kernel This is one of two things: - your filesystem isn't exported properly from whatever nefs server you have, in which case you need to veryify that /dev/console (at least) is exported properly. - you're trying to use a serial console, which is currently unsupported. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Jan 31 21:48:40 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA81062 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:48:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA45962 for linux-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:47:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA47051 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:47:49 -0800 (PST) mail_from (m_thrope@rigelfore.com) Received: from slug.rigelfore.com (c69494-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.2.21.88]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id VAA02966 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:47:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (m_thrope@rigelfore.com) Received: (qmail 14864 invoked from network); 1 Feb 1999 06:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rigelfore.com) (192.168.42.2) by 192.168.42.1 with SMTP; 1 Feb 1999 06:06:16 -0000 Message-ID: <36B53F82.6BEF8DFC@rigelfore.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:45:38 -0800 From: Eric Melville Organization: iLL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SGI Linux Subject: Re: sgi linux References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 371 Lines: 10 > - your filesystem isn't exported properly from whatever nefs server you > have, in which case you need to veryify that /dev/console (at least) is > exported properly. > > - you're trying to use a serial console, which is currently unsupported. aha... i think it's caus i untarred to an msdos partition first ;) so i don't have _anything_ in my /dev dir... heh... -E