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At 12:46 AM 5/28/99 +0200, Ralf Baechle wrote:
>The R5000 is supported and known to work.  You happen to have a
>second level cache on that board?

how convinced are people that the VR5000 is supported?  I'm running
the latest code off the linux.sgi.com cvs server and I'm getting *very*
weird page faulting problems when doing the kernel/user space 
hazard shuffle.  Its really hard to describe the problems as they are
not deterministic:  sometimes the right thing happens, other times 
I get restricted instruction exceptions...  Both of these can happen on
the very same kernel binary...

Which of the vec0 routines should be used on the VR5K?

...robert


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Robert Keller writes:
 > At 12:46 AM 5/28/99 +0200, Ralf Baechle wrote:
 > >The R5000 is supported and known to work.  You happen to have a
 > >second level cache on that board?
 > 
 > how convinced are people that the VR5000 is supported?  I'm running
 > the latest code off the linux.sgi.com cvs server and I'm getting *very*
 > weird page faulting problems when doing the kernel/user space 
 > hazard shuffle.  Its really hard to describe the problems as they are
 > not deterministic:  sometimes the right thing happens, other times 
 > I get restricted instruction exceptions...  Both of these can happen on
 > the very same kernel binary...

        What sort of system are you using, and what is the hardware configuration
(including caches)?  

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At 10:56 AM 6/2/99 -0700, William J. Earl wrote:
>Robert Keller writes:
> > At 12:46 AM 5/28/99 +0200, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> > >The R5000 is supported and known to work.  You happen to have a
> > >second level cache on that board?
> > 
> > how convinced are people that the VR5000 is supported?  I'm running
> > the latest code off the linux.sgi.com cvs server and I'm getting *very*
> > weird page faulting problems when doing the kernel/user space 
> > hazard shuffle.  Its really hard to describe the problems as they are
> > not deterministic:  sometimes the right thing happens, other times 
> > I get restricted instruction exceptions...  Both of these can happen on
> > the very same kernel binary...
>
>        What sort of system are you using, and what is the hardware 
>configuration (including caches)?  

Its an NEC 5074 development board with an VR5000 --
	32K  I  and 32K  D Primary cache
	no secondary cache.  

which vec0 code should I be using?  

NEC seems to have a bunch of errata and hazards in this part when 
dealing with TLBWR and friends...  Is any of the existing code supposed
to respect these?

Also, arch/mips/Makefile makes the compiler use -r8000 -mips2, is 
that right?

...robert


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Are there any other schedulers (fairshare, gang, etc.) available for
linux, other than the standard sched.c that comes with the kernel?  IHAC
who is asking about the availability of Fairshare.  If its not
available, what is?

Thanks,
Wayne

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On Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 02:32:31PM -0700, Robert Keller wrote:

> At 10:56 AM 6/2/99 -0700, William J. Earl wrote:
> >Robert Keller writes:
> > > At 12:46 AM 5/28/99 +0200, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> > > >The R5000 is supported and known to work.  You happen to have a
> > > >second level cache on that board?
> > > 
> > > how convinced are people that the VR5000 is supported?  I'm running
> > > the latest code off the linux.sgi.com cvs server and I'm getting *very*
> > > weird page faulting problems when doing the kernel/user space 
> > > hazard shuffle.  Its really hard to describe the problems as they are
> > > not deterministic:  sometimes the right thing happens, other times 
> > > I get restricted instruction exceptions...  Both of these can happen on
> > > the very same kernel binary...
> >
> >        What sort of system are you using, and what is the hardware 
> >configuration (including caches)?  
> 
> Its an NEC 5074 development board with an VR5000 --
> 	32K  I  and 32K  D Primary cache
> 	no secondary cache.  
> 
> which vec0 code should I be using?  

Like R4k.

> NEC seems to have a bunch of errata and hazards in this part when 
> dealing with TLBWR and friends...  Is any of the existing code supposed
> to respect these?

I don't have the errata at hand but as I remember we deal correctly with
all the cache and TLB errata documented by IDT/QED.  Otherwise for
shure Linux wouldn't run on my R5k Indy.

Is NEC's VR5000 different from the IDT/QED version?

> Also, arch/mips/Makefile makes the compiler use -r8000 -mips2, is 
> that right?

Yes.

  Ralf

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On Wed, Jun 02, 1999, on the sgi-linux mailing list, Wayne Vieira wrote:
> 
> Are there any other schedulers (fairshare, gang, etc.) available for
> linux, other than the standard sched.c that comes with the kernel?  IHAC
> who is asking about the availability of Fairshare.  If its not
> available, what is?

There's not much out there as far as production-level stuff.  There's
a fair number of research-type projects out there.  For a class, I and
another student did the work available at
http://pirx.candyland.cx/~adisaacs/cs520/lottery.patch.txt

It's not actually usable in a production context (I don't use it, for
example) but it's a reasonable proof of concept.  I'd be glad to
answer any questions... I might even be able to dig up some of our
documentation if there's demand.

(BTW, I just started at SGI Eagan this week.)

-andy
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Here is the latest patch for the Indigo2, it looks good so far...
Things still left to do:
	allow 8254 timer acks (it actually works on the Indigo2)
	clean up IRQ data structure
	enable 2nd SCSI controller

I am going to work on these once I get back from USENIX.	

-Andrew

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On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Andrew R. Baker wrote:
> 
> Here is the latest patch for the Indigo2, it looks good so far...
> Things still left to do:
> 	allow 8254 timer acks (it actually works on the Indigo2)
> 	clean up IRQ data structure
> 	enable 2nd SCSI controller
> 
> I am going to work on these once I get back from USENIX.	


BTW, with this patch, I have managed to successfully boot my Indigo2 and
have gone as far as installing hardhat on it.  It hasn't crashed so far,
even after I got it up to a load average of 164... ;)  However, I do
consistently get "signal 11" errors while trying to compile a kernel on
it.

Please beat it up as much as possible and let me know what I still need to
do.  ;)

-Andrew


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Hi,

I've messed-up the information in my dallas timekeeper.
My eaddr is now ff:ff:ff:ff. Which, of course, won't do much anymore.
I was wondering if it is possible to write a new mac adres into the
timekeeper (it's just a static ram)
with linux? (under irix it won't work).

Has anyone ever tried this, or know why it should/shouldn't work ?

Richard


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Is linus offline or has he gone over to the NT side of the organization?  I
can't get through.

Thanks,

Mike

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Mike Hill wrote:
> 
> Is linus offline or has he gone over to the NT side of the organization?  I
> can't get through.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike

The machine appears to be down, I'm working on getting it on-line again.

Nancy
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www.linux.sgi.com is alive again.

Nancy
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Nancy Bigham wrote:

> Mike Hill wrote:
> >
> > Is linus offline or has he gone over to the NT side of the organization?  I
> > can't get through.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
>
> The machine appears to be down, I'm working on getting it on-line again.

Why not get someone to host a mirrorsite that's got a decent uptime :). (I know
someone :)).

Richard


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hey crew.

Working on a Cobalt box, I notice that gcc compiles EVERYTHING as if
-fPIC has been requested.

1) Why?
2) Can this be changed?
3) Should this be changed?
4) How?
5) What effects would it have?

I have never seen ld complain about linking PIC and non-PIC code
before...

Thanks (pardon my ignorance - I am 4 days old with MIPS  Linux :)

Tim


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Greetings, all. I know this is probably premature, but when the O2 port gets
going, I just want y'all to know I have an O2 machine here which is ready to
be exploited.  Thx.

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Hi,

I have had problems with the CVS server at linus.linux.sgi.com now for some
time:

	$ export CVS_RSH=ssh
	$ export CVSROOT="linus.linux.sgi.com:/src/cvs"
	$ cvs commit tm-linux.h
	bash: cvs: command not found
	cvs [commit aborted]: end of file from server (consult above message if any)

It looks like /usr/local/bin/cvs isn't in the path or something. Can someone
please confirm this problem or fix it?

- Ulf

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Just that you're not thinking I'm dead - I've just upgraded the
kernel to 2.2.9.  I'm now working on the 2.3 patches  and will check
that into the CVS at the next opportunity.

  Ralf

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On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Richard Hartensveld wrote:

> Why not get someone to host a mirrorsite that's got a decent uptime :). (I know
> someone :)).

I still need to patch wuftpd, but in a few days I'll have a mirror up.
(Ariel and I spoke about this before, but I've been out of town for a
while).

Charles Lepple
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Hi,

I'm trying to build the 2.2.1 kernel with sound support enabled and i get
the following warnings:

sound_firmware.c: In function `do_mod_firmware_load':
sound_firmware.c:23: warning: implicit declaration of function `lseek'
sound_firmware.c:38: warning: implicit declaration of function `read'

and then during the final link:

drivers/sound/sound.a(sound_firmware.o): In function `do_mod_firmware_load':
sound_firmware.c(.text+0x84): undefined reference to `lseek'
sound_firmware.c(.text+0x84): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 lseek
sound_firmware.c(.text+0xc4): undefined reference to `lseek'
sound_firmware.c(.text+0xc4): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 lseek
sound_firmware.c(.text+0xfc): undefined reference to `read'
sound_firmware.c(.text+0xfc): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 read
make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1

I can compile OK with/without modules and sound disabled.

Is this fixed in the 2.2.9 kernel and if so will an archive of 2.2.9 be made
available on linus? (I don't have CVS access from my development box at the
moment).

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Andy

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Hi Ulf,

This is only a month late, but the sound driver installation went without a
hitch, precisely according to your instructions.  I fired up the Indy last
night using the latest sound kernel and played an .mp3 file using mpg123.

One thing I noticed was the absence of the occasional skips I've experienced
in recent years playing CDs under IRIX 6.2.  I don't know if this can be
attributed to a larger OS or my '94-vintage single-speed SGI-enabled CD
drive, but it's not something I recall happening under IRIX 5.2.  (I guess
5.2 was less taxing on 32 M RAM.)

In an aside, Tux displays brilliantly at bootup on my 8-bit Newport.

Regards,

Mike

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Mike,

> This is only a month late, but the sound driver installation went without a
> hitch, precisely according to your instructions. I fired up the Indy last
> night using the latest sound kernel and played an .mp3 file using mpg123.

Better late than never. Great news!

> One thing I noticed was the absence of the occasional skips I've experienced
> in recent years playing CDs under IRIX 6.2.  I don't know if this can be
> attributed to a larger OS or my '94-vintage single-speed SGI-enabled CD
> drive, but it's not something I recall happening under IRIX 5.2.  (I guess
> 5.2 was less taxing on 32 M RAM.)

We beat IRIX, that sound great to me ;-)

I'm interested in how this CD playback works. Does it read raw data from the CD
drive and just play it on the HAL2 or are there some other and smarter ways of
doing it? I have a half-broken SCSI CD player here (which I'm currently only
using to raise my monitor some inches from the desk). Is it possible to read raw
data from an audio CD?

- Ulf

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Ulf Carlsson wrote: 
|  We beat IRIX, that sound great to me ;-)

The singlespeed cdrom drive was very touchy; it was the first generation
drive to support audio data over scsi.  It's unlikely to be a RAM limitation,
but who knows, at this point...

|  I'm interested in how this CD playback works. Does it read raw data from the CD
|  drive and just play it on the HAL2 or are there some other and smarter ways of

It reads the audio data over scsi, converts it if needed, and sends it
through the audio system.


Dave Olson, Silicon Graphics
http://reality.sgi.com/olson   olson@sgi.com

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In message <37603CAB.8094D1CD@cobaltnet.com> TIm Hockin writes:
: Thanks (pardon my ignorance - I am 4 days old with MIPS  Linux :)

The MIPS ABI requires this.

Warner

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I've just commited Linux 2.2.8 into the CVS archive.  Once this is
finished I'll create a branch named linux_2_2 for the 2.2 development
in the archive.  If you just do ``cvs update'' you'll stay on the
mainline of the development, that is 2.3.  If you want to work with
the 2.2 sources then you'll have to add the option ``-r linux_2_2''
to your next cvs update or cvs co command.

I'm already running 2.2.9 and 2.3.1 on my Indy but the checkin is that
slow that I won't commit these versions into the CVS archive now.

  Ralf

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On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 06:55:23PM +0200, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> I've just commited Linux 2.2.8 into the CVS archive.  Once this is
> finished I'll create a branch named linux_2_2 for the 2.2 development
> in the archive.  If you just do ``cvs update'' you'll stay on the
> mainline of the development, that is 2.3.  If you want to work with
> the 2.2 sources then you'll have to add the option ``-r linux_2_2''
> to your next cvs update or cvs co command.
> 
> I'm already running 2.2.9 and 2.3.1 on my Indy but the checkin is that
> slow that I won't commit these versions into the CVS archive now.

I would appreciate if it was possible to continue using 32 bit code on the Indy,
even if you add 64 bit code. Maybe we can add it as an option in the kernel
configuration scripts?

- Ulf

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On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:42:55AM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote:

> I have had problems with the CVS server at linus.linux.sgi.com now for some
> time:
> 
> 	$ export CVS_RSH=ssh
> 	$ export CVSROOT="linus.linux.sgi.com:/src/cvs"
> 	$ cvs commit tm-linux.h
> 	bash: cvs: command not found
> 	cvs [commit aborted]: end of file from server (consult above message if any)
> 
> It looks like /usr/local/bin/cvs isn't in the path or something. Can someone
> please confirm this problem or fix it?

Sorry, I broke it when cleaning the shell initialization files.  It
seems that when logging on over ssh /usr/freeware/bin/bash will
ignore all startup files, therefore $PATH will not be initialized.
Glued by initializing them in /etc/defaults/login.

  Ralf

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On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 08:31:40PM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 06:55:23PM +0200, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> > I've just commited Linux 2.2.8 into the CVS archive.  Once this is
> > finished I'll create a branch named linux_2_2 for the 2.2 development
> > in the archive.  If you just do ``cvs update'' you'll stay on the
> > mainline of the development, that is 2.3.  If you want to work with
> > the 2.2 sources then you'll have to add the option ``-r linux_2_2''
> > to your next cvs update or cvs co command.
> > 
> > I'm already running 2.2.9 and 2.3.1 on my Indy but the checkin is that
> > slow that I won't commit these versions into the CVS archive now.
> 
> I would appreciate if it was possible to continue using 32 bit code on the Indy,
> even if you add 64 bit code. Maybe we can add it as an option in the kernel
> configuration scripts?

I'll implement MIPS64 as a new architecture just like sparc64 is different
from sparc.  The changes are too big and I finally want to use the
freedem to use all the tricks in the box.  It also means that we'll have
some more of a maintenance pain for the common code for mips and mips64.

  Ralf

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As of last night I have compiled a version of the X VNC server to run
under hardhat-5.1 ....

I have been able to connect VNC viewers (on my PCs, my macs, my palm
pilot, even my amiga!) to the SGIs and use the SGI box to run X
clients...

Although I have it compiled here, the school won't let me put up anon
ftp to host this file... Is there somewhere I can upload the bin
tarball??

I will have a VNC-HOWTO as well as source code posted shortly... I am
in finals and time is scarce....

btw, how well is native IRIX binary loading supported? I wish to run a
copy of BMRT on my farm of indy's under linux, but it won't let me
execute any of the binaries (they're R4000 optimised old style linkage
bins)....

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On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 09:37:23PM -0700, digital convergence wrote:

> btw, how well is native IRIX binary loading supported? I wish to run a
> copy of BMRT on my farm of indy's under linux, but it won't let me
> execute any of the binaries (they're R4000 optimised old style linkage
> bins)....

Only a limited number of syscalls and other interfaces is supported at
all and I haven't received any reports about the IRIX compatibility
stuff in ages.  Anybody interested in maintaining this facility?

  Ralf

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I don't know if this is the right place for it, but I have a spare Indigo2
box with extra disk and a monitor.  I know somebody's working on an Indigo2
port--I can offer my hardware as a test bed?


Jesse MacNish
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Hi there,

I'm trying to compile a threaded program on my LindyX and I ran in the
following known bug :

30-[diags](~/test) > cc -o thread thread.c -D_REENTRANT -lpthread
/usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_accept'
/usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_send'
/usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_recvfrom'
/usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_recvmsg'
/usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_sendmsg'
/usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_recv'
/usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_sendto'
/usr/lib/libpthread.so: undefined reference to `__libc_connect'

Looks like the answer would be to have "more recent libc versions as you have
installed." [Ralf, 10 Feb 1999]. But no way to get a hand on the desired
rpm/binary/source  on ftp.linux.sgi.com.

Is there a sgi-linux thread-ok glibc somewhere ?

What would be the sgi-linux thread-ok glibc version ?

Thanks in advance,

Y.

PS: Great porting job ! Cool to see an Indy running something else than Irix.


cpu                     : MIPS
cpu model               : R4600 V1.0
system type             : SGI Indy
BogoMIPS                : 99.94
byteorder               : big endian
unaligned accesses      : 0
wait instruction        : yes
microsecond timers      : no
extra interrupt vector  : no
hardware watchpoint     : no
VCED exceptions         : not available
VCEI exceptions         : not available

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Sorry, this looks familiar.  Here's what I get in my serial console:

PROMLIB: Total free ram 65839104 bytes (64296K,62MB)
CPU: MIPS-R4000 FPU<MIPS-R4000FPC> ICACHE DCACHE SCACHE 
Loading R4000 MMU routines.
CPU revision is: 00000430
Primary instruction cache 8kb, linesize 16 bytes)
Primary data cache 8kb, linesize 16 bytes)
Secondary cache sized at 1024K linesize 128
Linux version 2.2.1 (root@binkley) (gcc version egcs-2.90.27 980315
(egcs-1.0.2 release)) #4 Wed Jun 16 22:03:59 EDT 1999
MC: SGI memory controller Revision 3
calculating r4koff... 0007a203(500227)
Console: colour dummy device 80x25
zs0: console input
Console: ttyS0 (Zilog8530)
Calibrating delay loop... 49.87 BogoMIPS
Memory: 60952k/196140k available (1120k kernel code, 2188k data)
Checking for 'wait' instruction...  unavailable.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
Starting kswapd v 1.5 
SGI Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.00
tty00 at 0xbfbd9830 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530
tty01 at 0xbfbd9838 (irq = 21) is a Zilog8530
DS1286 Real Time Clock Driver v1.0
streamable misc devices registered (keyb:150, gfx:148)
RAM disk driver initialized:  16 RAM disks of 4096K size
loop: registered device at major 7
wd33c93-0: chip=WD33c93B/13 no_sync=0xff no_dma=0 debug_flags=0x00
           setup_args=,,,,,,,,,
           Version 1.25 - 09/Jul/1997, Compiled Jun 16 1999 at 22:16:18
scsi0 : SGI WD93
scsi : 1 host.
 sending SDTR 0103013f0csync_xfer=2c  Vendor: SGI       Model: SEAGATE
ST31200N  Rev: 9278
  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 2077833 [1014 MB] [1.0 GB]
sgiseeq.c: David S. Miller (dm@engr.sgi.com)
eth0: SGI Seeq8003 08:00:69:07:c9:47 
IP-Config: Got BOOTP answer from 192.168.1.6, my address is 192.168.1.95
Partition check:
 sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 sda5 sda6
Looking up port of RPC 100003/2 on 192.168.1.6
Looking up port of RPC 100005/1 on 192.168.1.6
Root-NFS: Server returned error -13 while mounting /usr/src/installfs
VFS: Unable to mount root fs via NFS, trying floppy.
request_module[block-major-2]: Root fs not mounted
VFS: Cannot open root device 02:00
Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 02:00
Oops: 0000
$0 : 00000000 1004fc01 00000001 00000001
$4 : 8812f604 00000000 00000000 00000000
$8 : 1004fc00 1000001f 1004fc01 00000000
$12: 881101a0 00000030 00000000 abf3b000
$16: 88159fa0 8833fe30 8800a2a0 8bfff938
$20: a8747590 9fc4a744 00000000 9fc4a744
$24: 00000000 00000000
$28: 8833e000 8833fe10 9fc4a88c 880f57b4
epc   : 880f51f8
Status: 1004fc02
Cause : 00000808
Process swapper (pid: 1, stackpage=8833e000)
Stack: 9fc4a88c 880f510c 0000000a 0000013d 20000800 8bf27000 880f57b4
880f5780
       1004fc01 00000000 881101a0 00000030 00000000 abf3b000 00000000
1004fc01
       00000000 8812fc9c 8814f7cc 00000000 1004fc01 1004fc00 0000fc00
ffff00ff
       1004fc01 00000000 881101a0 00000030 00000000 abf3b000 00000000
8bf27000
       8800a2a0 8bfff938 a8747590 9fc4a744 00000000 9fc4a744 00000000
00000000
       00000037 ...
Call Trace: [<880f510c>] [<880f57b4>] [<880f5780>] [<881101a0>] [<881101a0>]
[<8800a2a0>] [<8802952c>] [<880295d4>] [<880f9270>] [<880fb690>]
[<8800a2a0>] [<880f15b0>] [<8800a2a0>] [<8800a2a0>] [<8800a2b0>]
[<88029c0c>] [<880f6778>] [<8800ff6c>] [<8800ff5c>]
Code: 24630001  ac820078  ae030000 <8ce50010> 8ce20000  00c02021  0040f809
02203021  8e020000 
Aiee, killing interrupt handler



...and here's the hinv output:

Iris Audio Processor: version A2 revision 1.1.0
1 100 MHZ IP22 Processor
FPU: MIPS R4000 Floating Point Coprocessor Revision: 0.0
CPU: MIPS R4000 Processor Chip Revision: 3.0
On-board serial ports: 2
On-board bi-directional parallel port
Data cache size: 8 Kbytes
Instruction cache size: 8 Kbytes
Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte on Processor 0
Main memory size: 64 Mbytes
EISA bus: adapter 0
Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1
Integral SCSI controller 1: Version WD33C93B, revision D
Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision D
  Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0
Graphics board: GR3-XZ


My external hard drive doesn't seem to be detected (but that's okay, IRIX
doesn't like it either).

Mike

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On Thu, Jun 17, 1999 at 02:39:40PM -0400, Mike Hill wrote:
> Sorry, this looks familiar.  Here's what I get in my serial console:

do you think so ?

> Root-NFS: Server returned error -13 while mounting /usr/src/installfs
> VFS: Unable to mount root fs via NFS, trying floppy.

your Indigo isn't able to mount the NFS root. According to linux/nfs.h
the error is NFSERR_ACCES.

> request_module[block-major-2]: Root fs not mounted

so it tries to use the floppy drive. But since there is no driver in the
kernel, it tries to load the module for it, which fails.

> VFS: Cannot open root device 02:00
> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 02:00

no root filesystem, no fun.

Or do I miss something ?

Thomas.

-- 
   This device has completely bogus header. Compaq scores again :-|
It's a host bridge, but it should be called ghost bridge instead ;^)
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On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Mike Hill wrote:
> Sorry, this looks familiar.  Here's what I get in my serial console:
> 
[lots of stuff that looks OK clipped]
> Root-NFS: Server returned error -13 while mounting /usr/src/installfs
> VFS: Unable to mount root fs via NFS, trying floppy.

This is the only problem, which points back to an error on the NFS server
that is giving out the root filesystem.  I get a similar error on my
Indigo2 at home, but not on the one I have in my office.  I am planning on
upgrading my home bootp/root NFS server to see if that makes it go away.
I haven't found any details on the specific NFS errors though, so I can't
intepret it for you.

[more stuff clipped]

> My external hard drive doesn't seem to be detected (but that's okay, IRIX
> doesn't like it either).

This is on my todo list.  The SCSI driver only detects one (the internal)
controller.  This is fine and dandy on the Indy 'cause it only has one
SCSI controller.  The Indigo2 has two, so the driver needs to be modified
to detect (and access) the second one.  I plan on doing this as soon as I
get my home box up and running.

-Andrew


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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Thomas Bogendoerfer [SMTP:tsbogend@alpha.franken.de]
> Sent:	Thursday, June 17, 1999 3:23 PM
> To:	Mike Hill; linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com
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> 
> On Thu, Jun 17, 1999 at 02:39:40PM -0400, Mike Hill wrote:
> > Sorry, this looks familiar.  Here's what I get in my serial console:
> 
> do you think so ?
> 
I found similar messages in the list archive, one from Chad (on his Indy)
and one from Andrew, but no specific conclusions.  Thanks for the
interpretation. 

Mike

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Therefore if I were to connect my Indy Linux drive internally in the
Indigo2, I might be able to boot the kernel locally?

Thanks,

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Andrew R. Baker [SMTP:andrewb@uab.edu]
> Sent:	Thursday, June 17, 1999 3:54 PM
> To:	Mike Hill
> Cc:	linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com
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> 
> This is on my todo list.  The SCSI driver only detects one (the internal)
> controller.  This is fine and dandy on the Indy 'cause it only has one
> SCSI controller.  The Indigo2 has two, so the driver needs to be modified
> to detect (and access) the second one.  I plan on doing this as soon as I
> get my home box up and running.
> 
> -Andrew

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Hi,

I've uploaded new patches to build native and cross binutils and compilers
for mips-linux and mipsel-linux targets for Linux/MIPS on ftp.linux.sgi.com
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  /pub/linux/src/binutils/binutils-2.8.1-2.diff.gz
  /pub/linux/src/egcs/egcs-1.0.3a-1.diff.gz

Please report problems with these patches to ralf@uni-koblenz.de.

The MD5 checksums are:

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Could people crosscompiling the kernel under IRIX 6.5.1 on a Origin 200
or similar configurations please contact me?  I have to solve a
crossbuild problem.

  Ralf

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Hi All,

I have an Indy running IRIX 6.5.3 can anyone tell me what i need to set this
up for xcompiling using gcc or ecgs?

What IRIX libraries etc do i need, I don't have access to a licence for the
sgi compiler so i must use gcc/egcs.

Thanks
Andy



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Hi,

The compiler may stop working sometimes on certain files, giving bogus error
messages which I don't understand (the compiler is probably not the only
application affected).  Running this program I just wrote forces the corrupted
caches to be flushed or something and ``fixes'' the problems:

int main(void)
{
	unsigned long tot = 0;
	unsigned long i = 1 << 20;
	void *p;
	int failures = 0;

	while (i) {
		p = malloc(i);
		if (!p) {
			if (failures++ < 10)
				continue;
			i = i >> 1;
			failures = 0;
			continue;
		}
		memset(p, 0, i);
		tot += i;
	}
	printf("Total memory set: %u kb\n", tot >> 10);
}

Maybe I should put this in my crontab along with sync :-)

Does anyone else notice these problems?

- Ulf

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On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 03:21:45PM +0200, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 03:29:00AM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote:
> 
> > This is *really* annoying, I can't do anything without getting interrupted
> > by some bug on the Indy.  I can't stand this file corruption.  I just lost
> > an entire directory.  This isn't because of crashes, stuff just vanish, or
> > gets corrupted without any reason.  I for example had a gzipped patch, I
> > decompressed it and I got a lot of junk in the middle of the file.
> 
> Question, is this effect repeatable, that is if you decompress the file a
> second time, will you still see the filesystem corruption?  The latter would
> mean that the data decompressed data get corrupted on the fly and the SCSI
> driver isn't involved.  Or does the gzip'ed file itself already contain the
> corrupted data?

Since the file is decompressed without warnings I assume that the scp went fine.
Anyhow, when I had decompressed the file I got corruption in the middle of the
patch.  The corruption affected only a couple of lines, 10 or so.

The problems I experience are not repeatable.  Everything went smooth after a
reboot.  I usually reboot the machine when it's messing with me, that helps.  At
least for a while.

> And under which kernel version did this start to happen?

2.2.1 I think.

> Could you resend me your hinv output?

Unfortunately I don't have IRIX.  However, I have a 133 MHz R4600 CPU with 512 k
board cache.  I have two 1 Gb SCSI driver connected.

> > Earlier today the cached version of /lib/libpam_misc.so.0.64 was corrupted
> > or something, and corrupted ELF headers were reported.  A reboot fixed that
> > one.
> 
> It seems that you observe similar problems like me.  For me however the
> problem has just vanished and was rare anyway.

They're rare for me as well, but I've had a couple in just a few days now.
Maybe the file corruption became heavier since 2.3.6?

> I understand that very well.  Btw, I started to store important stuff on NFS.

I can't stand NFS. Files, or entire directories vanish from ls, but I may still
open them if I specify their names directly.  I think I've been talking to you
about this before.

- Ulf

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Hi I was just having problems getting linux to boot on an Indy with a XZ
graphic card. I slaped a 8 bit Indy in and now it works great, got qmail
and named running, now the server is ready for real work.. When it'd boot
linux via bootp it would download the kernel via tftpd and then when it
would start loading the kernel it would print the letter 'n' then crash,
couldnt even move the mouse... unpluging the indy was the only way to
reboot. If anybody has any theories on what the problem could be please
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On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 01:49:23AM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote:

> > And under which kernel version did this start to happen?
> 
> 2.2.1 I think.

Are you shure?  The problem Alan is tracking started to hit from 2.2.7 on.
If 2.2.1 already starts making these kind of troubles then we probably
track two different problems.

> Unfortunately I don't have IRIX.  However, I have a 133 MHz R4600 CPU with 512 k
> board cache.  I have two 1 Gb SCSI driver connected.

Is this a low-mem configuration?  The problem Alan is tracking apparently
seems to hit low mem systems more often.

  Ralf

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On Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 04:31:18PM +0100, Andrew Linfoot wrote:

> I have an Indy running IRIX 6.5.3 can anyone tell me what i need to set this
> up for xcompiling using gcc or ecgs?

See the FAQ on http://www.linux.sgi.com/.

> What IRIX libraries etc do i need, I don't have access to a licence for the
> sgi compiler so i must use gcc/egcs.

Doesn't matter which compiler you use to build the crosscompiler.

  Ralf

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> > > And under which kernel version did this start to happen?
> > 
> > 2.2.1 I think.
> 
> Are you shure?  The problem Alan is tracking started to hit from 2.2.7 on.  If
> 2.2.1 already starts making these kind of troubles then we probably track two
> different problems.

Probably.  I have a new problem with the 2.3.8 kernel now as well:  Page->owner
becomes -1 at line 1218 in buffer.c, thus forcing an oops.  This happens when I
try to cat a couple of big files into a new file.  This is even reproduceable...

I get some error messages before the oops as well:

attempt to access beyond end of device
08:01: rw=0, want=122156967, limit=929559
attempt to access beyond end of device
08:01: rw=0, want=886680107, limit=929559

> > Unfortunately I don't have IRIX.  However, I have a 133 MHz R4600 CPU with
> > 512 k board cache.  I have two 1 Gb SCSI driver connected.
> 
> Is this a low-mem configuration?  The problem Alan is tracking apparently
> seems to hit low mem systems more often.

Not really, I have 128 Mb RAM, but no swap.

Regards,
Ulf

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I have been running 2.2.1 on my indy for about 3 weeks now and have
encountered problems like this,
in fact i am surprised at how stable the box is, i have been doing some
quite large builds of qt, kde and the like too. If this is reproducible then
i would be prepared to experiment on one of my boxes.

The only gripe i have is that the scsi driver breaks when i attach external
devices, any ideas?

Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralf Baechle <ralf@uni-koblenz.de>
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Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: File corruption


> On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 01:49:23AM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote:
>
> > > And under which kernel version did this start to happen?
> >
> > 2.2.1 I think.
>
> Are you shure?  The problem Alan is tracking started to hit from 2.2.7 on.
> If 2.2.1 already starts making these kind of troubles then we probably
> track two different problems.
>
> > Unfortunately I don't have IRIX.  However, I have a 133 MHz R4600 CPU
with 512 k
> > board cache.  I have two 1 Gb SCSI driver connected.
>
> Is this a low-mem configuration?  The problem Alan is tracking apparently
> seems to hit low mem systems more often.
>
>   Ralf
>


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On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 03:34:15PM +0100, Andrew Linfoot wrote:
> I have been running 2.2.1 on my indy for about 3 weeks now and have
> encountered problems like this, in fact i am surprised at how stable the box
> is, i have been doing some quite large builds of qt, kde and the like too. If
> this is reproducible then i would be prepared to experiment on one of my
> boxes.

It doesn't crash, only file corruption..

> The only gripe i have is that the scsi driver breaks when i attach external
> devices, any ideas?

I have file corruption without any external devices.  It looks like the problems
appear when more than one SCSI devices are present.  You only have one internal
SCSI drive, right?

Do you mind telling us more exactly what type of file corruption you suffer
from?  It would also help if you could attach an output from hinv, or just tell
us what hardware you have.

Regards,
Ulf

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On a couple of occasions i have lost entire directories but this was some
time ago
----- Original Message -----
From: Ulf Carlsson <ulfc@thepuffingroup.com>
To: Andrew Linfoot <andy@derfel99.freeserve.co.uk>
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> On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 03:34:15PM +0100, Andrew Linfoot wrote:
> > I have been running 2.2.1 on my indy for about 3 weeks now and have
> > encountered problems like this, in fact i am surprised at how stable the
box
> > is, i have been doing some quite large builds of qt, kde and the like
too. If
> > this is reproducible then i would be prepared to experiment on one of my
> > boxes.
I have had a couple of instances where i lost complete directories, but this
was during the first few days of running Linux on my box, i simply put it
down to operator error!
>
> It doesn't crash, only file corruption..
>
> > The only gripe i have is that the scsi driver breaks when i attach
external
> > devices, any ideas?
>
> I have file corruption without any external devices.  It looks like the
problems
> appear when more than one SCSI devices are present.  You only have one
internal
> SCSI drive, right?
2 drives - see below
If i attempt to attach an external device the system just hangs during scsi
initialisation. I think this is fixed in later kernels but i don't have cvs
up yet so i can't move past 2.2.1.
>
> Do you mind telling us more exactly what type of file corruption you
suffer
> from?  It would also help if you could attach an output from hinv, or just
tell
> us what hardware you have.
CPU: MIPS-R4400 FPU<MIPS-R4400FPC> ICACHE DCACHE SCACHE
Loading R4000 MMU routines.
CPU revision is: 00000450
Primary instruction cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes)
Primary data cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes)
Secondary cache sized at 1024K linesize 128
8-bit graphics
128MB RAM
sda 540MB with base IRIX
sdb 2GB with Linux.and swap

an interesting point here is that /proc/cpuinfo tells me i only have an
r4000!

Andy
>
> Regards,
> Ulf
>


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i have an r4400 revision 6 200mhz indy. i tried to get linux working at
about the time the 2.2.1 kernel was released, but it wouldn't go. any
chance i'd have better luck now?

-E

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On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 03:31:08PM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote:
> Probably.  I have a new problem with the 2.3.8 kernel now as well:  Page->owner
[...]
> I get some error messages before the oops as well:
> 
> attempt to access beyond end of device
> 08:01: rw=0, want=122156967, limit=929559
> attempt to access beyond end of device
> 08:01: rw=0, want=886680107, limit=929559

this seems to be a normal 2.3 error. At least I get this impression, when
reading the linux-kernel mailinglist.

Thomas.

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Could some of y'all try it out and make sure it doesn't break things?
It is needed before we can support the second SCSI controller on the
Indigo2.

-Andrew


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On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Andrew R. Baker wrote:
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> Could some of y'all try it out and make sure it doesn't break things?
> It is needed before we can support the second SCSI controller on the
> Indigo2.

And here is the message again, this time with the patch attached :)

-Andrew

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Hi All,

My situation:

DEC Alpha running NT and Internal modem
samba share on my indy source tree

I can connect to cvs@linus and do a cvs update. The problem is that samba or
cvs appears to be converting the files to the DOS CR/LF format! and then
everything breaks horribly.

How can i get around this?

Anyone got a script or something that will strip this crap out!


Andy

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On Sun, Jun 27, 1999 at 11:22:21PM +0100, Andrew Linfoot wrote:
> 
> DEC Alpha running NT and Internal modem
> samba share on my indy source tree
> 
> I can connect to cvs@linus and do a cvs update. The problem is that samba or
> cvs appears to be converting the files to the DOS CR/LF format! and then
> everything breaks horribly.
> 
> How can i get around this?

What CVS is doing is correct, it converts the files into what the local
system - the NT system - is using.
As a workaround try the keyword expansion mode -kb when checking out.
That will give you the original context of the server which happens to be
just right for your Indy.

> Anyone got a script or something that will strip this crap out!

Use find(1) and tr(1).  Or recode ...

  Ralf

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On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 03:34:15PM +0100, Andrew Linfoot wrote:

> I have been running 2.2.1 on my indy for about 3 weeks now and have
> encountered problems like this,
> in fact i am surprised at how stable the box is, i have been doing some
> quite large builds of qt, kde and the like too. If this is reproducible then
> i would be prepared to experiment on one of my boxes.
> 
> The only gripe i have is that the scsi driver breaks when i attach external
> devices, any ideas?

There is nothings special with external devices, so if they result in
crashes you should double check that cabeling and termination are ok.

  Ralf

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On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 06:11:52PM +0100, Andrew Linfoot wrote:

> CPU: MIPS-R4400 FPU<MIPS-R4400FPC> ICACHE DCACHE SCACHE

This is what the firmware detected.

> Loading R4000 MMU routines.

This will always say R4000 if it's a R4000 class CPU.

> CPU revision is: 00000450
> Primary instruction cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes)
> Primary data cache 16kb, linesize 16 bytes)
> Secondary cache sized at 1024K linesize 128

Which says that you have an R4400SC V5.0.

> an interesting point here is that /proc/cpuinfo tells me i only have an
> r4000!

Good spotting, the CPU detection code has a bug causes only V4 CPUs to be
detected as R4400.  The difference is just cosmetics; R4000 and R4400 are
almost the same.  Especially it's unrelated to the file corruption problem.

  Ralf

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On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 10:33:29AM -0700, Eric Melville wrote:

> i have an r4400 revision 6 200mhz indy. i tried to get linux working at
> about the time the 2.2.1 kernel was released, but it wouldn't go. any
> chance i'd have better luck now?

Yes, we've fixed a bug freeing memory used by the PROMs and I'm almost
certain that this bug caused your 6.0 machine to freeze.

Iff that still doesn't help, could you do some experiment for me?  I want
to know if the problem is really related to the CPU version 6.0 and you
seem to have multiple Indys.  Could just try and put the R4400 6.0 module
into the Indy which seems to be fine with Linux and report your findings?

(Swapping a CPU module is easy with Indys, SGI did nice work on that.)

  Ralf

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Hi,

  I am trying to install HardHat linux on an "Indy r5000", the SCSI disk
was blank and I was running into problems so I did a mkfs on it.  Now
the install script keeps asking me to initalize the drive.  I do not
have access to an Irix machine to repartation it or anything of the
such.  Any ideas?

-s


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Ralf Baechle writes:
 > On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 09:37:23PM -0700, digital convergence wrote:
 > 
 > > btw, how well is native IRIX binary loading supported? I wish to run a
 > > copy of BMRT on my farm of indy's under linux, but it won't let me
 > > execute any of the binaries (they're R4000 optimised old style linkage
 > > bins)....
 > 
 > Only a limited number of syscalls and other interfaces is supported at
 > all and I haven't received any reports about the IRIX compatibility
 > stuff in ages.  Anybody interested in maintaining this facility?

       IRIX 4.* binaries are COFF binaries, not ELF, and have a very
different ABI from IRIX 5.* binaries.  The present support is really
for IRIX 5 binaries, which are much closer in interface semantics to
Linux native binaries.

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Ulf Carlsson writes:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > The compiler may stop working sometimes on certain files, giving bogus error
 > messages which I don't understand (the compiler is probably not the only
 > application affected).  Running this program I just wrote forces the corrupted
 > caches to be flushed or something and ``fixes'' the problems:
...

      This problem sounds like a cache flushing problem.  Do you also
get SIGILL, SIGBUS, and SIGSEGV failures?  One possibility is that the icache
is not being flushed on a page fault, when a page is read in from disk,
and the icache still has old data in it.  This could lead to a cache line
of bogus instructions being executed.

      What model of CPU do you have in your machine?

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>  > The compiler may stop working sometimes on certain files, giving bogus
>  > error messages which I don't understand (the compiler is probably not the
>  > only application affected).  Running this program I just wrote forces the
>  > corrupted caches to be flushed or something and ``fixes'' the problems:
> ...
> 
>       This problem sounds like a cache flushing problem.  Do you also get
>       SIGILL, SIGBUS, and SIGSEGV failures?  One possibility is that the
>       icache is not being flushed on a page fault, when a page is read in from
>       disk, and the icache still has old data in it.  This could lead to a
>       cache line of bogus instructions being executed.

Sometimes when this happens I think I only get a SIGSEGV or a SIGBUS, otherwise
I get internal compiler errors.  It's hard to say since these problems are very
hard to reproduce, and I forget what happens from time to time.  I have
unfortunately not written down the results.  It sounds like this may be the
cause of the type of file corruption I have when only a little part of the file
is damaged (sounds like the problem covers both icache and dcache).  That type
of file corruption goes away after reboot.  I haven't had a chance to try this
with my discard-disk-cache program since this happens very seldom..

>       What model of CPU do you have in your machine?

I have a 133 MHz R4600 with 512kb board cache, 16kb dcache and 16kb icache.

Regards,
Ulf

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On Jun 29,  3:19pm, Shane W. wrote:
> Subject: IRIX Partations with HardHat Linux
> Hi,
>
>   I am trying to install HardHat linux on an "Indy r5000", the SCSI disk
> was blank and I was running into problems so I did a mkfs on it.  Now
> the install script keeps asking me to initalize the drive.  I do not
> have access to an Irix machine to repartation it or anything of the
> such.  Any ideas?
>

If you have an IRIX operating system CD available (must be marked with
"Contains installation tools"), you could boot the disk maint tool "fx" from
the CD.

Contact me directly if you have the CD (and CDROM player) and need specific
instructions on how to repartition.

-Roald



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I do have an IRIX CD-ROM, but I do not have a SCSI CD-ROM drive.  Am I out of
luck as far as installing SGI Linux goes?

-s


Roald Lygre wrote:

> On Jun 29,  3:19pm, Shane W. wrote:
> > Subject: IRIX Partations with HardHat Linux
> > Hi,
> >
> >   I am trying to install HardHat linux on an "Indy r5000", the SCSI disk
> > was blank and I was running into problems so I did a mkfs on it.  Now
> > the install script keeps asking me to initalize the drive.  I do not
> > have access to an Irix machine to repartation it or anything of the
> > such.  Any ideas?
> >
>
> If you have an IRIX operating system CD available (must be marked with
> "Contains installation tools"), you could boot the disk maint tool "fx" from
> the CD.
>
> Contact me directly if you have the CD (and CDROM player) and need specific
> instructions on how to repartition.
>
> -Roald
>
> --
>
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> | Email:   roald@sgi.com          Tlf:          +47 5184 3633 |
> | Addr:    St Olavsgt 9           Mobil:        +47 909 33 903|
> |          N-4004 Stavanger       VMail (SGI):  870-4679      |
> |          NORWAY                 VMail(ext):   67114679      |
> |                                                             |
> | SGI Norway's WWW Home Page: http://www.sgi.no               |
> ---------------------------------------------------------------

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On Jun 30, 14:22, "Shane W." wrote:
>I do have an IRIX CD-ROM, but I do not have a SCSI CD-ROM drive.  Am I out of
>luck as far as installing SGI Linux goes?

The Indy can access a CD-ROM drive on another host (it's via tftp when
from the PROM I believe).

-Tor

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On Jun 30, 14:33, "Roald Lygre" wrote:
>But you still need to be able to read the IRIX OS CD (it is in efs format). So
>you need the kernel that supports efs, as Dag pointed out.

I thought that was obvious :-)

-Tor

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Dag Bakke writes:
 > No, you're not. Install linux 2.2.7 (.9?) on any i386 and enable experimental
 > options and EFS.
 > 
 > Then you should be able to mount the CD on the linux-i386 box and set up tftp,
 > bootp and nfs for remote booting/installing. (You don't need nfs for booting
 > fx, though.)
 > Something for a rainy day....

Hmm, is there a FAQ on how to set up such an environment ? 

I've alreayd tried to boot/install from a remote mounted cdrom. This
always results in an error. Then I've tried to copy the Irix-CD to a
directory and install from this directory. I was able to invoke fx on
the Indy, but I was not able to proceed with the installation.

(During Linux/SGI install I made propably an error which results in a
corrupted Indy-filesystem - so I'm forced to reinstall Irix on my
Indy.)

//Tom


  

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On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Tom Woelfel wrote:

> Dag Bakke writes:
>  > No, you're not. Install linux 2.2.7 (.9?) on any i386 and enable experimental
>  > options and EFS.
>  > 
>  > Then you should be able to mount the CD on the linux-i386 box and set up tftp,
>  > bootp and nfs for remote booting/installing. (You don't need nfs for booting
>  > fx, though.)
>  > Something for a rainy day....
> 
> Hmm, is there a FAQ on how to set up such an environment ? 

my friend and I managed to upgrade Irix6.2 to Irix6.5 on a Indigo2 with no
CD-ROM this way.

It involved a Linux box with an early 2.3.x kernel on it [2.3.2 I think]
with efs support compiled it.

It took many hours of tweaking the booptab file and tftp, but finally we
got the SASH off the Irix CD to load, and eventually a miniroot.  

The one thing that really helped was putting the Debug Messages in bootp
up as high as possible, so you can see what files the SGI is requesting,
and then mess around with your bootp server until it gets the file it is
looking for.

I would be a bit more explicit but the final breakthrough was made late at
night after many, many, many randomly guessed attempts, and we were so
happy to get it working we were afraid to try and replicate it because we
never thought we'd figure it out again.

Vince

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Dag Bakke writes:
 > As I understand it, you only need to partition the disk with the SGI tools
 > (fx).
 > (If this is wrong, please feel free to correct me.)
 > Thus, you only need bootp and tftp to boot fx.

Yep. 

 > To boot fx on the Indy from the prom monitor (command monitor) enter:
 > setenv -p netaddr 123.456.789.123
 > boot -f bootp()remotemachine:/path/to/stand/fx.ARCS

After endeavouring with the bootp/tftp options for a couple of hours I
finally managed to get sash or fx loaded. But I've seen lot of
rejected requests during this session from the i386 server. But what's
the next step ? Do I have to change the bootfile-entry in bootptab to
point to the next requested file ? (Ooops, I'm at work - so I don't
have access to my Indy, but after partitioning the disk the Indy
requested something like sash(NN).)

I will try it once again and write down my experiences.

//Tom

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No, you're not. Install linux 2.2.7 (.9?) on any i386 and enable experimental
options and EFS.

Then you should be able to mount the CD on the linux-i386 box and set up tftp,
bootp and nfs for remote booting/installing. (You don't need nfs for booting
fx, though.)
Something for a rainy day....


Dag B


On Jun 30,  9:20, Shane W. wrote:
> Subject: Re: IRIX Partations with HardHat Linux
> I do have an IRIX CD-ROM, but I do not have a SCSI CD-ROM drive.  Am I out of
> luck as far as installing SGI Linux goes?
>
> -s
>
>
> Roald Lygre wrote:
>
> > On Jun 29,  3:19pm, Shane W. wrote:
> > > Subject: IRIX Partations with HardHat Linux
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >   I am trying to install HardHat linux on an "Indy r5000", the SCSI disk
> > > was blank and I was running into problems so I did a mkfs on it.  Now
> > > the install script keeps asking me to initalize the drive.  I do not
> > > have access to an Irix machine to repartation it or anything of the
> > > such.  Any ideas?
> > >
> >
> > If you have an IRIX operating system CD available (must be marked with
> > "Contains installation tools"), you could boot the disk maint tool "fx"
from
> > the CD.
> >
> > Contact me directly if you have the CD (and CDROM player) and need specific
> > instructions on how to repartition.
> >
> > -Roald
> >
> > --
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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>-- End of excerpt from Shane W.



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On Jun 30,  3:24pm, Tor Arntsen wrote:
> Subject: Re: IRIX Partations with HardHat Linux
> On Jun 30, 14:22, "Shane W." wrote:
> >I do have an IRIX CD-ROM, but I do not have a SCSI CD-ROM drive.  Am I out
of
> >luck as far as installing SGI Linux goes?
>
> The Indy can access a CD-ROM drive on another host (it's via tftp when
> from the PROM I believe).
>


But you still need to be able to read the IRIX OS CD (it is in efs format). So
you need the kernel that supports efs, as Dag pointed out.

-Roald



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As I understand it, you only need to partition the disk with the SGI tools
(fx).
(If this is wrong, please feel free to correct me.)
Thus, you only need bootp and tftp to boot fx.


I am sure there is a linux tftp and bootp howto somewehere. If not, please read
the man-pages and write the HOWTO afterwards.


To boot fx on the Indy from the prom monitor (command monitor) enter:
setenv -p netaddr 123.456.789.123
boot -f bootp()remotemachine:/path/to/stand/fx.ARCS

And please note that 'remotemachine' should be by name, not IPaddress. Please
avoid routers between client and server. (It is doable, but often requires more
work.) If the server uses a 'non-standard' (very narrow) netmask, you may have
to tweak the bootp-line somewhat. I don't remember the exact syntax. Let us
know if this becomes a problem.


Dag B


On Jun 30, 10:06, Vince Weaver wrote:
> Subject: Re: IRIX Partations with HardHat Linux
> On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Tom Woelfel wrote:
>
> > Dag Bakke writes:
> >  > No, you're not. Install linux 2.2.7 (.9?) on any i386 and enable
experimental
> >  > options and EFS.
> >  >
> >  > Then you should be able to mount the CD on the linux-i386 box and set up
tftp,
> >  > bootp and nfs for remote booting/installing. (You don't need nfs for
booting
> >  > fx, though.)
> >  > Something for a rainy day....
> >
> > Hmm, is there a FAQ on how to set up such an environment ?
>
> my friend and I managed to upgrade Irix6.2 to Irix6.5 on a Indigo2 with no
> CD-ROM this way.
>
> It involved a Linux box with an early 2.3.x kernel on it [2.3.2 I think]
> with efs support compiled it.
>
> It took many hours of tweaking the booptab file and tftp, but finally we
> got the SASH off the Irix CD to load, and eventually a miniroot.
>
> The one thing that really helped was putting the Debug Messages in bootp
> up as high as possible, so you can see what files the SGI is requesting,
> and then mess around with your bootp server until it gets the file it is
> looking for.
>
> I would be a bit more explicit but the final breakthrough was made late at
> night after many, many, many randomly guessed attempts, and we were so
> happy to get it working we were afraid to try and replicate it because we
> never thought we'd figure it out again.
>
> Vince
>
> ____________
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On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 03:25:00PM +0000, Dag Bakke wrote:
> No, you're not. Install linux 2.2.7 (.9?) on any i386 and enable experimental
> options and EFS.
> 
> Then you should be able to mount the CD on the linux-i386 box and set up tftp,
> bootp and nfs for remote booting/installing. (You don't need nfs for booting
> fx, though.)
> Something for a rainy day....

This would probably be much easier if you used the initrd stuff Thomas B.
recently wrote.  This is not tested, but I think it may work.  If it works you
may setup the initrd partition so that you have the tools you need to partition
the SCSI harddrive with a decent EFS disklabel (this partition is afterwards
appended on the end of the kernel).  I think Thomas has been working on a new
redhat installer using the initrd, but I doubt he finished it.

What's the current status?

Ulf

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Ulf Carlsson writes:
...
 > Sometimes when this happens I think I only get a SIGSEGV or a SIGBUS, otherwise
 > I get internal compiler errors.  It's hard to say since these problems are very
 > hard to reproduce, and I forget what happens from time to time.  I have
 > unfortunately not written down the results.  It sounds like this may be the
 > cause of the type of file corruption I have when only a little part of the file
 > is damaged (sounds like the problem covers both icache and dcache).  That type
 > of file corruption goes away after reboot.  I haven't had a chance to try this
 > with my discard-disk-cache program since this happens very seldom..
 > 
 > >       What model of CPU do you have in your machine?
 > 
 > I have a 133 MHz R4600 with 512kb board cache, 16kb dcache and 16kb icache.

     I have been looking at the fault handling and the cache flushing routines
for the R4600.  In do_no_page() in mm/memory.c, we have:

	flush_page_to_ram(page);

I don't see where any code invalidates the icache, which might have
cached lines from a previous incarnation of the page.
flush_page_to_ram(), for the R4600, essentially does a writeback of
the dcache, if I understand the code correctly.  I believe that an
icache invalidate is also needed, at least for executable pages
(including any page for which mprotect() with PROT_EXEC has been
called, not just for text pages from an executable file).  Also,
unless something has changed, my understanding is that conflicting
virtual aliases (in the dcache) are still possible, which will also
lead to data corruption when it happens.

     In particular, if process A mmaps a file page at virtual index
0 and process B happens to mmap the same file page at virtual index
1, they will in general corrupt each other's view of the data.

     There is a comment in memory.c that a non-present page shouldn't
be cached, but it is not yet clear to me that this is guaranteed for
the icache.  Also, the flush_page_to_ram() slows down processing on
machines which physical cache tags, for cases where the virtual
index used by the kernel and the virtual index used by the application
are the same.  It should have an extra argument of the intended user virtual
address, so that it can decide whether to flush or not on architectures
such as MIPS.

    Handling the virtual index conflicts requires dynamic ownership
switching (including cache flushing), which means that we have to record
those hardware-valid PTEs currently referencing the page, so that we can
invalidate the PTEs and flush the cache when a fault happens for a mapping
of a different color.  We could take a brute-force approach, and record
just one mapping, forcing a fault on each use of a different message,
which would allow us to keep the reverse map in an array parallel to mem_map,
or we could use some more complex structure to record mappings.  Also,
to reduce the frequency of conflicts, address assignment in do_mmap()
should take cache color into account on machines with virtually indexed
caches which lack hardware cache coherency (such as the R4000PC, R4600,
and R5000).

    

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Ralf Baechle writes:
...
 > >      In particular, if process A mmaps a file page at virtual index
 > > 0 and process B happens to mmap the same file page at virtual index
 > > 1, they will in general corrupt each other's view of the data.
 > 
 > Oh, the common case is either shared r/o mappings or SysV SHM which per
 > ABI is 64kb aligned, so the hairy case doesn't hit us.  Usually ...
 > 
 > Especially I don't see why anything should corrupt executable pages
 > which are r/o mapped.

     Suppose physical page X has been used as logical page 100 of executable
file ABC, and is then freed, but is still partially in the icache at 
virtual index 0.  Then suppose the page X is reused as logical page 200 of
executable DEF, at virtual index 0.  The writeback of the data cache is
good, but there are still cache lines from file ABC in the icache.  If
nothing flushes the icache (and there is no reason to flush the icache
when reusing a page for data), the icache will have stale data with respect
to the new identity of page X as logical page 200 of executable DEF.

     Also, if there are incompatible aliases for a page, and there are
dirty lines left in the cache when the mapping for, say, virtual index
1 is released, and then the mapping for virtual index 0 is also released,
and the page, which has KSEG0 virtual index 0 is used for I/O, the normal
flushing will flush only virtual index 0.  A later victim writeback of
the dirty lines for virtual index 1 will overwrite the new data with
stale data, even if the new data is instructions.  This case can apply
even if the one alias is a kernel KSEG0 alias and the other is a 
user alias.  For regular file I/O, this is not a problem, but it is a problem
with mmap(), particularly since Linux mmap() makes no attempt to keep multiple
mappings of the same page of a file color-congruent.  (mmap() addresses
are essentially arbitrary.)  

     The icache issue applies to all processors.  The dcache issue applies only
to the R4000PC, R4600, and R5000.

 > >      There is a comment in memory.c that a non-present page shouldn't
 > > be cached, but it is not yet clear to me that this is guaranteed for
 > > the icache.
 > 
 > Flushing the caches for pages which are being unmapped is done by
 > flush_cach_page and takes care of the VM_EXEC flag.
 > 
 > On exec, fork or exit we flush the entire cache so that problems shouldn't
 > hit us either.

      It is not clear this works as expected if the page is stolen by
vmscan.

 > Actually we're pretty generous with our cacheflushed, we flush more than we
 > should.

     Yes, but it is not clear that all paths are covered.

 > > Also, the flush_page_to_ram() slows down processing on
 > > machines which physical cache tags, for cases where the virtual
 > > index used by the kernel and the virtual index used by the application
 > > are the same.  It should have an extra argument of the intended user virtual
 > > address, so that it can decide whether to flush or not on architectures
 > > such as MIPS.
 > 
 > For R3000 and R6000 flush_page_to_ram() is a no-op, see arch/mips/mm/r2300.c
 > and arch/mips/mm/r6000.c.

    Yes, since those have write-through caches.  The icache
invalidation is still an issue, if there are any paths, such as
try_to_swap_out(), which break a virtual-to-physical mapping without
flushing the icache.

 > For virtual indexed CPUs something like change_page_colour(oldvaddr, newvaddr)
 > would usually do a more efficient job than always flushing the page to
 > memory especially when combined with an allocator which takes the vaddr where
 > the page will be mapped as a hint.

      Right.  Also, for IRIX and RISCos, I had mmap prefer an mmap
address for which color(address) == color(file_offset), so that
applications not using MAP_FIXED would always map a given file page at
the same virtual color, and I had the kernel use page_mapin() to make
a page addressable, so that I could have page_mapin() create a KSEG2
mapping of the appropriate color if it were different from the KSEG0
color of the page (for cases where the allocator could not allocate a
page with KSEG0 color to match the desired virtual color).
page_mapin() would of course return the KSEG0 address if the KSEG0
color matched the virtual color.  The color changing code is still
neaded to deal with MAP_FIXED and so on, but it is much less
performance-critical.

