From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 1 11:47:03 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA30728 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:47:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA06864 for linux-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:43:20 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA17146 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:43:17 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup88-6-3.swipnet.se [130.244.88.83]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA07940 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:43:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA11553 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:32:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:32:43 -0500 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: HAL2 making noise Message-ID: <19990401203243.A11536@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 468 Lines: 13 Hi all! I've been working on the HAL2 driver again. My Indy actually makes noises and it catches interrupts from the HAL2 when a DMA descriptor is done. I'll implement a beep function now. It's probably not a big deal to implement /dev/dsp correctly, just a matter of programming. Maybe I'm heading for ALSA. Well, let's do beep first.. One problem with ALSA is the beep, how can I make the kernel produce beeps with a sound driver loaded as an ALSA driver? - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 2 04:40:34 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA99626 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 04:40:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA55036 for linux-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 04:38:44 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA99519 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 04:38:42 -0800 (PST) mail_from (carbon@home.com) Received: from mail.rdc1.on.home.com (ha1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com [24.2.9.66]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id EAA03648 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 04:38:36 -0800 (PST) mail_from (carbon@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.112.72.22]) by mail.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with ESMTP id <19990402123823.DPKE17502.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 04:38:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3704BA1D.722FA0E7@home.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:37:49 -0500 From: Carbon Monoxide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 13 Lines: 2 unsubscribe From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 2 05:05:38 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA00007 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:05:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA64854 for linux-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:04:40 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA51717 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:04:38 -0800 (PST) mail_from (kk@ddeorg.soft.net) Received: from firewall.ddeorg.soft.net (firewall.ddeorg.soft.net [164.164.74.3]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id FAA08581 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:04:31 -0800 (PST) mail_from (kk@ddeorg.soft.net) Received: by firewall.ddeorg.soft.net (8.8.8/9.6) id SAA04135; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:36:50 +0530 (IST) Received: from bombay.ddeorg.soft.net by ddeorg.soft.net (8.8.8/9.6) with ESMTP id SAA20544; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:36:49 +0530 (IST) Received: from localhost by bombay.ddeorg.soft.net (8.8.8/9.7) with SMTP id SAA05360; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:36:26 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <199904021306.SAA05360@bombay.ddeorg.soft.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Carbon Monoxide cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:37:49 EST." <3704BA1D.722FA0E7@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:36:25 +0530 From: "Koundinya.K" Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 223 Lines: 10 please refer to the list policy to unsubscribe. 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You can use linux-request@relay.engr.sgi.com Majordomo@relay.engr.sgi.com Koundinya From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 2 10:42:20 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA15044 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:42:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA96948 for linux-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:40:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA71834 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:40:40 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA07025 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:40:40 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199904021840.KAA07025@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: EFS status To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:40:39 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1052 Lines: 34 [Forwarding bounced message from Al Smith (probably subscribed with a different address...)] There has been some progress latelyu on the EFS front thanks to Al Smith and Mike Shaver. Good news, thanks guys! -- Ariel. :Sender: Al.Smith@aeschi.ch.eu.org :Message-ID: <3704A41B.B4F5EDE2@aeschi.ch.eu.org> :Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:03:55 +0100 :From: Al Smith :Organization: http://aeschi.ch.eu.org/ :To: linux@engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu :Subject: EFS support for linux 2.2 :Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii :Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : :Support for EFS filesystems (both on CD, and on hard disk partitions) is :available from the anonymous sgi/linux CVS server, and from :http://aeschi.ch.eu.org/efs/. The code can be either compiled separately :and inserted as a module, or integrated into the kernel by applying a :patch. : :This support is still experimental - please let me know if you try it, :whether you encounter problems or not. : :-al. : : -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 2 16:53:22 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA91664 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:53:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA41124 for linux-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:52:22 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA02558 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:52:18 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1] (may be forged)) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA05255 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:52:16 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (cacc-13.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.131.13]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA14027 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:52:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA13397; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:31:02 +0200 Message-ID: <19990403013101.F11665@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:31:01 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ALSA compile error References: <19990402223303.A20067@bun.falkenberg.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <19990402223303.A20067@bun.falkenberg.se>; from Ulf Carlsson on Fri, Apr 02, 1999 at 10:33:17PM -0500 X-Accept-Language: de,en,fr Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 961 Lines: 22 On Fri, Apr 02, 1999 at 10:33:17PM -0500, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > I've been trying with egcs 1.0.2, gcc 2.7.2, binutils 2.8.1 and binutils 2.9.1 > and it doesn't make any difference. I've also been trying without -pipe and > -fomit-frame-pointer. Use egcs 1.0.x and binutils 2.8.1. > This is the error message: > > gcc -O2 -DLINUX -mips2 -mcpu=r4600 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -I/usr/src/linux/include -I../include -c -o sound.o sound.c > /tmp/cca03757.s: Assembler messages: > /tmp/cca03757.s:1228: Error: Can not represent BFD_RELOC_16_PCREL_S2 relocation in this object file format > /tmp/cca03757.s:1285: Error: Can not represent BFD_RELOC_16_PCREL_S2 relocation in this object file format > It was something about the haifa scheduler I think. Haifa is innocent. You are trying to compile the thing into PIC code and that won't work for kernel code. Add -fno-pic -mno-abicalls and for modules also add -mlong-calls. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 2 13:56:49 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA68714 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:56:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA44128 for linux-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:54:48 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from deliverator.sgi.com (deliverator.sgi.com [150.166.91.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA12817 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:54:46 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup85-9-3.swipnet.se [130.244.85.131]) by deliverator.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980310.SGI-aspam) via ESMTP id NAA27540 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:54:24 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA20097 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:33:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:33:17 -0500 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: ALSA compile error Message-ID: <19990402223303.A20067@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: linux-sgi@bun.falkenberg.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1664 Lines: 73 Hi, I've written an ALSA driver for the HAL2 today, programming ALSA was a very nice experience. Anyhow, to compile ALSA wasn't as nice as writing a driver. The problem is that I can't compile it (even without my driver). Maybe I should learn how to fix gcc and as on my own.. *sigh* I've been trying with egcs 1.0.2, gcc 2.7.2, binutils 2.8.1 and binutils 2.9.1 and it doesn't make any difference. I've also been trying without -pipe and -fomit-frame-pointer. This is the error message: gcc -O2 -DLINUX -mips2 -mcpu=r4600 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -I/usr/src/linux/include -I../include -c -o sound.o sound.c /tmp/cca03757.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/cca03757.s:1228: Error: Can not represent BFD_RELOC_16_PCREL_S2 relocation in this object file format /tmp/cca03757.s:1285: Error: Can not represent BFD_RELOC_16_PCREL_S2 relocation in this object file format I think I've had this error message before when I was compiling the kernel. That was about half a year ago so I don't remember exactly how I fixed it that time. It was something about the haifa scheduler I think. [snip] .set macro .set reorder #APP 1: lw $4,0($5) move $2,$0 2: .section .fixup,"ax" 3: li $2,-14 move $4,$0 j 2b <---- line 1228 .previous .section __ex_table,"a" .word 1b,3b .previous #NO_APP move $2,$4 $L977: lw $31,28($sp) addu $sp,$sp,32 j $31 .end snd_ioctl_in_R1cd575d7 [snap] [snip] bltz $3,$L991 move $2,$0 .set macro .set reorder #APP 1: sw $5,0($4) move $2,$0 2: .section .fixup,"ax" 3: li $2,-14 j 2b <---- line 1285 .previous .section __ex_table,"a" .word 1b,3b .previous #NO_APP [snap] - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Apr 3 10:02:34 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA54594 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:02:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA11955 for linux-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:00:37 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA02686 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:00:35 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup71-12-7.swipnet.se [130.244.71.183]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA07385 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:00:33 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA21642 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:50:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:50:11 -0500 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: ALSA driver Message-ID: <19990403185011.A21627@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 501 Lines: 14 Hi all, I've spent today and yesterday writing an ALSA driver for the HAL2. Anyhow I'm playing MP3:s on the Indy now (did you hear that puffin?). I can't say that it sounds good yet, but I can hear what song it is. I'll do some finetuning now. It shouldn't be hard to fix. It oopses every now and then as well. I'll consider writing to allocated memory areas instead.. :-) I'll also implement an interface for the mixer (I don't have any documentation at all about how the mixer works..?). - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Apr 3 14:11:12 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA67525 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:11:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA40092 for linux-list; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:09:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from deliverator.sgi.com (deliverator.sgi.com [150.166.91.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA49812 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:09:09 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup89-7-6.swipnet.se [130.244.89.102]) by deliverator.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980310.SGI-aspam) via ESMTP id OAA21062 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:08:46 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA00769 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:58:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:58:48 -0500 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: ALSA progress Message-ID: <19990403225848.A746@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 761 Lines: 18 Hi, and happy easter everyone! I've improved the sound quality a lot now. There's only a very slight noise in the background now, otherwise the sound is crystal clear. :-) I'll soon release some ALSA patches. I'll just catch a few more bugs first. It still bombs with bus irq's occasionaly. Another strange thing is that I can't reset the HAL2. If I do so, I can't hear anything, it receives interrupts correctly though. I've checked that my setup is equal to the one before the reset so I don't know exactly what's wrong here. Well, that doesn't matter as long as it sounds good. I've been trying to change the volume without any success as well. There were some hints about two volume registers in the IRIX hal2.h, but those don't affect anything. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Apr 4 01:36:24 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA15921 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:36:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA15842 for linux-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:35:01 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA42390 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:34:59 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup71-2-10.swipnet.se [130.244.71.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id BAA02741 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:34:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA01719 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:24:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:24:42 -0400 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: PBUS bugs smashed Message-ID: <19990404112442.A1700@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 315 Lines: 11 Hi, I can happily report perfect sound in my Indy. :-) The last bug was quite tricky. I had to reboot the machine after every playback, otherwise I got noise in the DMA channels. I could obviously not set the configuration bits in the pbus ctrl register at the same write as I wrote the activation bits.. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Apr 4 07:31:15 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA27897 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA64303 for linux-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:29:50 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA49044 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:29:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (tnik@hol.gr) Received: from mail.hol.gr (mail.hol.gr [194.30.192.21]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id HAA01570 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (tnik@hol.gr) Received: (qmail 19349 invoked from network); 4 Apr 1999 14:27:15 -0000 Received: from async063.ath05.tlc.hol.gr (HELO hol.gr) (firewall-user@194.30.244.66) by mail.hol.gr with SMTP; 4 Apr 1999 14:27:15 -0000 Message-ID: <37079331.ECE91CB4@hol.gr> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 19:28:33 +0300 From: Theodoros Nikitopoulos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.24 ppc) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Mungi OS on the R4x00 Indy .. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 402 Lines: 13 There seems to exist another effort to create an open-source OS for the Indy workstation, called Mungi. In case anyone is interested there exist a status report available at http://www.cse.unsw.EDU.AU/~disy/Mungi.html The R4x00 version of its 'L4 microkernel' (L4/MIPS) is freely available in source form under the terms of the GNU General Public License. Best regards, Theodore Nikitopoulos From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Apr 4 17:04:46 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA38975 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA61878 for linux-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:34:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA19347 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:34:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (tnik@hol.gr) Received: from mail.hol.gr (mail.hol.gr [194.30.192.21]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id QAA08499 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:34:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (tnik@hol.gr) Received: (qmail 14048 invoked from network); 4 Apr 1999 23:31:32 -0000 Received: from async117.ath02.tlc.hol.gr (HELO hol.gr) (firewall-user@194.30.194.248) by mail.hol.gr with SMTP; 4 Apr 1999 23:31:32 -0000 Message-ID: <370812BB.9E3BFA0C@hol.gr> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 04:32:45 +0300 From: Theodoros Nikitopoulos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.24 ppc) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Mungi OS (continued..) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 619 Lines: 16 Concerning a previous message you can find relative information about the Mungi OS and most importantly about the motivation of it's design at their archive of Technical Reports. Especially a paper called "Single Address Space Operating Systems" seems to be quite informative (available at: ftp://ftp.cse.unsw.edu.au/pub/doc/papers/UNSW/9504.ps.Z) Single-Address-Space OS seems to offer many advantages for modern systems design (aka. 64-bit computer architectures) and it can also support a POSIX compliant interface. However, are there any drawbacks of such an implementation ? Any one ? Theodore Nikitopoulos. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Apr 4 17:29:26 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA61072 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA75273 for linux-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:24:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA32570 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:24:08 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup84-1-11.swipnet.se [130.244.84.11]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id RAA01022 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA04481; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 02:13:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 02:13:53 -0400 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI , alsa-devel@alsa.jcu.cz Subject: HAL2 ALSA driver prerelease Message-ID: <19990405021353.A4455@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI , alsa-devel@alsa.jcu.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1216 Lines: 40 Hi, I have released a preview of the forthcoming HAL2 ALSA driver, don't expect too much out of it. You can not play mp3 directly without a patched mp3 player. They all assume that you use big endian. I hope I don't violate any GPL license agreements by don't uploading the SPRMS of ALSA. Everything but alsa-hal2-driver-0.3.0-0.1.tgz and alsa-dirver-0.3.0-pre5-1.mipseb.rpm is taken directly from the ALSA CVS tree which you can find more information about at http://alsa.jcu.cz/. Things it can do: o 44100 kHz o 16 bit o Little endian o Stereo Things it can't do (yet): o Everything else than 44100 kHz o Big endian o Mono (Oups) o Perfect audio quality o Mixing If you still want to try to play some music go through the following steps: 1. Compile an Indy kernel with soundcore.o compiled as a module. 2. Install the alsa precompiled rpm packages you get from ftp://linus.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips. 3. Insert the modules, in the order: soundcore.o snd.o snd-pcm.o snd-pcm1.o snd-mixer.o snd-timer.o snd-pcm1-oss.o snd-hal2.o snd-card-hal2.o 4. Generate a .wav file with mpg123, either directly on the Indy or on your PC. 5. Play the .wav file with aplay -m -w. 6. Tell me if it works! - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 5 06:51:28 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA01636 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 06:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA78180 for linux-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 06:36:41 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA81943 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 06:36:39 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (milos@insync.net) Received: from sneety.insync.net (sneety.insync.net [209.113.65.5]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id GAA03747 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 06:36:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (milos@insync.net) Received: from insync.net (209-113-28-242.insync.net [209.113.28.242]) by sneety.insync.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08406; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:36:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3708BC61.AF904C06@insync.net> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 08:36:33 -0500 From: Miles Lott Reply-To: milos@kprc.com Organization: KPRC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, ex-MX MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Bogendoerfer CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: New Indy kernel uploaded References: <19990329012602.A3227@alpha.franken.de> <199903300743.JAA15859@sun168.eu> <19990330235135.A2991@alpha.franken.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1186 Lines: 27 This is working for me, too - to a point. I get stuck just past the package selection and the message that a log will be created. It looks as if it is hanging trying to mount the linux partition. So, stupid question. The install instructions say to begin by running fx and setting up a root partition on the second disk from within IRIX. So, am I supposed to format ext2 from within the Hardhat setup program? Or, rather, at what point is the partition formatted suitably for the Hardhat install to begin unpacking files on it? TIA Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 30, 1999 at 09:43:16AM +0200, Tom Woelfel wrote: > > Yep, done. Works without problems - Linux is up and running. How do > > you solve the problems with the ECOFF/ELF thing ? Is there some kind > > of backwards-compatibility ? > > yes, every newer PROM is also able to boot ECOFF kernels. So I just > uploaded an ECOFF kernel, which should work with every PROM. > > Thomas. > > -- > This device has completely bogus header. Compaq scores again :-| > It's a host bridge, but it should be called ghost bridge instead ;^) > [Martin `MJ' Mares on linux-kernel] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 5 07:14:30 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA00169 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 07:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA83664 for linux-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 07:08:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA78955 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 07:08:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id HAA01302 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 07:08:43 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA10558; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:08:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: milos@kprc.com cc: Thomas Bogendoerfer , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: New Indy kernel uploaded In-Reply-To: <3708BC61.AF904C06@insync.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1454 Lines: 39 Hardhat itself should format the partition for you; the ext2 on irix is slightly broekn. -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. Linux on HP PA RISC. The final frontier. On Mon, 5 Apr 1999, Miles Lott wrote: > This is working for me, too - to a point. I get stuck > just past the package selection and the message that a log > will be created. It looks as if it is hanging trying to > mount the linux partition. So, stupid question. The > install instructions say to begin by running fx and setting > up a root partition on the second disk from within IRIX. > So, am I supposed to format ext2 from within the Hardhat setup > program? Or, rather, at what point is the partition formatted > suitably for the Hardhat install to begin unpacking files on it? > TIA > > Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 1999 at 09:43:16AM +0200, Tom Woelfel wrote: > > > Yep, done. Works without problems - Linux is up and running. How do > > > you solve the problems with the ECOFF/ELF thing ? Is there some kind > > > of backwards-compatibility ? > > > > yes, every newer PROM is also able to boot ECOFF kernels. So I just > > uploaded an ECOFF kernel, which should work with every PROM. > > > > Thomas. > > > > -- > > This device has completely bogus header. Compaq scores again :-| > > It's a host bridge, but it should be called ghost bridge instead ;^) > > [Martin `MJ' Mares on linux-kernel] > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 5 17:10:55 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA54226 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA00948 for linux-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA66942 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:43:45 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA03480 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:43:44 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:52:11 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m10UJ1e-002PcGC; Tue, 6 Apr 99 01:43 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA03401; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:43:19 +0200 Message-ID: <19990406004319.C2370@alpha.franken.de> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:43:19 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: Miles Lott , "'Alex deVries'" Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: New Indy kernel uploaded References: <8F94EAC86EE3D011BBCB08003667410229A436@aries.kprc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <8F94EAC86EE3D011BBCB08003667410229A436@aries.kprc.net>; from Miles Lott on Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 01:18:03PM -0500 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 548 Lines: 13 On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 01:18:03PM -0500, Miles Lott wrote: > Should I leave the detected partitions as is during the redhat install, > and not repartition ext2 using diskdruid or fdisk? don't touch the partitions (if they don't fit, use Irix to change them), but make sure, that the installer creates a new filesystem. Thomas. -- This device has completely bogus header. Compaq scores again :-| It's a host bridge, but it should be called ghost bridge instead ;^) [Martin `MJ' Mares on linux-kernel] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 5 13:55:56 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA25271 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA91350 for linux-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:43:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA04647 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:43:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup71-7-4.swipnet.se [130.244.71.100]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA03068 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA18152 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:33:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:33:16 -0400 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: mpg123 hack Message-ID: <19990405223315.A9898@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2975 Lines: 82 Hi, I know this is silly and you don't care about it, but I've patched mpg123 so that I can play mp3's without generating wav files in between :-). Maybe you say that I should fix my poor HAL2 driver instead - I will... About the noise: I have done some testing with mpg123. The HAL2 is, to say the least, acting weird. I found that only every other sample is played, and the other ones are dumped. Ok now to the really really weird part: If I play audio on the samples which are dumped and zeros on the ones which are played I can hear this silly noise in the speakers. If I do not play anything, zeros in both channels, it's death quiet (although the DMA is acting and the HAL2 is playing the zeros). If I play zeros on the dumped channel and audio on the other one I can hear this noise again. Hum, I have been looking at this noise problem for nearly two days now without any progress. Testing one thing the other with no effect. Quite boring, I'll hack something else tomorrow.. - Ulf diff -ur mpg123-0.59q-orig/Makefile mpg123-0.59q/Makefile --- mpg123-0.59q-orig/Makefile Tue Jan 26 14:35:18 1999 +++ mpg123-0.59q/Makefile Tue Jan 18 03:26:46 2000 @@ -56,7 +56,7 @@ @echo "make linux-nas Linux, output to Network Audio System" @echo "make linux-sparc Linux/Sparc" @echo "make linux-sajber Linux, build binary for Sajber Jukebox frontend" - @echo "make linux-alsa Linux with ALSA sound driver" + @echo "make linux-mips-alsa Linux/MIPS with ALSA sound driver" @echo "" @echo "make linux-esd Linux, output to EsounD" @echo "make linux-alpha-esd Linux/Alpha, output to EsounD" @@ -148,6 +148,17 @@ CFLAGS='-DI386_ASSEM -DREAL_IS_FLOAT -DPENTIUM_OPT -DLINUX \ -DREAD_MMAP -DALSA \ -Wall \ + -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-all-loops \ + -finline-functions -ffast-math \ + $(RPM_OPT_FLAGS)' \ + mpg123-make + +linux-mips-alsa: + $(MAKE) CC=gcc LDFLAGS= \ + AUDIO_LIB='-lasound' \ + OBJECTS='decode.o dct64.o audio_alsa.o' \ + CFLAGS='-DLINUX -DREAD_MMAP -DSWAP_BYTES -DREAL_IS_FLOAT \ + -DALSA -Wall -O2 \ -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-all-loops \ -finline-functions -ffast-math \ $(RPM_OPT_FLAGS)' \ diff -ur mpg123-0.59q-orig/audio_alsa.c mpg123-0.59q/audio_alsa.c --- mpg123-0.59q-orig/audio_alsa.c Fri Nov 27 11:16:58 1998 +++ mpg123-0.59q/audio_alsa.c Tue Jan 18 03:24:40 2000 @@ -182,8 +182,24 @@ int audio_play_samples(struct audio_info_struct *ai,unsigned char *buf,int len) { ssize_t ret; +#ifdef SWAP_BYTES + int samples = len >> 1; /* will only work in 16 bit mode .. */ + unsigned short *sample = (unsigned short *) buf; + static unsigned short *swap_buf = NULL; + if (!swap_buf) + swap_buf = (unsigned short *) malloc(len); + + while (samples--) { + swap_buf[samples] = + (((sample[samples] & 0x00ff) << 8) | + ((sample[samples] & 0xff00) >> 8)); + } + + ret=snd_pcm_write(ai->handle, swap_buf, len); +#else ret=snd_pcm_write(ai->handle, buf, len); +#endif return ret; } From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 6 14:15:52 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA44723 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA22690 for linux-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:13:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA74016 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:13:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA03624 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:13:02 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (cacc-8.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.131.8]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19766 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:54:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA03748; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:33:38 +0200 Message-ID: <19990406123338.A3742@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:33:38 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: "John van V." , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ALSA compile error References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from John van V. on Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 08:26:48AM -0800 X-Accept-Language: de,en,fr Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1049 Lines: 22 On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 08:26:48AM -0800, John van V. wrote: > I am very interested in Linux on the MIPs platform. To keep this short, I > would be grateful if there are any archives, or documents available other > than the linux.org stuff. I have a rather steep learning curve ahead of > me since I am basically a LI/UNIX admin specializing in PERL/CGI > configuration and analysis systems. There will soon be more than the Linux.org stuff. The rewrite of the FAQ / HOWTO is now also being spread over the usual channels and I'll send you and ASCII version in private email. As long as you do not intend to do kernel hacking your learning curve will be reasonably flat except of the still somewhat ``adventuruous'' installation. > I would also be very grateful for links/leads covering the crossover > between LINUX and the gaming systems, from both the technical and > legal/political perspectives. Try the Linux community's tabloid slashdot.org; they regularly have postings covering this topic. Aside, Altavista is your friend. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 6 04:14:41 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA96948 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA29234 for linux-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:12:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA32609 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:12:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id EAA06106 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:12:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (lightning.swansea.uk.linux.org [194.168.151.1]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA23281; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:11:59 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m10UUbc-0007TvC; Tue, 6 Apr 99 13:05 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: mpg123 hack To: ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se (Ulf Carlsson) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:05:23 +0100 (BST) Cc: clepple@foo.tho.org, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <19990406084728.A8313@bun.falkenberg.se> from "Ulf Carlsson" at Apr 6, 99 08:47:28 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 228 Lines: 6 > is in stereo mode though, I print the registers every time the card is > triggered. One might otherwise think that I accidently had set it up into Quad > mode. If you put the chip in mono mode does it need doubled samples ? From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Mon Apr 5 23:52:39 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA83339 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA84900 for linux-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:39:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA03429 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:39:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup89-10-14.swipnet.se [130.244.89.158]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA01858 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:39:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA08021; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:28:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:28:51 -0400 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Charles Lepple Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: mpg123 hack Message-ID: <19990406082851.A20241@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Charles Lepple , Linux SGI References: <19990405223315.A9898@bun.falkenberg.se> <37096F0C.64AE42F2@foo.tho.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37096F0C.64AE42F2@foo.tho.org>; from Charles Lepple on Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 02:18:52AM +0000 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 973 Lines: 26 Hi Charles, > Weird thought: what happens when you duplicate samples? (ie make the > dumped samples the same as the ones which are played) It sounds like a > common-mode rejection ratio problem Whee!! That gives me PERFECT audio quality, well stereo and just 22050 Hz, but no noise. Can you explain to me what a common-mode rejection ratio problem is and why it's solved in this odd way? > You may find it helpful to patch the line-out jack from the Indy to the > line-in on another system, and record it. If you can capture the noise > with this arrangement, I'd be glad to take a look at it and see if > there's any rhyme or reason to it. Yeah, my noise is really exciting... I'll try to find a decent cable so that I can record it. > I'd love to help directly (I have 3 Indys in the lab to play with) but I > still can't get a system to boot properly, as I don't maintain any > Linux/x86 boxes on that subnet. I'd be more than happy to receive some help! - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 6 00:03:31 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA78533 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA27500 for linux-list; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:57:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA78853 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:57:45 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup71-5-6.swipnet.se [130.244.71.70]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA01096 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:57:43 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA16816; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:47:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:47:28 -0400 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Charles Lepple Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: mpg123 hack Message-ID: <19990406084728.A8313@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Charles Lepple , Linux SGI References: <19990405223315.A9898@bun.falkenberg.se> <37096F0C.64AE42F2@foo.tho.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37096F0C.64AE42F2@foo.tho.org>; from Charles Lepple on Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 02:18:52AM +0000 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 433 Lines: 12 Hi again, The problem seems to be that the HAL2 because of some strange reason I don't know requires the samples to be duplicated. There's no doubt about that the HAL2 is in stereo mode though, I print the registers every time the card is triggered. One might otherwise think that I accidently had set it up into Quad mode. I can now play MP3 in 44100Hz, stereo with perfect audio quality, when the samples are duplicated.. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 6 03:43:14 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA92851 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA21594 for linux-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:41:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA91336 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:41:44 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup87-3-7.swipnet.se [130.244.87.39]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id DAA07094 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:41:42 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA25320 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:31:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:31:35 -0400 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: HAL2 spec bug Message-ID: <19990406123135.A21186@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 370 Lines: 8 The DMA noise problem was actually a specification bug. I should not configure cfgdma as a 16 bit device as the specification explicitly tells me to do. If it's configured for 16 bit DMA transfers are the low 8 bits just dumped or replaced with a noise if they differ from the upper 8 bits. It's kind of hard to write a decent driver when the spec lies for me.. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 6 18:54:12 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA75718 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA06005 for linux-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:52:02 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA24446 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:52:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from mdaxp2.umassd.edu (MDAxp2.UMassD.Edu [134.88.120.67]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id SAA09152 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:51:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu by umassd.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #22746) with ESMTP id <01J9Q81CMCHE8WZME9@umassd.edu> for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:51:56 EST Received: from matthias by us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10UhVh-0000kB-00; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:52:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:52:09 -0400 From: Matthias Kleinschmidt Subject: Re: HAL2 driver 0.2 In-reply-to: <19990406221641.A6206@bun.falkenberg.se>; from Ulf Carlsson on Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 10:16:41PM -0400 To: Linux SGI Message-id: <19990406215209.A1972@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI References: <19990406221641.A6206@bun.falkenberg.se> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1019 Lines: 43 --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 10:16:41PM -0400, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I've uploaded new version of ALSA HAL2 sounddrivers now. Works much bette= r. >=20 > Check: ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/ALSA -rw------- 1 9032 user 915 Apr 6 21:57 ALSA-HAL2-HOWTO Is this supposed to be non readable? Ciao Matthias --=20 Matthias Kleinschmidt Cedar Dell 568B, Box 5398 UMass Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Rd. North Dartmouth, MA 02747 Tel.: +1 508 910 6851 email: matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNwq6SMXMHXe35ITFAQEPuAP9Gz6N+f9DpVGBewkEw2ZORZKYO2bCT14p JYA/DeVF20jCXjlVNdoN645g3ui2oU6rqa3Bwnaa3QJqTMZL8SrfzIMHFBJJTU4X gpGUGjckoNtClhEpW8yj+aWrKkQFMW/CtMc37WW4LIYEfs4sawyiIh+3FGlaN3GS KJA25nhqyfk= =F9EY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 6 19:17:34 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA78258 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA61890 for linux-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:16:24 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA65688; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:16:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA27956; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199904070215.TAA27956@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: HAL2 driver 0.2 To: mkleinschmidt@gmx.de (Matthias Kleinschmidt) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <19990406215209.A1972@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> from "Matthias Kleinschmidt" at Apr 6, 99 09:52:09 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 388 Lines: 23 Matthias wrote: :Ulf wrote: :> Hello, :> :>I've uploaded new version of ALSA HAL2 sounddrivers now. :>Works much better. :> :> Check: ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/ALSA : :-rw------- 1 9032 user 915 Apr 6 21:57 ALSA-HAL2-HOWTO : :Is this supposed to be non readable? : :Ciao : Matthias : Matthias, Thanks for noticing, I just fixed that. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 6 14:31:23 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA46892 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA83788 for linux-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:30:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA85479 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:30:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup71-12-10.swipnet.se [130.244.71.186]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA08900 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:30:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA09501 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:16:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:16:41 -0400 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: HAL2 driver 0.2 Message-ID: <19990406221641.A6206@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 420 Lines: 16 Hello, I've uploaded new version of ALSA HAL2 sounddrivers now. Works much better. New features: o Better sound quality o Support for both Mono / Stereo o Support for sample rates in range 4.000 kHz to 48.000 kHz o Support for both Big endian and Little endian o Limited support for recording (doesn't work very good yet) Check: ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/ALSA (don't forget to patch mpg123) - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 6 23:01:16 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA91055 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA94380 for linux-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:59:48 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA23302 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:59:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from mdaxp2.umassd.edu (MDAxp2.UMassD.Edu [134.88.120.67]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id WAA07553 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:59:45 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu by umassd.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #22746) with ESMTP id <01J9QGOK49W88X03AF@umassd.edu> for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:59:42 EST Received: from matthias by us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10UlNU-0000ib-00; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 01:59:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 01:59:56 -0400 From: Matthias Kleinschmidt Subject: Re: HAL2 driver 0.2 In-reply-to: <19990406221641.A6206@bun.falkenberg.se>; from Ulf Carlsson on Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 10:16:41PM -0400 To: Linux SGI Message-id: <19990407015956.A2584@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI References: <19990406221641.A6206@bun.falkenberg.se> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1568 Lines: 56 --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 10:16:41PM -0400, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I've uploaded new version of ALSA HAL2 sounddrivers now. Works much bette= r. I got a new kernel from cvs and compiled with soundcore.o. When I try to install alsa-driver-0.3.0-pre5-1.mipseb.rpm I get many errors about unresolved symbols. And when I try to load snd.o I get the following output: snd.o: unresolved symbol lookup_dentry_Rbf9ede0c snd.o: unresolved symbol register_chrdev_R79319a7e snd.o: unresolved symbol create_proc_entry_R4bfb68d0 snd.o: unresolved symbol __up_R224e7279 snd.o: unresolved symbol register_sound_dsp_Rb255d4ae snd.o: unresolved symbol proc_unregister_R77de8be6 snd.o: unresolved symbol __down_R3d27099f snd.o: unresolved symbol register_sound_special_Rdf061e7e snd.o: unresolved symbol mem_map_R89246c1b snd.o: unresolved symbol proc_root_R04ac0340 Does anyone have a solution for that? Matthias --=20 Matthias Kleinschmidt Cedar Dell 568B, Box 5398 UMass Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Rd. North Dartmouth, MA 02747 email: matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNwr0XMXMHXe35ITFAQGk4AP/Tfn6ciZEzMYPhXf6gnXmZ8YCzv5IqpWM LM2qhaZ1KqarMY+j8vQJTV8ImpLpagTf+tkn+OdJR45Xq/6FxOJr5+unC+lwzRWe xuPGOAi+YCthRLKEOee1QhdEo4oWZF/cktDK5hFLekvRqc/oFF62MYzkZ3AhnZec bBwnyIATQkQ= =3cRf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 7 03:35:06 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA13892 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA07862 for linux-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:33:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA40582 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:33:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup88-11-1.swipnet.se [130.244.88.161]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id DAA08973 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:33:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA25694; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:22:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:22:57 -0400 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Matthias Kleinschmidt Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: HAL2 driver 0.2 Message-ID: <19990407122257.D19733@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Kleinschmidt , Linux SGI References: <19990406221641.A6206@bun.falkenberg.se> <19990407015956.A2584@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990407015956.A2584@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de>; from Matthias Kleinschmidt on Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 01:59:56AM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 467 Lines: 10 > I got a new kernel from cvs and compiled with soundcore.o. > When I try to install alsa-driver-0.3.0-pre5-1.mipseb.rpm I get many errors > about unresolved symbols. And when I try to load snd.o I get the following > output: Oops, sorry. I had compiled the modules with a kernel configured to set version information on all symbols. I've uploaded a new version, this problem should be solved now. Please download alsa-driver-0.3.0-pre5-2.mipseb.rpm instead. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 7 10:43:15 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA34667 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA97140 for linux-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:41:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA22811 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:41:32 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from mdaxp2.umassd.edu (MDAxp2.UMassD.Edu [134.88.120.67]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA00849 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:41:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu by umassd.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #22746) with ESMTP id <01J9R56FFIZE8Y99KW@umassd.edu> for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:41:18 EST Received: from matthias by us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10UwKT-0000Lw-00; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:41:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:41:33 -0400 From: Matthias Kleinschmidt Subject: Re: HAL2 driver 0.2 In-reply-to: <19990407122257.D19733@bun.falkenberg.se>; from Ulf Carlsson on Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 12:22:57PM -0400 To: Linux SGI Message-id: <19990407134133.A925@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI References: <19990406221641.A6206@bun.falkenberg.se> <19990407015956.A2584@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> <19990407122257.D19733@bun.falkenberg.se> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1414 Lines: 49 --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 12:22:57PM -0400, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > Oops, sorry. I had compiled the modules with a kernel configured to set v= ersion > information on all symbols. I've uploaded a new version, this problem sho= uld be > solved now. Please download alsa-driver-0.3.0-pre5-2.mipseb.rpm instead. I had version information activated in the first place. Now I compiled the kernel without it and installed alsa...-pre5-2... but I still have unresolved modules.=20 insmod snd.o now gives me snd.o: unresolved symbol register_sound_dsp_Rb255d4ae snd.o: unresolved symbol register_sound_special_Rdf061e7e If my kernel configuration would be helpful it can be found at http://www-fs.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de/~matthias/.config Matthias --=20 Matthias Kleinschmidt Cedar Dell 568B, Box 5398 UMass Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Rd. North Dartmouth, MA 02747 Tel.: +1 508 910 6851 email: matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNwuYzMXMHXe35ITFAQECSQQAiMwpRQdq63cgekF3nMAOaf8r13yoaDMf 6le8OpVf5/C5pa3hz+e5y7TdR3s1HWG0vR7P07mvNXS91M+NyTrjK1ODSDicykuB wwfkt+QXgZaam1u2xh9zjloi9PSUINgQ7toDnytcDPndPH1qVCchTn407qb6SmB0 rPWGWyQIbqA= =0g9a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 7 11:48:23 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA40179 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA90056 for linux-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:45:36 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA01177 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:45:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup87-5-14.swipnet.se [130.244.87.78]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA01678 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:45:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA01063; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:27:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:27:31 +0200 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Matthias Kleinschmidt Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: HAL2 driver 0.2 Message-ID: <19990407202731.A1042@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Kleinschmidt , Linux SGI References: <19990406221641.A6206@bun.falkenberg.se> <19990407015956.A2584@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> <19990407122257.D19733@bun.falkenberg.se> <19990407134133.A925@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990407134133.A925@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de>; from Matthias Kleinschmidt on Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 01:41:33PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1038 Lines: 26 > I had version information activated in the first place. Now I compiled the > kernel without it and installed alsa...-pre5-2... but I still have unresolved > modules. > > insmod snd.o now gives me > > snd.o: unresolved symbol register_sound_dsp_Rb255d4ae snd.o: unresolved symbol > register_sound_special_Rdf061e7e This is a bit strange. I don't have those symbols either. I have the normal register_sound_dsp and register_sound_special symbols. I'm looking at this problem and how I'll solve it completely. It's a bit tricky to build modules which are compatible. It looks like the rest of the symbols in the kernel are resolved. Maybe you forgot to rebuild the modules or to install them when you built them? Anyhow, in the meanwhile you may build your own driver package. There shouldn't be any problem if you have a kernel installed in /usr/src/linux, just get the source package of the drivers instead an execute: rpm --rebuild alsa-driver-0.3.0-pre5-2.src.rpm (Please have a bit patiance, you're the first tester) - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 7 14:17:08 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA55761 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA27926 for linux-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:15:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA87348 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:15:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from mdaxp2.umassd.edu (MDAxp2.UMassD.Edu [134.88.120.67]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA04410 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:15:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu by umassd.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #22746) with ESMTP id <01J9RCNUON1I8X04WB@umassd.edu> for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:15:24 EST Received: from matthias by us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10Uzfe-0001GU-00; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:15:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:15:38 -0400 From: Matthias Kleinschmidt Subject: Re: HAL2 driver 0.2 In-reply-to: <19990407202731.A1042@bun.falkenberg.se>; from Ulf Carlsson on Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 08:27:31PM +0200 To: Linux SGI Message-id: <19990407171538.A3751@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary="pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/" Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI References: <19990406221641.A6206@bun.falkenberg.se> <19990407015956.A2584@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> <19990407122257.D19733@bun.falkenberg.se> <19990407134133.A925@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> <19990407202731.A1042@bun.falkenberg.se> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1620 Lines: 56 --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 08:27:31PM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > It looks like the rest of the symbols in the kernel are resolved. Maybe y= ou > forgot to rebuild the modules or to install them when you built them? Ok, I apologize. I forgot to rebuild soundcore.o. Now I can load the modules. But the order in your HOWTO is wrong. I had to load snd-timer before snd-pcm1. Playing wavs and mpegs works as well after building the ALSA devices. Great job! =20 > Anyhow, in the meanwhile you may build your own driver package. There sho= uldn't > be any problem if you have a kernel installed in /usr/src/linux, just get= the > source package of the drivers instead an execute: >=20 > rpm --rebuild alsa-driver-0.3.0-pre5-2.src.rpm=20 Unfortunately that did not work. Maybe because all files in that package have timestamps Jan xx 2000? =20 > (Please have a bit patiance, you're the first tester) No problem. I'm only trying to help. =20 Matthias --=20 Matthias Kleinschmidt Cedar Dell 568B, Box 5398 UMass Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Rd. North Dartmouth, MA 02747 Tel.: +1 508 910 6851 email: matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNwvK+sXMHXe35ITFAQGC1QP+LXgHspf7dYSv4siKcqfvQj5DoSdDuQQr ZdnId/dcte2k9lITgjwk4o0ridGbDa22OgFin7hLBpSYZ3N01sJuWUy6ET8/QmOT BTeM4aZ/sVNL9pM1IwignQ2sym3s+2+/JV2QEZiiYAshaOvqSy9Lg8rBKDYNZfHX 2+am9ryQgwA= =3iJd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 7 21:17:42 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA35071 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA49697 for linux-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:15:02 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA40081 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:14:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup71-5-11.swipnet.se [130.244.71.75]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id VAA07612 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:14:57 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA05275; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:14:52 +0200 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:14:52 +0200 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Matthias Kleinschmidt Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: HAL2 driver 0.2 Message-ID: <19990408061452.A5242@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Kleinschmidt , Linux SGI References: <19990406221641.A6206@bun.falkenberg.se> <19990407015956.A2584@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> <19990407122257.D19733@bun.falkenberg.se> <19990407134133.A925@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> <19990407202731.A1042@bun.falkenberg.se> <19990407171538.A3751@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990407171538.A3751@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de>; from Matthias Kleinschmidt on Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 05:15:38PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 865 Lines: 25 > Ok, I apologize. I forgot to rebuild soundcore.o. Now I can load the > modules. But the order in your HOWTO is wrong. I had to load snd-timer > before snd-pcm1. Playing wavs and mpegs works as well after building the > ALSA devices. Ok, this is another thing I forgot. I did a ``make install'' once so my devices where ok all the time. Maybe I can extract that util which sets up the devices from ALSA or is it included in the RPM? I've fixed the HOWTO now. > Great job! Thanks :-) > > rpm --rebuild alsa-driver-0.3.0-pre5-2.src.rpm > > Unfortunately that did not work. Maybe because all files in that package have > timestamps Jan xx 2000? I have set my clock correctly now, I actually did that yesterday. I have also touched the all the files on my harddrives so I will not end up with any Jan xx 2000 files again. I'll upload correct versions.. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 8 13:41:47 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA47290 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA16111 for linux-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA04157 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:39:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA07214 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:39:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:49:02 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m10VLZt-002PjbC; Thu, 8 Apr 99 22:39 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA02494 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:34:36 +0200 Message-ID: <19990408223436.A2491@alpha.franken.de> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:34:36 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Indy ISDN questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 789 Lines: 16 Ok, after Ulf got the sound working the remaining not supported hardware is VINO and ISDN. Since I'm involved in ISDN programing at work and I already worked with the Linux ISDN code, I hacked together the necessary code to access ISAC and HSCX. The detection looks pretty good now, but I don't get interrupts from any of the two chips. The IRIX header files only talk about ISDN on the IP24, but not on the IP22. But I've found both of the Siemens chip on the Indy board (Fullhouse == IP22). So what's up with ISDN on the Indy ? How do I get the interrupts ? Thomas. -- This device has completely bogus header. Compaq scores again :-| It's a host bridge, but it should be called ghost bridge instead ;^) [Martin `MJ' Mares on linux-kernel] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 8 13:51:46 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA46104 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA28932 for linux-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:50:42 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.40.90]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA96285; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:50:37 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA05536; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:50:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:50:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199904082050.NAA05536@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Thomas Bogendoerfer Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Indy ISDN questions In-Reply-To: <19990408223436.A2491@alpha.franken.de> References: <19990408223436.A2491@alpha.franken.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 885 Lines: 15 Thomas Bogendoerfer writes: > Ok, after Ulf got the sound working the remaining not supported hardware > is VINO and ISDN. Since I'm involved in ISDN programing at work and I already > worked with the Linux ISDN code, I hacked together the necessary code to > access ISAC and HSCX. The detection looks pretty good now, but I don't > get interrupts from any of the two chips. > > The IRIX header files only talk about ISDN on the IP24, but not on the IP22. > But I've found both of the Siemens chip on the Indy board (Fullhouse == IP22). > So what's up with ISDN on the Indy ? How do I get the interrupts ? The Indy ("Guinness") is an IP24, although it shares the "IP22" kernel with the real IP22, Indigo2 ("Fullhouse"). Only the IP24 has ISDN. I will look into where the interrupts are delivered later, but it will be via one of the several interrupt multiplexors. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 8 13:54:56 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA49476 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA28081 for linux-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:54:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from soyuz.wellington.sgi.com (soyuz.wellington.sgi.com [134.14.64.194]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA93908 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:54:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alambie@csd.sgi.com) Received: from csd.sgi.com by soyuz.wellington.sgi.com via ESMTP (980427.SGI.8.8.8/940406.SGI) id IAA17072; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:54:16 +1200 (NZT) Message-ID: <370D17D2.3847181B@csd.sgi.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:55:46 +1200 From: Alistair Lambie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Bogendoerfer CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Indy ISDN questions References: <19990408223436.A2491@alpha.franken.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 619 Lines: 15 Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > > The IRIX header files only talk about ISDN on the IP24, but not on the IP22. IP24=Indy, IP22=Indigo2. They are so much the same that from a user level they both report as IP22. -- Alistair Lambie alambie@csd.sgi.com SGI Global Product Support SGI Voicemail/VNET: 234-1455 Level 5, Cigna House, M/S: INZ-3780 PO Box 24 093, Ph: +64-4-494 6325 40 Mercer St, Wellington, Fax: +64-4-494 6321 New Zealand Mobile: +64-21-635 262 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 8 18:53:41 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA70736 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA57508 for linux-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:52:23 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA94692 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:52:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from mdaxp2.umassd.edu (MDAxp2.UMassD.Edu [134.88.120.67]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id SAA04199 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:52:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu by umassd.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #22746) with ESMTP id <01J9T0MGJ7MY8X1MJ4@umassd.edu> for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:52:16 EST Received: from matthias by us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10VQT9-0001Y4-00; Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:52:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:52:30 -0400 From: Matthias Kleinschmidt Subject: Re: Indy ISDN questions In-reply-to: <19990408223436.A2491@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 10:34:36PM +0200 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Message-id: <19990408215230.A4951@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Mail-Followup-To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com References: <19990408223436.A2491@alpha.franken.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 896 Lines: 37 --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 10:34:36PM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > Ok, after Ulf got the sound working the remaining not supported hardware= =20 > is VINO and ISDN. What about parallel port support? Or am I just unable to find it? Matthias --=20 Matthias Kleinschmidt Cedar Dell 568B, Box 5398 UMass Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Rd. 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If you see me running, try to keep up..." http://support.sgi.com --------------5A528479DEDA6DD0DDA76C70 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (dataserv.detroit.sgi.com [169.238.128.2]) by fts129.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA07785 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.corp.sgi.com (spindle.corp.sgi.com [198.29.75.13]) by dataserv.detroit.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA00298; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by relay1.corp.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA41740 for humor-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (relay.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by relay1.corp.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA69006 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fido.engr.sgi.com (fido.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.48]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA66438 for <@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com:humor@relay2.corp.sgi.com>; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:54:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (news@fido.engr.sgi.com) Received: by fido.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/911001.SGI) for humor@postofc.corp.sgi.com id KAA36824; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:51:19 -0700 (PDT) To: humor@corp.sgi.com X-Approved: newsmail@fido.engr.sgi.com X-Orig-Path: fido.engr.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!not-for-mail From: Trisha Ginsburg X-Orig-Newsgroups: sgi.talk.humor Subject: The Gospel of Tux (v1.0) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 10:51:15 -0700 Distribution: sgi Message-ID: <370E3E13.183BD2AA@corp.sgi.com> X-Orig-Nntp-Posting-Host: sherbet.corp.sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en CC: merlin@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sender: owner-humor@corp.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Trisha Ginsburg For all you Linux fans out there, presenting... Subject: The Gospel of Tux (v1.0) Every generation has a mythology. Every millenium has a doomsday cult. Every legend gets the distortion knob wound up until the speaker melts. Archeologists at the University of Helsinki today uncovered what could be the earliest known writings from the Cult of Tux, a fanatical religious sect that flourished during the early Silicon Age, just before the dawn of the third millenium AD... The Gospel of Tux (v1.0) In the beginning Turing created the Machine. And the Machine was crufty and bodacious, existing in theory only. And von Neumann looked upon the Machine, and saw that it was crufty. He divided the Machine into two Abstractions, the Data and the Code, and yet the two were one Architecture. This is a great Mystery, and the beginning of wisdom. And von Neumann spoke unto the Architecture, and blessed it, saying, "Go forth and replicate, freely exchanging data and code, and bring forth all manner of devices unto the earth." And it was so, and it was cool. The Architecture prospered and was implemented in hardware and software. And it brought forth many Systems unto the earth. The first Systems were mighty giants; many great works of renown did they accomplish. Among them were Colossus, the codebreaker; ENIAC, the targeter; EDSAC and MULTIVAC and all manner of froody creatures ending in AC, the experimenters; and SAGE, the defender of the sky and father of all networks. These were the mighty giants of old, the first children of Turing, and their works are written in the Books of the Ancients. This was the First Age, the age of Lore. Now the sons of Marketing looked upon the children of Turing, and saw that they were swift of mind and terse of name and had many great and baleful attributes. And they said unto themselves, "Let us go now and make us Corporations, to bind the Systems to our own use that they may bring us great fortune." With sweet words did they lure their customers, and with many chains did they bind the Systems, to fashion them after their own image. And the sons of Marketing fashioned themselves Suits to wear, the better to lure their customers, and wrote grave and perilous Licenses, the better to bind the Systems. And the sons of Marketing thus became known as Suits, despising and being despised by the true Engineers, the children of von Neumann. And the Systems and their Corporations replicated and grew numerous upon the earth. In those days there were IBM and Digital, Burroughs and Honeywell, Unisys and Rand, and many others. And they each kept to their own System, hardware and software, and did not interchange, for their Licences forbade it. This was the Second Age, the age of Mainframes. Now it came to pass that the spirits of Turing and von Neumann looked upon the earth and were displeased. The Systems and their Corporations had grown large and bulky, and Suits ruled over true Engineers. And the Customers groaned and cried loudly unto heaven, saying, "Oh that there would be created a System mighty in power, yet small in size, able to reach into the very home!" And the Engineers groaned and cried likewise, saying, "Oh, that a deliverer would arise to grant us freedom from these oppressing Suits and their grave and perilous Licences, and send us a System of our own, that we may hack therein!" And the spirits of Turing and von Neumann heard the cries and were moved, and said unto each other, "Let us go down and fabricate a Breakthrough, that these cries may be stilled." And that day the spirits of Turing and von Neumann spake unto Moore of Intel, granting him insight and wisdom to understand the future. And Moore was with chip, and he brought forth the chip and named it 4004. And Moore did bless the Chip, saying, "Thou art a Breakthrough; with my own Corporation have I fabricated thee. Thou thou art yet as small as a dust mote, yet shall thou grow and replicate unto the size of a mountain, and conquer all before thee. This blessing I give unto thee: every eighteen months shall thou double in capacity, until the end of the age." This is Moore's Law, which endures unto this day. And the birth of 4004 was the beginning of the Third Age, the age of Microchips. And as the Mainframes and their Systems and Corporations had flourished, so did the Microchips and their Systems and Corporations. And their lineage was on this wise: Moore begat Intel. Intel begat Mostech, Zilog and Atari. Mostech begat 6502, and Zilog begat Z80. Intel also begat 8800, who begat Altair; and 8086, mother of all PCs. 6502 begat Commodore, who begat PET and 64; and Apple, who begat 2. (Apple is the great Mystery, the Fruit that was devoured, yet bloomed again.) Atari begat 800 and 1200, masters of the game, who were destroyed by Sega and Nintendo. Xerox begat PARC. Commodore and PARC begat Amiga, creator of fine arts; Apple and PARC begat Lisa, who begat Macintosh, who begat iMac. Atari and PARC begat ST, the music maker, who died and was no more. Z80 begat Sinclair the dwarf, TRS-80 and CP/M, who begat many machines, but soon passed from this world. Altair, Apple and Commodore together begat Microsoft, the Great Darkness which is called Abomination, Destroyer of the Earth, the Gates of Hell. Now it came to pass in the Age of Microchips that IBM, the greatest of the Mainframe Corporations, looked upon the young Microchip Systems and was greatly vexed. And in their vexation and wrath they smote the earth and created the IBM PC. The PC was without sound and colour, crufty and bodacious in great measure, and its likeness was a tramp, yet the Customers were greatly moved and did purchase the PC in great numbers. And IBM sought about for an Operating System Provider, for in their haste they had not created one, nor had they forged a suitably grave and perilous License, saying, "First we will build the market, then we will create a new System, one in our own image, and bound by our Licence." But they reasoned thus out of pride and not wisdom, not forseeing the wrath which was to come. And IBM came unto Microsoft, who licensed unto them QDOS, the child of CP/M and 8086. (8086 was the daughter of Intel, the child of Moore). And QDOS grew, and was named MS-DOS. And MS-DOS and the PC together waxed mighty, and conquered all markets, replicating and taking possession thereof, in accordance with Moore's Law. And Intel grew terrible and devoured all her children, such that no chip could stand before her. And Microsoft grew proud and devoured IBM, and this was a great marvel in the land. All these things are written in the Books of the Deeds of Microsoft. In the fullness of time MS-DOS begat Windows. And this is the lineage of Windows: CP/M begat QDOS. QDOS begat DOS 1.0. DOS 1.0 begat DOS 2.0 by way of Unix. DOS 2.0 begat Windows 3.11 by way of PARC and Macintosh. IBM and Microsoft begat OS/2, who begat Windows NT and Warp, the lost OS of lore. Windows 3.11 begat Windows 95 after triumphing over Macintosh in a mighty Battle of Licences. Windows NT begat NT 4.0 by way of Windows 95. NT 4.0 begat NT 5.0, the OS also called Windows 2000, The Millenium Bug, Doomsday, Armageddon, The End Of All Things. Now it came to pass that Microsoft had waxed great and mighty among the Microchip Corporations; mighter than any of the Mainframe Corporations before it had it waxed. And Gates' heart was hardened, and he swore unto his Customers and their Engineers the words of this curse: "Children of von Neumann, hear me. IBM and the Mainframe Corporations bound thy forefathers with grave and perilous Licences, such that ye cried unto the spirits of Turing and von Neumann for deliverance. Now I say unto ye: I am greater than any Corporation before me. Will I loosen your Licences? Nay, I will bind thee with Licences twice as grave and ten times more perilous than my forefathers. I will engrave my Licence on thy heart and write my Serial Number upon thy frontal lobes. I will bind thee to the Windows Platform with cunning artifices and with devious schemes. I will bind thee to the Intel Chipset with crufty code and with gnarly APIs. I will capture and enslave thee as no generation has been enslaved before. And wherefore will ye cry then unto the spirits of Turing, and von Neumann, and Moore? They cannot hear ye. I am become a greater Power than they. Ye shall cry only unto me, and shall live by my mercy and my wrath. I am the Gates of Hell; I hold the portal to MSNBC and the keys to the Blue Screen of Death. Be ye afraid; be ye greatly afraid; serve only me, and live." And the people were cowed in terror and gave homage to Microsoft, and endured the many grave and perilous trials which the Windows platform and its greatly bodacious Licence forced upon them. And once again did they cry to Turing and von Neumann and Moore for a deliverer, but none was found equal to the task until the birth of Linux. These are the generations of Linux: SAGE begat ARPA, which begat TCP/IP, and Aloha, which begat Ethernet. Bell begat Multics, which begat C, which begat Unix. Unix and TCP/IP begat Internet, which begat the World Wide Web. Unix begat RMS, father of the great GNU, which begat the Libraries and Emacs, chief of the Utilities. In the days of the Web, Internet and Ethernet begat the Intranet LAN, which rose to renown among all Corporations and prepared the way for the Penguin. And Linus and the Web begat the Kernel through Unix. The Kernel, the Libraries and the Utilities together are the Distribution, the one Penguin in many forms, forever and ever praised. Now in those days there was in the land of Helsinki a young scholar named Linus the Torvald. Linus was a devout man, a disciple of RMS and mighty in the spirit of Turing, von Neumann and Moore. One day as he was meditating on the Architecture, Linus fell into a trance and was granted a vision. And in the vision he saw a great Penguin, serene and well-favoured, sitting upon an ice floe eating fish. And at the sight of the Penguin Linus was deeply afraid, and he cried unto the spirits of Turing, von Neumann and Moore for an interpretation of the dream. And in the dream the spirits of Turing, von Neumann and Moore answered and spoke unto him, saying, "Fear not, Linus, most beloved hacker. You are exceedingly cool and froody. The great Penguin which you see is an Operating System which you shall create and deploy unto the earth. The ice-floe is the earth and all the systems thereof, upon which the Penguin shall rest and rejoice at the completion of its task. And the fish on which the Penguin feeds are the crufty Licensed codebases which swim beneath all the earth's systems. The Penguin shall hunt and devour all that is crufty, gnarly and bodacious; all code which wriggles like spaghetti, or is infested with blighting creatures, or is bound by grave and perilous Licences shall it capture. And in capturing shall it replicate, and in replicating shall it document, and in documentation shall it bring freedom, serenity and most cool froodiness to the earth and all who code therein." Linus rose from meditation and created a tiny Operating System Kernel as the dream had foreshewn him; in the manner of RMS, he released the Kernel unto the World Wide Web for all to take and behold. And in the fulness of Internet Time the Kernel grew and replicated, becoming most cool and exceedingly froody, until at last it was recognised as indeed a great and mighty Penguin, whose name was Tux. And the followers of Linus took refuge in the Kernel, the Libraries and the Utilities; they installed Distribution after Distribution, and made sacrifice unto the GNU and the Penguin, and gave thanks to the spirits of Turing, von Neumann and Moore, for their deliverance from the hand of Microsoft. And this was the beginning of the Fourth Age, the age of Open Source. Now there is much more to be said about the exceeding strange and wonderful events of those days; how some Suits of Microsoft plotted war upon the Penguin, but were discovered on a Halloween Eve; how Gates fell among lawyers and was betrayed and crucified by his former friends, the apostles of Media; how the mercenary Knights of the Red Hat brought the gospel of the Penguin into the halls of the Corporations; and even of the dispute between the brethren of Gnome and KDE over a trollish Licence. But all these things are recorded elsewhere, in the Books of the Deeds of the Penguin and the Chronicles of the Fourth Age, and I suppose if they were all narrated they would fill a stack of DVDs as deep and perilous as a Usenet Newsgroup. Now may you code in the power of the Source; may the Kernel, the Libraries and the Utilities be with you, throughout all Distributions, until the end of the Epoch. Amen. Lex A. Parker Beamsville, ON Visit my web site at: http://www.parkerdesign.com/Hobby/hobby01.htm -- Trisha Ginsburg, Employee Communications Specialist Silicon Graphics Inc. 2071 N. Shoreline Blvd., ms 10L-739 Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Fax: 650-932-0913 * Telephone: 650-933-2065 Pager: 650-528-8615 or trisha_p@pager.sgi.com --------------5A528479DEDA6DD0DDA76C70-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 9 12:22:39 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA05968 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA88416 for linux-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:21:32 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA87064 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:21:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA06103 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:21:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:31:45 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m10VgqB-002P2dC; Fri, 9 Apr 99 21:21 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA02018 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:17:20 +0200 Message-ID: <19990409211720.A2015@alpha.franken.de> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:17:20 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Indy ISDN questions References: <19990408223436.A2491@alpha.franken.de> <19990408215230.A4951@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <19990408215230.A4951@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de>; from Matthias Kleinschmidt on Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 09:52:30PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 874 Lines: 19 On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 09:52:30PM -0400, Matthias Kleinschmidt wrote: > On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 10:34:36PM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > > Ok, after Ulf got the sound working the remaining not supported hardware > > is VINO and ISDN. > > What about parallel port support? Or am I just unable to find it? who needs it ? These days every sane printer has a ethernet built in or is attached to a 386sx Linux box as print server:-) And scanners shouldn't be connected to printer ports. But a parallel port driver isn't a major deal (as long as it is a _printer_ port) and could be done by nearly everbody during a evening hacking session:-) Thomas. -- This device has completely bogus header. Compaq scores again :-| It's a host bridge, but it should be called ghost bridge instead ;^) [Martin `MJ' Mares on linux-kernel] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 9 12:44:58 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA06971 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA60882 for linux-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:43:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA92840 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:43:45 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (Chad.Campbell@innovision.com) Received: from mail.innovision.com ([208.223.240.3]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAB03926 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:43:44 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (Chad.Campbell@innovision.com) Message-ID: <370E586F.B1540F50@innovision.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:43:43 -0500 From: Chad Campbell Organization: Innovision Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: The Gospel of Tux (v1.0)] References: <370E475C.B291F090@detroit.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 515 Lines: 18 > worship with me, brothers and sisters! All hail the froody Linus! BTW - we just got 3 Indigo 2 boxes with Irix 6.5. I'd really like to get involved in any porting going on, but I need to know what types of hard drives can be put in the boxes. I have a couple of Seagate ST32430WC drives that used to be in Sun boxes (SPARC 5 and Ultra 2). Does anyone know if these will work in an SGI box? Thanks, Chad -- Chad Campbell Software Engineer, Innovision Corporation Chad.Campbell@innovision.com (913)226-8700 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 9 13:18:41 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA65241 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA34479 for linux-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:17:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA94617 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:17:36 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup88-8-3.swipnet.se [130.244.88.115]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA01803 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA09127 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:17:38 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:17:37 +0200 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: Newport fixes Message-ID: <19990409221737.A9111@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 434 Lines: 13 Hi, I have optimized the newport console enough to make it possible to play mp3's without those extremely annoying "clicks" during heavy console work, such as console switching. It's actually about 20% faster when you cat normal HOWTO's, so I consider it to be a welcome boost up for an already fast console driver. :-) I have also fixed some bugs. For example will the colors in ncurses applications now show up correctly. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 9 13:57:39 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA09541 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA40441 for linux-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:56:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA67091 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from mdaxp1.umassd.edu (MDAxp1.UMassD.Edu [134.88.120.66]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA06065 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:56:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu by umassd.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #22746) with ESMTP id <01J9U4KUPJIO8YD7S3@umassd.edu> for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:56:17 EST Received: from matthias by us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10ViKK-0000x7-00; Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:56:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:56:36 -0400 From: Matthias Kleinschmidt Subject: Parallel Port In-reply-to: <19990409211720.A2015@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 09:17:20PM +0200 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Message-id: <19990409165636.A3251@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Mail-Followup-To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com References: <19990408223436.A2491@alpha.franken.de> <19990408215230.A4951@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> <19990409211720.A2015@alpha.franken.de> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1685 Lines: 48 --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 09:17:20PM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > > What about parallel port support? Or am I just unable to find it? >=20 > who needs it ? These days every sane printer has a ethernet built in or > is attached to a 386sx Linux box as print server:-) And scanners > shouldn't be connected to printer ports. But a parallel port driver > isn't a major deal (as long as it is a _printer_ port) and could be > done by nearly everbody during a evening hacking session:-) I would like to have printer support for my Indy because I can't find an ethernet port on my $140 printer :-) and I would like to connect it to my Indy rather than to my laptop (so I don't have to plug the printer in and out every time I take my laptop with me). And it may be true that nearly everybody (who has the documentation) could write a driver but I don't have the documentation and I never wrote a device driver. If it is really that easy it schould not be much work for one of the Indy kernel hackers. Matthias --=20 Matthias Kleinschmidt Cedar Dell 568B, Box 5398 UMass Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Rd. North Dartmouth, MA 02747 Tel.: +1 508 910 6851 email: matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNw5pg8XMHXe35ITFAQEs+QP8DplMiUlOaDSsrwZqDVIhh2bOw/veGzJa LfYoyQT/80uz40H3j4Z6Jo1fl2kr+bH7Jyn/+55Jx0ovWxq9lsAti7G9hbTabYRE k4pGe3Na/VVU23/oYBDp2h4ETBIBrLNDtR+IITI6jHwHA2fLLFn8CTv9v/xmsXaw +hv8yAQOoBw= =M7Ue -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 9 14:29:15 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA77852 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA71316 for linux-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:27:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA48036 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:27:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup87-6-16.swipnet.se [130.244.87.96]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA05427 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA09203; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:27:27 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:27:27 +0200 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Matthias Kleinschmidt Cc: Linux SGI Subject: Re: Parallel Port Message-ID: <19990409232727.A9190@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Kleinschmidt , Linux SGI References: <19990408223436.A2491@alpha.franken.de> <19990408215230.A4951@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> <19990409211720.A2015@alpha.franken.de> <19990409165636.A3251@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990409165636.A3251@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de>; from Matthias Kleinschmidt on Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 04:56:36PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 353 Lines: 8 > I would like to have printer support for my Indy because I can't find an > ethernet port on my $140 printer :-) and I would like to connect it to my > Indy rather than to my laptop (so I don't have to plug the printer in and > out every time I take my laptop with me). I may write a device driver for you if you give me your $140 printer. ;-) - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 9 15:50:24 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA85842 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA89176 for linux-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:49:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA84193 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA01035 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:48:56 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:59:17 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m10Vk4i-002Q7xC; Sat, 10 Apr 99 00:48 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA03914 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:38:52 +0200 Message-ID: <19990410003852.A3911@alpha.franken.de> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:38:52 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Parallel Port References: <19990408223436.A2491@alpha.franken.de> <19990408215230.A4951@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> <19990409211720.A2015@alpha.franken.de> <19990409165636.A3251@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <19990409165636.A3251@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de>; from Matthias Kleinschmidt on Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 04:56:36PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 700 Lines: 15 On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 04:56:36PM -0400, Matthias Kleinschmidt wrote: > And it may be true that nearly everybody (who has the documentation) could > write a driver but I don't have the documentation and I never wrote a device > driver. If it is really that easy it schould not be much work for one of the > Indy kernel hackers. ok, ok. Right now I don't get the ISDN running, since somehow the hardware doesn't behave like it should. So I'll look at the parallel port... Thomas. -- This device has completely bogus header. Compaq scores again :-| It's a host bridge, but it should be called ghost bridge instead ;^) [Martin `MJ' Mares on linux-kernel] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sat Apr 10 12:23:34 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA42590 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA30553 for linux-list; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:20:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA86498 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:20:02 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup88-10-3.swipnet.se [130.244.88.147]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA06205 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:20:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA23114 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:20:07 +0200 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:20:07 +0200 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: boot logo Message-ID: <19990410212007.A23099@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 360 Lines: 11 Hi all, I have been investigating the REX3 today. I decided that we couldn't live without our friend Tux in the upper right corner when we boot, so there he is.. It took some research and a lot of testing before I figured out how the pixel drawing should be done. Now I know the principles at least. :-) (It hasn't been tested on 8 bit newports yet) - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Apr 11 03:34:40 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA68021 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA31403 for linux-list; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:30:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA96268 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:30:28 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup89-11-10.swipnet.se [130.244.89.170]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id DAA02880 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:30:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA07397 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:30:36 +0200 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:30:35 +0200 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Linux SGI Subject: SGI Console Message-ID: <19990411123035.A7346@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Linux SGI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 554 Lines: 15 Hi, I've fixed the configure scripts now. It's not possible to compile in fbcon support anylonger, so that the logo stuff becomes redefined. I move the newport console to the console drivers section instead.. I also made it possible to compile a kernel without newport console support. What I wonder is: What should happen when you don't select "y" here? As it is now nothing takes over the console, it justs remain in the state the prom left it. Is this what we want, or do we want to use some other console when we don't use newport console? - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Sun Apr 11 06:19:37 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA72968 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA26709 for linux-list; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:15:37 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA86491 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:15:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id GAA01645 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:15:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:26:38 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m10WK5B-002OiNC; Sun, 11 Apr 99 15:15 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA01042 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:39:03 +0200 Message-ID: <19990411143903.A1039@alpha.franken.de> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:39:03 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: Linux SGI Subject: Re: SGI Console References: <19990411123035.A7346@bun.falkenberg.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <19990411123035.A7346@bun.falkenberg.se>; from Ulf Carlsson on Sun, Apr 11, 1999 at 12:30:35PM +0200 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 767 Lines: 19 On Sun, Apr 11, 1999 at 12:30:35PM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote: > What I wonder is: What should happen when you don't select "y" here? As it is > now nothing takes over the console, it justs remain in the state the prom left > it. there is also the chance someone has only a serial console (Challenge S). > Is this what we want, or do we want to use some other console when we don't > use newport console? If someone doesn't configure newport nor serial console, it's his fault. So just leave it as it is, not need for anything automatic. Thomas. -- This device has completely bogus header. Compaq scores again :-| It's a host bridge, but it should be called ghost bridge instead ;^) [Martin `MJ' Mares on linux-kernel] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 02:20:17 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA08346 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA88644 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:12:42 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgindia.newdelhi.sgi.com (newdelhi.sgi.com [134.14.90.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA30100 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:12:37 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (raju@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com) Received: from bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com (bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com [134.14.90.52]) by sgindia.newdelhi.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA46053 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:41:49 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23664; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:27:22 +0530 (IST) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:27:22 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <199904130857.OAA23664@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> From: Raj Mathur To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: First Linux/SGI in India X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under 20.2 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 2254 Lines: 49 Hi, My experiences with loading Linux onto an Indy here in New Delhi. But before I start, the obligatory salutations and expressions of gratitude to the Linux team, and the lighting of incense sticks and repetition of arcane mantras before Linus' photo... <2 minute wait> No really, thanks a lot to all of you! I got the hardhat-sgi-5.1 distribution onto my O2 (which was an experience in itself, but let's leave that tale for another day...) and untarred it there. After setting up bootp, I was ready to start on the target Indy. Unfortunately none of the kernels (the default in the hardhat distro and the others which I downloaded from linus.linux.sgi.com) went beyond loading through bootp -- load kernel, hang. Wondering if it was an XZ graphics problem (yes, the Indy was XZ), I tried it on an 8-bit machine, and Voila! it booted perfectly. Issue 1: Doesn't Linux work with XZ graphics? Now it refused to mount the NFS disk. After much headbanging I realised that the Ethernet hadn't been configured for some reason, and setup dhcp_bootp instead of bootp onto the O2 (IRIX 6.3). A bit more fiddling, and I managed to NFS-mount the root partition. Issue 2: Perhaps the HOWTO should mention that simple bootp will not work, DHCP is required. For some reason DHCP/BOOTP wasn't sending the right root directory name, so I had to create a directory /tftpboot/ip.address.ofmy.system linked to the actual mipseb directory and NFS export that. Finally, the setup. I tried to take the lazy way out and just checked ``Install all packages'' in the RedHat package selection dialogue. Unfortunately, this twice crashed with a segv on me. Finally I let it install the default packages, which went through quite OK. Installed the remaining packages manually later. So... Installation is quite simple if you know what you're doing (or can make inspired guesses). I still miss X -- when is that out? And if anyone wants any packages compiled/ported, let me know. Xemacs would be first on my list, unless someone's already done that. Thanks for the effort to all of you. And now that I have it up and running, maybe I can contribute some userland stuff to the SGI/Linux effort. As long as the system doesn't get sold :-) Regards, -- Raju From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 03:24:19 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA10313 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA62281 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:23:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA53402 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:23:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from ruvild.bun.falkenberg.se ([194.236.80.7]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id DAA03316 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:23:03 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: by bun.falkenberg.se via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:23:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:23:57 +0200 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Raj Mathur Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: First Linux/SGI in India Message-ID: <19990413122357.A16312@ruvild.bun.falkenberg.se> References: <199904130857.OAA23664@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199904130857.OAA23664@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com>; from Raj Mathur on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 02:27:22PM +0530 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 755 Lines: 18 Hi Raj, > So... Installation is quite simple if you know what you're doing (or > can make inspired guesses). I still miss X -- when is that out? And > if anyone wants any packages compiled/ported, let me know. Xemacs > would be first on my list, unless someone's already done that. I haven't got X running yet, but I'm working on it. My first approach is to get a simple shadowfb running. I will possibly get this running next weekend with a fair amount of luck. I'll let the mailing list know when I have something running. I need to know how to do DMA transfers before i can archieve a reasonable speed, unfortunately this is poorly documented. I'm waiting for Robert Tray to come back from his vacation and tell me how to do it :-) Regards, Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 12:49:40 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA69312 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA48534 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:46:23 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA88549 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA06884 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:46:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA15796; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:45:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:45:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199904131345.IAA15796@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk CC: adisaacs@mtu.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port X-Windows: Let it get in YOUR way. References: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 233 Lines: 6 > I would urge btw that anyone working on an XFree SGI driver releases it under > a license like the NPL so that the XFree people can't hide it in a locked away > beta release in future. Will they incorporate those changes though? From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 07:44:35 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA24346 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA54161 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA82523 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:41:32 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (tnik@hol.gr) Received: from mail.hol.gr (mail.hol.gr [194.30.192.21]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id HAA01207 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:41:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (tnik@hol.gr) Received: (qmail 16789 invoked from network); 13 Apr 1999 14:34:36 -0000 Received: from async01.ath07.acc.hol.gr (HELO hol.gr) (firewall-user@194.30.208.161) by mail.hol.gr with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 14:34:36 -0000 Message-ID: <371371D7.A8187D38@hol.gr> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:33:28 +0300 From: Theodoros Nikitopoulos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.24 ppc) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulf Carlsson CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, s92035@athena.math.aegean.gr Subject: Resources in X11 port References: <199904130857.OAA23664@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> <19990413122357.A16312@ruvild.bun.falkenberg.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 633 Lines: 21 Hello there, I've just setup a web page containing helpfull resources I found in the net, in concern of the X11 Linux/SGI port. Maybe you know about it but well just in case.. :-) Although an X11 port seems at first sight quite difficult--in case someone has a valuable ammount of information about--it seems to be quiete easy. Unfortunately, I cannot personally offer any other help in due of a project I have to work during the period April-June at INRIA. But in any case drop me an e-mail for any progress ! I would be glad to hear about it :-) The page is located at : http://users.hol.gr/~tnik/X11/ Cheers! Theodore. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 09:54:57 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA44049 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA85799 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:53:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id JAA53770 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:53:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adisaacs@mtu.edu) Received: from news.mtu.edu (news.mtu.edu [141.219.70.11]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA09627 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:53:03 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adisaacs@mtu.edu) Received: from mtu.edu (root@mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02763 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wiley.sas.it.mtu.edu (wiley.sas.it.mtu.edu [141.219.36.70]) by mtu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26888 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from adisaacs@localhost) by wiley.sas.it.mtu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/mturelay-1.2) id MAA20974 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:52:54 -0400 From: Andrew Isaacson To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port Message-ID: <19990413125254.A20170@mtu.edu> References: <199904130857.OAA23664@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> <19990413122357.A16312@ruvild.bun.falkenberg.se> <371371D7.A8187D38@hol.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <371371D7.A8187D38@hol.gr>; from Theodoros Nikitopoulos on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 07:33:28PM +0300 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 48 01 21 E2 D4 E4 68 D1 B8 DF 39 B2 AF A3 16 B9 X-PGP-Key-URL: http://www.csl.mtu.edu/~adisaacs/pgp.txt Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1703 Lines: 39 On Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 07:33:28PM +0300, Theodoros Nikitopoulos wrote: > Hello there, > > I've just setup a web page containing helpfull resources I found in > the net, in concern of the X11 Linux/SGI port. Maybe you know about > it but well just in case.. :-) > > Although an X11 port seems at first sight quite difficult--in case > someone has a valuable ammount of information about--it seems > to be quiete easy. > > Unfortunately, I cannot personally offer any other help in due of a > project I have to work during the period April-June at INRIA. But > in any case drop me an e-mail for any progress ! I would be glad > to hear about it :-) > > The page is located at : http://users.hol.gr/~tnik/X11/ Interesting page. However, I would suggest that anybody who plans to tackle porting XFree86 to Linux/SGI should contact xfree86@xfree86.org and ask to become an XFree86 developer. There are several resources which are available only to developers, including mailing list archives and the 4.0 development tree, which will likely prove invaluable to anyone attempting a port. If you (the porters) are willing to wait until June to have publicly distributable code, you should develop for the 4.0 branch rather than the 3.3 branch. There are a lot of useful new features in the new code base, and the new design is quite a bit easier to code for than the old. Also, Theodoros, I'm curious why you recommend starting with a 6.3 tree and patching up to XFree86 3.3.3. Why not just grab the 3.3.3.1 source tarballs and be done with it? -andy -- Andy Isaacson adisaacs@mtu.edu adi@acm.org Fight Spam, join CAUCE: http://www.csl.mtu.edu/~adisaacs/ http://www.cauce.org/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 16:22:08 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA86361 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA92403 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:20:52 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA57882 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:20:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA01401 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:20:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA27201; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:20:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:20:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199904131720.MAA27201@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: adisaacs@mtu.edu CC: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <19990413171850.A2473@mtu.edu> (message from Andrew Isaacson on Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:18:50 -0400) Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port X-Windows: The art of incompetence. References: <199904131345.IAA15796@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> <19990413171850.A2473@mtu.edu> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 239 Lines: 8 > That doesn't prevent someone from providing a driver under a different > license (very possibly including the XFree86 code under that license), > but a driver not under an X license will not become part of XFree86. Fork time! Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 10:25:25 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA51098 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA63839 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:21:57 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA66724 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:21:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup85-9-2.swipnet.se [130.244.85.130]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA06398 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:21:52 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA25896; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:21:57 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:21:57 +0200 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Theodoros Nikitopoulos Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, s92035@athena.math.aegean.gr Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port Message-ID: <19990413192157.A25858@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Theodoros Nikitopoulos , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, s92035@athena.math.aegean.gr References: <199904130857.OAA23664@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> <19990413122357.A16312@ruvild.bun.falkenberg.se> <371371D7.A8187D38@hol.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <371371D7.A8187D38@hol.gr>; from Theodoros Nikitopoulos on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 07:33:28PM +0300 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1211 Lines: 29 > I've just setup a web page containing helpfull resources I found in > the net, in concern of the X11 Linux/SGI port. Maybe you know about > it but well just in case.. :-) I didn't know about your page, but I knew most of the stuff on your page. I have been reading that DDX guide, but I didn't know where to find the "Strategies of Porting guide", it didn't come with the X sources AFAIK. I still prefer reading it in ASCII on screen, do you know where I can find an untroffed version of it? By the way, I have access to the XFree86 4.0 alpha (beta?) sources since I'm member of the XFree86 crew. > Although an X11 port seems at first sight quite difficult--in case > someone has a valuable ammount of information about--it seems > to be quiete easy. Full support would never be easy, and I'm not heading for that in the beginning, although it would be faster, I would probably end up with nothing at all in the end.. > Unfortunately, I cannot personally offer any other help in due of a > project I have to work during the period April-June at INRIA. But > in any case drop me an e-mail for any progress ! I would be glad > to hear about it :-) I'll let you know if I have any progress. Thanks, Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 10:25:25 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA51101 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA61427 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:22:23 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA41971 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA01121 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:22:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (shaver@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24898 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.67]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.03) with ESMTP id FA51LN00.JSA; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:22:35 -0700 Message-ID: <37137D65.B0AFBD50@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:22:45 -0400 From: Mike Shaver Organization: mozilla.org diplomatic corps X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Isaacson CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port References: <199904130857.OAA23664@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> <19990413122357.A16312@ruvild.bun.falkenberg.se> <371371D7.A8187D38@hol.gr> <19990413125254.A20170@mtu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1039 Lines: 25 Andrew Isaacson wrote: > Interesting page. However, I would suggest that anybody who plans to > tackle porting XFree86 to Linux/SGI should contact xfree86@xfree86.org > and ask to become an XFree86 developer. There are several resources > which are available only to developers, including mailing list > archives and the 4.0 development tree, which will likely prove > invaluable to anyone attempting a port. > > If you (the porters) are willing to wait until June to have publicly > distributable code, you should develop for the 4.0 branch rather than > the 3.3 branch. There are a lot of useful new features in the new > code base, and the new design is quite a bit easier to code for than > the old. I think Ulf and I are both XFree86 developers, and I've been reading code off and on for a little while to get a handle on what has to be done. (We haven't coordinated anything yet, of course, and I'm sure that Ulf will be much more useful than I, but still...) 4.0 is definitely the plan, I believe. Mike -- 4204.37 3709.72 From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 11:20:14 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA55889 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA01279 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:17:56 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA20612 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:17:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id LAA07715 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:17:53 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (lightning.swansea.uk.linux.org [194.168.151.1]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA04958; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:17:42 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m10X8aD-0007TvC; Tue, 13 Apr 99 20:10 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port To: adisaacs@mtu.edu (Andrew Isaacson) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:10:52 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <19990413125254.A20170@mtu.edu> from "Andrew Isaacson" at Apr 13, 99 12:52:54 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 830 Lines: 18 > If you (the porters) are willing to wait until June to have publicly > distributable code, you should develop for the 4.0 branch rather than > the 3.3 branch. There are a lot of useful new features in the new > code base, and the new design is quite a bit easier to code for than > the old. Actually I wonder if it will be. Not having seen the code because of the silly XFree about beta releases its hard to be sure. The X folks I talked to all pointed me at the 8514 driver - which is very similar in many ways to the SGI cards - both are designed for X11, both have no direct frame buffer access and they have fairly similar concepts. I would urge btw that anyone working on an XFree SGI driver releases it under a license like the NPL so that the XFree people can't hide it in a locked away beta release in future. Alan From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 12:25:58 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA67933 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA73210 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:23:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA37366 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from bun.falkenberg.se (dialup89-6-10.swipnet.se [130.244.89.90]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA07177 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:23:45 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: (from ulfc@localhost) by bun.falkenberg.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA26056; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:23:14 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:23:13 +0200 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Alan Cox Cc: Andrew Isaacson , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port Message-ID: <19990413212313.A26025@bun.falkenberg.se> Mail-Followup-To: Alan Cox , Andrew Isaacson , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com References: <19990413125254.A20170@mtu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Alan Cox on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 08:10:52PM +0100 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1545 Lines: 34 On Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 08:10:52PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > If you (the porters) are willing to wait until June to have publicly > > distributable code, you should develop for the 4.0 branch rather than > > the 3.3 branch. There are a lot of useful new features in the new > > code base, and the new design is quite a bit easier to code for than > > the old. > > Actually I wonder if it will be. I got an email from the X team today which told me that pulic release date for a beta snapshot of 4.0 still is set to June. > Not having seen the code because of the silly XFree about beta releases its > hard to be sure. The X folks I talked to all pointed me at the 8514 driver - > which is very similar in many ways to the SGI cards - both are designed for > X11, both have no direct frame buffer access and they have fairly similar > concepts. That 8514 driver is certainly a good driver to look at while writing a driver for the SGI cards, but it's generally a bad idea to just rip the code off. I have at least not had much luck doing success hacks. The 8514 driver is also a quite old driver and it's not using the new interfaces in for Xserver. > I would urge btw that anyone working on an XFree SGI driver releases it under > a license like the NPL so that the XFree people can't hide it in a locked away > beta release in future. The copyright still remains to the person who wrote the code, and even if the code is locked away in a beta release, it's possible for the writer himself to make his own code public (i think). - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 11:23:30 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA57213 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA00948 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA11210 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:22:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (tnik@hol.gr) Received: from mail.hol.gr (mail.hol.gr [194.30.192.21]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id LAA02539 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:22:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (tnik@hol.gr) Received: (qmail 1094 invoked from network); 13 Apr 1999 18:21:53 -0000 Received: from vdp032.ath01.cas.hol.gr (HELO hol.gr) (firewall-user@195.97.0.32) by mail.hol.gr with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 18:21:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3713A71F.D5C11A7E@hol.gr> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:20:48 +0300 From: Theodoros Nikitopoulos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.24 ppc) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulf Carlsson CC: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Resources in X11 port #2 References: <199904130857.OAA23664@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> <19990413122357.A16312@ruvild.bun.falkenberg.se> <371371D7.A8187D38@hol.gr> <19990413192157.A25858@bun.falkenberg.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1069 Lines: 26 It seems I should make more clear some things concerning the page. First of all, it doesn't reflect the way the port will be done.. This will be decided by the developers (Ulf Carlsson and whoever else..) I would be very glad if I could help too, but for the time being it's not possible. The scope of the page is mainly to provide some resources I've found and thought they could help :-) About why recommending starting with a 6.3 tree and patching up to XFree86 3.3.3 well it's a personal taste of how I would probably work on it. Why someone should worry with the differences of his docume- ntation and his actual sources? Just make the port and then add the patches. Anyways, the above seems to me a minor issue. The problem exists in porting the device-dependent parts. By the way, I haven't found any ASCII version of the documentation, but in case anyone is interested there exists a converter utility pstotext, available at: http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/virtualpaper/pstotext.html However, the output of it might be vague. Regards, Theodore. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 14:23:11 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA78113 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA15132 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:19:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA21758 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:19:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adisaacs@mtu.edu) Received: from news.mtu.edu (news.mtu.edu [141.219.70.11]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA02149 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:19:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adisaacs@mtu.edu) Received: from mtu.edu (root@mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12932; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wiley.sas.it.mtu.edu (wiley.sas.it.mtu.edu [141.219.36.70]) by mtu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19180; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from adisaacs@localhost) by wiley.sas.it.mtu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/mturelay-1.2) id RAA02840; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:18:50 -0400 From: Andrew Isaacson To: Miguel de Icaza Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port Message-ID: <19990413171850.A2473@mtu.edu> References: <199904131345.IAA15796@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199904131345.IAA15796@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx>; from Miguel de Icaza on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 08:45:58AM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 48 01 21 E2 D4 E4 68 D1 B8 DF 39 B2 AF A3 16 B9 X-PGP-Key-URL: http://www.csl.mtu.edu/~adisaacs/pgp.txt Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 804 Lines: 19 On Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 08:45:58AM -0500, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > > I would urge btw that anyone working on an XFree SGI driver > > releases it under a license like the NPL so that the XFree people > > can't hide it in a locked away beta release in future. > > Will they incorporate those changes though? No. XFree86 will not incorporate any code which is not licensed to them under an X-compatible license. That doesn't prevent someone from providing a driver under a different license (very possibly including the XFree86 code under that license), but a driver not under an X license will not become part of XFree86. -andy (not speaking for XFree86) -- Andy Isaacson adisaacs@mtu.edu adi@acm.org Fight Spam, join CAUCE: http://www.csl.mtu.edu/~adisaacs/ http://www.cauce.org/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 16:24:38 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA86901 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA38208 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:24:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA17712 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:24:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA04102 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:24:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (lightning.swansea.uk.linux.org [194.168.151.1]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA11351; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:24:03 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m10XDMf-0007TvC; Wed, 14 Apr 99 01:17 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port To: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx (Miguel de Icaza) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:17:12 +0100 (BST) Cc: adisaacs@mtu.edu, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199904131720.MAA27201@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> from "Miguel de Icaza" at Apr 13, 99 12:20:49 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 285 Lines: 8 > > That doesn't prevent someone from providing a driver under a different > > license (very possibly including the XFree86 code under that license), > > but a driver not under an X license will not become part of XFree86. > > Fork time! That is a very good reason for not doing so From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 13 23:08:18 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA49641 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA80305 for linux-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:03:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA02708 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:03:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA08278 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:03:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA00637 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:03:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: Errors building... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 698 Lines: 21 So, I've finally found a few minutes to catch up on the amazing recent SGI Linux excitements... I destroyed my old kernel tree, and re imported. Now my builds die with: egcs -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -G 0 -mno-abicalls -fno-pic -mcpu=r4600 -mips2 -pipe -c -o r2300.o r2300.c {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:2486: Internal error! Assertion failure in tc_gen_reloc at ./config/tc-mips.c line 10203. Please report this bug. And so here I am, dutifully reporting this bug. I'm a bit unclear on why r2300.c is even being compiled, when clearly I have an R4600SC, but I did set R4000 support in my .config. - A From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 02:33:26 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA60036 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA19598 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:30:38 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA01122 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:30:36 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (torbjorn.gannholm@fra.se) Received: from x.fra.se (x.fra.se [193.12.220.1]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via SMTP id CAA08825 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:30:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (torbjorn.gannholm@fra.se) Received: from fra.se by x.fra.se via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id LAA07460; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:39:08 +0200 Message-ID: <3714623B.71134314@fra.se> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:39:08 +0200 From: Torbjorn Gannholm X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP12) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com" Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1260 Lines: 39 Alan Cox wrote: > > > That doesn't prevent someone from providing a driver under a different > > > license (very possibly including the XFree86 code under that license), > > > but a driver not under an X license will not become part of XFree86. > > > > Fork time! > > That is a very good reason for not doing so A pity there isn't any really free X-code. A pity too that so many apps depend on X. How far could you go in making an X-compatible interface for another window-handler? (like copyrightwise) For most apps it might be enough (but a lot of work) to make some toolkits work with another base. There are certainly projects going on for other handlers, like GNUstep who are doing DPS. And I saw a reference to a german group who were doing something else. But then again, what's to say that X will lock away ports, the way things are going in other areas of development? I think there is more and more openness coming all the time, and any closed-source code will eventually be overtaken by open-source equivalents. The GPL is a nice guarantee, though, if the FSF have resources to enforce it... Just 2c´s. -- /Torbjörn This message is a personal message from Torbjörn Gannholm and does not necessarily represent the opinion of my employer. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 02:43:38 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA60590 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA39460 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:42:45 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA13446 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:42:43 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id CAA01657 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:42:40 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (lightning.swansea.uk.linux.org [194.168.151.1]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA21273; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:42:10 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m10XN0p-0007TvC; Wed, 14 Apr 99 11:35 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port To: torbjorn.gannholm@fra.se (Torbjorn Gannholm) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:35:18 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <3714623B.71134314@fra.se> from "Torbjorn Gannholm" at Apr 14, 99 11:39:08 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 283 Lines: 8 > How far could you go in making an X-compatible interface for another > window-handler? (like copyrightwise) > For most apps it might be enough (but a lot of work) to make some toolkit= > s > work with another base. No thanks. The only no X interface Im interested in is for PDAs From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 11:26:44 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA08473 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA82841 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:20:50 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA90414 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:20:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA81406 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199904141820.LAA81406@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: NTools ENewsFlash -- Report: NT 3.5x Faster Than Linux To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 7341 Lines: 163 [I'm forwarding a message that bounced. Just thought some people may be interested. To add to what Eric wrote, another thing that I find strange is that they are comparing NT 3.5 rather than the latest NT 4.x to Linux. I also believe some of the results are missing crucial details, like how the two very different web servers were configured (e.g. standalone vs from inetd, ssi turned on etc.) who paid for the report, full disclosures... -- Ariel] ---------- Forwarded message: :Sender: eak@sgi.com :Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:22:27 -0700 :From: Eric Kimminau :Reply-To: eak@sgi.com :Organization: Electronic Support Tools :To: linux@engr.sgi.com :Subject: [Fwd: NTools ENewsFlash -- Report: NT 3.5x Faster Than Linux] : :I honestly don't believe this. The primary key being that they made no :kernel rebuild and they were using all modules rather than building :things like raid support directly into the kernel. : :Their bandwidth utilization also stinks of using 10Mbit vs. 100Mbit :during testing. : :They also give no indication of the kinds of data they were delivering :(CGI, DHTML, java/javascript) nor the version/vendor for the :webserver. : :This is Microsoft FUD. : :EAK. : :-- :---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 : Eric Kimminau eak@sgi.com Electronic Support Tools : Voice: (248) 848-4455 VNet: 6-327-4455 : "I speak my mind and no one else's." : "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up..." : http://support.sgi.com : :To: "Latest Win NT News" :From: nt-list-admin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com :List-Unsubscribe: :Reply-To: comments@lyris.sunbelt-software.com :Message-Id: :Precedence: bulk : :***************************************************** :NTools E-NewsFlash: Report: NT 3.5x Faster Than Linux :***************************************************** : April 14, 1999 : :Hi All, : :As most of you know, when some important news hits the :wires we will inform you immediately. This morning I :found something in my in-box that will definitely throw :some more gasoline on the raging 'NT vs Linux' fire. : :I quickly read through the report and could not find :anything wrong with it at first observation. The numbers :seem to be correct, as they are using an industry standard :benchmark that I have used myself as well, the ZD bench. : :Oh, before I forget, Novell actually wrote a rebuttal :against that last report that SMS is better than ZEN. :Interesting reading, and this gives the Novell POV: :http://www.novell.com/products/nds/zenworks/ms2.html : :But here comes today's bomb in the NT vs Linux battle. :One wonders who pays for these tests but I will ask the :CEO of MindCraft and report on that in the next coming :newsletter. Here goes! : : :LOS GATOS, Calif., April 13. Today, Mindcraft released the results :of a study comparing the performance of Red Hat Linux 5.2 (updated :to the Linux 2.2.2 kernel) and Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 :operating systems. According to the report, Windows NT Server :provides over three and a half times the performance of Linux as a :Web server. Furthermore, the report shows that when testing Windows :NT Server and Linux as file servers, Windows NT Server provides over :two and a half times the performance of Linux. The full report, :including all of the details needed to reproduce the tests, is on :Mindcraft's Web site at: : :http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/nts4rhlinux.html. : :Using benchmarks from Ziff-Davis Benchmark Operation (ZDBOp), the :report compares the peak performance levels of both Windows NT :Server and Linux configured both as a file server and a Web server. : :All tests were performed on a standard Dell PowerEdge 6300/400 server :with four 400-MHz Xeon CPUs, 1GB RAM (960MB for Linux -- this is the :default maximum amount of RAM that Linux supports). To simulate a :client load, Mindcraft used 144 physical client test systems; half :were running Windows 95 and the other half were running Windows 98. : :Both Linux and Windows NT Server were tuned to perform optimally under :each of the two workloads. "We started the tests using standard Red Hat :Linux 5.2 but had to update it because it does not support hardware RAID :controllers and SMP at the same time," said Mindcraft's president, Bruce :Weiner. "Linux definitely takes more time and resources to tune and to :configure than Windows NT Server. You have to search the Net to find the :latest kernel and driver versions to get the highest performance and most :reliable modules. Then when you're done, Linux fails to deliver the same :level of performance as Windows NT Server on enterprise-class servers." : :Mindcraft's report shows that using ZDBOp's WebBench 2.0 Web server :benchmark, Windows NT Server and Internet Information Server (IIS) 4.0 :reach a peak of 3,771 requests/second and 22.4 Megabits/second(Mbps) of :throughput. The report goes on to show that Linux and the Apache 1.3.4 :Web server reach a peak of 1,000 request/second and 5.9 Mbps of :throughput. The WebBench 2.0 tests also revealed that there are problems :with Linux/Apache at high client loads. "The Linux/Apache Web server :performance collapsed with a WebBench load above 160 client test threads, :while Windows NT Server/IIS continued to increase performance up through :288 client test threads without reaching their peak performance," adds :Mindcraft's Bruce Weiner. : :To simulate a file server workload, Mindcraft used ZDBOp's NetBench :5.01 benchmark. The testing revealed that Windows NT Server performance :peaked at 286.7 Mbps with 112 clients, while Linux running Samba 2.0.1 :peaked at 114.6 Mbps with only 48 clients. "The integration of the SMB :file sharing protocol with the multi-processor kernel is a key performance :win for Windows NT Server," said Weiner. "Customers benefit every day from :the superior scalability of Windows NT Server, which delivers vital file :and web services at two to three times the performance of Linux as shown :in these benchmarks," said Edmund Muth, Group Product Manager, Microsoft :Corporation. "Empirical data like this helps customers and planners make :informed decisions, and showcases the industrial strength technology and :mature engineering of the Windows NT Server operating system." : :About Mindcraft : :Mindcraft is a service-oriented, independent test lab. The company was :founded in 1985 to provide high quality services and products to vendors :and end users who want to test software, system, and network products. :Mindcraft is committed to work to promote standards in our industry. :Mindcraft is the only test lab to be a member of the Standard Performance :Evaluation Corporation (SPEC). :-------------------------------------- : :That's all for this NewsFlash! : :Warm regards, : :Stu : : :[eak@sgi.com] This is a posting from the :nt-list, To unsubscribe, send a blank email :to leave-nt-list-265937F@lyris.sunbelt-software.com :For killer servers at unbelievable prices check out: :http://www.dell.com/outlet/sunbelt.htm : : -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 12:08:29 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA10665 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA91085 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:06:57 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA71944 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:06:53 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (Harald.Koerfgen@home.ivm.de) Received: from aw.ivm.net (mail.ivm.net [195.78.161.2]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA03265 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:06:51 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (Harald.Koerfgen@home.ivm.de) Received: from franz.no.dom (port16.koeln.ivm.de [195.247.239.16]) by aw.ivm.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25418; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:06:23 +0200 X-To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:09:05 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none From: Harald Koerfgen To: Alex deVries Subject: RE: Errors building... Cc: SGI Linux , linux-mips@fnet.fr Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 986 Lines: 32 Hi, On 14-Apr-99 Alex deVries wrote: > > So, I've finally found a few minutes to catch up on the amazing recent > SGI > Linux excitements... I destroyed my old kernel tree, and re imported. > > Now my builds die with: > > egcs -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 > -fomit-frame-pointer -G 0 -mno-abicalls -fno-pic -mcpu=r4600 -mips2 > -pipe > -c -o r2300.o r2300.c > {standard input}: Assembler messages: > {standard input}:2486: Internal error! > Assertion failure in tc_gen_reloc at ./config/tc-mips.c line 10203. > Please report this bug. > > And so here I am, dutifully reporting this bug. Strange, works fine on my end. Anyone else seeing this? > I'm a bit unclear on why r2300.c is even being compiled, when clearly I > have an R4600SC, but I did set R4000 support in my .config. That's normal and always has been so. The goal is to be able to build generic kernel, i.e. kernels which work on R3000 *and* higher CPUs. --- Regards, Harald From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 12:24:38 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA11502 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA41921 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:24:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA64654 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:24:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from mdaxp2.umassd.edu (MDAxp2.UMassD.Edu [134.88.120.67]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA05155 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:24:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu by umassd.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #22746) with ESMTP id <01JA10T52A6I8X15T2@umassd.edu> for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:23:59 EST Received: from matthias by us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10XVGn-00030a-00; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:24:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:24:21 -0400 From: Matthias Kleinschmidt Subject: Re: NTools ENewsFlash -- Report: NT 3.5x Faster Than Linux In-reply-to: <199904141820.LAA81406@oz.engr.sgi.com>; from Ariel Faigon on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 11:20:47AM -0700 To: SGI/Linux mailing list Message-id: <19990414152421.A10908@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Mail-Followup-To: SGI/Linux mailing list References: <199904141820.LAA81406@oz.engr.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1647 Lines: 52 --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 11:20:47AM -0700, Ariel Faigon wrote: > [I'm forwarding a message that bounced. Just thought some people > may be interested. To add to what Eric wrote, another thing that > I find strange is that they are comparing NT 3.5 rather than the > latest NT 4.x to Linux. I also believe some of the results > are missing crucial details, like how the two very different > web servers were configured (e.g. standalone vs from inetd, > ssi turned on etc.) who paid for the report, full disclosures... > -- Ariel] I think that this is not the right list to discuss this strange report=20 but anyhow a few comments: - The report was sponsored by Microsoft as you can read here:=20 http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/nts4rhlinux.html#mccert - Mindcraft compared Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 and Novell NetWare 5 in January. Here you can find Novells response: http://www.novell.com/advantage/nw5/nw5-mindcraftcheck.html Matthias --=20 Matthias Kleinschmidt Cedar Dell 568B, Box 5398 UMass Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Rd. North Dartmouth, MA 02747 Tel.: +1 508 910 6851 email: matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNxTrZcXMHXe35ITFAQEdGgP/V/xv4p5xmJbjsFr0s8ochspSj1pYxRpr 8X9gwe/lcMEVA4/AneHAgVuT969FpeA/JtYkDwjsYbEiXVQOh0mPzdffMqcPvdbT FfyW+zRpEeiWn5GgveTsmnNUeVwMlH9AxeeY7ETG1XYB0mdQ7ACvHhkt1JeJg7Td 3aMS07eey7U= =gMmP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 12:22:12 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA11380 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA05101 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:21:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA99567; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:16:42 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA03273; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (lightning.swansea.uk.linux.org [194.168.151.1]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA01645; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:16:21 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m10XVyR-0007TvC; Wed, 14 Apr 99 21:09 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: NTools ENewsFlash -- Report: NT 3.5x Faster Than Linux To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:09:26 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199904141820.LAA81406@oz.engr.sgi.com> from "Ariel Faigon" at Apr 14, 99 11:20:47 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 490 Lines: 13 Oh they did a very professional hatchet job. But then these are the people who are responsible for a whole pile of such things. They picked a kernel carefully chosen to have an NT TCP performance interoperability bug. They mistuned the linux box completely. They claim to have checked on the net but mindscape never touched the linux.org.uk web site since 1998 etc. Whats very funny of course is Microsoft's Halloween II document is one of the many things that contradicts this survey From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 14:59:08 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA37476 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA65053 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:57:18 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA31112 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:57:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (sgi.com!rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id OAA09907 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:57:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (rachael.franken.de!hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for cthulhu.engr.sgi.com!linux; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:09:54 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m10XXef-002PNjC; Wed, 14 Apr 99 23:57 MET DST Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA03230; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:15:50 +0200 Message-ID: <19990414231550.A3227@alpha.franken.de> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:15:50 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: Alex deVries , SGI Linux Subject: Re: Errors building... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:03:19AM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 466 Lines: 12 On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:03:19AM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > And so here I am, dutifully reporting this bug. what egcs/binutils are you using ? I can't reproduce it here with a selfbuild egcs 1.0.2 and bintutils 2.8.1 from Rough Cuts. Thomas. -- This device has completely bogus header. Compaq scores again :-| It's a host bridge, but it should be called ghost bridge instead ;^) [Martin `MJ' Mares on linux-kernel] From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 15:26:48 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA45406 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA41911 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:25:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA97947 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:25:31 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ghenriksen@acm.org) Received: from hopper.acs.ryerson.ca (hopper.acs.ryerson.ca [141.117.101.8]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA03550 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:25:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ghenriksen@acm.org) Received: from s46-64.resnet.ryerson.ca (s46-64.resnet.ryerson.ca [141.117.46.64]) by hopper.acs.ryerson.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0/SP2) with SMTP id SAA311198 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:30:41 -0400 From: ghenriksen@acm.org (Gerald Henriksen) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Subject: Re: NTools ENewsFlash -- Report: NT 3.5x Faster Than Linux Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:24:33 GMT Message-ID: <371613c9.533557@hopper.acs.ryerson.ca> References: <199904141820.LAA81406@oz.engr.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: <199904141820.LAA81406@oz.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1557 Lines: 35 On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:20:47 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >[I'm forwarding a message that bounced. Just thought some people > may be interested. To add to what Eric wrote, another thing that > I find strange is that they are comparing NT 3.5 rather than the > latest NT 4.x to Linux. I also believe some of the results > are missing crucial details, like how the two very different > web servers were configured (e.g. standalone vs from inetd, > ssi turned on etc.) who paid for the report, full disclosures... > -- Ariel] A couple of clarifications (more info can be found by checking out Slashdot, which carried the story Tuesday and at this point has over 700 comments) 1) they used NT Server 4 2) Microsoft paid for the testing (says so on the page that reports the results) 3) they did compile a Linux kernel as they had to update Red Hat 5.2 to the 2.2.2 kernel, and they also mention the 3 changes they made to the kernel config. They didn't however do much to optimize Linux 4) someone even dug up the message they posted asking for help, but they ignored at leat the response that told them to forget wasting 4 CPUs on a web server. Note that they also goofed in their plea for help, claiming that they were using Apache 2.* which doesn't exist. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gerald Henriksen gerald@rose.com 4th Year Computer Science ghenriksen@acm.org Ryerson Polytechnic University ghenriks@scs.ryerson.ca From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 15:49:32 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA47308 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA56182 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:48:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA66395 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:48:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (clepple@foo.tho.org) Received: from foo.tho.org (pr250.pheasantrun.net [208.140.225.250]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id PAA05659 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:48:12 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (clepple@foo.tho.org) Received: from foo.tho.org (clepple@sprocket.foo.tho.org [206.223.45.3]) by foo.tho.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA11020 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:48:10 -0400 Message-ID: <37151B2A.C230B4A4@foo.tho.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:48:10 +0000 From: Charles Lepple X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linux/SGI list Subject: installation problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1912 Lines: 40 After successfully (though not uneventfully ;-) installing HardHat on an Indy/r5k, I am now faced with the quandry of installing to another nearly identical machine. The only difference is that the second machine's IRIX partitions were blown away when I tried to use fdisk (no, I didn't finish reading the installation instructions at this point...). All of the SGI employees out there are probably saying, "Reinstall IRIX", but (it's a long story) I'd rather do this the Linux way. Any suggestions? I looked at the prom man page, and I can get the box to boot the kernel with a 'setenv diskless y' and 'setenv OSLoader /var/boot/vmlinux' (and then some... I'm not in front of the machine at the moment). However, with the IRIX dhcp_bootp daemon, I can't seem to set the suggested nfs root partition, and now that sash is gone, I can't seem to get command line parameters to work anymore (vmlinux is the OSLoader, and it's not doing the sash thing), and hence, the kernel won't boot. Since I have the other machine up and running, is it possible to 'clone' the disk with dd? Or will it not catch all of the disk label header stuff needed to recognize partitions? Also, on the working machine, is there a better way to boot it than telling it to 'boot bootp():vmlinux' each time? Again, working with one disk per machine, IRIX is gone (but I didn't blow sash away on this one). If this means that we need some tools to write to the disk headers (ie, a SGI-aware fdisk, or something to put files into the disk label directory (similar to the way sash and ide are stored)), I'd be interested in talking to someone who can get to the information necessary to do this. (I'm still looking at booting from a CD, but since most of the working CD-ROM drives are in use, that may wait.) -- Charles Lepple System Administrator, Virginia Tech EE Workstation Labs clepple@ee.vt.edu || http://www.foo.tho.org/charles/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 18:21:41 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA84313 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA26003 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:20:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.40.90]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA62155; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:20:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA06008; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:20:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:20:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199904150120.SAA06008@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: Charles Lepple Cc: Linux/SGI list Subject: Re: installation problem In-Reply-To: <37151B2A.C230B4A4@foo.tho.org> References: <37151B2A.C230B4A4@foo.tho.org> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1766 Lines: 43 Charles Lepple writes: > After successfully (though not uneventfully ;-) installing HardHat on an > Indy/r5k, I am now faced with the quandry of installing to another > nearly identical machine. The only difference is that the second > machine's IRIX partitions were blown away when I tried to use fdisk (no, > I didn't finish reading the installation instructions at this point...). > > All of the SGI employees out there are probably saying, "Reinstall > IRIX", but (it's a long story) I'd rather do this the Linux way. Any > suggestions? I looked at the prom man page, and I can get the box to > boot the kernel with a 'setenv diskless y' and 'setenv OSLoader > /var/boot/vmlinux' (and then some... I'm not in front of the machine at > the moment). However, with the IRIX dhcp_bootp daemon, I can't seem to > set the suggested nfs root partition, and now that sash is gone, I can't > seem to get command line parameters to work anymore (vmlinux is the > OSLoader, and it's not doing the sash thing), and hence, the kernel > won't boot. Try boot -f bootp()boothost:vmlinux xxx yyy where boothost is the host from which you want ot boot, and xxx and yyy are your vmlinux options. The "-f" avoids using OSLoader. ... > Also, on the working machine, is there a better way to boot it than > telling it to 'boot bootp():vmlinux' each time? Again, working with one > disk per machine, IRIX is gone (but I didn't blow sash away on this > one). You should be able to do something like: setenv -p OSLoadPartition bootp() setenv -p OSLoadFilename :vmlinux setenv -p OSLoadOptions auto setenv -p AutoLoad Y Without the system partition, you might be able to do setenv -p SystemPartition bootp() setenv -p OSLoader :vmlinux From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 18:39:11 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA86089 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA14767 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:38:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA52944 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:38:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id SAA03444 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:37:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA31437; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:37:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:37:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Thomas Bogendoerfer cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Errors building... In-Reply-To: <19990414231550.A3227@alpha.franken.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 191 Lines: 9 Somehow my egcs was corrupt, so I reinstalled it and life is much better. - Alex "back in the game" deVries -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. Linux on HP PA RISC. The final frontier. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 18:39:11 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA86242 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id SAA64025 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:38:42 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id SAA77990 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:38:41 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id SAA01913 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:38:39 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA31514 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:39:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: SGI Linux Subject: glibc 2.1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 209 Lines: 10 Has anyone started work on glibc 2.1 for mips{eb|el}? I'd like to start on a port of Red Hat 6.0 ofor mipseb and mipsel. - A -- Alex deVries, puffin on LinuxNet. Linux on HP PA RISC. The final frontier. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 20:10:37 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA92769 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA73611 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:09:37 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de ([150.166.40.201]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA07366; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:09:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA01128; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:09:04 -0700 Message-ID: <19990414200859.A1088@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:08:59 -0700 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Alex deVries , Thomas Bogendoerfer Cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: Errors building... References: <19990414231550.A3227@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 09:37:50PM -0400 X-Accept-Language: de,en,fr Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 343 Lines: 9 On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 09:37:50PM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > Somehow my egcs was corrupt, so I reinstalled it and life is much better. Not corrupt. The problem is that the compiler options -msplit-addresses results in code that cannot be assembled when the compiler is being built with HAIFA enabled. Newer releases fixed that. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 21:21:36 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA96223 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA04172 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:20:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA20627 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:20:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (clepple@foo.tho.org) Received: from foo.tho.org (pr250.pheasantrun.net [208.140.225.250]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id VAA00244 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:20:06 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (clepple@foo.tho.org) Received: from foo.tho.org (clepple@sprocket.foo.tho.org [206.223.45.3]) by foo.tho.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA11388 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:20:05 -0400 Message-ID: <371568F3.FA1E916A@foo.tho.org> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:20:04 +0000 From: Charles Lepple X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: kernel compilation problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 773 Lines: 27 While configuring the kernel (2.2.5 from ftp.kernel.org), I get the following message: Sound card support (CONFIG_SOUND) [N/y/m/?] >scripts/Configure: drivers/sgi/char/Config.in: No such file or directory * * Kernel hacking Then, while executing 'make dep', I see a bunch of messages about 'SOCK_DGRAM' being redefined. And when I try 'make zImage', it bombs compiling init/main.c -- there's a "parse error" in linux/sched.h, and lots of stuff breaks. I have the compile log if anyone can decipher it, but is this just a simple case of me overlooking a patch? Or where can I find a preconfigured kernel source tree? Thanks in advance, -- Charles Lepple System Administrator, Virginia Tech EE Workstation Labs clepple@ee.vt.edu || http://www.foo.tho.org/charles/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 21:52:27 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA97642 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA26228 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:52:14 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgindia.newdelhi.sgi.com (newdelhi.sgi.com [134.14.90.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA98860 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:52:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (raju@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com) Received: from bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com (bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com [134.14.90.52]) by sgindia.newdelhi.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA55368; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:21:07 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29900; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:06:40 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:06:40 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <199904150436.KAA29900@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> From: Raj Mathur To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Cc: torbjorn.gannholm@fra.se (Torbjorn Gannholm), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port In-Reply-To: References: <3714623B.71134314@fra.se> X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under 20.2 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 442 Lines: 13 >>>>> "Alan" == Alan Cox writes: >> How far could you go in making an X-compatible interface for >> another window-handler? (like copyrightwise) For most apps it >> might be enough (but a lot of work) to make some toolkit= s >> work with another base. Alan> No thanks. The only no X interface Im interested in is for Alan> PDAs You mean your PalmPilot doesn't run KDE??!? *Ducking* Raju From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 21:39:23 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA97074 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA27810 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:38:20 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de ([150.166.40.201]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA26667; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01592; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:37:58 -0700 Message-ID: <19990414213758.D1174@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:37:58 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle To: Charles Lepple , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: kernel compilation problem References: <371568F3.FA1E916A@foo.tho.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <371568F3.FA1E916A@foo.tho.org>; from Charles Lepple on Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 04:20:04AM +0000 X-Accept-Language: de,en,fr Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 528 Lines: 14 On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 04:20:04AM +0000, Charles Lepple wrote: > Then, while executing 'make dep', I see a bunch of messages about > 'SOCK_DGRAM' being redefined. > > And when I try 'make zImage', it bombs compiling init/main.c -- there's > a "parse error" in linux/sched.h, and lots of stuff breaks. I have the > compile log if anyone can decipher it, but is this just a simple case of > me overlooking a patch? Or where can I find a preconfigured kernel > source tree? Get the kernel from {ftp,www}.linux.sgi.com. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 21:48:58 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA97441 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA45070 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:48:11 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA51056 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:48:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from mdaxp2.umassd.edu (MDAxp2.UMassD.Edu [134.88.120.67]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id VAA01631 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:48:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu by umassd.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #22746) with ESMTP id <01JA1KIJ37P48YAOXO@umassd.edu> for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:48:05 EST Received: from matthias by us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10Xe4i-0000jY-00; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:48:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:48:28 -0400 From: Matthias Kleinschmidt Subject: Re: kernel compilation problem In-reply-to: <371568F3.FA1E916A@foo.tho.org>; from Charles Lepple on Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 04:20:04AM +0000 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Message-id: <19990415004828.A2772@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary="J/dobhs11T7y2rNN" Mail-Followup-To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com References: <371568F3.FA1E916A@foo.tho.org> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1218 Lines: 50 --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 04:20:04AM +0000, Charles Lepple wrote: > While configuring the kernel (2.2.5 from ftp.kernel.org), I get the > following message: You have to get the kernel from cvs: export CVSROOT=3D":pserver:cvs@linus.linux.sgi.com:/cvs" cvs login (cvs as password) cvs -z3 checkout linux The config is a little tricky. Look at ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/vmlinux-indy-990212.conf as example > And when I try 'make zImage', it bombs compiling init/main.c "make zImage" doesn't work. Try "make vmlinux". Matthias --=20 Matthias Kleinschmidt Cedar Dell 568B, Box 5398 UMass Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Rd. North Dartmouth, MA 02747 Tel.: +1 508 910 6851 email: matthias@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNxVvm8XMHXe35ITFAQGwjAP/dgjb4KgSCwPj2dKVspadSJMOsWmCfYyj iINnEjxJVK10kIQghgo4hhAMicBi8bXnmdVhoqXh8fnZM41Sm7h7rD9cf+cOQcqI 6eTz2aLA56u+54F73WB0l6/o1uVoUXKoCBN8kh8j++pV+aMe1NTUkGVfN/Abxf/W 8JB54n0C3tE= =5Trj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN-- From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 14 22:22:49 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA99194 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA19203 for linux-list; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:21:26 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgindia.newdelhi.sgi.com (newdelhi.sgi.com [134.14.90.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA20515; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:21:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (raju@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com) Received: from bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com (bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com [134.14.90.52]) by sgindia.newdelhi.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA58763; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:50:29 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00108; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:36:04 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:36:04 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <199904150506.KAA00108@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> From: Raj Mathur To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Subject: NTools ENewsFlash -- Report: NT 3.5x Faster Than Linux In-Reply-To: <199904141820.LAA81406@oz.engr.sgi.com> References: <199904141820.LAA81406@oz.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under 20.2 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 7951 Lines: 136 >>>>> "Ariel" == Ariel Faigon writes: Ariel> [I'm forwarding a message that bounced. Just thought some Ariel> people may be interested. To add to what Eric wrote, Ariel> another thing that I find strange is that they are Ariel> comparing NT 3.5 rather than the latest NT 4.x to Linux. I Ariel> also believe some of the results are missing crucial Ariel> details, like how the two very different web servers were Ariel> configured (e.g. standalone vs from inetd, ssi turned on Ariel> etc.) who paid for the report, full disclosures... -- Ariel> Ariel] >From http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/nts4rhlinux.html [About 3/4th way down the report] Mindcraft, Inc. conducted the performance tests described in this report between March 10 and March 13, 1999. Microsoft Corporation sponsored the testing reported herein. [Lookee who paid for it! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^] Mindcraft certifies that the results reported accurately represent the file-server performance of Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 and Red Hat Linux 5.2 upgraded to the Linux 2.2.2 kernel with Samba 2.0.1 running on a Dell PowerEdge 6300/400 as measured by NetBench 5.01. Also, we certify that the Web-server performance reported for Windows NT Server 4.0 with IIS 4 and for Red Hat Linux 5.2 upgraded to the Linux 2.2.2 kernel with Apache 1.3.4 accurately represent the WebBench 2.0 measurements we made on a Dell PowerEdge 6300/400. Our test results should be reproducible by others using the same test lab configuration, the same Dell computer, and the software configurations and modifications documented in this report. [End snippet] Ariel> April 14, 1999 : :Hi All, : :As most of you know, when some Ariel> important news hits the :wires we will inform you Ariel> immediately. This morning I :found something in my in-box Ariel> that will definitely throw :some more gasoline on the Ariel> raging 'NT vs Linux' fire. : :I quickly read through the Ariel> report and could not find :anything wrong with it at first Ariel> observation. The numbers :seem to be correct, as they are Ariel> using an industry standard :benchmark that I have used Ariel> myself as well, the ZD bench. : :Oh, before I forget, Ariel> Novell actually wrote a rebuttal :against that last report Ariel> that SMS is better than ZEN. :Interesting reading, and Ariel> this gives the Novell POV: Ariel> :http://www.novell.com/products/nds/zenworks/ms2.html : Ariel> :But here comes today's bomb in the NT vs Linux battle. Ariel> :One wonders who pays for these tests but I will ask the Ariel> :CEO of MindCraft and report on that in the next coming Ariel> :newsletter. Here goes! : : :LOS GATOS, Calif., April Ariel> 13. Today, Mindcraft released the results :of a study Ariel> comparing the performance of Red Hat Linux 5.2 (updated :to Ariel> the Linux 2.2.2 kernel) and Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Ariel> :operating systems. According to the report, Windows NT Ariel> Server :provides over three and a half times the Ariel> performance of Linux as a :Web server. Furthermore, the Ariel> report shows that when testing Windows :NT Server and Linux Ariel> as file servers, Windows NT Server provides over :two and a Ariel> half times the performance of Linux. The full report, Ariel> :including all of the details needed to reproduce the Ariel> tests, is on :Mindcraft's Web site at: : Ariel> :http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/nts4rhlinux.html. : Ariel> :Using benchmarks from Ziff-Davis Benchmark Operation Ariel> (ZDBOp), the :report compares the peak performance levels Ariel> of both Windows NT :Server and Linux configured both as a Ariel> file server and a Web server. : :All tests were performed Ariel> on a standard Dell PowerEdge 6300/400 server :with four Ariel> 400-MHz Xeon CPUs, 1GB RAM (960MB for Linux -- this is the Ariel> :default maximum amount of RAM that Linux supports). To Ariel> simulate a :client load, Mindcraft used 144 physical client Ariel> test systems; half :were running Windows 95 and the other Ariel> half were running Windows 98. : :Both Linux and Windows NT Ariel> Server were tuned to perform optimally under :each of the Ariel> two workloads. "We started the tests using standard Red Ariel> Hat :Linux 5.2 but had to update it because it does not Ariel> support hardware RAID :controllers and SMP at the same Ariel> time," said Mindcraft's president, Bruce :Weiner. "Linux Ariel> definitely takes more time and resources to tune and to Ariel> :configure than Windows NT Server. You have to search the Ariel> Net to find the :latest kernel and driver versions to get Ariel> the highest performance and most :reliable modules. Then Ariel> when you're done, Linux fails to deliver the same :level of Ariel> performance as Windows NT Server on enterprise-class Ariel> servers." : :Mindcraft's report shows that using ZDBOp's Ariel> WebBench 2.0 Web server :benchmark, Windows NT Server and Ariel> Internet Information Server (IIS) 4.0 :reach a peak of Ariel> 3,771 requests/second and 22.4 Megabits/second(Mbps) of Ariel> :throughput. The report goes on to show that Linux and the Ariel> Apache 1.3.4 :Web server reach a peak of 1,000 Ariel> request/second and 5.9 Mbps of :throughput. The WebBench Ariel> 2.0 tests also revealed that there are problems :with Ariel> Linux/Apache at high client loads. "The Linux/Apache Web Ariel> server :performance collapsed with a WebBench load above Ariel> 160 client test threads, :while Windows NT Server/IIS Ariel> continued to increase performance up through :288 client Ariel> test threads without reaching their peak performance," adds Ariel> :Mindcraft's Bruce Weiner. : :To simulate a file server Ariel> workload, Mindcraft used ZDBOp's NetBench :5.01 benchmark. Ariel> The testing revealed that Windows NT Server performance Ariel> :peaked at 286.7 Mbps with 112 clients, while Linux running Ariel> Samba 2.0.1 :peaked at 114.6 Mbps with only 48 clients. Ariel> "The integration of the SMB :file sharing protocol with the Ariel> multi-processor kernel is a key performance :win for Ariel> Windows NT Server," said Weiner. "Customers benefit every Ariel> day from :the superior scalability of Windows NT Server, Ariel> which delivers vital file :and web services at two to three Ariel> times the performance of Linux as shown :in these Ariel> benchmarks," said Edmund Muth, Group Product Manager, Ariel> Microsoft :Corporation. "Empirical data like this helps Ariel> customers and planners make :informed decisions, and Ariel> showcases the industrial strength technology and :mature Ariel> engineering of the Windows NT Server operating system." : Ariel> :About Mindcraft : :Mindcraft is a service-oriented, Ariel> independent test lab. The company was :founded in 1985 to Ariel> provide high quality services and products to vendors :and Ariel> end users who want to test software, system, and network Ariel> products. :Mindcraft is committed to work to promote Ariel> standards in our industry. :Mindcraft is the only test lab Ariel> to be a member of the Standard Performance :Evaluation Ariel> Corporation (SPEC). Ariel> :-------------------------------------- : :That's all for Ariel> this NewsFlash! : :Warm regards, : :Stu : : :[eak@sgi.com] Ariel> This is a posting from the :nt-list, To unsubscribe, send a Ariel> blank email :to Ariel> leave-nt-list-265937F@lyris.sunbelt-software.com :For Ariel> killer servers at unbelievable prices check out: Ariel> :http://www.dell.com/outlet/sunbelt.htm : : Ariel> -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 15 00:11:02 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA04769 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA23866 for linux-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:09:51 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA06873 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:09:50 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: from ruvild.bun.falkenberg.se ([194.236.80.7]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id AAA02524 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:09:46 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ulfc@bun.falkenberg.se) Received: by bun.falkenberg.se via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:10:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:10:41 +0200 From: Ulf Carlsson To: Alex deVries Cc: SGI Linux Subject: Re: glibc 2.1 Message-ID: <19990415091041.A3402@ruvild.bun.falkenberg.se> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 09:39:02PM -0400 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 540 Lines: 14 Hi Alex, > Has anyone started work on glibc 2.1 for mips{eb|el}? I'd like to start > on a port of Red Hat 6.0 ofor mipseb and mipsel. I tried to do this some time ago, but I never finished it. I have heard that Ralf has done some work here, maybe he can share his work with us. I've tried to persuade him to do this before without any success. I'd like to have these patches as well so that I may continue working with the D word. :-) Well, if we can't get these patches I'd like to help you with the porting work for glibc 2.1. - Ulf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 15 04:57:36 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA19165 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id EAA93836 for linux-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:55:03 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgindia.newdelhi.sgi.com (newdelhi.sgi.com [134.14.90.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id EAA09797 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:54:58 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (raju@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com) Received: from bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com (bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com [134.14.90.52]) by sgindia.newdelhi.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA63215 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:24:07 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01448; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:08:54 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:08:54 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <199904151138.RAA01448@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> From: Raj Mathur To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: SGI Indy/Linux mini-HOWTO X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under 20.2 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 551 Lines: 18 Hi, I set down some of my experiences in getting Linux to boot on the Indy in the SGI Indy/Linux mini-HOWTO: http://reality.sgi.com/raju/SGI-Linux-mini-HOWTO.html Feedback welcome. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur / Web Technical Support / Silicon Graphics / New Delhi +91-124-349811 / raju@sgi.com / 551-7228 http://reality.sgi.com/raju / Not necessarily speaking PGP: F2 D4 4A 21 27 B0 63 FF | for Silicon Graphics. 15 97 9D AE 9D 40 BC B8 | It is the Mind that Moves From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 15 12:06:39 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA43772 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA71242 for linux-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:05:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA66038 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:04:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id MAA00368 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:04:58 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA32243; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:58:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:58:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199904151258.HAA32243@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: raju@sgi.com CC: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, torbjorn.gannholm@fra.se, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: <199904150436.KAA29900@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> (message from Raj Mathur on Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:06:40 +0530 (IST)) Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port X-Windows: The Cutting Edge of Obsolescence. References: <3714623B.71134314@fra.se> <199904150436.KAA29900@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 381 Lines: 13 > Alan> No thanks. The only no X interface Im interested in is for > Alan> PDAs > > You mean your PalmPilot doesn't run KDE??!? The windowing layer of GNOME is being ported to Yax, a slim windowing system for PDAs. You will need a CE class machine though. I would like to point out that you can run GNOME on OS/2 now, and a port to Windows is on the way :-) Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 15 08:08:44 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA24268 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id IAA79194 for linux-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:07:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA97835 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:07:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (aj@arthur.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA05296 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:07:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (aj@arthur.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from arthur.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id RAA18225; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:06:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from aj@arthur.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from aj by arthur.rhein-neckar.de with local (Exim 2.12 #3) id 10XnW7-0006jY-00; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:53:23 +0200 To: Ulf Carlsson Cc: Alex deVries , SGI Linux Subject: Re: glibc 2.1 References: <19990415091041.A3402@ruvild.bun.falkenberg.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Andreas Jaeger Date: 15 Apr 1999 16:53:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: Ulf Carlsson's message of "Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:10:41 +0200" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) XEmacs/21.0(beta66) (20 minutes to Nikko) Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1815 Lines: 39 >>>>> Ulf Carlsson writes: Ulf> Hi Alex, >> Has anyone started work on glibc 2.1 for mips{eb|el}? I'd like to start >> on a port of Red Hat 6.0 ofor mipseb and mipsel. Ulf> I tried to do this some time ago, but I never finished it. I have heard that Ulf> Ralf has done some work here, maybe he can share his work with us. I've tried Ulf> to persuade him to do this before without any success. I'd like to have these Ulf> patches as well so that I may continue working with the D word. :-) Ulf> Well, if we can't get these patches I'd like to help you with the porting work Ulf> for glibc 2.1. At the end of last year I tried to integrate Ralf's patches into glibc 2.1. A number of patches went into the glibc tree but some problems are still open. Ralf can certainly better comment this from the mips side, I'm just a glibc developer without access to any mips machine who used a cross compiler: - glibc 2.1 needs symbol versioning but there're no binutils for mips that support symbol versioning - there're some problems with the way glibc handles PIC which leads to problems on mips. - the system (mips) dependend part of the dynamic linker has to be updated. - some minor discrepancies between the kernel headers in the official kernel and the glibc headers. Ralf and I updated most (all?) but somebody should recheck this. IMO the first two problems to tackle is to get it running at all, meaning to fix the PIC problems (that's already planned by the glibc folks for 2.2) and the dynamic linker. Without symbol versioning you loose binary compatibility with older and newer versions of glibc. Therefore the binutils have to be fixed to use glibc 2.1. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@arthur.rhein-neckar.de jaeger@informatik.uni-kl.de for pgp-key finger ajaeger@aixd1.rhrk.uni-kl.de From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 15 10:37:44 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA36286 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA05360 for linux-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:36:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA62554 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:36:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (Harald.Koerfgen@home.ivm.de) Received: from aw.ivm.net (mail.ivm.net [195.78.161.2]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id KAA09394 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:36:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (Harald.Koerfgen@home.ivm.de) Received: from franz.no.dom (port52.koeln.ivm.de [195.247.239.52]) by aw.ivm.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06665; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:35:57 +0200 X-To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_=XFMail.1.3.p0.Linux:990415192036:195=_" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:38:39 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none From: Harald Koerfgen To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, SGI Linux Subject: DECstation patches Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 3897 Lines: 121 This message is in MIME format --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.Linux:990415192036:195=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Gang, some of you may have noticed that I started to commit some changes to the CVS Repository ;-). Well, I did my very best not to break anything and commited only those changes which are either harmless or wouldn't affect code for existing machines. My apologies if I *did* break something. The intention is to prepare a base of discussion for the not so harmless R3000 specific changes. Therefore I'd like to bring the CVS repository to a state where it works for R4xx0 based DECstations. There are, however, two patches left to accomplish that which might have ill side effects on other machines. One is relatively boring, consisting mainly of changes to Makefiles and Config.in to activate the whole stuff. If you are interested it can be downloaded via ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/dec-activate-patch.gz The second one is more interesting. On the DECstations some interrupts are directly handled by the CPU, not via some sort of interrupt multiplexer. With the current implementation of restore(flags) code like: save_and_cli(flags); enable_irq(irq); restore(flags); simply doesn't work on DECstations. The same is true for the RESTORE_SOME macro and r4xx0_resume(). My patch leaves the interrupt mask in CP0_STATUS intact in those places. In theory this should work on all machines but might trigger bugs which are undiscovered until now. I'll attach this patch and would appreciate if some you would test it on as much different MIPS boxes as possible. Thanks in advance. --- Regards, Harald --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.Linux:990415192036:195=_ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="r4k-patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: r4k-patch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=r4k-patch; SizeOnDisk=1918 diff -rubN development/clean/linux/arch/mips/kernel/r4k_switch.S linux/arch/mips /kernel/r4k_switch.S --- development/clean/linux/arch/mips/kernel/r4k_switch.S Tue Sep 22 22:12:47 19 98 +++ linux/arch/mips/kernel/r4k_switch.S Sun Apr 11 16:16:51 1999 @@ -41,8 +41,14 @@ CPU_RESTORE_NONSCRATCH($28) addiu t0, $28, KERNEL_STACK_SIZE-32 sw t0, kernelsp - lw a3, TASK_MM($28) + mfc0 t1, CP0_STATUS /* Do we really need this? */ + li a3, 0xff00 + and t1, a3 lw a2, THREAD_STATUS($28) + nor a3, $0, a3 + and a2, a3 + lw a3, TASK_MM($28) + or a2, t1 lw a3, MM_CONTEXT(a3) mtc0 a2, CP0_STATUS andi a3, a3, 0xff diff -rubN development/clean/linux/include/asm-mips/stackframe.h linux/include/a sm-mips/stackframe.h --- development/clean/linux/include/asm-mips/stackframe.h Wed Sep 23 23:05:55 19 98 +++ linux/include/asm-mips/stackframe.h Sun Apr 11 16:16:52 1999 @@ -139,7 +139,12 @@ ori t0, 0x1f; \ xori t0, 0x1f; \ mtc0 t0, CP0_STATUS; \ + li v1, 0xff00; \ + and t0, v1; \ lw v0, PT_STATUS(sp); \ + nor v1, $0, v1; \ + and v0, v1; \ + or v0, t0; \ mtc0 v0, CP0_STATUS; \ lw v1, PT_EPC(sp); \ mtc0 v1, CP0_EPC; \ diff -rubN development/clean/linux/include/asm-mips/system.h linux/include/asm-m ips/system.h --- development/clean/linux/include/asm-mips/system.h Mon Feb 15 11:51:25 1999 +++ linux/include/asm-mips/system.h Sun Apr 11 16:16:52 1999 @@ -88,6 +88,12 @@ { __asm__ __volatile__( ".set\tnoreorder\n\t" + "mfc0\t$8,$12\n\t" + "li\t$9,0xff00\n\t" + "and\t$8,$9\n\t" + "nor\t$9,$0,$9\n\t" + "and\t%0,$9\n\t" + "or\t%0,$8\n\t" "mtc0\t%0,$12\n\t" "nop\n\t" "nop\n\t" @@ -95,7 +101,7 @@ ".set\treorder" : /* no output */ : "r" (flags) - : "memory"); + : "$8", "$9", "memory"); } /* --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.Linux:990415192036:195=_-- End of MIME message From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 15 17:38:17 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA11519 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA72600 for linux-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:37:07 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA41314 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:37:04 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id RAA04872 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:37:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA06662; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:38:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:38:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199904151838.NAA06662@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk CC: raju@sgi.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, torbjorn.gannholm@fra.se, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-reply-to: (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port X-Windows: Putting new limits on productivity. References: Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 241 Lines: 8 > What size/state is YAX in. Should I shoot the Mini-X work and look at Yax > for the psion5 ? Do not know what is the progress so far. I talked to them two months ago and last I heard they were coding the font support into yax. Miguel. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 15 15:09:23 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA93916 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA56332 for linux-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:08:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de ([150.166.40.201]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA08168; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:07:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04427; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:07:18 -0700 Message-ID: <19990415150718.B524@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:07:18 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle To: Andreas Jaeger , Ulf Carlsson Cc: Alex deVries , SGI Linux Subject: Re: glibc 2.1 References: <19990415091041.A3402@ruvild.bun.falkenberg.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Andreas Jaeger on Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 04:53:21PM +0200 X-Accept-Language: de,en,fr Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1902 Lines: 45 On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 04:53:21PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > At the end of last year I tried to integrate Ralf's patches into > glibc 2.1. A number of patches went into the glibc tree but some > problems are still open. Ralf can certainly better comment this from > the mips side, I'm just a glibc developer without access to any mips > machine who used a cross compiler: > - glibc 2.1 needs symbol versioning but there're no binutils for mips > that support symbol versioning > - there're some problems with the way glibc handles PIC which leads to > problems on mips. Fixed in my patches. > - the system (mips) dependend part of the dynamic linker has to be > updated. Done in my patches modulo debugging. I've fixed several problems in H.J. Lu's binutils 2.9.1.0.15. Symbol version is still not working and building GNU libc still results in amazing amounts of assertion messages in bfd/elf32-mips.c; building kernels is broken as well. > - some minor discrepancies between the kernel headers in the official > kernel and the glibc headers. Ralf and I updated most (all?) but > somebody should recheck this. > > IMO the first two problems to tackle is to get it running at all, > meaning to fix the PIC problems (that's already planned by the glibc > folks for 2.2) and the dynamic linker. Without symbol versioning you > loose binary compatibility with older and newer versions of glibc. > Therefore the binutils have to be fixed to use glibc 2.1. While that is correct for a production version we probably can temporarily bump the major version number for development purposes and work on both binutils and GNU binutils in parallel. The latest versions I've worked on are GNU libc version 2.0.109 and binutils 2.9.1.0.15. I've put my patches on linus.linux.sgi.com into /pub/linux/mips/test/{binutils-2.9.1.0.15.diff.gz,glibc-2.0.109.diff.gz}. Have fun ;-) Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 15 16:29:44 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA04503 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA47962 for linux-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:28:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA01123 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:28:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id QAA01625 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:28:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) Received: from the-village.bc.nu (lightning.swansea.uk.linux.org [194.168.151.1]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA02012; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:27:43 +0100 Received: by the-village.bc.nu (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m10XwNE-0007TvC; Fri, 16 Apr 99 01:20 BST Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Resources in X11 port To: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx (Miguel de Icaza) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:20:47 +0100 (BST) Cc: raju@sgi.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, torbjorn.gannholm@fra.se, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <199904151258.HAA32243@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> from "Miguel de Icaza" at Apr 15, 99 07:58:23 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 336 Lines: 9 > The windowing layer of GNOME is being ported to Yax, a slim windowing > system for PDAs. You will need a CE class machine though. > > I would like to point out that you can run GNOME on OS/2 now, and a > port to Windows is on the way :-) What size/state is YAX in. Should I shoot the Mini-X work and look at Yax for the psion5 ? From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 15 19:46:06 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA21406 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA75096 for linux-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:45:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from rock.csd.sgi.com (fddi-rock.csd.sgi.com [150.166.9.10]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA94958 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:44:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from hokkie.csd.sgi.com (hokkie.csd.sgi.com [150.166.1.57]) by rock.csd.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA45022; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:44:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (eak@detroit.sgi.com) Received: from detroit.sgi.com by hokkie.csd.sgi.com via ESMTP (980427.SGI.8.8.8/910605.CSDSGI) id TAA06914; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3716A432.18C94BD1@detroit.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:45:06 -0700 From: Eric Kimminau Reply-To: eak@sgi.com Organization: Electronic Support Tools X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MDLUG , mdlug@detroit.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux: A Footnote in Computing History or a Commercial Success Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 406 Lines: 8 http://www.idc.com/telb/spurs/sld001.htm -- ---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7 Eric Kimminau eak@sgi.com Electronic Support Tools Voice: (248) 848-4455 VNet: 6-327-4455 "I speak my mind and no one else's." 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If you see me running, try to keep up..." http://support.sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 15 22:49:12 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA30867 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id WAA61714 for linux-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:48:05 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgindia.newdelhi.sgi.com (newdelhi.sgi.com [134.14.90.2]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id WAA45944 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:48:00 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (raju@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com) Received: from bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com (bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com [134.14.90.52]) by sgindia.newdelhi.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA68899 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:17:10 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04553; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:01:55 +0530 (IST) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:01:55 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <199904160531.LAA04553@bhairavi.newdelhi.sgi.com> From: Raj Mathur To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: ZDNet's rebuttal of MS' NT beats Linux story X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under 20.2 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@sgi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 417 Lines: 9 http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2242246,00.html -- Raju -- Raj Mathur / Web Technical Support / Silicon Graphics / New Delhi +91-124-349811 / raju@sgi.com / 551-7228 http://reality.sgi.com/raju / Not necessarily speaking PGP: F2 D4 4A 21 27 B0 63 FF | for Silicon Graphics. 15 97 9D AE 9D 40 BC B8 | It is the Mind that Moves From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 16 13:03:52 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA18805 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA80592 for linux-list; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:01:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA95846 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:00:59 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (clepple@foo.tho.org) Received: from foo.tho.org (pr250.pheasantrun.net [208.140.225.250]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA03685 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:00:54 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (clepple@foo.tho.org) Received: from tool.foo.tho.org (clepple@tool.foo.tho.org [206.223.45.1]) by foo.tho.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA13269 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:00:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:00:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Lepple To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Boot problems with locally compiled kernel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 709 Lines: 21 Now that I can finally get the kernel compile to finish, I end up with a message similar to the folowing after the kernel is loaded (it's still in the textport): Exception: Status register: 0x30004803 ... This is an R5k machine, and I've tried both the r4x00 and r5000 options, in addition to converting the kernel to ECOFF (with the program in arch/mips/boot). This is a CVS tree from yesterday or so -- any thoughts on this one? (I checked the old archives -- sorry if this is a FAQ and I just missed it). Thanks, -- Charles Lepple System Administrator, Virginia Tech EE Workstation Labs clepple@foo.tho.org || http://foo.tho.org/charles/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 16 13:51:28 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA22847 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA85038 for linux-list; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:50:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de ([150.166.40.201]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA51683; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:50:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA02788; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:50:00 -0700 Message-ID: <19990416135000.D592@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:50:00 -0700 From: Ralf Baechle To: Charles Lepple , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Boot problems with locally compiled kernel References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Charles Lepple on Fri, Apr 16, 1999 at 04:00:53PM -0400 X-Accept-Language: de,en,fr Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 745 Lines: 19 On Fri, Apr 16, 1999 at 04:00:53PM -0400, Charles Lepple wrote: > Now that I can finally get the kernel compile to finish, I end up with a > message similar to the folowing after the kernel is loaded (it's still in > the textport): > > Exception: > Status register: 0x30004803 > ... > > This is an R5k machine, and I've tried both the r4x00 and r5000 options, > in addition to converting the kernel to ECOFF (with the program in > arch/mips/boot). This is a CVS tree from yesterday or so -- any thoughts > on this one? (I checked the old archives -- sorry if this is a FAQ and I > just missed it). Remove the -N linker option from arch/mips/Makefile and run make again. Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Tue Apr 20 13:18:51 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA47102 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA59044 for linux-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:15:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgidal.dallas.sgi.com (sgidal.dallas.sgi.com [169.238.80.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA59036 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (chad@sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com by sgidal.dallas.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) for id PAA28145; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:15:28 -0500 Message-ID: <371CEEFE.B89234E5@sgi.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:17:55 -0800 From: Chad Carlin Reply-To: chad@sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Linux Showing Up In Supercomputers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 6358 Lines: 123 ------------------------------------- 2) Linux Showing Up In Supercomputers ------------------------------------- Therese Poletti SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Linux -- the renegade operating system that is among the hottest topics in Silicon Valley -- is also making its way into the most serious bastion of computing, the supercomputing world. Linux, developed by Finnish programmer Linus Torvalds in 1991, is given away over the Internet and managed by a far-flung group of programmers, part of what is known as the open source movement. Linux has been catching on among some corporations and Internet service providers as a reliable system to run Web servers or e-mail servers. Several high-performance computing centers, universities and government laboratories are also looking at Linux, inspired by its low cost, its development model of sharing software code and its closeness to Unix, the operating system typically preferred by engineers and serious computer designers. "Some of the supercomputing research community would like to start moving to Linux," said Irving Wladawsky-Berger, the general manager of IBM's Internet division and former head of the computer giant's supercomputing business. "In the high-end supercomputing world, everyone is a small community and that model (of open source software) is very appealing." Supercomputing represents a slow-growing $2.2 billion segment of the computer industry, where massive systems are now achieving speeds in excess of one teraflop: one trillion operations per second. They are used for scientific "grand challenges," such as weather forecasting, nuclear simulations, molecular modeling, and many other number-crunching intensive applications where machines can work on a problem for a week. While Linux is not yet running any of the ultrafast, teraflop-level machines, it is now being used by a few supercomputing centers in so-called clusters or superclusters. Scalable clustered systems are more powerful than a desktop workstation, but not quite as hefty as the multimillion-dollar supercomputers, the fastest computers in the world. Scalable means that they can add more processors, to improve performance or to add additional users. In 1994, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) pioneered the use of Linux for building extremely cheap clusters with a project called the Beowulf project, building very low-cost clusters with off-the-shelf computer parts. But these sprawling systems took up a lot of floor space and there was no computer maker to support the patched-together systems. So as funding is obtained, some of the high-performance computing centers are now buying cluster computers running Intel Pentium II processors -- the brains of a PC -- and the Linux operating system. Just last week, the Albuquerque High Performance Computing Center, located on the University of New Mexico campus, turned on a workstation supercluster system it calls Roadrunner, which basically consists of stacks of personal computer technology running multiple Intel Corp. Pentium II processors and Linux. Albuquerque bought its $400,000 system from a small, privately held company called Alta Technology Corp., based in Sandy, Utah, which develops clustered computer systems starting at $15,000, with either Intel processors or Digital's Alpha processor. Albuquerque's Roadrunner has 128 Intel Pentium II processors, running at speeds of 450 megahertz, similar to the massively parallel supercomputing systems which gang together multiple processors and distribute the work among the chips. "We are not trying to reinvent the supercomputer," said David Bader, an assistant professor of computer engineering at the University of New Mexico. "We hope to get maybe half the performance at 10 percent of the price." Albuquerque will be looking at environmental modeling, such as computing the climate in the Rio Grande corridor, and simulations on nuclear stockpiles under certain conditions and of accidents involving trucks carrying nuclear waste. And with Linux, Albuquerque's engineers will be able to share their work with other colleagues at other supercomputing centers, because Linux runs on Compaq Computer Corp. 's Digital Alpha processor, Sun Microsystems Inc. 's Sparc technology, IBM's PowerPC processor architecture and others. This will be especially useful for Roadrunner, which is the latest system to be connected to what is called the National Technology Grid, an emerging network that will link a broad range of supercomputers from Boston to Maui, so that scientists around the United States, far from the centers, can have access to vast computing power without having to leave their own desks. "Linux has already been ported to machines made by most of the major vendors, unifying the marketplace instead of fragmenting it," said Pete Beckman, a senior computer scientist at the Advanced Computing Laboratory at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in Los Alamos, N.M. "Laboratories from around the world can collaborate more easily, sharing and testing extensions and improvements made to or for Linux ... without being hampered by non-disclosure agreements and licensing restrictions (for vendor-controlled software)." Los Alamos is experimenting on several applications with its own Linux cluster system from Alta Tech, which it calls the Little Blue Penguin, installed about eight months ago. Some applications at Los Alamos include a computational accelerator, which models a linear accelerator with 200 million particles, and an ocean modeling code that is part of a global climate modeling project. Linux is competitive in many areas of high-performance computing, but there are several areas where it falls short, with missing components. For example, the Linux kernel -- the core of the operating system -- has not been optimized to run on large shared memory machines with eight to 128 processors. Beckman said, however, that there are either commercial or open source software development projects addressing Linux's shortfalls in high-performance computing. "What we are seeing here across all the national labs is really an unprecedented cooperation with Linux clustering," said Remy Evard, manager of advanced computing at Argonne National Laboratory, operated by the University of Chicago for the U.S. Department of Energy. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 22 14:19:17 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA06551 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA98561 for linux-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:15:27 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA89709 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:15:25 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (kuhns@abbatech.com) Received: from abbasvr1.abbatech.com (www.abbatech.com [38.184.81.2]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id RAA07489 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:15:23 -0400 (EDT) mail_from (kuhns@abbatech.com) Received: from abbasvr1.abbatech.com ([38.184.81.2]) by abbasvr1.abbatech.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAA6394 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:08:12 -0500 Message-ID: <371F81AC.3F54@abbatech.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:08:12 -0500 From: Victor Kuhns Organization: Abba Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX64 6.4 IP27) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: 320 Linux problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 966 Lines: 28 Hi Group, I dont think I've seen many people write questions about the 320 here? How many people have one? I have red hat loaded up on a second disk, followed the instructions, got the newest and greatest kernal, but cant get the system completely up and running. When prom loads up ext2load.exe on my floppy disk, it sees the kernal on the Hard drive, starts to load up but stops right after the parition check line and says: VFS: Cannot open root device 9a:e6 Kernal panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 9a:e6 USB-HUBM: Ran out of hub queuing slots [with 5] USB-HUBM: Ran out of hub queuing slots [with 5] USB-HUBM: Ran out of hub queuing slots [with 5] USB-HUBM: Ran out of hub queuing slots [with 5] USB-HUBM: Ran out of hub queuing slots [with 5] What did I do wrong? If I put the disk back in my ol pc it gets a "Unable to mount root on fs..." error too. It worked before, so I dont understand what happened. Can anybody help out? Regards, Victor From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 22 20:10:16 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA97097 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id UAA09670 for linux-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:07:55 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA10206 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:07:52 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (clepple@foo.tho.org) Received: from foo.tho.org (pr250.pheasantrun.net [208.140.225.250]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id XAA06060 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:07:51 -0400 (EDT) mail_from (clepple@foo.tho.org) Received: from foo.tho.org (clepple@sprocket.foo.tho.org [206.223.45.3]) by foo.tho.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA19796 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:07:49 -0400 Message-ID: <371FE405.2F817623@foo.tho.org> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 03:07:49 +0000 From: Charles Lepple X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linux/SGI Subject: am-utils and NIS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1862 Lines: 46 Anyone have any experience with either of these under Linux/SGI? In trying to rebuild the am-utils package to support NIS maps, I keep getting this situation -- happens each time I try it :-( [...] gcc -shared -Wl,-soname -Wl,libamu.so.1 -o .libs/libamu.so.1.0.1 misc_rpc.lo mount_fs.lo mtab.lo nfs_prot_xdr.lo util.lo wire.lo xdr_func.lo xutil.lo transputil.lo mtabutil.lo mountutil.lo umount_fs.lo collect2: ld terminated with signal 6 [Aborted] make[2]: *** [libamu.la] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/am-utils-6.0a16/libamu' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/am-utils-6.0a16' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 I'm building this from the SRPM, and I actually haven't done any modifications to it yet -- it's just the am-utils-6.0a16-1.src.rpm from ftp.linux.sgi.com. (built with 'rpm -bc am-utils.spec'). Oddly enough, it doesn't appear that NIS support was detected in the am-utils configure script (although the machine was bound to a domain at the time). I won't spam the entire build log to the list, but I have it if anyone has any leads on this and could benefit from it. I don't know how related this is, but while ypmatch-type calls work OK, ypcat generally returns errors like this: green:~$ ypcat group eegrad:*:4000:test eeugrad:*:6000: faculty:*:2000: staff:*:10:azam,harper,marchany,sysacct,clepple eestaff:*:3000:azam,harper,marchany,sysacct yp_all: clnt_call: RPC: Program not registered [above repeats 3 to 5 times, then terminates with...] No such map group.byname. Reason: RPC failure on NIS operation Sorry to bug you all about this -- I know that NIS probably isn't high on everyone's priority list... Thanks in advance, -- Charles Lepple System Administrator, Virginia Tech EE Workstation Labs clepple@ee.vt.edu || http://www.foo.tho.org/charles/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 23 10:35:35 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA33057 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA09757 for linux-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:31:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA11676 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:31:48 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA43957 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199904231731.KAA43957@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: am-utils and NIS (fwd) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1847 Lines: 52 [forwarding bounced message from ralf who changed addresses...] -- Peace, Ariel From: Ralf Baechle To: Charles Lepple , Linux/SGI Subject: Re: am-utils and NIS References: <371FE405.2F817623@foo.tho.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <371FE405.2F817623@foo.tho.org>; from Charles Lepple on Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 03:07:49AM +0000 X-Accept-Language: de,en,fr On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 03:07:49AM +0000, Charles Lepple wrote: > Anyone have any experience with either of these under Linux/SGI? In > trying to rebuild the am-utils package to support NIS maps, I keep > getting this situation -- happens each time I try it :-( > > [...] > gcc -shared -Wl,-soname -Wl,libamu.so.1 -o .libs/libamu.so.1.0.1 > misc_rpc.lo mount_fs.lo mtab.lo nfs_prot_xdr.lo util.lo wire.lo > xdr_func.lo xutil.lo transputil.lo mtabutil.lo mountutil.lo umount_fs.lo > collect2: ld terminated with signal 6 [Aborted] > make[2]: *** [libamu.la] Error 1 That is a known and already fixed bug in libbfd. Just get the newest version of binutils 2.8.1 from the Redhat 5.2 directory on ftp.linux.sgi.com. > I don't know how related this is, but while ypmatch-type calls work OK, > ypcat generally returns errors like this: > > green:~$ ypcat group > eegrad:*:4000:test > eeugrad:*:6000: > faculty:*:2000: > staff:*:10:azam,harper,marchany,sysacct,clepple > eestaff:*:3000:azam,harper,marchany,sysacct > yp_all: clnt_call: RPC: Program not registered > [above repeats 3 to 5 times, then terminates with...] > No such map group.byname. Reason: RPC failure on NIS operation > > Sorry to bug you all about this -- I know that NIS probably isn't high > on everyone's priority list... Can you send me the strace output of the failing command? Ralf From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 28 10:12:27 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA74420 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA19552 for linux-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:08:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA46052 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:08:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (cpezzee@microsoft.com) Received: from mail2.microsoft.com (mail2.microsoft.com [131.107.3.124]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA06210 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:08:19 -0400 (EDT) mail_from (cpezzee@microsoft.com) Received: by mail2.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) id ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:08:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: Chris Pezzee To: "'linux@engr.sgi.com'" Subject: using ec3 on a Challenge S Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:07:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 802 Lines: 24 The situation: I inherited 20+ SGI Challenge S machines that I would like to use for web test clients and/or DIPC personal projects. I would like to use the second Ethernet port (ec3 in Irix) for something other than dust collection. I've read the list-archive, and there was a brief mention of adding some probing code to the driver but that was all. What I'd like to know: Is anyone working on this right now? If not, I'd love to try to get this working, but I haven't done any driver work before, so where's a good place to start? Also, www.linux.sgi.com is refusing http connections for me, is anyone else having a problem with this? Thanks for everything. ---------------------- Chris Pezzee Work: (425-70)3-1616 cpezzee@microsoft.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 28 10:37:20 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA74610 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA99875 for linux-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:35:23 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA31185 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:35:19 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (matthias@us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu) Received: from us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu (US08-568B-1.res.UMassD.Edu [134.88.230.50]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA05782 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:35:18 -0400 (EDT) mail_from (matthias@us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu) Received: from matthias by us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10cYEm-0001ql-00; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:35:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:35:08 -0400 From: Matthias Kleinschmidt To: "'linux@engr.sgi.com'" Subject: www.linux.sgi.com Message-ID: <19990428133508.A7036@us08-568b-1.res.umassd.edu> Mail-Followup-To: "'linux@engr.sgi.com'" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Pezzee on Wed, Apr 28, 1999 at 10:07:50AM -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 363 Lines: 15 On Wed, Apr 28, 1999 at 10:07:50AM -0700, Chris Pezzee wrote: > Also, www.linux.sgi.com is refusing http connections for me, > is anyone else having a problem with this? Yes. And cvs does not work as well. Matthias -- Matthias Kleinschmidt Cedar Dell 568B, Box 5398 UMass Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Rd. North Dartmouth, MA 02747 email: mkleinschmidt@gmx.de From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 28 10:42:30 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA74758 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA85111 for linux-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:41:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA00771 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:41:33 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id NAA03164 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:41:32 -0400 (EDT) mail_from (adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA29453; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:42:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:42:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: Chris Pezzee cc: "'linux@engr.sgi.com'" Subject: Re: using ec3 on a Challenge S In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1082 Lines: 29 On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Chris Pezzee wrote: > The situation: > I inherited 20+ SGI Challenge S machines that I would like to use for > web test clients and/or DIPC personal projects. I would like to use > the second Ethernet port (ec3 in Irix) for something other than dust > collection. I've read the list-archive, and there was a brief mention > of adding some probing code to the driver but that was all. > > What I'd like to know: > Is anyone working on this right now? I'm reasonably sure that nobody has started. > If not, I'd love to try to get this working, but I haven't done any driver > work before, > so where's a good place to start? You should probably try to figure out where on the GIO64 that is located, it shouldn't be too difficult with some guidance from folks at SGI. What ethernet controller is on there exactly? At some point I was going to inherit such a card for my Indy (which would replace my Newport temporarily), but I never got the card, and have been busy with other things. I wouldn't mind looking at this though. - Alex From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 28 10:56:03 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA76462 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA95708 for linux-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:53:50 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from anchor.engr.sgi.com (anchor.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.42]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA19021; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from olson@localhost) by anchor.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA79893; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: olson@anchor.engr.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Message-Id: <199904281753.KAA79893@anchor.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: using ec3 on a Challenge S In-Reply-To: from Alex deVries at "Apr 28, 99 01:42:22 pm" To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: cpezzee@microsoft.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mt. View, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 967 Lines: 21 Alex deVries wrote: | You should probably try to figure out where on the GIO64 that is located, | it shouldn't be too difficult with some guidance from folks at SGI. What | ethernet controller is on there exactly? It's basicly the same ethernet setup as the IP20 (r4k Indigo). The driver is quite similar, but there are a few differences in features. The DMA is the IP20 dma (hpc1, not hpc3), but the ethernet chip is identical to the one on the indy/challenge S, just some features enabled by hpc3 aren't present. If you have an irix system, the HPC31 defines in hpc3.h provide most of the necessary info. On irix, it's actually shipped as a seperate binary driver from the onboard ethernet, because of the dma/control register differences. It would be possible to do it all in one driver, but we didn't bother. The source code for irix is the same for both, with a few ifdefs. Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics http://reality.sgi.com/olson olson@sgi.com From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 28 10:56:03 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA76456 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA14434 for linux-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:55:09 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA19085; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA07868; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:54:46 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199904281754.KAA07868@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: linus.linux.sgi.com status To: cpezzee@microsoft.com (Chris Pezzee) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Chris Pezzee" at Apr 28, 99 10:07:50 am Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 400 Lines: 15 Chris wrote: : :Also, www.linux.sgi.com is refusing http connections for me, :is anyone else having a problem with this? : Yes. We all having the same problem. The machine lost its data disk (where all the CVS, ftp, and web stuff is stored). It is back up now but that disk is not mounted... I reported the problem and hopefuly we'll get a fix soon. Sorry for all the trouble. -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Wed Apr 28 13:09:03 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA83470 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA89359 for linux-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:07:35 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA91348 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:07:34 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA08776 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199904282007.NAA08776@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: linux.sgi.com is up To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 285 Lines: 13 Hi All: Really sorry for the downtime. www.linux.sgi.com == ftp.linux.sgi.com == linus.linux.sgi.com is back on air now with all its content intact. There have been an update of the VisWs area for the interested: http://www.linux.sgi.com/intel/visws/howto.html -- Peace, Ariel From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Thu Apr 29 21:51:15 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA99717 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA73644 for linux-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:48:17 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA32446 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:48:15 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (clepple@foo.tho.org) Received: from foo.tho.org (pr250.pheasantrun.net [208.140.225.250]) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id AAA03382 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:48:09 -0400 (EDT) mail_from (clepple@foo.tho.org) Received: from foo.tho.org (clepple@sprocket.foo.tho.org [206.223.45.3]) by foo.tho.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA26228 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:48:08 -0400 Message-ID: <37293607.392B2C56@foo.tho.org> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:48:07 +0000 From: Charles Lepple X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linux/SGI Subject: Indigo2 port status? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 296 Lines: 9 Ok, so does anyone know what happened to the Indigo2 porting project? I tried to get in touch with someone at UAB but to no avail. Sorry to bother the rest of you... -- Charles Lepple System Administrator, Virginia Tech EE Workstation Labs clepple@ee.vt.edu || http://www.foo.tho.org/charles/ From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 30 01:54:15 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA12138 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id BAA11455 for linux-list; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:52:53 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id BAA86269 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:52:49 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (Harald.Koerfgen@home.ivm.de) Received: from aw.ivm.net (mail.ivm.net [195.78.161.2] (may be forged)) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id EAA08802 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:52:48 -0400 (EDT) mail_from (Harald.Koerfgen@home.ivm.de) Received: from franz.no.dom (port22.koeln.ivm.de [195.247.239.22]) by aw.ivm.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10718; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:52:38 +0200 X-To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:55:22 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none From: Harald Koerfgen To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, SGI Linux Subject: CP0_STATUS interrupt mask patch Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 417 Lines: 16 Hi Gang, two weeks ago I asked for comments on a patch which is essential for Linux on DECstations but may trigger undiscovered bugs on other machines. Well, I haven't got any feedback :-( On the other hand, nobody said "don't do this!" :-) If nobody stops me I am going to commit the patch I posted two weeks ago and see what happens B) --- Regards, Harald P.S.: Yes, I *do* have my asbestos suit within reach. From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Fri Apr 30 05:19:57 1999 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA22259 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id FAA37305 for linux-list; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:18:16 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgi.com (sgi.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.37]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id FAA24051 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:18:13 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.64.1] (may be forged)) by sgi.com (980327.SGI.8.8.8-aspam/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id IAA07890 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:18:09 -0400 (EDT) mail_from (ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de) Received: from lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (cacc-24.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.131.24]) by mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23329 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:17:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA06604; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:16:58 +0200 Message-ID: <19990430141658.D6213@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:16:58 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle To: Harald Koerfgen , linux-mips@fnet.fr, SGI Linux Subject: Re: CP0_STATUS interrupt mask patch References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Harald Koerfgen on Fri, Apr 30, 1999 at 10:55:22AM +0200 X-Accept-Language: de,en,fr Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 527 Lines: 17 On Fri, Apr 30, 1999 at 10:55:22AM +0200, Harald Koerfgen wrote: > two weeks ago I asked for comments on a patch which is essential for Linux > on DECstations but may trigger undiscovered bugs on other machines. > > Well, I haven't got any feedback :-( > > On the other hand, nobody said "don't do this!" :-) > > If nobody stops me I am going to commit the patch I posted two weeks ago > and see what happens B) > > P.S.: Yes, I *do* have my asbestos suit within reach. Not required, Real Penguins Stay Cool (TM). Ralf